From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, December 08, 1997 11:23 AM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n076' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #76 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Sunday, August 17 1997 Volume 01 : Number 076 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 19:57:06 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: PPG Paint At 04:45 AM 8/15/97 -0700, you wrote: > >>The paint is a BaseCoat/ClearCoat from PPG. A book I read said even >>a thirteen year old can do a good job with BaseCoat/ClearCoat. I'm >>proof of that. Paint on the Base Color just the way you want it, correct >>any mistakes and paint on the Clear. The only problem that I had was trying >>to determine what was painted with the ClearCoat and what was not. > > >Sounds really good. What is PPG? This sounds like the way to go. I assume it's >good for aluminum, wood and fibreglass surfaces? > >Thanks. >Ed Newbold > PPG is Pittsburgh Paint Company. I,m told it the paint used on all new GM cars. I don't about painting on wood but I didn't paint directly on to wood. The fuselage sides are covered with epoxy, sanded, primed and painted. Each time I had epoxy left over, I would wipe it on the sides on the fuselage. You need to talk with local paint specialist. I talked to a lot of them until I felt good about painting my own airplane. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 19:57:08 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Re: Gathering & Sectional At 07:27 AM 8/15/97, you wrote: >At 05:39 97/8/15 -0500, you wrote: >>Before I order a sectional, would someone tell me on what Sectional is >>Perry, OK? >> Bobby Muse(N122B) >>Wichita > >Ron "Rand MnNally works for mykind of cross-country" Lee > Ron, I thought you going to fly your KR? Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:39:41 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Re: Gathering & Sectional >>Ron "Rand MnNally works for mykind of cross-country" Lee >> > >Ron, I thought you going to fly your KR? > > > Bobby Muse(N122B) I see my refined sense of self-deprecating humor got by you this time. Assuming that I make it, I am planning on going east on I-70, then south on I-35 to Perry. Hence the Rand McNally comment!!!! I crack me up some times :) Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:33:51 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: VW Cooling Fan At 08:18 PM 8/15/97 -0700, you wrote: >More power is easy if you can get rid of the heat. If anyone can find >the Blueberry Formula V site, they have a great picture of their cooling >"tin" solution. http://www.formulav.com/bluebery/index.htm . Without water jackets, it's no big deal to drill another set of sparkplug holes. There is no reason for two spark plugs, not to mention it just provides another place for cranks to start. Spark plugs and wires rarely fail. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / _\/\/_ _____/_//\\_\_____ F-117 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:09:58 -0700 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: VW Cooling Fan Kerry Miller wrote: > > Hey, guys! > Before we get too far into this cooling fan thing, we need to find out how > much power the fan uses. I don't remember, but I think I've heard up to 12 > Keep 'em Flying, > Kerry---------------- For what its worth. Hot VW's has an article in the FAll 97 Special edition "All about Performance Engines part II". They did 40 different dyno tests on a VW engine with every different modification you can think of including removal of the cooling fan. The fan used 15 hp at 6000 rpm. They said it would be somewhat less if they used a smaller pulley. Lookng at the dyno test results it looks like the fan was using about 6 hp at 4000 rpm. This is on a 2165 cc engine with some modifications done to it. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. north end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - --------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 02:00:48 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Re: Gathering & Sectional In a message dated 97-08-15 22:42:36 EDT, Ron Lee wrote: << I see my refined sense of self-deprecating humor got by you this time. Assuming that I make it, I am planning on going east on I-70, then south on I-35 to Perry. Hence the Rand McNally comment!!!! I crack me up some times :) >> Ya, I know what you mean...My own hunor is funny as all git-out when I'm talking to myself, but it sure gets lost when I run it through the keyboard on the way to KRNET...hmmmmmm Must be doing sum'tin wrong. I'll ask for suggestions for my self imrovement at the gathering - NOT! I'll be the pig on the spit with all the flaming that request would attract... Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Santa Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:54:59 -0700 From: Howard Welte Subject: RE: KR:Safety - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCAA2B.33C20440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - -----Original Message----- From: Richard E Pitman [SMTP:kr2builder@juno.com] Sent: Monday, August 11, 1997 1:50 PM To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: Re: KR:Safety Ricky Pitman KR2 Builder Marion, Arkansas E-Mail to: KR2Builder@juno.com Web Page: http://pw2.netcom.com/~rnricky/Ricky/Default.htm Also being a firefighter, I can always put on my bunker gear to protect me from the HEAT this may produce. 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That is if your interested. Kinda quiet today! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / _\/\/_ _____/_//\\_\_____ F-117 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 21:07:22 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Re: Gathering & Sectional At 08:39 PM 8/15/97, you wrote: > >>>Ron "Rand MnNally works for mykind of cross-country" Lee >>> >I see my refined sense of self-deprecating humor got by you this time. > >Assuming that I make it, I am planning on going east on I-70, then south >on I-35 to Perry. Hence the Rand McNally comment!!!! > >I crack me up some times :) > >Ron Lee > Bad! Bad! choice of words!(ie: Assuming I make it....I crack me up). That's not the Ron "The Silver-Tongue Devil" Lee that we all know and love so well. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 21:25:38 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Re: Gathering & Sectional >Bad! Bad! choice of words!(ie: Assuming I make it....I crack me up). That's >not the Ron "The Silver-Tongue Devil" Lee that we all know and love so well. > Bobby Muse(N122B) > bmuse@mindspring.com Moi....."silver-tongued"? HA! I still have not flown 133RM. The assumed easy to lengthen seat sling project is taking longer than desired. First it was a hassle to remove. I had to rip out the small parts container behind the pax seat to get to the bolts. Benefit is that it is a few ounces AFT of the CG that are gone. Also removed the ELT and intend to move it forward. That will help the CG a smidgen. Last weeks taildragger lesson was cancelled due to weather. Rescheduled for tomorrow at 0630 (ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ). Plan on getting main wheel landings down. Then get the seat sling sewn Tuesday (maybe), reinstalled, do more taxi tests and MAYBE, fly next weekend. Time to get proficient is rapidly getting smaller. One good thing...I now have a passable Operating manual. The electrical schematics and CG figures are invalid but otherwise is ok for now. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 23:00:09 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: KR: Re: Gathering & Sectional > >Moi....."silver-tongued"? HA! I still have not flown 133RM. The >assumed easy to lengthen seat sling project is taking longer than desired. > >First it was a hassle to remove. I had to rip out the small parts container >behind the pax seat to get to the bolts. Benefit is that it is a few >ounces AFT of the CG that are gone. Also removed the ELT and intend to move >it forward. That will help the CG a smidgen. > >Last weeks taildragger lesson was cancelled due to weather. Rescheduled for >tomorrow at 0630 (ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ). Plan on getting main wheel landings >down. > >Then get the seat sling sewn Tuesday (maybe), reinstalled, do more taxi >tests and MAYBE, fly next weekend. Time to get proficient is rapidly >getting smaller. > >One good thing...I now have a passable Operating manual. The electrical >schematics and CG figures are invalid but otherwise is ok for now. > >Ron Lee > Keep slogging away at it Ron. You'll get to it when you're ready. Hope you're ready to fly it to Perry, but don't push things on that account. Flew my KR down to Belen for breakfast last weekend. Met up with some of Roy's pals. They said he bought himself a Bonanza. Guess he wants his son to fly with him and the KR wasn't big enough for the pair of them. At least these guys recognized what my plane was without a guessing game. Your humor slipped by me the first time with the IFR routes too. Of course I was thinking the same thing with the Texaco Road maps, but you beat me to it. :o) So, since I can't seem to find a Wichita sectional in my files any newer than 1985, does Perry still have 3 open and useable runways? Jeff "Only the latest in maps" Scott - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 23:17:40 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Re: Gathering & Sectional >So, since I can't seem to find a Wichita sectional in my files any newer >than 1985, does Perry still have 3 open and useable runways? > >Jeff "Only the latest in maps" Scott I see 3 runways on the sectional but in some airport guide I recall an "X" on two of the runways. I hope that is not true because I need more than one runway to complete a typical landing or take-off. Here at Meadowlake we have the main N/S runway, a parallel glider strip and the E/W runway. In a pinch, there is also an ultra-light runway that extends north to Cessna drive. So I really have four bubba class runway equivalents :) Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 11:07:45 -0400 (EDT) From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Cooling idea In a message dated 97-08-17 04:05:14 EDT, you write: << Check the top of the home page for the cooling concept using the fan. >> Looks slick! Would there be some exit port available in a more low pressure area or could you create one by flaring out the cowling somewhere kind of like I've seen on some Ercoupes? Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:33:45 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Cooling idea At 11:07 AM 8/17/97 -0400, you wrote: Looks slick! Would there be some exit port available in a more low >pressure area or could you create one by flaring out the cowling somewhere >kind of like I've seen on some Ercoupes? > >Jim Hayward That is probably the lowest pressure area on the airplane, (forward of the windshield). Take a look at pressure graphs on most any single engine airplane and you will see that the high pressure is just under the spinner and the lowest pressure is about half the distance from the leading edge of the cowling to the windshield. Just in front of the windshield is a very high pressure area but in front of that,.. its pretty low, plus heat rises so why fight the common laws? :o) Mr. Rutan uses this method on a few of his designs. Take a look at the Defiant or go to my Chino page and check out the Boomerang. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / _\/\/_ _____/_//\\_\_____ F-117 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:19:23 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: KR: Spinner Problems Netheads and builders. On this mornings preflight I found that I have cracked the second spinner on my plane. :o( I believe the crux of the problem is that I am using a reversed rear bulkhead (edge faces forward) because my prop fits too close to the front of the cowling to allow for a standard rear facing bulkhead. The flange of the forward facing bulkhead has to be cut down to make room for the prop blades creating a weak area in the bulkhead. The problem is worsened by the fact that my prop has a very large hub, so the manufacturer won't/can't build me a forward bulkhead to hold the spinner out in place. The best fix is to change to a 1 inch longer prop extension so I can use a standard spinner/bulkhead installation. So, if anyone has a 4" SAE-1 prop extension for a Continental engine they would like to swap for a 3" prop extension, contact me by private e-mail. In the interem, I guess I'll be limited to a skull cap type of spinner unless somebody comes up with a good fix for me. Later, Jeff - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 12:59:07 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: KR: Perry Flymarket KR Builders, Here are some items I'm planning to take to the flymarket in Perry. They are leftovers from my project, mostly parts that were purchased by the guy who started the project with the intent of using a VW and then a Subaru engine. I ended up with a Continental. If any of this stuff piques your interest, drop me an e-mail to hold it for you or look me up at the flymarket. Probes, etc that are not with the instrument are readily available through Wicks, Aircraft Spruce, or Skysports. Westach Dual EGT, No probes. $50. Westach 100 - 260 degree F. water or oil temp guage. No sending unit. $20 Skysports electric Tach. 0 - 3500 RPM. Runs from Magneto or coil. $65 4 - 14mm (VWsize) CHT Probes. for Skysports/Westach CHT. $7 each. Electric Turn coordinator. Rebuilt by Kelly Instruments. $180 Cowling for VW on KR-2. Vinylester resin. Built by vacuum bagging in female mold. $200 Glass Wheel pants for 11x4x5 Lamb tires on KR. $100 for the pair. regards, Jeff "parts for sale, get your parts here" Scott - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:18:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Krwr1@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Spinner Problems HI Jeff Check and see if your prop is tracking,that will make a spinner crack. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:29:10 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Spinner Problems At 01:19 PM 8/17/97 -0600, you wrote: The problem is worsened by the fact that my prop has a very large hub, so the manufacturer won't/can't build me a forward bulkhead to hold the >spinner out in place. Yep I think your gona find without a forward bulkhead (mounted forward of the prop) you gona get cracks. A fix that I have seen on a few planes up north, was to weld a piece of aluminum tubing to the crush plate (assuming its aluminum also) and then riveting another piece inside the nose section of the spinner that will slide into the one welded to the crush plate. The fit should be fairly tight and the tubing needs to be as long as possible, the longer the better. Also the tubing on the crush plate needs to be fairly thick wall. Does that make sense? PS If the fit isn't tight enough I have seen guys use duct tape on the tubes to get a better fit. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / _\/\/_ _____/_//\\_\_____ F-117 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 17:11:29 -0700 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Cooling idea Micheal Mims wrote: > > At 11:07 AM 8/17/97 -0400, you wrote: > Looks slick! Would there be some exit port available in a more low > >pressure area or could you create one by flaring out the cowling somewhere > >kind of like I've seen on some Ercoupes? > > > That is probably the lowest pressure area on the airplane, (forward of the > windshield). Take a look at pressure graphs on most any single engine > airplane and you will see that the high pressure is just under the spinner > and the lowest pressure is about half the distance from the leading edge of > the cowling to the windshield. Just in front of the windshield is a very > high pressure area but in front of that,.. its pretty low, plus heat rises > so why fight the common laws? :o) This is all true but it has the drawback that a cooling air exit in that location, together with an oil leak, will cover the windshield. Just one more consideration in a long line of compromises. - -- Don Reid donreid@erols.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:50:52 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Spinner Problems On Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Krwr1@aol.com writes: >HI Jeff > > > Check and see if your prop is tracking,that will make a spinner >crack. > Bill > Thanks Bill, The prop tracks perfectly and the engine runs smooth with no vibration. I think Mike is right in that with no front bulkhead and the rear bulkhead cut out around the prop blades (flange faces forward) and with large cutouts in the spinner for the prop blades, the rear bulkhead tends to push back from the air pressure then cracks. In three hours of flight time the rear bulkhead has bowed back and cracked in one place. And the spinner is cracked in two places. The first spinner was glass, but was a poor design with just a single bulkhead in the front, but no rear bulkhead to hold the two halves (on either side of the prop blades) together. The spinner literally tore itself in half due to the centrifical force in the first 40 minute flight of the plane. Jeff - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 17:01:20 -0700 From: Robert Maniss Subject: KR: KR-2 Gear Castings, etc. First, thanks for all the responses to my spar cap questions. Feel like I'm back on track again. Now, anyone out there changed his mind about landing gear and have a set of original landing gear castings and aluminum bar you want to dispose of? If so, please let me know your price. Thanks, - - Bob Maniss ejrem@worldnet.att.net fax 915-676-2498 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:36:10 From: Ron Lee Subject: KR: Need help with KR Operating Handbook???? I just went through the document that Randy sent me and it is closer to a KR version. If the folks working on one have not progressed far and would like my revised version, I will be happy to send it. It is in Windows Write format. The biggest deficiencies are that the CG figures/info , electrical schematic need to be revised and the preflight checklist is probably a bit out of order. It is also currently geared towards a taildragger but with little additional words could work for trikes as well. Also, values need to be verified. If interested, I will forward a Zipped copy. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:57:29 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Spinner Problems >Yep I think your gona find without a forward bulkhead (mounted forward of >the prop) you gona get cracks. A fix that I have seen on a few planes up >north, was to weld a piece of aluminum tubing to the crush plate (assuming >its aluminum also) and then riveting another piece inside the nose section >of the spinner that will slide into the one welded to the crush plate. The >fit should be fairly tight and the tubing needs to be as long as possible, >the longer the better. Also the tubing on the crush plate needs to be >fairly thick wall. Does that make sense? > >PS If the fit isn't tight enough I have seen guys use duct tape on the tubes >to get a better fit. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims DUCT TAPE! Did I hear DUCT TAPE? If so then you need a NADTE specialist to help you. It so happens that I am the NADTE Head Honcho Super-duper Engineer. If you need any advise, email me. Ron Lee PS NADTE = National Association of Duct Tape Engineers Jeff, how are you going to get a cowling and wheel pants in your plane? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 17:37:33 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Cooling idea At 05:11 PM 8/17/97 -0700, you wrote: >This is all true but it has the drawback that a cooling air exit in that >location, together with an oil leak, will cover the windshield. Just one >more consideration in a long line of compromises. >-- >Don Reid >donreid@erols.com > Uhh... OK! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / _\/\/_ _____/_//\\_\_____ F-117 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 17:43:13 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Gear Castings, etc. At 05:01 PM 8/17/97 -0700, you wrote: >First, thanks for all the responses to my spar cap questions. Feel like >I'm back on track again. Now, anyone out there changed his mind about >landing gear and have a set of original landing gear castings and >aluminum bar you want to dispose of? If so, please let me know your >price. Thanks, > >- Bob Maniss ejrem@worldnet.att.net fax 915-676-2498 You'll be sorry! :o) Seriously , Why would you want to go through the installation? 90% of the guys with retract take them back off! You wont go any faster but you will look good! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / _\/\/_ _____/_//\\_\_____ F-117 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 97 13:22:20 UT From: "Jane Link" Subject: RE: KR: Re: KR Gathering Wait a minute....I'm a svelt builder of a KR-2S. Well at least petite builder. And I'd go for a ride to Perry except my company asked for my assistance in Japan during the fly-in dates...and then some. Better luck next year--hopefully in my own completed plane. You do have a point about the low population of women builders...there are not many. Recently either Sport Plane or Experimenter magazine featured about 1/2 dozen women with work in progress, or completed projects. I've also recently learned that there's a women's builder network trying to get started, but again, work keeps getting in the way these activities. These trips to Japan are taking a big hunk out of the warm weather building season. The 900 e-mails in the inbox isn't helping either, but there is some good stuff there, so I'm checking them all out. I hope your comment fires up some other women who may be out there lurking...come on ladies, time's awasting. This isn't that tough, just take your time, study the plans and have a clear picture of what you're going to do before you start wacking away at stuff. Just a quick(?) progress report on my own project-the boat is together and I just put the gussets for the firewall supports in. The firewall area is almost complete except for the top shelf and the webs on the sides between the shelves. The spars are all complete and wing attach fitting holes drilled. The center spars are in place but not attached yet until I'm satisfied that my angle of incidence is just where I want it. Time to call my tech counselor and get an opinion. The horizontal stab is ready to foam and cover, as well as the elevator. After the top rib for the rudder is in place (this weekend?) it will be ready to foam and cover as well. All the holes for the hinges are drilled and a couple of backup plates still need fabrication. The hinges for the ailerons are complete and the brackets for the rudder and elevator cable pulley assemblies are ready as well. The rudder pedals and mounting hardware are complete, although recently I've decided to redrill the holes that provide pedal rotation on the bars, and install bushings. It seems that sharp edges of the aluminum pedal support may wear away those bars fairly easily. As soon as the spars are in place I can finish the seat mount...which by the way. Is the 1/8" thick bracket really necessary to support the tube that holds the aft seat in place? Other odds and ends include rough cut ribs for the wings and the center spar is drilled for the landing gear to be mounted (tri-gear version). One more item before permanently mounting the aft center spar is making a decision about where to attach the seat belt and drilling those holes on the drill press rather than dangling upside down, hoping for a straight hole through the spar. I forked out the dough for premolded parts since I couldn't see the educational value of all that sanding. Building is fun, I'm already thinking of my next project...but I'd really like to get this plane in the air and enjoy going places and meeting people. The Subaru engine is my first choice, followed by a Hirth. Cost vs weight vs horsepower. Hmmm. And in keeping with the earlier request for location to accompany e-mails, I'm in Colorado, flying out of Centenial(APA), at the south extreme of Denver. 5800' elevation. Hope more women join the fray! Jane Sedalia, Colorado - ---------- From: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com on behalf of brian whatcott Sent: Thursday, July 17, 1997 10:27 AM To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR Gathering At 08:41 7/17/97 -0600, Ron wrote: >... >Might even be able to give some svelte, female KR wannabe builders a ride. > >Oops, there don't seem to be any female builders...of anything. Why is that? > >Ron Lee > Some folks argue that women have a more natural outlet for the creative drive, from which men are for ever barred. Regards brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:48:00 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: wing attach fitting holes Jane Link wrote: > One more > item before permanently mounting the aft center spar is making a decision > about where to attach the seat belt and drilling those holes on the drill > press rather than dangling upside down, hoping for a straight hole through the > spar. Jane, I made a tool like the plans detail for drilling those fittings, except I made them out of wood, since I didn't have any thick steel laying around, OR a way to cut it. I used Mahogony, since I had some left over from last Christmas's clock presents, because I figured the tight grain would keep it dimensionally stable, but probably anything would do. I used the drill press and a 12" 1/4" bit to drill the hole thru the 2 x 6 block, and epoxied a piece of 3/16" .028" 4130 steel into the block. I then cut out a clearance hole for the spar, just like the picture in the plans, except now you've got a block of wood with a piece of tubing sticking out of each end. Use it as described in the plans and it works perfectly. My drill press is too flaky for something this important. Using this tool, you KNOW where the bolt will go, on BOTH sides. I took a picture a few days ago to put on my web site, and will post it when the pictures come back in a few days. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:56:06 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: fan cooling The five pounds I quoted earlier for the Type 4 fan is only for the fan. I'll bet the aluminum plenum that surrounds it weighs another 10, at least. The type 3 would be different, of course, and I don't have one of those around. I picked up my Type 4 this weekend from it's resting place in my father's hay field. Will be ordering lots of exotic goodies for it shortly. I figure the tin cooling shrouds are just about perfect molds for their carbon fiber replacements, and on the Type 4 they even face forward for perfect ram air placement. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 19:11:26 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: wing attach fitting holes At 08:48 PM 8/17/97 -0500, you wrote: >Jane Link wrote: > >> One more >> item before permanently mounting the aft center spar is making a decision about where to attach the seat belt and drilling those holes on the drill press rather than dangling upside down, hoping for a straight hole through the spar. I used the same bolts that hold the adel clamp, the ones that you mount the piece of aluminum tubing too for the sling seat. That's what the plans said to do and it works pretty good! Imagine that! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / _\/\/_ _____/_//\\_\_____ F-117 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:03:33 -0800 From: "Parley T. Byington" Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Gear Castings, etc. I have retractable landing gear and beg to differ with Mike, I routinely cruise at 165 mph and noticed a 35 to 40 mph increase between gear up and gear down. I also have the original aluminum spring bar which I replaced with a 1 inch thick version. If you are interested in the 3/4 inch original let me know. I found that every KR-2 that I seen which used the 3/4 version spring bar was bowing outboard from the weight. I have had no problems with the 1 inch version. Thanks Parley N54PB On 17 Aug 97 at 17:43, Micheal Mims wrote: > At 05:01 PM 8/17/97 -0700, you wrote: > >First, thanks for all the responses to my spar cap questions. Feel like > >I'm back on track again. Now, anyone out there changed his mind about > >landing gear and have a set of original landing gear castings and > >aluminum bar you want to dispose of? If so, please let me know your > >price. Thanks, > > > >- Bob Maniss ejrem@worldnet.att.net fax 915-676-2498 > > > You'll be sorry! :o) > > Seriously , Why would you want to go through the installation? 90% of the > guys with retract take them back off! You wont go any faster but you will > look good! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com > http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand > > \ / > _\/\/_ > _____/_//\\_\_____ > > F-117 > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:28:07 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Gear Castings, etc. At 08:03 PM 8/17/97 -0800, you wrote: >I have retractable landing gear and beg to differ with Mike, I >routinely cruise at 165 mph and noticed a 35 to 40 mph increase between gear up and gear down. 165 mph , that's what the fixed gear KR2s cruise at so what are you differing with? :o) Does RR sell the retracts anymore? If not I think that would be telling me something. Don't forget, your retracts in the down position have A LOT more drag than the fixed gear. The retracts in the up position have about the same drag as the fixed gear. Besides the retracts are just too short, there's not enough ground clearance for anything much more then a 52 inch prop. You cant install real brakes, and your stuck using the phoney tail wheel. But I guess that's OK on a KR2. And of course the cool factor is high! PS Troy Petteway won another race in his FIXED gear KR2 at Sun and Fun! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / _\/\/_ _____/_//\\_\_____ F-117 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:55:14 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Spinner Problems - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > >DUCT TAPE! Did I hear DUCT TAPE? If so then you need a NADTEspecialist to >help you. It so happens that I am the NADTE Head Honcho Super-duper Engineer. > >If you need any advise, email me. > >Ron Lee > >PS NADTE = National Association of Duct Tape Engineers Been there, done that. flew my Starduster for 2 years with duct tape repairs on the right wing after hitting a stump during a landing, but then that's another story. > >Jeff, how are you going to get a cowling and wheel pants in your plane? > More DUCT TAPE! :o0 Stuff some in the Hummelbird! :o) Well, Actually since I can't get John in the plane with me, he'll be driving. As long as he's driving, he might as well haul my parts to Perry. Later, Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:27:53 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: KR: Re: KR Gathering Gee, Ron. Now you know there is a potential builder/passenger out there. Sounds to me like you, Jane and I need to organize a KR builders, fliers, flight breakfast at Meadowlake some nice morning this fall. We can get together to repeat all of our usual lies. :o) If we can get John and Jane flying, we'll have a major KR presence here in the Rockies. What do you say, KR Gathering for Meadowlake in '98. I'll nominate you to host. Heck, we can all stay at your place since you live right next to the airport. You've got room for a couple of hundred don't you? - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Sun, 17 Aug 97 13:22:20 UT "Jane Link" writes: >Wait a minute....I'm a svelt builder of a KR-2S. Well at least petite >builder. And I'd go for a ride to Perry except my company asked for my >assistance in Japan during the fly-in dates...and then some. Better luck next >year--hopefully in my own completed plane. You do have a point about the low >population of women builders...there are not many. Recently either Sport >Plane or Experimenter magazine featured about 1/2 dozen women with work in >progress, or completed projects. I've also recently learned that there's a >women's builder network trying to get started, but again, work keeps getting >in the way these activities. These trips to Japan are taking a big hunk out >of the warm weather building season. The 900 e-mails in the inbox isn't >helping either, but there is some good stuff there, so I'm checking them all >out. ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #76 ****************************