From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #47 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Monday, June 23 1997 Volume 01 : Number 047 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 15:44:17 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: crossection of upper longeron Alan Moat wrote: > > I have recently finished my bottom skin installation. According to the > manual I worked the crossection to give a good fit to the plywood. > > Does this also have to be done to the upper longerons for the shearwebs at > the firewall and at Station I ? > > If I do have to work the crossection do I do the entire length of the > fuselage? > > Thank you for the help. > > Alan Moat > > taom@randomc.com Alan, If I am understanding your question, I believe the idea of "working" the cross section is to plane the surface of the 5/8" material so that the plywood belly skin, or in the case of your question, the sheer web, is not undergoing any bending when it is installed. I believe I did do some planing of the pieces I installed for the plywood shelf so that the 5/8" member would mate with the shelf with good surface contact. I also believe I planed the vertical members at Station I. I didn't understand your "do I have to work the entire length of the fuselage" question. My guess is that you only have to plane the area where you are going to mate the plywood. I think that someone could make some comments about "stress risers" so I would feather the contour so you don't have any sharp transitions along the longerons that would lead to splitting. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 15:50:26 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Re: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Non-member submission from [LATESLEPER@aol.com] Bob, Your email post to KRNET bounced as you are not a member. I can sign you up if you send me a reply to this email. I will forward your message to the list. - -- Ross owner-krnet-l@teleport.com wrote: > > >From krnet-l-owner Sun Jun 22 09:23:30 1997 > Received: from emout01.mail.aol.com (emout01.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.92]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA14664 for > From: LATESLEPER@aol.com > Received: (from root@localhost) > by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) > id MAA04252 for krnet-l@teleport.com; > Sun, 22 Jun 1997 12:23:26 -0400 (EDT) > Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 12:23:26 -0400 (EDT) > Message-ID: <970622122325_1526082852@emout01.mail.aol.com> > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Possible KR builder > > Hello all KR builders. My name is Bob Maldonado and I'm from Bakersfield > California. I'm considering building a KR project but I need information > before I make a final decision. I wanted to ask many questions about the > project, > such as what kind of skill level is needed, how much room is needed, what > kind of > tools are needed , and would I know if my workmanship is good enough to have > a quality plane after its all done. There are of course many other questions > that I > can think of but I dont want to take a lot of your times. I would also , if > possible > would like to visit a project site to see and get a feeling for the project , > with permission of course. This would be possible if there is a project in > this area. I know about what the costs will be , but before I decide > on > this project I would like to get a feeling for this project . If anyone is > interested or is > willing to help me please e-mail me at www.latesleper@aol.com . Also I would > be > willing to trade work , if needed , for your time. > > Thanks Bob Maldonado - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 15:59:03 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: [Fwd: Re: MOL: Replys before Original Posts] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------2EA41A212392 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I posted to the Teleport Majordomo Owners List List... and got a great response which explains why emails from KRNET sometimes arrive out of order. Even to your local KRNET admin, me, when my email account resides on the same machine which is handling KRNET... so if your interested... read on. - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm - --------------2EA41A212392 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: rootbeer@teleport.com Received: from kelly.teleport.com (kelly.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by portia.teleport.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01862; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 10:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rootbeer@localhost) by kelly.teleport.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA25367; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 10:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 10:26:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Phoenix To: Ross Youngblood cc: majordomo-owners-l@teleport.com Subject: Re: MOL: Replys before Original Posts In-Reply-To: <33ACBD58.2E63@teleport.com> Message-ID: Organization: Society for the Elimination of Unwarranted Excess Superfluous Text in Internet Header Lines MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-UIDL: 67b3c436fbda9b30fc9fa7d0ed7c6054 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, Ross Youngblood wrote: > Occasionally I have seen replys arrive in my inbox before the > original post arrives. This is a feature (yes, a feature!) of the way in which mail is handled. When you send email, your message is put into a queue with hundreds (or thousands) of other messages to be sent later. When the mail-handling software (called the MTA, for Mail Transfer Agent, or something like that) gets a chance, it connects to (say) America Online's MTA and hands over all mail for them. If AOL's MTA is busy, their mail stays in the queue a little longer. Now, the MTA has to have some smarts about which messages to deliver first. So it starts by looking at the headers. Messages from Majordomo are (rightly) labeled "Precedence: bulk", so the MTA knows that it should deliver your high-priority mail from your boss before it delivers the mailing list's low-priority message about Tamagotchi. :-) Right away, we see that a message sent directly to you should get to you faster than one sent through the list, since they have different priorities. Another thing the MTA looks at is the size of the message. Since a long message takes more time to transmit, it is lowered in priority over a short one. Earlier, I mentioned what happens if AOL's MTA is busy. If the MTA tries to reach AOL several times and can't get through, mail to AOL is lowered in precedence so that the MTA will begin to try less frequently. There's no point in calling just to get a busy signal. (In this case, it's even likely that the receiving MTA is offline, so it's more like calling to hear the phone ring and ring.) So, in summary, in order to get efficient delivery of email, we give up always getting mail messages delivered in order. But the same thing happens with postal mail, so it's not a big deal! :-) - -- Tom Phoenix http://www.teleport.com/~rootbeer/ rootbeer@teleport.com PGP Skribu al mi per Esperanto! Randal Schwartz Case: http://www.rahul.net/jeffrey/ovs/ - --------------2EA41A212392-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 21:51:39 -0400 (EDT) From: RJMOTLF@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Full mailboxes yes please put me on the digest i just can noit read all my messages can i just sign on and read messages as i have time or do i have to take all or nothing thanks ralph j. marriott okc ok/ pharr tx where i work ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 19:26:33 -0700 From: Peter Hudson Subject: Re: KR: weight of feather-fll Sorry guys, Yeah it's starboard outer wing panel. I've been working for DoD too long. They love "TLA"s (three letter acronyms). - -Peter- Ross Youngblood wrote: > > Peter Hudson wrote: > > > > Hi gang, > > > > So I finished filling and sanding my stbd owp. > >I'm kinda tired today... what is a stbd owp? > > Starboard Outer Wing Panel? > > -- Ross > -- > Ross Youngblood > KRNET-L administrator > mailto:rossy@teleport.com > http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 07:19:21 -0700 From: Ted & Louisa Jones Subject: Re: KR: [Fwd: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Admin request of type /\bsubscribe\b/i at line 2 Admin request of type /\bsubscribe\b/i at line 7] Ross Youngblood wrote: > > approved > > -- > Ross Youngblood > KRNET-L administrator > mailto:rossy@teleport.com > http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Admin request of type /\bsubscribe\b/i at line 2 Admin request of type /\bsubscribe\b/i at line 7 > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 21:30:28 -0700 (PDT) > From: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com > To: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com > > >From krnet-l-owner Fri Jun 20 21:30:26 1997 > Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by greta.teleport.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA14732 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 21:30:24 -0700 (PDT) > Received: (from smap@localhost) > by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) > id XAA16378 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 23:30:23 -0500 (CDT) > Received: from ppp-206-170-70-212.irvn11.pacbell.net(206.170.70.212) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) > id sma015512; Fri Jun 20 23:21:45 1997 > Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970621041757.0075e95c@popd.ix.netcom.com> > X-Sender: mimsmand@popd.ix.netcom.com > X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 21:17:57 -0700 > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > From: Micheal Mims > Subject: A Magazine to consider > > My wife picked up a Magazine that I think everyone building a KR would > benefit from. I plan to subscribe right away! Its called "Wooden Boat" > the magazine from wooden boat owners, builders, and designers. I have just > skimmed through it but have already learned more from this one issue that > will help in the construction of my KR than any other magazine I have read! > > To subscribe send your money to: > > WoodenBoat > Subscription Dept. > PO Box 54767 > Boulder CO 80323-4767 > > Its $27.00 a year. > > It seems that my wife has always wanted a Chris-Craft mahogany runabout, > after seeing me in action with spruce I guess she has plans for me and my > garage after the KR is finished! > > I guess the Subaru engines are finding their way into homebuilt boats these > days! There is a picture or two of the larger (EJ-22?) Soob installed in a > 20 footer. > > PS My wife just walked in as I was typing and asked if I like that magazine, > I said its great and she said good because I sent for the subscription > today! Man am I lucky or what!!!?? > > _______________________ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com > > http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand Welcome to the (boat) club! Ted Jones ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 22:55:37 -0400 (EDT) From: DC4FREE@aol.com Subject: KR: EAA Northwest Fly-in, Arlington, WA. KR dudes, Is anyone going to the EAA Northwest Fly-in, Arlington, WA. July 9 thru 12?? If you are going, how about we set up a time and place and all meet to exchange stories, pictures, lies and lay eyeballs on the people we’ll SOON be flying with. Any takers on Saturday, 0900 hrs. around the fire-pit outside the cafe by the Ultralight hangers? Don Wright Everett, WA DC4FREE@AOL.COM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 21:22:12 -0700 From: John F Esch Subject: Re: KR: Full mailboxes Ross Youngblood wrote: > > JOHN F. ESCH wrote: > > > > Message text written by INTERNET:krnet-l@teleport.com > > >This way if you go on vacation< > > > > Vacation? You went on vacation with an almost finished airplane? > > No but a couple of AOLers did, and I get back from 4 days out of > town on business to 624 email messages about 30% were mailbox full. > I've also got a couple of international destinations too... > > -- Ross > > -- > Ross Youngblood > KRNET-L administrator > mailto:rossy@teleport.com > http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm 624 messages.. wow did you get my message on the Revmaster engine in Eugene? John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 21:29:03 -0700 From: John F Esch Subject: Re: KR: EAA Northwest Fly-in, Arlington, WA. DC4FREE@aol.com wrote: > > KR dudes, Is anyone going to the EAA Northwest Fly-in, Arlington, WA. > July 9 thru 12?? > > If you are going, how about we set up a time and place and all meet to > exchange stories, pictures, lies and lay eyeballs on the people we’ll SOON be > flying with. > > Any takers on Saturday, 0900 hrs. around the fire-pit outside the cafe by the > Ultralight hangers? > > Don Wright > Everett, WA > DC4FREE@AOL.COM Don KR-2S plans buyer here. I will see if I can get the time off here John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 21:47:09 -0700 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: EAA Northwest Fly-in, Arlington, WA. DC4FREE@aol.com wrote: > > KR dudes, Is anyone going to the EAA Northwest Fly-in, Arlington, WA. > July 9 thru 12?? > > If you are going, how about we set up a time and place and all meet to > exchange stories, pictures, lies and lay eyeballs on the people we’ll SOON be > flying with. > > Any takers on Saturday, 0900 hrs. around the fire-pit outside the cafe by the > Ultralight hangers? > > Don Wright > Everett, WA > DC4FREE@AOL.COM - ------- Don: Saturday the 12th at 9:00 am sounds good at Arlington. I can't remember where the fire pit is but should be easy to find. Is anyone else going to Arlington?? Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing Field. Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - ---------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 01:29:33 -0400 (EDT) From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: KR: Re: NTSB Accident Reports Scratch the part of my last message about the text file, I just uploaded it. There is no hyperlink to the plain text version, so type in http://members.aol.com/eaglegator/accid.txt to download it. I hope this helps some folks out. Cheers! Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles, Missouri ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 23:11:10 -0800 From: "Parley T. Byington" Subject: Re: KR: Re:Tiedown ideas Dennis I use the landing gear to tie my KR-2 down, I carry some 3/8 nylon rope with me and just attach the rope to the tie down rings or cable at which every airport I happen to be at. This has worked just fine so far. Regards Parley On 6 Jun 97 at 12:08, Dennis Ambrose wrote: > At 10:11 PM 6/3/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Dennis Ambrose wrote: > >> > >> Tell me, how does one tie down their KR. There doesen't seem to be > >> any obvious tie down points. > >> > >> (Sorry if this is a silly question) :-O > >> > (SNIP) This means > >cutting into the wing and epoxying an oak block with the nut floxed > >in place on the spar someplace. At this point this is my plan. > > > > Another option would be to construct some nylon webbing seat belt > >like straps that would go around the wing and pick up the tiedown > >hook/eyelet. > > > > For the tailwheel, I'm thinking I can weld up or find a fixture to > >attach at the tail spring area. > > > > How do these ideas sound? > > > > > >-- > >Ross Youngblood > >KRNET-L administrator > >mailto:rossy@teleport.com > >http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm > > > > It seems to me the outer main spar is the place to put a couple of > tie down rings, but would't that extra hole in the spar weaken it? Where > "exactly" are people putting the ring? > > Regards Dennis. %-D > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 23:11:09 -0800 From: "Parley T. Byington" Subject: RE: KR: Insufficient Gravity Fuel Flow Ron My KR-2 (N54PB) will run without the fuel pump and I believe that the starvation problem I experienced was due to having to small of fuel lines installed. I have sinced went from .25 dia to .375 dia. fuel lines. I have not flown since the modification but are getting close to having my bird back in the air. I have been repainting and do some small modifications to the plane to reduce overall weight and increase fuel capacity as well as making the bird look nice. Regards Parley Byington > > Could you elaborate on the fuel starvation problem. I am not sure that > fuel pumps are standard on KRs so I am curious about this occurence. > > Ron Lee > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 02:35:35 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Computer geek info Kat: For your info and to share with your new computer geek guys... Subj: Only $799! P133 computer/16RAM/1.2GIG/6xCD Date: 97-06-22 07:36:19 EDT From: computer284@xqkq.netsales1.net (P133 Computer) Reply-to: computer3@netsales1.net To: computer284@xqkq.netsales1.net Only $799! 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Order online at http://www.gre atdeals.net If you do not wish to receive any more notifications of great deals like this, just type REMOVE in the subject line and reply, and we'll take you off of our mailing list. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 07:58:59 -0400 (EDT) From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: NTSB Accident Database The database is now available on my web site -- http:/members.aol.com/eaglegator/page2.html It's in MS Word 7.0 format, and I appologize to those who are unable to view this format. I'll upload a plain text version next weekend as I'll be out of town all week. Cheers! Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles Missouri ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:47:19 -0400 From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: KR: Re: Computer geek info Email (repy) to cary@storm.ca Web page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/ - ---------- > From: BSHADR@aol.com > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: Computer geek info > Date: June 23, 1997 2:35 AM > How did this shit get here? I get enough of that on my DND account. - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 00:30:15 -0500 From: "Rick Hanson" Subject: Re: KR: Insufficient Gravity Fuel Flow Just a suggestion. You should really check to see what the fuel flow, (gallons per hour), of the new lines are capable. You should have at least 20% above the max engine fuel flow. A easy way to test this is to measure the flow of fuel, not water or any other substance, from the tank to the line that connects the the carburetor inlet. On a gravitity feed system just take two gallons of fuel, pour it into the tank and have some time the flow at the carburetor inlet line from start to finish. Using simple math you can determine what your gallons per hour are and if it will meet the demand of the engine. - ---------- > From: Parley T. Byington > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: RE: KR: Insufficient Gravity Fuel Flow > Date: Monday, June 23, 1997 2:11 AM > > Ron > > My KR-2 (N54PB) will run without the fuel pump and I believe that the > starvation problem I experienced was due to having to small of fuel > lines installed. I have sinced went from .25 dia to .375 dia. fuel > lines. I have not flown since the modification but are getting close > to having my bird back in the air. I have been repainting and do some > small modifications to the plane to reduce overall weight and increase > fuel capacity as well as making the bird look nice. > > Regards > Parley Byington > > > > Could you elaborate on the fuel starvation problem. I am not sure that > > fuel pumps are standard on KRs so I am curious about this occurence. > > > > Ron Lee > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:03:26 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Computer Geek Stuff <> Netters: Sorry sorry sorry...my face is redder than normal. This post was not intended for KRNet. My brain is slow so I compensate by having very fast fingers!!! I''ll crawl back into my hole now... Randy Stein Santa Monica, CA (but I now think I'll move and not leave a forwarding address...) BSHADR@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:12:48 -0400 From: Marty Hammersmith Subject: Re: KR: Computer Geek Stuff At 04:03 PM 6/23/97 +0000, you wrote: > > >< >Subj: Only $799! P133 computer/16RAM/1.2GIG/6xCD >Date: 97-06-22 07:36:19 EDT >From: computer284@xqkq.netsales1.net (P133 Computer) >Reply-to: computer3@netsales1.net >To: computer284@xqkq.netsales1.net > > Only $799! P133 computer/16RAM/1.2GIG/6xCD...>> > >Netters: > >Sorry sorry sorry...my face is redder than normal. This post was not >intended for KRNet. My brain is slow so I compensate by having very fast >fingers!!! > >I''ll crawl back into my hole now... > >Randy Stein >Santa Monica, CA (but I now think I'll move and not leave a forwarding >address...) >BSHADR@aol.com > Not a problem. Seems to me a fellow KR-netter was a little quick to the autoflame button! So you made a posting error-like it'll be the only one made to this list. Geesh, give me a break. Randy's made great efforts to keep us knee deep in KR info. Bet he hasn't made much progress on his own project. Let's give him a little room, eh? Marty Hammersmith Lawrenceburg, Indiana Marty Hammersmith (baleco@worldnet.att.net) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:30:56 -0700 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: Computer Geek Stuff At 12:12 PM 06/23/1997 -0400, you wrote: >At 04:03 PM 6/23/97 +0000, you wrote: >> >> >><> >>Subj: Only $799! P133 computer/16RAM/1.2GIG/6xCD >>Date: 97-06-22 07:36:19 EDT >>From: computer284@xqkq.netsales1.net (P133 Computer) >>Reply-to: computer3@netsales1.net >>To: computer284@xqkq.netsales1.net >> >> Only $799! P133 computer/16RAM/1.2GIG/6xCD...>> >> >>Netters: >> >>Sorry sorry sorry...my face is redder than normal. This post was not >>intended for KRNet. My brain is slow so I compensate by having very fast >>fingers!!! >> >>I''ll crawl back into my hole now... >> >>Randy Stein >>Santa Monica, CA (but I now think I'll move and not leave a forwarding >>address...) >>BSHADR@aol.com >> > > Not a problem. Seems to me a fellow KR-netter was a little quick >to the autoflame button! So you made a posting error-like it'll be the only >one made to this list. Geesh, give me a break. Randy's made great efforts >to keep us knee deep in KR info. Bet he hasn't made much progress on his >own project. Let's give him a little room, eh? > > Marty Hammersmith > Lawrenceburg, Indiana > > > >Marty Hammersmith (baleco@worldnet.att.net) > Well said Marty, I remember when it seemed like Randy was KRnet and KROnline. David Moore Turnkey1@mscomm.com Hesperia, California ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:23:11 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: RE: KR: Insufficient Gravity Fuel Flow At 11:11 PM 6/22/97 -0800, you wrote: >Ron > >My KR-2 (N54PB) will run without the fuel pump and I believe that the >starvation problem I experienced was due to having to small of fuel >lines installed. I have sinced went from .25 dia to .375 dia. fuel >lines. I have not flown since the modification but are getting close >to having my bird back in the air. I have been repainting and do some >small modifications to the plane to reduce overall weight and increase >fuel capacity as well as making the bird look nice. Are these ID or OD? I know people have had fuel flow problems in Dragonflies with 1/4 tubing (OD thin wall aluminum), a switch to 3/8 tubing cures most of the issues. On some turbo applications with float bowl carbs the turbo will suck the bowl dry if the fuel lines are not at least 3/8 and the needle and seat (needle and seat assemblies come in various sizes)are on the large side. ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:29:00 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: Computer geek info At 09:47 AM 6/23/97 -0400, you wrote: How did this shit get here? I get enough of that on my DND account. > >- Cary - > Hey dude , mistakes happen! You may want watch your language regardless of how upset you are or you may find yourself removed from the list! ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:32:22 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Full mailboxes Ralph, No problem. I have moved you over to the digest. If you want back on KRNET at anytime just let me know. I just posted so that people wouldn't be suprised if they started getting the digest. You should be able to read messages as you have time, but if your mailbox fills up, I will get bounced messages from time to time. I will let you know if it ever becomes a problem... otherwise don't give it a second thought. -- Regards Ross RJMOTLF@aol.com wrote: > > yes please put me on the digest i just can noit read all my messages can i > just sign on and read messages as i have time or do i have to take all or > nothing thanks ralph j. marriott okc ok/ pharr tx where i work - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:34:51 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: EAA Northwest Fly-in, Arlington, WA. DC4FREE@aol.com wrote: > > KR dudes, Is anyone going to the EAA Northwest Fly-in, Arlington, WA. > July 9 thru 12?? > > If you are going, how about we set up a time and place and all meet to > exchange stories, pictures, lies and lay eyeballs on the people we’ll SOON be > flying with. > > Any takers on Saturday, 0900 hrs. around the fire-pit outside the cafe by the > Ultralight hangers? > > Don Wright > Everett, WA > DC4FREE@AOL.COM Don, I will try to make it up Saturday, but I don't know if I will be able to yet. Last year I was able to sneak up Wednesday and had a terrific time. I expect Saturday will be a bit more crowded.... -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:35:21 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: [Fwd: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Admin request of type /\bsubscribe\b/i at line 5] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------4D10435079DD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit approved - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm - --------------4D10435079DD Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: owner-krnet-l@lists.teleport.com Received: (from daemon@localhost) by greta.teleport.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id UAA26268; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 20:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 20:58:39 -0700 (PDT) From: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199706230358.UAA26268@greta.teleport.com> To: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Admin request of type /\bsubscribe\b/i at line 5 X-UIDL: 3aca7cf01d063ebc08bedb4edaebf6be X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 >From krnet-l-owner Sun Jun 22 20:58:34 1997 Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com (emout15.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.41]) by greta.teleport.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA26236 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 20:58:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Horn2004@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA25291 for krnet-l@teleport.com; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 23:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 23:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970622235826_-1562583244@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: Re: KR: [Fwd: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Admin request of type /\bsubscr In a message dated 6/22/97 6:16:13 AM, you wrote: <> Been a subscriber for many years. If you can't deal with the prices of some of those nice old wooden runabouts, go to the very last page and look under the heading "boats for free". First place I always check. Problem is, most of them are located on either the right of left coast. Great magazine, though. Matter of fact I'm going to be at the Wooden Boat School during Oshkosh to study/practice lapstrake and carvel planking. Can't wait! And yes, they do have some excellent info. on wooden construction. About a year ago they had a terrific article on vacumn bagging. Made it look quite simple and even showed you how to build your own vac. pump from cheap and readily available parts. The wife wouldn't let me near the fridge for weeks after that article. Was afraid I'd make off with the compressor. Steve Horn Horn2004@aol.com Dallas, Texas - --------------4D10435079DD-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:36:31 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Full mailboxes John F Esch wrote: > 624 messages.. wow > did you get my message on the Revmaster engine in Eugene? > > John I think so.... I thought I sent a reply to someone? Perhaps that was John up in Portland.... - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:39:53 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Insufficient Gravity Fuel Flow Parley T. Byington wrote: > > Ron > > My KR-2 (N54PB) will run without the fuel pump and I believe that the > starvation problem I experienced was due to having to small of fuel > lines installed. I have sinced went from .25 dia to .375 dia. fuel > lines. I have not flown since the modification but are getting close > to having my bird back in the air. I have been repainting and do some > small modifications to the plane to reduce overall weight and increase > fuel capacity as well as making the bird look nice. > > Regards > Parley Byington > > > > Could you elaborate on the fuel starvation problem. I am not sure that > > fuel pumps are standard on KRs so I am curious about this occurence. > > > > Ron LeeParley, Keep us posted. I have 1/4" fuel line from the wings pumped up to a fuel selector, then I have 3/8 from there to the header tank, and am currently planning gravity feed for the header. We shall see what I finally end up with. The line from the Gascolator to the Ellison is 1/4" in my case however. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:22:38 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Geek Language issue I just deleted everything on that thread once I learned that the PC wasn't a palmtop, so I missed the language thing. I find if a thread is not to my liking, I hit the DELETE key with vigor these days, rather than draft a reply. I don't want to be a policeman... so lets keep things down to a dull roar. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:15:08 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Insufficient Gravity Fuel Flow Rick Hanson wrote: > > Just a suggestion. You should really check to see what the fuel flow, > (gallons per hour), of the new lines are capable. You should have at least > 20% above the max engine fuel flow. A easy way to test this is to measure > the flow of fuel, not water or any other substance, from the tank to the > line that connects the the carburetor inlet. On a gravitity feed system > just take two gallons of fuel, pour it into the tank and have some time > the flow at the carburetor inlet line from start to finish. Using simple > math you can determine what your gallons per hour are and if it will meet > the demand of the engine. My understanding is that you want to do this test in a nose high attitude such as one during climbout. Block up the wheels and/or dig a hole for the tail. And do the test with minimal fuel in the header tank. I hope to be doing this test later this year, and I will post what I find. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:43:11 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: NTSB Report I just read through the NTSB reports and if there is anyone out there who wants to argue about the sensitivity of the KR controls and or possible aft CG problems, I know where to send them!! Just read about all the PIO's, over controling and unrecoverable spins! ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:49:26 -0400 From: Marty Hammersmith Subject: Re: KR: NTSB Report At 06:43 PM 6/23/97 +0000, you wrote: >I just read through the NTSB reports and if there is anyone out there who >wants to argue about the sensitivity of the KR controls and or possible aft >CG problems, I know where to send them!! > >Just read about all the PIO's, over controling and unrecoverable spins! > >________________________________ >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts >mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com > >http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand > Boy I hope you guys don't get too fed up with my references to the Sonerai. It's what I fly and I have real world experience with the airplane and the same VW the KR uses and the Sonerai has similar pitch sensitivity issues. Anyway, I was wondering if the back issue KR Newsletters don't give one a pretty good feel for what the KR handles like. I read all the Sonerai back issues and threw out the ridiculous. For example, one guy might claim he's looking at cruise speeds of 160+mph. Another guy claims a Sonerai won't do better than 120. The majority of the stuff written suggests a cruise of 140+ if straight and light. Turns out that's about right. Anyway, I did this with everything from cruise speeds, to weight and balance to gross weight to rate of climb etc. It turns out the aircraft I purchased flies exactly like the consensus says it will. One major difference I suppose, the Sonerai was very successful about remaining unmodified. There isn't a lot of room for creativity so that may help explain why my aircraft flies like everyone says it will. Seems like a guy could get a good feel for what he's getting into before that first flight. To take this one step further, if you take the median information gleened from the newsletter back issues then go read the NTSB reports for Sonerais, there's very little to surprise you. Most of the problems identified in the reports were discussed at length in the newsletters some time ago. I'd be curious to know if you can do pretty much the same thing with the KR newsletters. Marty Hammersmith Lawrenceburg, Indiana Marty Hammersmith (baleco@worldnet.att.net) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:24:05 -0400 (EDT) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: EAA Northwest Fly-in, Arlington, WA. how about sunday? same place same time? john ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:29:13 -0400 (EDT) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: EAA Northwest Fly-in, Arlington, WA. marvin, trying to set up for sunday, same place, same time, only time i can be there, would like to meet everyone john ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:06:51 -0700 From: Al Hawkins Subject: KR: EAA Northwest Fly-in, Arlington, WA. Hi Don, I will try and make it. Alastair Hawkins Port Coquitlam, B.C. ahawkins@axionet.com ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #47 ****************************