From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #31 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Wednesday, June 4 1997 Volume 01 : Number 031 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:54:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: ??? from a newbie >At 06:26 PM 6/3/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Can I build one of these things without being an engineer, assuming that I >>am a competant builder. Mike had a lot of good points. A biggie is flying in one. There is a list of KRs around here somewhere. That way you can get a feel for the room available in a KR. Depending on your size, they can be a bit snug. This group of folks does have a lot of information...and the numerous web sites are great for helping you see how others built theirs. Help is just an email away. Let the list know where you are and they should be able to get you in touch with a KR builder and/or flier nearby. Ron Lee KR owner..Soon to be a KR taxier ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 23:40:15 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Janssen Craig) Subject: Re: KR: Deihl 30" Gear At 02:17 PM 6/3/97 -0700, you wrote: > I got a FAX from Dan Deihl today about the 30" gear for a tail dragger. He >said he would not make another one. "I made one no more". > "The gear legs for the KR2S are 24" long. Because of the 100 lbs. extra >weight of the Subaru, we don't recommend the Tri-Gear. Tail-dragger will >work fine". > I thought Dan was the one who first stetched the KR-2, but he says no. He >flys a stock KR-2 with a VW and says it flys great. "Keep it light and have >fun". > > > > David Moore > Hesperia,Calif. 92345 > Turnkey1@MSCOMM.COM I thought I had heard that Dan Diehl had sold his KR-2 a while back. Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 22:03:13 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Transponders (no archive) enewbold@sprynet.com wrote: > > >> Is that FAR on line somewhere so I can determine if not having a transponder > >> will really impact where I can go? For example, I beleive I would be > >> excluded from going into the Colorado Springs airport without one. (NO, I > >> don't know what letter it is. That is part of the relearning process I will > >> have to undertake once I start REAL flying again...especially x-country > >>flights) > > >Class A --> A = Airliner, Above 18,500 feet. IFR only > >Class B --> B = Busy. The old TCA areas such as LAX & Phoenix > >Class C --> C = Congested. Portland Oregon is Class C, but will probably > >be Class B. > >Class D --> D = Doghouse on airport... Operating Control Tower > > Let's see, Ross. Here's my rendition. I think we're pretty close on this one. > > Class A: IFR above 18,500. Airliners. (and Glasairs?) > Class B: The old TCA. LAX, BWI, etc. > Class C: The old ARSA. Was Co Springs an ARSA before? > Class D: Operating Control Tower. (with bathroom?) > Class E: Any airfield without a Control Tower. > Class F: (No such animal). > Class G: Uncontrolled airspace. > > Ed Newbold > Columbus, OH I'm assuming Operating Control Towers have bathrooms. Thanks for the post RE $595 Transponders. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 22:06:40 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Re: Scarf joint Donald Reid wrote: > > alan wrote: > > > > In fitting your Belly skins where did your Scarf joint fall. Mine will > > fall under the rear spar. Is this location ok? > > > > In certified wooden aircraft construction, the scarf joint must fall on a > reinforcement such as the 5/8" square spruce framework. An alternate > method that is not recommended but that is acceptable is to add a backing > plate that is the same thickness as the plywood being scarfed and extends > beyond the area of the scarf. > -- > Don Reid > donreid@erols.com This is correct, I believe my scarf on the belly plywood is at the cross member below and slightly aft of the rear spar, (if memory serves). I wasn't sure if the reinforcement was required, so I didn't say anything. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 01:04:33 -0400 (EDT) From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: KR: Old Dogs, New Tricks? >> > I really get a kick out of this! And to think it was done to eliminate >> > confusion! What the hell was wrong with TCA, ARSA, Control Zone and >> > Uncontrolled Airspace? I never had a problem with it! >> >> Now Mike, you know that it's not in a Fed's vested interest to simplify >> anything(witness the Federal Tax Code). Everything must remain complex >> to justify their existance. Hey, I'm a student pilot, and I never had to learn it the old way. In my opinion, "A, B, C, and D" are MUCH less confusing than " TCA, ARSA, Control Zone, and Uncontrolled Airspace." Just new, that's all. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 01:04:14 EDT From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E. Scott) Subject: KR: Latest project update Netheads and builders. Well, this eveing is one I have been anticipating for what seems like forever. After spending money like water for the past few months, and having nearly forgotten what my wife and kids look like (wander if the're still living here?) N1213W had it's FAA inspection and was issued it's Airworthiness Certificate this evening. The taxi testing program has been lagging due to some mechanical and handling difficulties, but all appears to be back on track to resume the taxi tests this weekend. If all goes well, it may also get to fly this weekend, but there is much to do before N1213W actually gets off the ground. - ---- Jeffrey Scott jscott.pilot@juno.com See construction of KR-2S N1213W at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html - ---- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 01:04:14 EDT From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E. Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Tiedown On Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:29:39 +0000 Robert Lasecki writes: >There is an excellent tiedown method shown in the Diehl wing construction >video which uses inexpensive boat fittings which are also lightweight. The >video shows how and where to put them. They bolt to the outer main spar >from the bottom between the last two vertical members. > >Bob Lasecki The reason for putting the tiedowns that far out on the spar is so they will be in the right area to match the tiedown anchors at most airports. Makes a nice fit. Jeff Scott >At 04:51 PM 6/3/97 +0000, you wrote: >> >>> Tell me, how does one tie down their KR. There doesen't seem >to be >>>any obvious tie down points. >>> >>> (Sorry if this is a silly question) :-O >>> >>> Dennis >> >>Hardly a silly question...jusr the wrong subject :) >> >>N133RM is tied down by wrapping a towel around the lower gear leg >then using >>rope around the towel. Tail tiedown around the spring/leaf assembly. >> >>There are probably better ways and I think if you look in the >archives you will >>find where some folks attached some sort of tiedown attached to the >main spar >>at an outboard point. >> >>Ron Lee >>(Hoping to start taxi tests soon!) >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 22:08:40 -0700 From: David Turley Subject: KR: Can I build one of these things? ABSOLUTELY! The greatest challenge is perseverence and patience! I too am a cabinet builder / wood worker (although I got out of woodworking a few years ago, and only do it for enjoyment now!). If you have questions or concerns this is a great place to get answers. Get Tony Bengelis' book on building light aircraft and read it from cover to cover. If it seems to make sense (and it will if you are used to building anything from wood) then building the aircraft will be your ultimate artistry in wood and composite design form! Ok, I'll try to stop sounding like an advertisement. If it is important to you, do it. Working out the technical details is half the fun. The other half is seeing your creation come to life and break the surly bonds of earth. Go for it. Dave > Can I build one of these things without being an engineer, assuming that I > am a competant builder. > > Thanks > > Bryce Kehoe - -- David Turley http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/5774/ (for Dave Raun's Horizon Pics) http://www2.tscnet.com/pages/daturley/ (for pics of my Horizon and Subaru EA-81 installation) mailto:daturley@tscnet.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 22:11:40 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Re:Tiedown ideas Dennis Ambrose wrote: > > Tell me, how does one tie down their KR. There doesen't seem to be > any obvious tie down points. > > (Sorry if this is a silly question) :-O > > DennisThis is not a silly question, I've been pondering it for about a year now... here are some ideas I've been tossing around: Tony Bengilis [sp?] covers this in his books. I plan to add some tiedown ring screw in attach points at the wing spar. This means cutting into the wing and epoxying an oak block with the nut floxed in place on the spar someplace. At this point this is my plan. Another option would be to construct some nylon webbing seat belt like straps that would go around the wing and pick up the tiedown hook/eyelet. However this would have to be done in such a way so as not to damage the aileron, perhaps a V shaped piece at the end to keep the ailerons from moving. Then again, some means to keep it from slipping off the wing? Hmmm. For the tailwheel, I'm thinking I can weld up or find a fixture to attach at the tail spring area. How do these ideas sound? - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 22:15:29 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Airspace Micheal Mims wrote: > > I really get a kick out of this! And to think it was done to eliminate > confusion! What the hell was wrong with TCA, ARSA, Control Zone and > Uncontrolled Airspace? I never had a problem with it! > My guess is that it was originally planned that all airspace would eventually be controlled, so they attached letters to everything. For example I wonder why I should care that the floor of class E airspace is 700AGL? If pilots are landing here in Corvallis under IFR, I don't plan on doing any VFR around. Plus sneeking around below the floor of an approach area doesn't make sense, why not just make it to the surface? - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 22:18:49 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Deihl 30" Gear David Moore wrote: > > I got a FAX from Dan Deihl today about the 30" gear for a tail dragger. He > said he would not make another one. "I made one no more". > "The gear legs for the KR2S are 24" long. Because of the 100 lbs. extra > weight of the Subaru, we don't recommend the Tri-Gear. Tail-dragger will > work fine". > I thought Dan was the one who first stetched the KR-2, but he says no. He > flys a stock KR-2 with a VW and says it flys great. "Keep it light and have > fun". > > David Moore > Hesperia,Calif. 92345 > Turnkey1@MSCOMM.COM The first stretched KR I saw was in Sport Aviation sometime betwen 1988 and 1990 titled "Irish KR". It used a D-Fly canopy and was stretched about 12-24" (I don't recall), shortly after that the KR2-S appeared and it looks a lot like the "Irish KR". I don't know if there is a relationship, but thats how I imagine it happened. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 01:14:25 EDT From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E. Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Deihl 30" Gear On Tue, 03 Jun 1997 23:40:15 -0500 ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Janssen Craig) writes: >At 02:17 PM 6/3/97 -0700, you wrote: >> I got a FAX from Dan Deihl today about the 30" gear for a tail dragger. He >>said he would not make another one. "I made one no more". >> "The gear legs for the KR2S are 24" long. Because of the 100 lbs. extra >>weight of the Subaru, we don't recommend the Tri-Gear. Tail-dragger will >>work fine". >> I thought Dan was the one who first stetched the KR-2, but he says no. He >>flys a stock KR-2 with a VW and says it flys great. "Keep it light and have >>fun". >> >> >> >> David Moore >> Hesperia,Calif. 92345 >> Turnkey1@MSCOMM.COM > >I thought I had heard that Dan Diehl had sold his KR-2 a while back. > >Ed Janssen I e-mailed one of Dan's employees to confirm that Dan had sold his plane as I had heard. He explained to me: Dan did sell his KR to a nearby friend and has access to fly it when he wants. Dan's (former) KR is a stock KR-2, except that it does have the Diehl wings (duh!) which are larger than the stock KR-2 wings and eventually became the design for the KR-2S wings. His plane has had a host of different engine configurations tested on it as well, but is back to a fairly standard VW configuration. - ---- Jeffrey Scott jscott.pilot@juno.com See construction of KR-2S N1213W at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html - ---- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 23:18:46 -0600 (MDT) From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Re:Tiedown ideas > Another option would be to construct some nylon webbing seat belt >like straps that would go around the wing and pick up the tiedown >hook/eyelet. However this would have to be done in such a way >so as not to damage the aileron, perhaps a V shaped piece at the >end to keep the ailerons from moving. Then again, some means to >keep it from slipping off the wing? Hmmm. > > For the tailwheel, I'm thinking I can weld up or find a fixture to >attach at the tail spring area. > > How do these ideas sound? >-- >Ross Youngblood My first impression of the webbing over the wing is not good. Not being an engineer I can still question whether that is adequate structurally. If you are interested, I will pass on a pic or web site that shows a retracting tiedown for a Long-EZ type aircraft. If such a tiedown were put on the end of the main spar such that the thin part of the piece is parellel to the flight path even if it deploys, the drag would be minimal. Otherwise, the drag would be close to zero. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 22:22:00 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: ??? from a newbie Bryce R. Kehoe wrote: > Can I build one of these things without being an engineer, assuming that I am a competant builder. > > Thanks > > Bryce Kehoe I think the answer is most definately yes. I would recommend you seek out your local EAA chapter and find a Technical Counselor who can help you through the rough spots. The KR has some voids in the manuals, so it's not a heathkit. (Heathkit actually sold a kitplane once.) I choose it myself as it was an ideal build as you can afford project. Unlike many other kits which often don't sell plans only versions. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 22:23:01 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: [Fwd: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Non-member submission from [Carlos Sa ]] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------3F8451FE5FF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From our Archiver... - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm - --------------3F8451FE5FF0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: owner-krnet-l@lists.teleport.com Received: (from daemon@localhost) by portia.teleport.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id QAA06243; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:40:46 -0700 (PDT) From: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199706032340.QAA06243@portia.teleport.com> To: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Non-member submission from [Carlos Sa ] X-UIDL: ec428a699a6965bdf9cb95fce3dd8af7 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 >From krnet-l-owner Tue Jun 3 16:40:44 1997 Received: from mail.axess.com (mail.axess.com [204.19.206.9]) by portia.teleport.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06238 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp-14.axess.com (ppp-14.axess.com [204.19.207.14]) by mail.axess.com (8.8.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id TAA31156 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:43:53 -0400 Received: by ppp-14.axess.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC7056.2F4E72E0@ppp-14.axess.com>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:41:52 -0400 Message-ID: <01BC7056.2F4E72E0@ppp-14.axess.com> From: Carlos Sa To: "'krnet'" Subject: KRnet * * * help wanted * * * Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:41:48 -0400 Encoding: 37 TEXT 'evening, folks. I am afraid I have bad news: I will not be able to continue performing the archiving function. Since many of you depend on the archives as a source of information, I think you deserve an explanation: Number one, I am embarking on a project with a friend. No, it is not a KR... but hopefully I will be a couple of dollars closer to it when I am done... That will be time consumuming, and the archiving will have to be put aside... The second reason is $, though I think we could figure a solution (we might have to, one way or the other). The traffic out of the KRnet pages has been * huge * for a humble site like mine: 500 MB/month. That translates into about $45/month, or around $500 / year. That sort of messes up my KR budget :o) !!! Of course this is not unique to my ISP, so we'll probably have to deal with the issue. I propose we find a new volunteer to keep the archives. He/she should *not* be a builder ;o)! I will supply all the knowledge needed (if any!), as well as the programs I created to sort the postings (REXX required!) and web pages. I will keep archiving postings for the next week or two, while we look for a new volunteer. Sorry for the inconvenience, folks. Regards Carlos - --------------3F8451FE5FF0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 23:21:23 -0600 (MDT) From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Latest project update At 01:04 97/6/04 EDT, you wrote: SNIP... N1213W had it's FAA inspection and was issued it's >Airworthiness Certificate this evening. YEA!!!!! >The taxi testing program has been lagging due to some mechanical and >handling difficulties, but all appears to be back on track to resume the >taxi tests this weekend. If all goes well, it may also get to fly this >weekend, but there is much to do before N1213W actually gets off the >ground. > Your baby will fly when the time is right. This weekend or next is not really important. Ron Lee >Jeffrey Scott jscott.pilot@juno.com >See construction of KR-2S N1213W at >http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html >---- > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 22:25:35 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Something to think about/(No Archive) Vince Bozik wrote: > > RE: Roman Horses AFT CG END I saw this one posted on KRNET about a year or so ago. It was funny. Guess why PCI specs are 33/66Mhz... cause thats how fast the testers could go when they were designed. I deal with a lot of specs like this... -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 22:36:50 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Latest project update Jeffrey E. Scott wrote: > > Netheads and builders. > > Well, this eveing is one I have been anticipating for what seems like > forever. After spending money like water for the past few months, and > having nearly forgotten what my wife and kids look like (wander if the're > still living here?) N1213W had it's FAA inspection and was issued it's > Airworthiness Certificate this evening. > CONGRATULATIONS!!!! TERRIFIC!!!! Now I've got to get goin! I recieved the paint. Thanks! Now I'm out of primer... Oh well Murphys law. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 22:41:40 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Re:Tiedown ideas Ron Lee wrote: > > My first impression of the webbing over the wing is not good. Not being > an engineer I can still question whether that is adequate structurally. I think that there are webbing materials available with high enough tensile strength to handle loads, is the concern over damage to the wing under load? Have you seen the stuff you can tow a car with? Tony Bengelis tiedown example is a removable tiedown eye that screws into a reinforced oak block which is attached to the spar. This is a good idea, just wish I'd thought of it before I glassed the wings. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 22:35:22 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Project update Well sports fans there is finally light at the end of the tunnel! The canopy frame is taking shape and most of the "major" glass work is finished! If you have been following my web site to see how the construction of the canopy is coming you will understand what I am talking about. With all the foam glassed on the inside and outside I cut a 45 degree angle right down the center (fore to aft) so that the door will be able to open and close properly. I glassed and floxed the 45 degree edge on the door a few nights ago and then sanded it to a nice smooth finish. Tonight I covered the 45 degree angle with duct tape to act as a release agent and re-mounted it (for the 155th time)!! I made sure it would open and close without rubbing or catching. I removed some of the foam on the top and bottom edges (just under the skin) and I applied a butt load of flox, I closed the door slowly and let all the excess squeeze out. I clamped the door shut and used my squeegee to remove and smooth out the excess. I made a duct tape dam to keep the flox from running out of the bottom by ripping a piece of duct tape in half (length wise) and sticking it in the center of a full size piece. What you end up with is a piece of 2 inch wide duct tape about 30 inches long with a 1 inch wide piece stuck to the center (sticky sides together) I wiped the inside of the door and canopy frame with a paper towel and stuck the duct tape dam over the joint with the 1 inch wide piece centered over the wet flox joint. Hopefully this will keep the flox from dripping out the bottom of the joint while it cures. After the flox settled in and started to fill all the voids I forced more flox in from the top using my squeegee. If this works I should have a perfect door sill with a .003 or .004 of a gap for silicone sealant. My biggest concern is that when I open the door, to much of the flox may stick to the duct tape and tear away from the urethane foam! Fingers are crossed!! Results and pictures tomorrow night! _______________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 22:42:09 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Latest project update At 01:04 AM 6/4/97 EDT, you wrote: If all goes well, it may also get to fly this weekend, but there is much to do before N1213W actually gets off the ground. > CONGRATS JEFF!!!! I will be out at Chino this weekend watching the guy who painted my friends Dragonfly do some touch up work, and yes I will be taking notes! Brads paint job gives the finish on my 96 GTi a run for its money!! If I can learn enough this weekend to paint half as well I will be pleased! Anyway I will be thinking about you and wishing you the best of luck! From what I understand it will be one of those days in your life that you will NEVER forget! _______________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 23:54:00 -0600 (MDT) From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Re:Tiedown ideas > I think that there are webbing materials available with high enough >tensile strength to handle loads, is the concern over damage to the >wing under load? Have you seen the stuff you can tow a car with? > I agree that the webbing you are thinking of...I use it to pull cars out of snow drifts.....is strong enough. The part of it that I am not sure about is the possibility of gamage to the wing. May NOT be a problem but just something to think of. Of course with the strap going over two structural pieces (main and aft spar), this may not be a problem. > Tony Bengelis tiedown example is a removable tiedown eye that >screws into a reinforced oak block which is attached to the spar. >This is a good idea, just wish I'd thought of it before I glassed >the wings. This sounds like a good idea. Ron >Ross Youngblood ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 23:05:08 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Project update Micheal Mims wrote: > > With all the foam glassed on the inside and outside I cut a 45 degree angle > right down the center (fore to aft) so that the door will be able to open > and close properly. I glassed and floxed the 45 degree edge on the door a > few nights ago and then sanded it to a nice smooth finish. Tonight I > covered the 45 degree angle with duct tape to act as a release agent and > re-mounted it (for the 155th time)!! I made sure it would open and close > without rubbing or catching. I removed some of the foam on the top and > bottom edges (just under the skin) and I applied a butt load of flox, I > closed the door slowly and let all the excess squeeze out. I clamped the > door shut and used my squeegee to remove and smooth out the excess. I made > a duct tape dam to keep the flox from running out of the bottom by ripping > a piece of duct tape in half (length wise) and sticking it in the center of > a full size piece. What you end up with is a piece of 2 inch wide duct > tape about 30 inches long with a 1 inch wide piece stuck to the center > (sticky sides together) I wiped the inside of the door and canopy frame > with a paper towel and stuck the duct tape dam over the joint with the 1 > inch wide piece centered over the wet flox joint. Hopefully this will keep > the flox from dripping out the bottom of the joint while it cures. After > the flox settled in and started to fill all the voids I forced more flox in > from the top using my squeegee. If this works I should have a perfect > door sill with a .003 or .004 of a gap for silicone sealant. My biggest > concern is that when I open the door, to much of the flox may stick to the > duct tape and tear away from the urethane foam! Fingers are crossed!! > Results and pictures tomorrow night! Mike, The duct tape should work pretty good. I used it as a release barrier for my forward deck, and applied lots of dry micro at the joint to get a good seal. The stuff released pretty well. I also used dry micro on my fwd deck at the canopy sill to try and fair that in. I haven't used it with flox, but I expect it will release OK. I had a scare when I just about microed my canopy closed a bit... just a minor sticking point. I checked out your webpage again. Love your paint scheme, I like this one much more than the others. I't gave me some ideas on what I want to do with my plane. I'm going to play with trying to "spray" paint colors on my digitized photos with some of this nifty software I have... if it will do it. Your website is AWESOME as always. Gives me somthing to aim for, besides the surface of my plane with a spray gun. I'm way behind on updating links etc... Oh well... first things first. -- Regards Ross - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 00:07:05 -0600 (MDT) From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Project update (no archive) At 22:35 97/6/03 -0700, you wrote: >Well sports fans there is finally light at the end of the tunnel! The >canopy frame is taking shape and most of the "major" glass work is finished! >If you have been following my web site to see how the construction of the >canopy is coming you will understand what I am talking about. SNIPPED STUFF What you end up with is a piece of 2 inch wide duct >tape about 30 inches long with a 1 inch wide piece stuck to the center >(sticky sides together) I wiped the inside of the door and canopy frame >with a paper towel and stuck the duct tape dam over the joint with the 1 >inch wide piece centered over the wet flox joint. Hopefully this will keep >the flox from dripping out the bottom of the joint while it cures. How did you apply the duct tape with the canopy closed? Ron > >Micheal Mims Remove (no archive) words in subject line in your reply. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 23:00:02 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re:Tiedown ideas At 11:18 PM 6/3/97 -0600, you wrote: >My first impression of the webbing over the wing is not good. Not being >an engineer I can still question whether that is adequate structurally. > >If you are interested, I will pass on a pic or web site that shows a >retracting tiedown for a Long-EZ type aircraft. If such a tiedown >were put on the end of the main spar such that the thin part of the piece >is parellel to the flight path even if it deploys, the drag would be >minimal. Otherwise, the drag would be close to zero. You could cold bend a piece of 1/8 inch 4130 to form an L shape, on the lower portion drill a hole and weld a nut and on the upper portion drill two 3/16 holes for mounting to the lower spar cap. You would mount it in such a way that the bottom of the L would be flush with the lower wing skin(see below). Before you glass the lower wing skin, fill the nut with putty and put a piece of duct tape over the opening, glass over the assembly. After the glass cures use your trusty Dremel tool to remove the skin that is over the duct tape, now you have a threaded hole that you can screw two eyebolts into when its time to tie down. This is pretty much how its done on the Dragonfly. ____ | | | | <--Spar |____| | | | | | ___ | | || < |----- -||D <--AN3 mounting bolt | || _ |____||__H__ <--4130 L bracket with welded nut _______________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 23:12:05 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Project update At 12:07 AM 6/4/97 -0600, you wrote: > What you end up with is a piece of 2 inch wide duct >>tape about 30 inches long with a 1 inch wide piece stuck to the center >>(sticky sides together) I wiped the inside of the door and canopy frame >>with a paper towel and stuck the duct tape dam over the joint with the 1 >>inch wide piece centered over the wet flox joint. Hopefully this will keep >>the flox from dripping out the bottom of the joint while it cures. > > How did you apply the duct tape with the canopy closed? > Gee man where have you been? I rolled down the window! :-) No actually its just a canopy frame, no windows or windshield installed. I was going to install the windows and windshield but decided to hold off a little longer to avoid scratches and to make access to the inside of the cockpit easier. _______________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 01:09:43 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Thermometer + Permanent Marker At 06:29 PM 6/1/97 -0600, you wrote: >Browsing Trade-A-Plane, I ran across a full page ad. >It seemed so sensible, I wanted homebuilders to know. > >It was headed, " How a Thermometer And A Permanent >Marker Can Keep Your Engine Running Longer". > Nobody will argue with THAT idea! > >Put your oil temp sender and a decent thermometer in a >steel can and heat it slowly. > Mark the pointer position in pencil as the thermometer > reads 180 degF on the way up and again as it cools. > Repeat this two or three times. > Then mark the gauge with the average position for 180degF in >permanent marker. > >Justification: the oil hot spot is about 50 deg higher than sump > temp in a normally aspirated engine, and 70 degF in a turbo. > Cruise below 180 indicated and the moisture doesn't blow off; >cruise above this and you get increased deposits and increased > wear ( it says here). > >Makes sense to me. >From Aeroshell. No relation. Bet ya sweet BP. > >Regards >brian whatcott Altus OK > Brian, I am not sure what you are trying to say. If 180 is degrees, then what oil temp is correct? Bobby Muse bmuse@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 01:09:45 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: KR CG Question At 11:20 PM 6/1/97 -0600, you wrote: >I just ran through some CG calculations on Marsh's KR and got >some interesting numbers. > >The empty CG is at 19.3 inches, where the 0.0 datum appears to >be the firewall. > >With one 170 lb pilot and 96 lbs of fuel, the cg is at 23.4". > >Two folks (340 lbs) and 20 lbs baggage plus 13 lbs fuel yields >a cg of 28.6" > >The allowable CG range is listed as 19.3 to 27.3" although most >people would have the aft limit at 25.3". > >It would appear that carrying two people is out of the question. > >Am I missing something here or should I plan on moving the engine >forward a few inches? > >Ron Lee > > Ron, Are you doing your calculations in a flying configuration or with the tail wheel on the ground? Bobby Muse bmuse@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 23:19:38 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Project update and shameless plug for wifes job At 11:05 PM 6/3/97 -0700, you wrote: >Your website is AWESOME as always. Gives me somthing to aim for, >besides the surface of my plane with a spray gun. Thanks Ross! I try to change something on the home page every month, that way incase there is someone out there who happens to revisit they may find something new! It was a major debate whether I should have put that picture of myself on there, I feared I may ruin the whole project! :-) Maybe next month a picture of the wife! Hey do any of you guys out there who work in a technical field have a use for a 4.6 GB MO drive with removable disk? If so send me a private email , my wife works for Pinnacle Micro and they are having a sale on their new 4.6 gb Apex drive and re-writable CD Rom burner. _______________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 00:46:36 -0600 (MDT) From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: KR CG Question > >Ron, Are you doing your calculations in a flying configuration or with the tail wheel on the ground? > > >Bobby Muse >bmuse@mindspring.com > Bobby, I am not sure what you are asking. I am assuming from the W&B I have that all this is with the top longerons level, which must mean flying. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 02:32:04 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Project update At 11:05 PM 6/3/97 -0700, you wrote: >Micheal Mims wrote: >> >> I glassed and floxed the 45 degree edge on the door a >> few nights ago and then sanded it to a nice smooth finish. Tonight I >> covered the 45 degree angle with duct tape to act as a release agent and >> re-mounted it (for the 155th time)!! I made sure it would open and close >> without rubbing or catching. If this works I should have a perfect >> door sill with a .003 or .004 of a gap for silicone sealant. My biggest >> concern is that when I open the door, to much of the flox may stick to the >> duct tape and tear away from the urethane foam! Fingers are crossed!! >Mike, > The duct tape should work pretty good. I used it as a release barrier for >my forward deck, and applied lots of dry micro at the joint to get a good >seal. The stuff released pretty well. > Ross > > I used duct tape as a release agent also. I found that the duct tape would sometimes slick a little to the epoxy. I used Johnson's Floor Wax on top of the duct tape . Worked a lot better. Bobby Muse bmuse@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 02:32:02 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Radios? Transponders At 12:07 AM 6/2/97 -0700, you wrote: > > I'm considering getting a Terra COM and Terra Xponder, I believe unless >I'm hosed on the regs, that a Xponder is required since I have an electrical >system. Am I correct? > > >-- >Ross Youngblood You are right. By the way I have a Terra Com and Xponder...works great. I have often been told by other pilots that they have heard me talking over 40 miles away. Bobby Muse bmuse@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 21:28:38 -0400 From: "Jim Fields" Subject: KR: Re: KRnet * * * help wanted * * * You have heard it from me before, maybe this is a function that RR could perform on behalf of its own interest in the design. Am I wrong on this matter? Take care, Jim SKYTECH Innovations, Inc. Mail To: skytech@iserv.net - ---------- > From: Carlos Sa > To: KRnet > Subject: KR: KRnet * * * help wanted * * * > Date: Tuesday, June 03, 1997 8:16 PM > > 'evening, folks. > > I am afraid I have bad news: I will not be able to continue > performing the archiving function. > Since many of you depend on the archives as a source of > information, I think you deserve an explanation: > > Number one, I am embarking on a project with a friend. No, > it is not a KR... but hopefully I will be a couple of > dollars closer to it when I am done... > That will be time consumming, and the archiving will have > to be put aside... > > The second reason is $, though I think we could figure a > solution (we might have to, one way or the other). > The traffic out of the KRnet pages has been * huge * for a > humble site like mine: 500 MB/month. That translates into > about $45/month, or around $500 / year. That sort of messes > up my KR budget :o( !!! > Of course this is not unique to my ISP, so we'll probably > have to deal with the issue. > > I propose we find a new volunteer to keep the archives. > He/she should *not* be a builder ;o)! > I will supply all the knowledge needed (if any!), as well as > the programs I created to sort the postings (REXX required!) > and web pages. > > I will keep archiving postings for the next week or two, > while we look for a new volunteer. > > Sorry for the inconvenience, folks. > > > Regards > > Carlos ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #31 ****************************