From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, December 08, 1997 12:39 PM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n082' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #82 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Wednesday, August 27 1997 Volume 01 : Number 082 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 08:56:31 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: weight and balance >>Thanks for the advice. At this point, all advice and encouragement are >>warmly accepted. >>I found a fellow in Fernandina Beach that has offered to give me some >>stick time in his KR on Sunday. >> >>Tom "preflight jitters" Crawford >>tomc@afn.org >>Gainesville, FL >> > > >Do't worry. There's no reason to get in a hurry now. I taxied every >weekend for three months before I left the ground(on purpose). You will be >rewarded for all the hard work. > >Like someone had already said "just bring pictures to this KR Gathering". > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX > I second Bobby's comment. I still have not flown 133RM. Part of the delay is due to getting the requisite taildragger proficiency flying in and the rest due to having to fix things. Thursday I finally got the seat sling fixed (the fiberglass option looks better all the time). Then as I was reinstalling it, I exacerbated a splitting of the 1/2" square piece of wood that the bolts go through. As we speak, a reinforcement strip of wood is floxing itself underneath the splitting wood. Used a hypo needle to squirt epoxy into the split areas. So another weekend passes where I do not fly. Sigh. But it will happen when it is time. Unfortunately, anymore big delays may preclude my IFR trip to Perry. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:38:28 -0400 (EDT) From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Can a fresh PPL handle it ? In a message dated 97-08-24 04:00:05 EDT, you write: << How much shop floor space do I need to build a KR-1? I live in an apartment, and I'll likely have to rent a space somewhere. Fred Lewis >> My shop is 11'X25' and was taken from part of my 2-car garage. It has worked pretty well for me but I'll have to find a larger area when I'm ready to attach the wings. My work table is 4'X16' and I have room for a Shopsmith, radial arm saw, some parts bins, and an old kitchen table. It gets somewhat cramped at times but is workable. Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:52:35 -0400 (EDT) From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: KR: Wing Incidence Since I'm not too far from setting the incidence I wanted to find out if anyone using the Diehl wing skins has changed their incidence to less than the 3.5 degrees recommended and if so did it change the way the skins fit or cause any other problems? I feel like I'd like to put the incidence around 2 degrees or so. Inquiring minds want to know..... Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:29:18 -0700 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Wing attachment fittings bmsi@ix.netcom.com wrote: > Donald Reid wrote: > >The wood will stretch more that the steel under the same load. > > To make sure my visualizer is in order. I understand the strength of > the wood is along the fibers in bending. Is that what you mean by > stretch? > Bruce S. Campbell > Tampa > bmsi@ix.netcom.com I'm not sure about the question so I'll do the best I can. If you pull on the fibers, they stretch. Same for steel, fiberglass, etc. Just at different amounts. Push and they get shorter. In a simple beam, solid material, like the elevator spars, half of the fibers will be in tension (pulled on) and half will be in compression (squeezed). Under a load, the beam bends and forms a curve. The inside of the curve is the part in compression. The part on the outside of the curve is in tension. The part in the middle is not stressed at all. In a box spar (or similar), one spar cap will be in tension and the other will be in compression. The plywood shear web carried the shear load. An example of shear is the force that would change a rectangle into a parallelpiped (I think that is spelled right) by pushing on one corner. In the box spar, the wing attachment fittings transfer the tensile and compressive forces along the gap in the spar caps. My kids don't ask me many questions 'cause the answers are so long! - -- Don Reid donreid@erols.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:22:19 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Monte's Newsletter In a message dated 97-08-23 15:11:13 EDT, Jim Hayward wrote: << << Having said that, I can't help but wonder how he managed to devote the entire front page to the upcoming KR Gathering and Randy's forum efforts without a single mention of KRNet. >> Especially when it looked like it was word for word from a portion of a post on the KRNet a few weeks ago. That was disappointing. >> Gee Jim: Now my feelings are hurt! NOT...I spoke with Monte a numbers of times and sent him one flyer by snail mail AND a letter with the agenda recently. I was very pleased with his support. Now I know why he was asking me if I was a subscriber. Maybe he wanted to support the Gathering without letting KRNet in on the glory. Too bad for him if he is so short sighted. Remember, Monte has never been to a gathering. He didn't even expect to come to this one until Don and I pestered him a bit. He also mentioned to me that it would be a chance for him to boost his readership and ($$$$) I mean, be more pofitable. Now he seems to have "found religion" and is coming to promote the newsletter. He is doing a session on Saturday. I'll bet his presentation efforts will rachet up a few notches after he sees what the KRNet types do in regards to material and information. I little pressure from the KRNet rats 'ought to keep him on his toes (faster rats). The mail flyer shows KRNet (450+ were mailed), as well as the name badges. Plus almost every presenter has a net connection and supports KRNet. I guess until they get 'lectricity telerphones in the far reaches of KR Newsletterland, we'll just have to muddle along with our 24 hour response time on the net without all of these newsletter reader/builders and their 2 month response times helping us. I suspect 'ol Monte is going to be very, very tired of me and the rest of you guys talking KRNet all of our waking hours (hint, hint)... Ernie Koppe (long time KRNewsletter publisher) and his wife are coming and will speak Friday night at Jim's After BBQ Session #106. He has many stories to share, although I doubt they will be as colorful as he has shared privately with some of us. I've talked him into signing onto KRNet! Thanks to Mike Mims for planting the seeds in regards to Ernie coming back to the fold. This gathering thing is going to be a kick! Don't forget your videos, building and flying, your photographs/project books and anything else that is connected to KR building and flying. This is our chance to learn and share. The synergy will be incredible... (Rattl'ng) Randy Stein BSHARD@aol.com Santa Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:42:01 -0700 From: bmsi@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: KR: Wing attachment fittings Donald Reid wrote: > > bmsi@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > Donald Reid wrote: > > >The wood will stretch more that the steel under the same load. > > > > To make sure my visualizer is in order. I understand the strength of > > the wood is along the fibers in bending. Is that what you mean by > > stretch? > > Bruce S. Campbell > > Tampa > > bmsi@ix.netcom.com > > I'm not sure about the question so I'll do the best I can. > > If you pull on the fibers, they stretch. Same for steel, fiberglass, etc. > Just at different amounts. Push and they get shorter. > > In a simple beam, solid material, like the elevator spars, half of the fibers > will be in tension (pulled on) and half will be in compression (squeezed). > Under a load, the beam bends and forms a curve. The inside of the curve is > the part in compression. The part on the outside of the curve is in tension. > The part in the middle is not stressed at all. > > In a box spar (or similar), one spar cap will be in tension and the other > will be in compression. The plywood shear web carried the shear load. An > example of shear is the force that would change a rectangle into a > parallelpiped (I think that is spelled right) by pushing on one corner. > > In the box spar, the wing attachment fittings transfer the tensile and > compressive forces along the gap in the spar caps. > > My kids don't ask me many questions 'cause the answers are so long! > -- > Don Reid > donreid@erols.com Don, Perfect answer--at least as I envisioned your explanation the first go around. I could have been clearer with my question but I'm Scottish-American in this era of hyphenated, potitically correct wherever we came from -- that means frugal with many things including words. Again thanks. Bruce S. Campbell Tampa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:03:23 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: More options More filler and epoxy options, check out: http://www.polyfiber.com/epoxy/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / _\/\/_ _____/_//\\_\_____ F-117 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:04:55 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Another web site Maybe a KR is too fast for you? Check out these units, sometimes low and slow is just as much fun! http://www.glness.com/fisher/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / _\/\/_ _____/_//\\_\_____ F-117 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:12:33 -0400 From: smithr Subject: Re: KR: Wing attachment fittings Donald Reid wrote: (about wing attach fittings and load) > If you pull on the fibers, they stretch. Same for steel, fiberglass, etc. > Just at different amounts. Push and they get shorter. > > In a simple beam, solid material, like the elevator spars, half of the fibers > will be in tension (pulled on) and half will be in compression (squeezed). > Under a load, the beam bends and forms a curve. The inside of the curve is > the part in compression. The part on the outside of the curve is in tension. > The part in the middle is not stressed at all.. As I was constructing my main spar, it seemed to me that the weak spot in the whole thing was from splitting of the wood by the bolts which are all in a line. The only thing stopping this is the ply web. Is there any concern here? Bob Smith KR2S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:20:33 -0400 From: smithr Subject: Re: KR: Wing Incidence JEHayward@aol.com wrote: > > Since I'm not too far from setting the incidence I wanted to find out if > anyone using the Diehl wing skins has changed their incidence to less than > the 3.5 degrees recommended and if so did it change the way the skins fit or > cause any other problems? I feel like I'd like to put the incidence around 2 > degrees or so. Inquiring minds want to know..... > > Jim Hayward The relation of incidence of wing to incidence of horiz. stabilizer is very important. As you may know, this is what is supposed to pull you out of a dive automatically. Currently, per plans, the wing is +3.5 deg, hstab is 0 deg or a difference of 3.5 deg. I ,also, would like to reduce the wing incidence about 1 deg. but don't know if it is a good idea to make the hstab -1 deg. I have been advised by a very reliable source to not change the 3.5 deg difference. Be advised that lowering the wing incidence will reduce your overnose visibility. Bob Smith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:00:02 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Re: Is KRNET WORKING Peter, I recieved your email. Just in case Teleport has a problem getting "down-under" these days, I've copied the email to KRNET. You should get both messages. (I just re-added you to the list just in case I pulled you for bounced email). -- Ross Peter Leonard wrote: > > Ross > I seem to be having trouble with KRNET again. Could you please help > to get it fix. I checked with Micheal Mims and have received a message from > him, see below. > > Hear from you soon. > > Regards > > Peter Leonard > > At 09:30 PM 8/24/97 +1000, you wrote: > >Micheal > > Could you please tell me if KRNET is working. I have not received > >any messages for a couple of days now. > > > >Regards > > > >Peter Leonard > > I have only received 10 or so messages including 5 this morning. If your > not receiving any at all something could be wrong. Maybe give Ross a holler! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 17:03:40 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Re: Wing Incidence Bob Hayward wrote: > Since I'm not too far from setting the incidence I wanted to find out if > anyone using the Diehl wing skins has changed their incidence to less than > the 3.5 degrees recommended and if so did it change the way the skins fit or > cause any other problems? I feel like I'd like to put the incidence around 2 > degrees or so. Inquiring minds want to know..... Like Bob says, you'll have to change tail incidence as well. Another factor is washout. I'm using 1.5 degrees of washout with 1 degree of incidence with a different airfoil (but with similar lift properties) and stability analysis indicates a tail incidence of -.5 degrees. I haven't really looked at the RAF48 (dismissed it early on), but Kevin Kelly says you need around 2 degrees of difference between the two, which is about standard I think. But there are a lot more factors involved (like washout, propwash, fuselage effects, canopy effects, gear effects..., so you might think about making your horizontal stabilizer adjustable like mine. It's easy and doesn't weigh much. See my web page below under "Mark Langford's KR2S", and then to "Horizontal stabilizer", I think. I suppose I need to detail some plans for it and put them out there, but the pictures tell the story. Having said all of this, I know of some folks (Adrian Carter, Roy Marsh) who lowered their incidences, but don't know if they changed the horizontal stabilizer angle at all. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford - ---------- > From: JEHayward@aol.com > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: Wing Incidence > Date: Sunday, August 24, 1997 10:52 AM > > Since I'm not too far from setting the incidence I wanted to find out if > anyone using the Diehl wing skins has changed their incidence to less than > the 3.5 degrees recommended and if so did it change the way the skins fit or > cause any other problems? I feel like I'd like to put the incidence around 2 > degrees or so. Inquiring minds want to know..... > > Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:22:57 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Webpage Woes BSHADR@aol.com wrote: > > > You'd be surprised the folks who Emailed me and they had never heard of KRNet > and wanted to sign on...then Ross's web page went down and I looked like a > dweeb...OK, OK, so I looked like a dweeb before Ross's help. But > nonetheless, it isn't fair that Ross gets to take vacations. I want to speak > to management - damn, I can't, NORAD (the top dog) is sleeping again. > Sorry about the vacation thing. I've talked to Teleport, but I need to do some follow up. Guess what... I'm on the road again. In Dallas, just down the road from Monte. If I have a chance I will drop off my subscription check for the newsletter. At any rate, if you are tired of hearing about me being out of town, guess what my wife thinks? I'm looking for a new job that will let me finish sanding my plane! -- Regards Ross Youngblood rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm (Hopefully the link is back in service Sorry!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:48:19 -0700 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Wing attachment fittings smithr wrote: > As I was constructing my main spar, it seemed to me that the weak spot > in the whole thing was from splitting of the wood by the bolts which are > all in a line. The only thing stopping this is the ply web. Is there any > concern here? > > Bob Smith KR2S As long as the minimum spacing is not violated, there is no affect on the strength. The KR design does not come close to the minimum, except for the bolts closest to the end of the spar cap, and there is some margin there. The plywood does contribute to the strength by preventing grain distortion, but that is all part of the design load, bolt spacing, and bolt configuration. Leaving out the plywood would reduce the load carrying a little, but probably not as much as you might think. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. donreid@erols.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:24:42 -0600 From: Adrian Carter Subject: Re: KR: Re: Wing Incidence Mark Langford wrote: > > Bob Hayward wrote: > > > Since I'm not too far from setting the incidence I wanted to find out > if > > anyone using the Diehl wing skins has changed their incidence to less > than > > the 3.5 degrees recommended and if so did it change the way the skins fit > or > > cause any other problems? I feel like I'd like to put the incidence > around 2 > > degrees or so. Inquiring minds want to know..... > > Like Bob says, you'll have to change tail incidence as well. Another > factor is washout. I'm using 1.5 degrees of washout with 1 degree of > incidence with a different airfoil (but with similar lift properties) and > stability analysis indicates a tail incidence of -.5 degrees. I haven't > really looked at the RAF48 (dismissed it early on), but Kevin Kelly says > you need around 2 degrees of difference between the two, which is about > standard I think. But there are a lot more factors involved (like washout, > propwash, fuselage effects, canopy effects, gear effects..., so you might > think about making your horizontal stabilizer adjustable like mine. It's > easy and doesn't weigh much. See my web page below under "Mark Langford's > KR2S", and then to "Horizontal stabilizer", I think. I suppose I need to > detail some plans for it and put them out there, but the pictures tell the > story. Having said all of this, I know of some folks (Adrian Carter, Roy > Marsh) who lowered their incidences, but don't know if they changed the > horizontal stabilizer angle at all. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > email at langford@hiwaay.net > KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > > ---------- > > From: JEHayward@aol.com > > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > > Subject: KR: Wing Incidence > > Date: Sunday, August 24, 1997 10:52 AM > > > > Since I'm not too far from setting the incidence I wanted to find out > if > > anyone using the Diehl wing skins has changed their incidence to less > than > > the 3.5 degrees recommended and if so did it change the way the skins fit > or > > cause any other problems? I feel like I'd like to put the incidence > around 2 > > degrees or so. Inquiring minds want to know..... > > > > Jim Hayward Hi Jim and Mark, The stab was left as is and no change, just the incidence was changed. I am happy with the way it flies. These small changes I don't think are at all that critical. Just get her flying, get her flying. Good Luck! - -- Adrian VE6AFY cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:29:55 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Test - Do not read Why did you open this message? I told you this was a test. Couldn't help yourself I suppose... :-) Randy Stein ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:53:55 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Wing attachment fittings At 12:12 PM 8/25/97 -0400, you wrote: >Donald Reid wrote: >(about wing attach fittings and load) >> If you pull on the fibers, they stretch. Same for steel, fiberglass, etc. >> Just at different amounts. Push and they get shorter. >> > >As I was constructing my main spar, it seemed to me that the weak spot >in the whole thing was from splitting of the wood by the bolts which are >all in a line. The only thing stopping this is the ply web. Is there any > concern here? > >Bob Smith KR2S > Apparently not, we, KR pilots, all are flying with attach fitting drilled straightline more or less. A real concern to me in this area is the tendency for everyone to over torque the wing attach fitting. It's real easy to overtighten these bolts due to the fact that they are so close together. By the time you tighten the whole row and then go back to the start..the first one is loose. JUST GO SLOW! Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:45:02 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Wing attachment fittings(test) At 03:53 PM 8/26/97 -0500, you wrote: test ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:59:41 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: dont read this!!! Couldn't help it could you! ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:01:55 -0400 (EDT) From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Monte's Newsletter Glad to hear Ernie got a modem for his computer. I wrote a couple of articles for the newsletter some time back and had to send them in by mail. I HAD planned on coming to the Gathering but priorities just wouldn't let it work out for me. I'm looking forward however on the reports I'm sure I'll see on the KRNet. Too bad the KR Newsletter and the KRNet can't share things. There would be so much material for the newsletter from the net. After all, there's still an awful lot of people who don't have/want a computer or maybe just are intimidated by them. The newsletter serves them well I'm sure. Monte could sure glean a lot of information for those subscribers from the KRNet. Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:14:46 -0400 (EDT) From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Another web site In a message dated 97-08-25 01:15:10 EDT, you write: << Maybe a KR is too fast for you? Check out these units, sometimes low and slow is just as much fun! http://www.glness.com/fisher/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims >> Here's a couple more. Looks like I'm getting a Challanger so I can still do some flying while I'm building the KR2-S. They claim 60 to 80 hours build time for it. The video looked pretty good, too. We lost an FBO here a while back due to an accident and lawyers. The one that replaced it doesn't have near the aircraft and since most of my flying is done spur-of-the-moment, I can't go as often because the aircraft are usually scheduled. My neighbor has graciously allowed me to use his pasture behind my house (4 acres deep) on the condition I not hit his house with him in it! It'll be nice to fly off my place early mornings or late afternoons for an hour or two and still be able to work on my KR. http://www.quadcitychallenger.com/ (Challanger) http://members.iex.net/~rael/kolb/index.html (Kolb) Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 06:21:41 +0700 From: "L.Palaniappan" Subject: Re: KR: Can a fresh PPL handle it ? At 08:32 AM 8/24/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Palani, I guess I fit into the area of an experienced KR pilot that did not >have much flight experience before I flew my own KR. I obtained a pilots >license because I wanted to build and fly my own airplane. > In 1972 I started taking flying lessons and became a private pilot 59 days >later with a total flying time of 43hrs. I flew my KR(N122B) a little over >twenty years later at which time I had a total a total of 71 total flying >hours(that's 28 hours spread out over 20 years). > I'm not sure how much flying time is needed to prepare you for your KR. I >practiced(slow and high speed taxi) on the ground for three months before I >finally got enough nerve up to leave the ground. > I flew with three different flight instructors in three weeks and everyone >told me to go fly my KR because I was really....I keep on just perpecting my >taxi. > When I I finally did leave the ground I dipped once and that was it. I was >then a KR pilot. I have felt at home in my KR ever since. > When your really and you know that you are ready for the KR then ther will >be no problem flying your KR. But you really need to learn to fly in some >other aircraft type first. > The KR is problem to fly, but will be flying it all the time. Since the >day I first flew my KR, I haven't flown any other type aircraft. IT'S GREAT! >By the way, I how have 264hrs in my KR. > > > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX > Thank you very much Bobby Muse for sharing with us your experience in flying your KR as a fresh ppl. The answer is exactly to the point. I am going to get my PPL because I want to build and fly a KR. I have zoomed in on this type because of the reasons everyone in this list would probably know. A KR2 was built here in Malaysia in the 80s, by the Air Force people, don't ask me for what objective. Later it ended up in a Mueseum, when it was damaged in a Landing accident. The fact is, the people who were associated with the building of this plane are members in our EAA (the one and only in ASEAN countries) presently. They are of the opinion that a KR is not a plane for fresh PPL, but they do not intend to stop me from building and flying one. Further I have inputs from this list that the KRs are not good IFR platforms, and you cannot fly them nearly hands off. Landing on grass strips is also not advisable it appears. The above are the reasons which prompted me to post the above question. But I have a feeling that I am going to build one and enjoy flying it. bye palani "I know ffff,0000,0000Nuts about 0000,0000,ffffPlanes and Next to0000,8080,8080 ffff,0000,0000Nothing about Soobs" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:28:45 -0400 (EDT) From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Wing Incidence In a message dated 97-08-25 15:37:21 EDT, you write: << I have been advised by a very reliable source to not change the 3.5 deg difference. Be advised that lowering the wing incidence will reduce your overnose visibility. Bob Smith >> I thought I remembered seeing a post a while back about KR's flying nose low at cruise/high speed because the incidence was set where it was. Did I misunderstand something? Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:35:35 -0400 (EDT) From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: KR: PSRU's I found this on the Subaru list and copied it in case some aren't aware of it... Jim Hayward - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------------------------------------------- Following is update on this homemade gear psru. We've got about 8 people who >are cc each other by email. Were going to see if we can do multiple versions >of gear units. I think we have resources to do it, but will be significant >challenge to blend various interests. Most important, we have two members who >have actually built such units. Additionally, one in building process, and I >will start building this winter. Some real action, not bs. >THE GOOD NEWS is that we will keep y'all appraised of what's happening. And >this WILL result in cad dwgs available for your review of gear psru. No one >is marketing anything. I would be suprised if dwgs not avail in < 2 mo's. >Personally I find it pretty exciting to have available psru that doesn't have >the inherent flaws of belt units and cost < $200. >-al wick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:25:58 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: KRNET Those of you who got my web address and found it disabled, should now find it active again: http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm I know this because I recieved two s*bs*ribe requests today from folks using my crude webpage form. I haven't seen my webpage recently due to laptop name server issues (which I don't want to think about or discuss). At least I can get email in the hotel. The KR gathering is looking to be a terrific event this year. I have not yet made my reservations for it, and am thinking that this weekend is my drop dead date. I will have to sift through the old emails to find the hotel phone number, if it isn't booked up solid with KR devotees. I've got enough frequent flyer miles to make it, but my wife and kids haven't seen much of me, so unless I fix that problem for the next three weeks, I have to stay home weekends. I'm a stone's throw from Monte Miller in Dallas tonight. Unfortunatly, I will be tied up all day tomorrow, then will be anxious to get home, so I probably won't see any KR's. -- Regards Ross Your humble KRNET admin rossy@teleport.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:41:30 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Test - Do not read Randy, I just couldn't help myself. ALSO... I've been told that KRNET email has been changed by the GODS of teleport to precidence "BULK" which tells the mailer not to try as hard to get the mail out. This is a good thing for me as sometimes it's hard for email to reach half way around the world. It used to try again in 4 hours when things were hung up, and every 4 hours after that, now it only re-tries every 12 hours instead. This means that your email might take a bit longer to show up on KRNET, but that your admin and teleport's mail system doesn't have to work so hard to send all of our messages around the world. If there was a problem say, in getting email to Turkey, I got an error email message every 4 hours until 5 days go by, then if by then things didn't go well, I got a final message saying it gave up. This happens for EVERY KRNET post when mail has problems which delay sending the mail more than 4 hours. So I had to check email a lot to remove them from my inbox. Now I will only get them every 12 hours, and things usually clear up within 12 hours. Some of the users with .au or .tr country suffixes might have wondered why I unsubscribed them occasionally, but after getting 20 emails for each post to KRNET to that address, I figure you are no longer home... This was just a test message, if this had been an actual emergency, you would have been to come over to my garage with 100 grit sandpaper and beer so that we can finish sanding my project. -- Ross BSHADR@aol.com wrote: > > Why did you open this message? I told you this was a test. Couldn't help > yourself I suppose... :-) > > Randy Stein ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 19:47:09 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: KR Cheap Airfares Netheads: This was on the Soob list. Thought you "last minute types" may want to see it. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Check out deep discount fares at www.bestfares.com For example, there was a $29 fare from DFW to Kansas City through Vanguard and American Airlines, and a $49 fare from Denver or Atlanta. The fares listed at this web site are extremely volatile and subject to change on an almost hourly basis, but the stuff they have got listed is phenomenally cheap. It's worth checking out these special deals, as well as the Internet Discount stuff that allows you to buy discounted tickets on Wednesdays for travel that weekend at a discount. Good luck! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:22:12 -0700 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Wing Incidence JEHayward@aol.com wrote: > << I have been advised by a very reliable source > to not change the 3.5 deg difference. Be advised that lowering the wing > incidence will reduce your overnose visibility. > I thought I remembered seeing a post a while back about KR's flying nose > low at cruise/high speed because the incidence was set where it was. Did I > misunderstand something? > > Jim Hayward This is a for what it is worth. I ran some numbers on the KR wing incidence and it looks to me like Ken planned on a fuselage level cruise condition of about 140 mph. At a reasonable cruise altitude and normal cruise weight, that is where everything balances. The level cruise condition increases by about 7 mph per 1000 feet due to the reduction in air density. These are calculations only and do not reflect actual flight conditions. Using the same set of numbers, and setting a high speed (220 mph) pass along the runway, it looks like about -2.5 degrees. - -- Don Reid donreid@erols.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:30:14 -0700 From: Donald Reid Subject: KR: Gap seals I deceided to make gap seals for the rudder and elevator and I wanted to share the method. It is looking really good and gives a nice finished look and should help reduce drag. I layed up two plies of 6 oz cloth on a piece of mylar (waxed paper would probably work as well) After it cured, I had a thin and flexible strip of rigid tape. I cut it to 1.75 inches wide and sanded the edges smooth. These were then glued to the horizontal and vertical stabilizers so that there was a 0.75 inch overlap on the rudder and elevator, both sides. Then I feathered with dry micro. - -- Don Reid donreid@erols.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:48:29 -0400 From: Patrick Flowers Subject: Re: KR: dont read this!!! Micheal Mims wrote: > > Couldn't help it could you! Has anyone else noticed that Mike and Randy have altogether too much free time on their hands? ;o) Patrick - -- Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:50:04 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: dont read this!!! At 09:48 PM 8/26/97 -0400, you wrote: >Micheal Mims wrote: >> >> Couldn't help it could you! > >Has anyone else noticed that Mike and Randy have altogether too much >free time on their hands? ;o) We do but actually the KRNET was not responding to any posting or commands and we were trying to figure out what was going on. (was it teleport or netcom?) The only test I could come up with was to send test postings to check routing. I had about ten that were returned stating the service was unavailable. Looks like its working now. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / _\/\/_ _____/_//\\_\_____ F-117 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 20:52:11 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Gap seals At 21:30 97/8/26 -0700, you wrote: >I deceided to make gap seals for the rudder and elevator and I wanted to >share the method. It is looking really good and gives a nice finished >look and should help reduce drag. > >I layed up two plies of 6 oz cloth on a piece of mylar (waxed paper would >probably work as well) After it cured, I had a thin and flexible strip >of rigid tape. I cut it to 1.75 inches wide and sanded the edges smooth. > These were then glued to the horizontal and vertical stabilizers so that >there was a 0.75 inch overlap on the rudder and elevator, both sides. >Then I feathered with dry micro. > >-- >Don Reid >donreid@erols.com > Pictures!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Por favor. Sounds interesting. I would have never thought of using BID (I assume) in such a manner. I also assume that the micro went on the FORWARD side of the strip (the stationary surface) Ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:40:14 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: KRNET At 03:25 PM 8/25/97 -0700, you wrote: > > The KR gathering is looking to be a terrific event this year. I >have not yet made my reservations for it, and am thinking that this >weekend is my drop dead date. I've got enough frequent flyer miles to make it, but >my wife and kids haven't seen much of me, so unless I fix that problem >for the next three weeks, I have to stay home weekends. > > > -- Regards > Ross > Ross, Don't go to the KR Gathering. You really do't need the motivation, do you? It will be the best KR experience of you life! Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 23:06:15 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR: dont read this!!! At 09:48 PM 8/26/97 -0400, you wrote: >Micheal Mims wrote: >> >> Couldn't help it could you! > >Has anyone else noticed that Mike and Randy have altogether too much >free time on their hands? ;o) > >Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net I think we're all getting a litttle punchy waiting for the Gathering dates to arrive. By the way, is anyone interested in sharing a van ride with me to the Gathering? I'm located southeast of Springfield, IL. Plan to drive Thursday nite or very early Friday morning. Return Sat. nite or Sunday morning. Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:46:57 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: KR: Wing Trim What are people using to attach the trim pieces that cover the crack between the wing and the wing stub? I made trim pieces out of 2 layers of 5oz. BID 3" wide. I would like to find something that does not create drag, and is not permanant, but will hold reliably. Seems that I heard someone mention using silicone to glue them down. Anyone had good luck doing this? Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:56:42 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: krnet It's been some time since I updated my KR webpage and I thought since it shows up in "Landings" now, we should spiff it up a bit. What I'm asking you for is the following as a KRNET member: I thought it would be nice to make a page containing thumnail photos of all the KRNET members & Email addresses, and a single shot of their project. If you don't want to be on the list, don't send anything. Please send me via EMAIL or SNAILMAIL the following stuff: 1) A MUG shot of yourself. 2) A MUG shot of your empty shop, your plans, project or tell me and I will snip a "GENERIC" KR1,KR2 or KR2S thumbnail to represent your project. 3) Your FULL name spelled correctly so I have a chance of messing this up. 4) Indicate whether you want me to post your EMAIL address, if you don't state anything I WILL NOT post your email address. This is to prevent SPAMMING I have software to handle most formats of photos, and will size them down to thumbnail size. If you don't have a digital photo, but are willing to send me photos for scanning, mail me your photos to: The KRNET virtual yearbook. c/o Ross Youngblood 1109 NE Burke Pl Corvallis OR 97330 Also I would appriciate comments & suggestions on how to clean up the website. Does anyone else get frustrated with the "FORMS" method? Also state what type of browser you use. I am a Netscape fan, so AOL & MS Explorer users may not be getting their moneys worth. At any rate, now that I've paid my ISP bill for the year, I thought I'd do some house cleaning. -- Regards Ross Youngblood Your Humble Administrator rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #82 ****************************