From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #41 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Saturday, June 14 1997 Volume 01 : Number 041 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:48:37 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: max firewall HP At 07:03 PM 6/13/97 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-06-13 11:46:40 EDT, you write: > ><< The documentation for the gear, forward top > deck, fuel tank, turtle deck and canopy sections will all be missing as > they are supplied when you buy these "standard" 2S sections from RR. My > suggestion is to go for it. >> > > You mean that documentation you only get if you buy the >finished components? > > Marty Yes! Then and only then! _______________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 21:16:05 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Fw: engine options Here's a message from a non-member. Told him to join up, but maybe a few of you could express your opinions to him direct email? Mark Langford langford@hiwaay.net http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford - ---------- > From: Kevin McCord > To: langford@hiwaay.net > Subject: engine options > Date: Friday, June 13, 1997 3:49 AM > > I recently bought the majority of the spruce required to build a KR-2S. > The person I bought it from sold me a Continintal A-65 that needs to be > rebuilt for $200. Should I sink the money into the conny, or trade off > it and a Franklin 0-335 for a more suitable powerplant for the kit? > > Thank you for making the other information available to all of us. > > Kevin McCord ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 12:02:18 -0400 From: Bob Litty Subject: KR: Soob engines > >man wants $575 delivered with a 30 da. warranty. No core. Anything > >special I should look for? >> > > Shoot Bob, this wasn't one of the import program engines? > This is WAY too much money core or no core. > > Marty > Yeah, I figured that out when I took your advice and started looking in the Tradin' Post. I guess I'll start doing some legwork now. Hey, I ain't bright but I'm trainable.... - -- Bob Litty mailto:rdlitty@infinet.com littyrd@muohio.edu rdlitty@mumr2.mid.muohio.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 00:39:15 EDT From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E. Scott) Subject: Re: KR: N1213W Flies!!! On Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:14:20 brian whatcott writes: >I think Jeff's report is confusing you. >He says he needs the horiz stab leading edge HIGHER. >That means the plane is flying nose high, and so needs max nose DOWN >trim. >Regards > > Sorry, I probably misspoke in my flight report and made it a bit confusing. The plane needs a bit more nose up trim than it has available. I had to constantly hold some back pressure on the stick as I was intentionally trying to keep the speeds down. I'll creep up on the speeds more later on in the test flying program. I will probably end up glueing a wedge across the bottom of the trailing edge of the elevator to put in a little more nose up and make the trim tab a bit more effective. The short term plan is to get some flying time in and get a good feel for the plane, then move it to my home airport and my own hanger where I can get started making the modifications I think it needs. The plane is currently residing at an airport 40+ miles from home and that is making it a bit difficult for the logistics of maintenance and flying. This weekend the airport is closed for an airshow, so the plane will be on display at the EAA booth rather than me building flying time in it. Jeff - ---- Jeffrey Scott jscott.pilot@juno.com See construction of KR-2S N1213W at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html - ---- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 18:14:16 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Project update > This won't help Mark, but in the Tony Bengelis books, he says to only > use electrical tape on Plexiglass. It doesn't remain stuck (and I > hope he is right). The electrical tape on my plexiglass canopy has been in place for over 2 years and it's still removable. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:00:48 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Painting ineterior parts?? Micheal Mims wrote: > > Did some of you builders paint certain pieces inside the cockpit this early > in construction and if so did the paint last well enough so that it still > looked good when you finally finished your project? I painted my cockpit about 18-24 months ago with Formbys Granite paint, topped off with clearcoat. Looks great. - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 23:02:01 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Painting ineterior parts?? At 10:00 PM 6/13/97 -0700, you wrote: >I painted my cockpit about 18-24 months ago with Formbys Granite >paint, topped off with clearcoat. Looks great. >-- Thanks Ross I started painting tonight and will finish up tomorrow. I noticed someone had painted thei instrument panel with splatter paint, was it you? I was thinking of doing the same and then applying flat black over it. What do you think? Textured look on the panel? _______________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 23:34:46 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Homebuilt buyers and maintenance Micheal Mims wrote: > > They were told that only the holder > of the repair station/repairman certificate or an A&P is allowed to perform > other than preventative maintenance and the repairman certificate that you > get when you certify your experimental is only valid for your aircraft and > is NOT transferable. This is what I read in Tony Bengilis' books I believe. - -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 23:52:09 -0700 From: R Covington Subject: Re: KR: Painting interior parts?? > I was thinking of doing the same and then applying flat black over >it. What do you think? Textured look on the panel? > >_______________________ >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts >mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com > >http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand You can also use a roller to apply the paint and it will leave a texture if the paint is thick enough. Might be bubbly though if you aren't careful. Splatter paint sounds cool. Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 23:34:46 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Homebuilt buyers and maintenance Micheal Mims wrote: > > They were told that only the holder > of the repair station/repairman certificate or an A&P is allowed to perform > other than preventative maintenance and the repairman certificate that you > get when you certify your experimental is only valid for your aircraft and > is NOT transferable. This is what I read in Tony Bengilis' books I believe. - -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 23:40:44 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: N1213W Flies!!! Jeffrey E. Scott wrote: > > Ladies, Gentlemen, and other Netheads, > > This is the other post that it seems that I have been waiting for years > to make. > > This evening June 10, 1997, after what seems like an eternity of > building, N1213W finally took flight from the main runway at Santa Fe, > New Mexico. As they say, "A day I shall always remember." > Jeff, Great News! I busted my Private Check ride June 10th this week... I should have asked for a discontinuation after the Oral, I was feeling under the weather, but chalked it up to nerves. When I was finally done, and headed home, I had a splitting headache. I retracted flaps prior to adding power on a go-around... whoops! At any rate, more practice is in the schedule for me. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 03:16:31 -0400 (EDT) From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Non-builder Plane Maintenance (Ron, do not read!) >Well I just got off the phone with the Long Beach FSDO and as I totally >expected the information that my friends relayed to me was correct. . . . >PS part 43 is fairly restrictive, you cant even remove a propeller! If your friends, an FSDO, or anyone else is telling you Part 43 restrictions apply to experimental planes, they're simply wrong. It is plainly stated in the FARs -- and was QUOTED by someone on this thread a day or two ago -- that Part 43 DOES NOT APPLY to experimental planes. Frankly, I would have grave doubts believing ANY critical information in the future from people so willing to give out information that is so fundamentally misguided. Forget about getting hearsay information from other people -- some of whom may have an interest in having owners buy service rather than do it themselves. Instead, READ the regulations and think for yourself. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 02:03:39 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Non-builder Plane Maintenance (Ron, do not read!) At 03:16 AM 6/14/97 -0400, you wrote: >If your friends, an FSDO, or anyone else is telling you Part 43 restrictions apply to experimental planes, they're simply wrong. It is plainly stated in the FARs -- and was QUOTED by someone on this thread a day or two ago -- that Part 43 DOES NOT APPLY to experimental planes. I don't think I said PART 43 applied to experimentals, more like PART 43 type maintenance is what you are restricted too if you were not the builder of the aircraft. (If I did say PART 43 applied to experimental then I apologize because it is not what I meant) Otherwise all other maintenance must be signed off by the original builder or an A&P. I would also like to add this particular FSDO/GADO probably signs off more experimental aircraft per year than any other so I would like to think the guy knows what the @&%! he's talking about! _______________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 07:03:46 +0000 From: Steve Bennett Subject: KR: KR dinner at Oshkosh FYI. the KR dinner will be held on Friday night August 1,at Oshkosh this year. It will be held at the Hilton Inn, in downtown Oshkosh. Cost is $15.00 per person. It will be combined with the Q-1,Q-2 and Dragonfly dinner. Should make for a great crowd. We expect 150 to 175 folks in total. you can pre-pay by sending a check for $15.00 per person to Bill (Spud) Spornitz 112 Layton Drive Olathe KS 66061 steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 06:36:15 -0600 (MDT) From: Ron Lee Subject: KR: Re: Check Ride > I busted my Private Check ride June 10th this week... I should >have asked for a discontinuation after the Oral, I was feeling >under the weather, but chalked it up to nerves. When I was finally >done, and headed home, I had a splitting headache. I retracted >flaps prior to adding power on a go-around... whoops! > > At any rate, more practice is in the schedule for me. > > -- Ross > Young man...let me tell you about my first driver's license test. I was a mere whipper snapper of a youth, a skinny, freckle faced know it all 16 year old. I passed the written then took the driving part in my parents Galaxy 500 sedan. At the end of the test, I had to parallel park. They used long sticks with flags to set the boundaries. I start to back in..signalling of course, and keep going back until the sticks (which swivelled), were at about a 45 degree angle to vertical. SURPRISE!!!!! The sticking sticks, unbeknownst to moi, actually represented another car. I FLUNKED THE TEST! I felt terrible. But I went back later and did OK. I am no less a kind, wonderful, caring, macho cultural icon because of that one mistake. So my comments to you Ross are learn from it, and become a better pilot because of it. You will do fine the next time. Ron "I'll park 6 blocks away rather than parallel park" Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 06:39:01 -0600 (MDT) From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Painting interior parts?? At 23:02 97/6/13 -0700, you wrote: >At 10:00 PM 6/13/97 -0700, you wrote: > >>I painted my cockpit about 18-24 months ago with Formbys Granite >>paint, topped off with clearcoat. Looks great. >>-- > > >Thanks Ross I started painting tonight and will finish up tomorrow. I >noticed someone had painted thei instrument panel with splatter paint, was >it you? I was thinking of doing the same and then applying flat black over >it. What do you think? Textured look on the panel? > >_______________________ >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims Others who have done this step in and correct me if wrong, but you may want to apply a coat of the black first. That way any shrinkage of the specks will only reveal final color. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 22:31:56 +0700 From: "L.Palaniappan" Subject: KR: Fixed gear/ Tri-Cycle Gear/Diehl gear (no archive) Hello KR People, I wish to know which of the various Landing Gear Systems for the KR2S, is currently the most prefered. elements to consider are : Low time Pilot...hard landings Windy landing cnditions low maintenance cost speed gain is not a consideration. by the way I am still confused by the terms Diehl Gear/Tri-Gear/Fixed Gear and so on..... anywhere I can get description of these..? thank you L.Palani lpalani@pop.jaring.my Malaysia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:46:46 -0600 From: Robert Lasecki Subject: Re: KR: max firewall HP Baleco@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-06-13 11:46:40 EDT, you write: > > << The documentation for the gear, forward top > deck, fuel tank, turtle deck and canopy sections will all be missing as > they are supplied when you buy these "standard" 2S sections from RR. My > suggestion is to go for it. >> > > You mean that documentation you only get if you buy the > finished components? > > Marty Marty: That is exactly what my experience has been. When I paid for the "Package 4" which included the pre-molded pieces, I received the instructions for assembling them with the hardware. I had purchased the plans many months prior. These added instructions contain as many "fill in the blank" parts as the rest of the book. As an example, nothing is supplied, instructions or hardware, to include lift struts to open the canopy section. The sketches as to how to assemble the canopy frame show building a fixture to hold the entire assembly without details or dimensions. The basics are there but a lot of creativity is required. Bob Lasecki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:53:07 -0600 From: Robert Lasecki Subject: Re: KR: max firewall HP JEHayward@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-06-13 11:46:40 EDT, you write: > > << section hinge deatil, hor & vert tail templates, error in vert > template), Spar detail drawing, > > Bob Lasecki > >> > > Hey Bob, what is the "error in vert template" you're talking about. I'm > building the > 2-S and haven't begun the vertical stab yet. I guess I haven't noticed > anything yet nor have I seen any posts yet about an error. Sure don't want > to have to do something over or make-do with something. > > Jim Hayward The intermediate rib template "F" is the wrong size. It is about an inch too long. Check the scale against the fuselage drawing and you will see it. There were some postings about this about 5-6 months ago. Bob :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:13:56 -0400 From: ashadow@voyager.net Subject: KR: sling seat/cables I just put in my sling seat and ran my elevator control cables but I have a question. I put my seat in so that it is about 1 inch above the belly skin. When I ran my elevator cable, it sticks about 1 1/2" above the seat. Is this common or should I chalk up another mistake in my builders log? *grin* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 10:55:29 -0600 From: Nick Davidson Subject: KR: Fixed gear fairings Hi I have the RR fixed gear option. The instructions say to round the = leading edges and glass the rear for smooth air flow. The aluminum is = soft and I could grind the leading edge round. What do you folks think = about wrapping the entire gear leg with fibreglass useing foam to = produce the rounded leading edge and of course bury the brake lines in = foam and continue with the glass all the way around? Nick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:52:58 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Fixed gear/ Tri-Cycle Gear/Diehl gear (no archive) At 10:31 PM 6/14/97 +0700, you wrote: >elements to consider are : Low time Pilot...hard landings > Windy landing cnditions > low maintenance cost > speed gain is not a consideration. > >by the way I am still confused by the terms Diehl Gear/Tri-Gear/Fixed Gear and so on..... anywhere I can get description of these..? > >thank you > Build a fixed tri gear version, Dan Diehl is a person who makes the landing gear kits for KRs. He makes a tri gear (nose wheel) and a tail dragger version, both are fixed (non retractable). _______________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:49:22 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: Check Ride At 06:36 AM 6/14/97 -0600, you wrote: >> I busted my Private Check ride June 10th this week... I should >>have asked for a discontinuation after the Oral, I was feeling >>under the weather, but chalked it up to nerves. When I was finally >>done, and headed home, I had a splitting headache. I retracted >>flaps prior to adding power on a go-around... whoops! >> >> At any rate, more practice is in the schedule for me. >> >> -- Ross Yea Ross don't sweat the check ride, I had two or three students bust there check ride and sometimes its not the students fault. One of my students was the type (they come in all types) that I knew he was going to fail as I signed him off (he was a know it all jerk). He fail miserably and the examiner ripped me a new one for signing him off! Another guy couldn't have passed if his name was Chuck Yeager! I hate to say it, but an examiner is not allowed to have 100% pass rate, and trust me if its time for someone to fail, they will! By added pressure (more than normal) during the oral or what have you. My ATP check ride: Everything went great during the oral and the first phase of the flight test. Then is was time to do the ILS approaches. I had been listening to ATC during the first phase and 737s were reporting mod to heavy chop on final too 06R. I thought , damn I am doomed! I told the examiner that we had enough fuel to fly to another airport 50 miles south but he said well lets give it a try here at ANC. My next thought was, I guess its time for someone to fail! :-( Anyway on the first approach everything went pretty well (tolerance on the ILS is not to EVER go below GS) It was very bumpy on short final but with seat belts tightened and teeth gritting I pulled it off, we did an touch and go(should have been a full stop) and asked for vectors for another ILS. Well this one was, shall I say interesting. Those of you who are familure with the ATP check ride, know what's next. As I was vectored in to intercept the Localizer (in tight I might add) the GS needle started to move and the localizer started to swing the outer marker started beeping and ATC cleared me for the ILS, as I was reading back the clarence I selected gear down and went through a final prelanding checklist I noticed a sneaky little hand reach up and pull the left mixture back! Thanks mister examiner, may I have another?! Well I went through the engine out routine and then the mod chop kicked in! The chop got much worse as we got closer to the inner marker and all hell was breaking lose! I started to curse and talk to the airplane like it was supposed to listen to me. Well needless to say I just couldn't keep from going below GS, as I fell below GS for the second time I called out "55Z is on the go" and executed a missed approach. After we got the airplane cleaned up and running on two again I asked if we should try it again, he said no lets just go home. He didn't say a word until I shut down the engines and opened the door, (I knew I failed) then he asked "Well how do you think you did?" I said I did the best I could considering but most of all I am sure I did the right thing. He said "yes you did" and walked inside. I still had no idea if it was go or no! Well to make a long story short :-) I passed but I had that empty feeling in my gut for a few minutes, not to mention a pounding headache about an hour later! I went home and slept for three hours! _______________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 10:02:32 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Fixed gear fairings At 10:55 AM 6/14/97 -0600, you wrote: > >Hi >I have the RR fixed gear option. The instructions say to round the leading edges and glass the rear for smooth air flow. The aluminum is soft and I could grind the leading edge round. Sounds like you got the instructions to the Diehl gear along with your RR fixed gear kit! I was looking at the RR gear the other day and the aluminum is already rounded on front and back. Is yours? I think if I were to use the RR aluminum gear I would leave it as is. I could be wrong because I haven't seen the instructions to the aluminum gear but the above steps you mention is what you do to the Diehl gear. PS Troy Petteway's gear is just bare rounded aluminum and his KR will do close to 200mph. I don't think I would waste time trying to make the gear leg more aero! _______________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:41:54 -0600 (MDT) From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Fixed gear fairings At 10:55 97/6/14 -0600, you wrote: > >Hi >I have the RR fixed gear option. The instructions say to round the leading edges and glass the rear for smooth air flow. The aluminum is soft and I could grind the leading edge round. What do you folks think about wrapping the entire gear leg with fibreglass useing foam to produce the rounded leading edge and of course bury the brake lines in foam and continue with the glass all the way around? >Nick > Nick, if you put foam on the gear, here is a suggestion. PLace a larger line against the back strut edge (or front if you wish). The real brake line will slide in and out of the larger tube should you ever need to replace it. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:33:47 -0500 From: Jim Faughn Subject: Re: KR: sling seat/cables ashadow@voyager.net wrote: > > I just put in my sling seat and ran my elevator control cables but I > have a question. I put my seat in so that it is about 1 inch above the > belly skin. When I ran my elevator cable, it sticks about 1 1/2" above > the seat. Is this common or should I chalk up another mistake in my > builders log? *grin* I had the same problem since I am 6'1" and I put my sling seat within 1/2 inch of the bottom. I simply cut the sling seat to give the cables clearance and have had no problem. Just adjust and keep building because flying is alot more fun! - -- Jim Faughn N8931JF St. Louis, MO (314) 652-7659 or (573) 465-8039 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:42:41 -0700 From: Peter Hudson Subject: Re: KR: Fixed gear fairings Guys, I have the RR gear and the aluminum was NOT rounded. The instructions said to round the front and fair the back with foam and glass. I recommend using a belt sander to round it as grinding aluminum tends to load up the grinding wheel. - -Peter- >> I have the RR fixed gear option. The instructions say to round the >> leading edges and glass the rear for smooth air flow. The aluminum >> is soft and I could grind the leading edge round. > > Sounds like you got the instructions to the Diehl gear along with your >RR fixed gear kit! I was looking at the RR gear the other day and the > aluminum is already rounded on front and back. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:59:59 -0700 From: Peter Hudson Subject: KR: Progress Well... We've all been inspired by Jeffs first flight (congratulations!). Like most of you I went right out and worked on my KR. Whose next? I imagine one of those reports a month ought to really keep my project moving along. As I left off I was debating about feather-fill over an epoxy wing. I decided enough others have done it that I shoul stop worrying and shoot some on. So for the last couple of weeks I been sanding/painting/sanding on my stbd owp. (actually only about 20 hours worth. It took two coats of feather fill (both sanded mostly off) anda little touch up with a brush for the bits low enough not to have been filled up to contuor (just a few little spots here and there). I should finish this part today. I plan to take it off my nifty paint stand and weigh it again to see how much weight feather fill really adds. The paint stand is a $50 engine rebuild stand (from harbor freight). I made a bracket to mount to the spar fittings which I also drilled for the 4 engine stand attach bolts. Now I can paint it, rotate it to get the bottom, tilt it for wet sanding, and roll it back in the garage. It was well worth the hour and the $50. I'm glad to do this one wing panel at a time. I could use the break of doing more glass work before having to sand any more. I try to remind myself that since the dawn of man, craftsmen rubbed things, polishing, shaping etc. So when I steel myself for another sanding session I try to think of it as bonding with man's ancestors. Yeah it's a stretch but then our first flight reports are too few and far between. That's all for now...I let you know how much the feather fill process weighs soon. - -Peter- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 12:35:21 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: sling seat/cables At 01:33 PM 6/14/97 -0500, you wrote: >Guys, > >I have the RR gear and the aluminum was NOT rounded. The instructions said to round the front and fair the back with foam and glass. Interesting, just how many versions of aluminum gear is coming out of RR? I promise the one I saw was rounded on both ends, then again it could have been nothing more than a dream! :-) _______________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 12:42:57 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Aireserch Intercoolers Attention Netters! Take a look at the Aireserch Intercoolers at the URL below. The price is great, and I think they would work great for radiators on liquid cooled conversions. http://pw2.netcom.com/~mimsmand/cooling.html tell them I sent you! Maybe I can score a few points with this guy! :-) _______________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 16:08:50 -0400 From: mwest Subject: Re: KR:Finally finished/Need a ride Ron Lee wrote: > > >What would really make me get in gear and really get to building would > >be to get a flight in a KR. I have never flown in one yet. I hope > >that I can catch a ride soon. > > > > >Brian J Bland > >bbland@busprod.com > > > > WELLLLLLLLL. Where are you Brian? I am at least a month away from > giving rides. But someone else may be able to help you. Give us more > info. I know that Troy Petteway was very gracious is allowing me to > FLY his plane back in December. > > Now if you weigh 300 pounds I may have to claim brake problems :) > > Ron "Not a real KRPOA member yet" Lee Hey Ron, can you get a 2 for 1 on that first kr ride? I am working on a kr-1 and also would love a ride. I would be happy to pay for fuel to get a ride to Perry in Sept. I live in S. Ga. Darrin "never flown in a kr" West ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:29:05 -0700 From: R Covington Subject: Re: KR: Re: Check Ride >At 06:36 AM 6/14/97 -0600, you wrote: >>> I busted my Private Check ride June 10th this week... I should >>>have asked for a discontinuation after the Oral, I was feeling >>>under the weather, but chalked it up to nerves. When I was finally >>>done, and headed home, I had a splitting headache. I retracted >>>flaps prior to adding power on a go-around... whoops! >>> >>> At any rate, more practice is in the schedule for me. >>> >>> -- Ross > I still had no idea if it >was go or no! Well to make a long story short :-) I passed but I had >that empty feeling in my gut for a few minutes, not to mention a pounding >headache about an hour later! I went home and slept for three hours! > >_______________________ >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts The only thing more stressful than my checkride that I have endured (for the most part, some current circumstances aside) was my mother's funeral. I think the best way to go into a checkride is to be relaxed enough that if you DO fail, you will not be feeling that it is the end of the world. That way you might feel relaxed enough to do good enough to pass without all that stress getting in your way! It sure is a whole bunch of stress. I guess because we like flying so much and thus care so much about passing. Then pile on a possibly mean Examiner... :) My examiner was ok, but took me to Riverside FSDO to get some paperwork (Ack! I was supposed to go out near Cajun Pass!). Told me he didn't want me to get a rampcheck (on my checkride!) and go do some practice landings until he came out. I did a couple, then sat on the ramp for a half hour. Waiting, fearing for that rampcheck.:) And that was only my private. Ross, you will pass fine next time, and I think you will be a better pilot for having busted the checkride. I know it might not feel that way now, but I think it will be true. Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:54:44 -0600 (MDT) From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR:Finally finished/Need a ride >Hey Ron, can you get a 2 for 1 on that first kr ride? I am working on a >kr-1 and also would love a ride. I would be happy to pay for fuel to get >a ride to Perry in Sept. I live in S. Ga. > >Darrin "never flown in a kr" West > Darrin, south GA is a bit out of my way! I live in Colorado. It has been many years since I flew cross-country and that too will require some building up to. I think my first one will be about 60 miles south to Pueblo CO where they have runways in different directions. Perhaps there is another KR pilot nearby who could use the gas money. BUt if I make it to Perry, I would be happy to give you a ride if I am safe by then. IF I am not comfortable with my abilities as a taildragger pilot, then I probably will not go this year. Just have to wait and see. I am anxious to fly but am also very cautious. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 18:41:14 -0500 From: Jim Faughn Subject: Re: KR:Finally finished/Need a ride Ron Lee wrote: > > >Hey Ron, can you get a 2 for 1 on that first kr ride? I am working on a > >kr-1 and also would love a ride. I would be happy to pay for fuel to get > >a ride to Perry in Sept. I live in S. Ga. > > > >Darrin "never flown in a kr" West > > > > Darrin, south GA is a bit out of my way! I live in Colorado. It has > been many years since I flew cross-country and that too will require > some building up to. I think my first one will be about 60 miles > south to Pueblo CO where they have runways in different directions. > > Perhaps there is another KR pilot nearby who could use the gas money. > > BUt if I make it to Perry, I would be happy to give you a ride if I > am safe by then. IF I am not comfortable with my abilities as a > taildragger pilot, then I probably will not go this year. Just have to > wait and see. I am anxious to fly but am also very cautious. > > Ron Lee Don't worry, there will be plenty of pilots ready to give rides at Perry if the weather cooperates. Also, Ron the first time I went to a KR Gathering I didn't give rides because I didn't feel I was up to it. You will get a great deal of experience going to the flyin and it is one you should make. - -- Jim Faughn N8931JF St. Louis, MO (314) 652-7659 or (573) 465-8039 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:43:26 -0400 (EDT) From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Non-builder Plane Maintenance (Ron, do not read!) In a message dated 97-06-14 12:45:25 EDT, you write: << Instead, READ the regulations and think for yourself. Mike Taglieri >> As much as I would like to agree with you, the regulations are not written for us to interpret, they are written for us to follow. The binding interpretation comes from a representative of the agency authorized to enforce the regs, in this case the FAA. FSDO stands for Flight Standards District Office, a field office of the FAA, and has no affiliation with your local FBO (fixed base operator) who charges large fees for working on your airplane. As with so many things in this business, the real answer to the maintenance question is "it depends", and in this case it depends on the interpretation of your local authorities. Should they all have the same interpretation? Absolutely!! Do they? Nope. If you've got a question about what is legal, ask your local authorities, not a bunch of "good 'ole boys" (of which I am one) at the local patch or here on the list. It will save you money and stress in the long run to get the "right" answer for your particular location/situation straight from the horse's mouth. Humbly submitted... Cheers! Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 23:52:29 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Flox vs. Micro (was Follow-On Glueing) EagleGator@aol.com wrote: > > I thought "Flox" was milled fiber glass. Or, is that just called Mill > >Fiber? > > > > Flocked cotton, milled glass, I don't know? I have read it is flocked > <-correct word? cotton. > >> > > I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe "flox" is made > by mixing cotton flock (cut in VERY small pieces, looks like heavy powder) > with epoxy/resin, and "micro" is made by mixing micro balloons/quartz/milled > glass with epoxy/resin. Flox is structural, while micro is not. > > Cheers! > Rick Junkin > EagleGator@aol.com Rick, You are correct. FLOX is made up using cotton "flock" mixed with glass. This IS detailed in the plans, and is also covered in some minor detail in both the ACS and Wicks catalogs. Also the book "Composite Construction Techniques" which is available from both ACS and Wicks. IT IS STRUCTURAL Milled GLASS, is different from MICRO balloons, Micro Balloons are more expensive if I recall. A 50% mix of micro and epoxy is micro-slurry. A 80%micro 20%epoxy or so is DRY micro and makes a great filler. Micro is NON-STRUCTURAL. FLOX is HEAVIER than Micro generally. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 18:53:20 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Painting ineterior parts?? Mike, I used Oak Veneer on my instrument panel. The interior sides were Formbys granite paint. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 22:36:49 -0400 From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: Re: KR: Fixed gear fairings - ---------- > From: Micheal Mims > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: Fixed gear fairings > Date: Saturday, June 14, 1997 1:02 PM > > At 10:55 AM 6/14/97 -0600, you wrote: > > > >Hi > >I have the RR fixed gear option. The instructions say to round the leading > edges and glass the rear for smooth air flow. The aluminum is soft and I > could grind the leading edge round. > > Sounds like you got the instructions to the Diehl gear along with your RR > fixed gear kit! I was looking at the RR gear the other day and the aluminum > is already rounded on front and back. Is yours? I think if I were to use > the RR aluminum gear I would leave it as is. I could be wrong because I > haven't seen the instructions to the aluminum gear but the above steps you > mention is what you do to the Diehl gear. > I rounded mine using the foam/glass method. Looks really good. At least it should be better than the bare metal. Takes a bit of work, but if I was afraid of that...... - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 00:46:57 -0500 From: "Rick Hanson" Subject: KR: Scaling up the KR2 Does anyone know of or heard of anyone scaling up a KR2. After watching a friend build the fuselage (the boat), I got interested in the KR2. My wife and I are large people and would need to scale it up about 60 to 70 percent. Having worked a lot with wood, the KR is the only wood airplane design that we like. Would like see any comments that you may have Thanks Rick---------- > ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #41 ****************************