From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, December 08, 1997 12:44 PM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n092' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #92 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Monday, September 8 1997 Volume 01 : Number 092 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:19:58 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR: fuel line thickness? Donald Reid wrote: > Without running the numbers, I suspect you would have to have fuel injection > pressure greater than 100 psi to require the thicker material. I'm pushing 80 psi, which is why I asked. I don't want to use steel because of dissimilar metal corrosion considerations. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford - ---------- > From: Donald Reid > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: fuel line thickness? > Date: Sunday, September 07, 1997 9:45 PM > > Mark Langford wrote: > > > > You A&P types: > > > > Is there any reason why I can't use the thicker .049" 3/8" 5052-0 aluminum > > tubing rather than the normal .035" for my fuel lines? My fuel injection > > might need a larger margin. Speaking of which, does anyone know of a > > source for an inexpensive 37 degree flaring tool? I'd hate to spend 68$ > > for a tool that I'll use ten times, but I'll do it if I have to. And while > > on the subject, I gather that brakes are usually 3/16" tubing? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > email at langford@hiwaay.net > > KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > > Without running the numbers, I suspect you would have to have fuel injection > pressure greater than 100 psi to require the thicker material. > > Try your local EAA chapter for a tool, someone may have one you can borrow. > -- > Don Reid > donreid@erols.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 22:35:18 -0400 (EDT) From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Tech Counselor Inspections (was Kitplanes) In a message dated 97-09-07 22:07:56 EDT, you write: << << If you have at least three inspections documented over the course of building, AVEMCO will give you a price reduction on hull insurance, and will start it at the first flight. >> Is there some sort of form to fill out for the documentation or is it just in your record keeping and signed by the inspector? >> The form is an EAA Technical Counselor Report, and is formal documentation of the "inspection". The counselor fills it out, signs it, you sign it, and then send it in to the EAA for permanent filing. Make a copy of the form for your records before you send it in. I've had two done so far, one when I got the boat done and one before I closed my spars. I'll probably have 5 or 6 before I'm finished, the extra set of critical eyes never hurts. You need to understand that this "inspection" isn't really an inspection, but it does document the fact that you have had another expert evaluate your work, which is why the insurance companies give you a break. The idea was to fill the gap left when the FAA in-progress construction inspections were dropped from the FARs. Your local EAA chapter should be able to point you in the right direction, or call the EAA headquarters and ask for a list of technical counselors and flight counselors in you area. These people are all volunteers, and are a wealth of information. Cheers! Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:18:46 -0400 From: "Jim Daly" Subject: Re: KR: Kitplanes > Ross Youngblood wrote: > > Ouch... I have found Experimenter magazine to be rather weak in content, > I'm now getting the Tech counselor news, it's better, but thin. So this > looks like a terrific slam of Kitplanes magazine and Experimenter at > the same time... > > By the same token, if we would write articles for Kitplanes and or > Experimenter, we would all become famous and the content of the > magazines and the circulation numbers would improve dramaticly. > > > -- Ross > Hi, I'm new to the KRNet and have just been monitoring the messages over the last week or so. The problem of "TECHY" articles in special purposes magazines or newsletters is not a new one. I am a licensed pilot and an avid if not neurotic, pathological supporter and builder of Scale Radio Control (R/C) Miniature Aircraft. This problem has plagued the R/C model magazines as well. Everybody loves to read technical articles but nobody wants to write them! I guess everybody who is reading the magazine feels themselves a neophyte, unworthy of giving their two cents worth. But the thing that sustains a hobby whether it be R/C Kit building or Full-Scale kit building is the infusion of new and fresh ideas! So if you think that maybe you found a better way to do something or realize that nobody has ever tackled a particular subject before in your favorite magazine(s), go ahead give it a try... I did and boy does it ever feel neet when you see the issue of the magazine on the newsstand with the title of your article blazoned across the cover! If we all stooped to think about what ifs in our life time, nothing would ever get done. I do agree however Ross with your choice of holding off on your modified canopy article until you have proven it will work. I would suggest anyone publish anything that has not been proven to work without at least a heavy disclaimer stating that it is an unproven theory or design. Where would kitbuilt aircraft be today if every designer was scared to publish or offer their designs for fear of a potential legal suit some where down the line. The main problem are the lawyers that fight for and the Judges that when such a case comes to trial, award outlandish settlements to the plaintiffs. It's time we stopped hiding and wining and take some responsibility for our lives. Now don't get me wrong here! I do feel for the families of anyone who has lost a loved one to any form of accident whether it be in a car, boat or aircraft. But come on! Enough is enough already. We all went into this hobby with our eyes open did we not? I mean flying is after all considered a hazardous hobby by your local insurance company. But that's what they are there fore. To seek monetary compensation from everyone and anyone who ever uttered the word "FLYING" to husband, wife, son or daughter who just happens to parish in an aircraft ACCIDENT is ridiculous. How far back do you go? The guy that sold the plans? Or the farmer that grew the rubber tree that produced maybe what 1/1000 th of the raw material that went into making the tires on the aircraft...or the guy that sold him/her that just gota have leather flying jacket? COME ON!!!! OK! I think everyone will get my point now so I think I'll stop right here before I change my mind about even starting a homebuilt! NUFF SAID! Jim "MID-AIR" Daly rcscale@interlog.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 21:35:27 -0600 From: "Jeb" Subject: KR: KR Speeds and project update good point Jeff - Light and Clean on 1st attempt is worth shooting for though I just hope I can bring mine in under 700# bit of a challange with that Soob on the nose with radiator full electric and such. .............. my stub tanks now have capacitance level probes/senders installed . and -They dont leak! This was quite a chore since they should've been installed while building the tanks. Attaching the mounting flange to the tank wall was the hard part but Jeff went in thru the filler hole and using a bendable magnet shoved them bolts thru using flashlite and inspection mirror! I got all excited when UPS brought me a package which I thought was my canopy frame., Then found on opening that it was someone's DragonFly cowling!!! They still haven't tracked down my pkg!! We don't know if it was simple 2 pkg label switch or there were more than 2 pkgs involved!? Ahh-well I'm sure it'll turn up and get routed/forwarded to me. While I wait I think I'll change the lower 6 inches or so on the brake lines from plastic to metal - Heat from the brake disc and a leak and boom no more airplane, them plastic lines pop out of fittings sometimes. >The point is, that 180 cruise is possible, but few people are willing to >build their plane that light or clean and very few are capable of >building one that light on the first try. We all make compromises to the >design that usually costs us in weight and speed. The end result is >almost always the planes you'll see flying at the gathering. Few are as >ight or as fast as the specs call for, but most of the pilots would tell >you their's would be capable if they had built it lighter and/or cleaner. > >Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 20:42:14 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Fuel tanks in stub wings At 09:35 PM 9/7/97 -0600, you wrote: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:54:06 -0400 (EDT) From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: lawyers (no archive) ><< Ron " I wanna belong to a fringe element " Lee >> > >KRNet is a fringe element... > >Randy Heck, building a plane at home is a fringe element. So is flying, to most people. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:55:35 -0400 (EDT) From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: serial number >>Well, here I go making assumptions again. >>I assumed that they would not help a second party plans purchaser >>since I >>have read that other places would not provide any technical assistance >>unless >>you bought plans directly. This ensures that two or more planes are >>not >>built from one set of plans. Not much of a threat considering how much technical assistance they provide to begin with. I faxed them some questions when I first got my plans and never received even a form letter. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 21:14:50 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Fuel tanks in stub wings >At 09:35 PM 9/7/97 -0600, you wrote: >. >> my stub tanks now have capacitance level probes/senders installed >and -They dont leak! This was quite a chore since they should've been >>installed while building the tanks...... > > >I am getting ready to build fuel tanks in the stubs and was curious as to how much fuel yours hold. I am thinking I should be able to build a tank that will hold at least 7 gallons, for a total of 14 in the stubs and 17 in the header. If I can shoe horn that beast of an engine in the nose of this thing I will need enough fuel to stay aloft for more than 1.5 hours! :o) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / _\/\/_ _____/_//\\_\_____ F-117 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:16:09 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: airworthiness certificate Micheal Mims wrote: > > At 10:18 AM 9/7/97 -0800, you wrote: > >He was right concerning the trim tab. I changed mine to a spring setup > >on the control stick and used a RV type window crank to adjust the > >tension. It works so good that I did the same thing on the rudder. > > > >Thanks > >Parley > > > > HEY PARLEY!! > > How about sharing how its done! I myself don't like the plans trim system > and was just about to flox the piece that I cut out for the tab back in and > come up with something better! PLEASE share! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com > http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand > > \ / > _\/\/_ > _____/_//\\_\_____ > > F-117 Mike, I got some stick time in a KR that had a neat trim system that worked very well. It used a lead weight mounted to the stick on a short arm- maybe 3 inches going foreward. This was offset by a thick bungee cord attatched around the stick so that it can be moved up or down. The other end of the bungee is attatched back at the front of the main spar. You adjusted the trim by moving the cord up or down the stick. Worked very well. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:25:19 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: airworthiness certificate Micheal Mims wrote: > > At 09:22 AM 9/7/97 -0700, you wrote: > >2)He was very critical of the Ellison TBI. He said there have been > >numerous documented cases of airplanes becoming gliders because of the TBI. > He has personally lost 2 chapter members (as in now dead) because of it. He > said that head pressure is critical, and also, it does not > >tolerate air bubbles well. > > > > CONGRATULATIONS on the certification!! WOO HOO!!!!! > > The Ellison injector DOES need constant head pressure and some have found > they do not operate well on a gravity feed system with smaller fuel lines > (1/4 OD or smaller). My friend Brad has one on his Dragonfly (3/8 fuel > lines) and it works GREAT! Other Dragonfliers have had trouble ( 1/4 inch > fuel lines) and have installed fuel pumps and pressure regulators to cure > the problem. If you have 1/4 inch fuel lines I would install a fuel pump / > regulator before flying. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com > http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand > > \ / > _\/\/_ > _____/_//\\_\_____ > > F-117 Mike, The Ellison TBI's inlet fitting is 1/4", so I figured it would be simplest to make it all 1/4". I did install a fuel pump and have found that when the fuel tank is very low, the engine will not even start without the fuel pump on. What sort of regulator are you talking about? At this point I feel that some modification is in order, and am considering just changing it all over to 3/8" lines. Consider it a lesson learned. Hey, that's why we call it "experimental" right? Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:07:21 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Tires Does anyone here on the KRnet know a lot about tires? What is actually meant by 2-ply, 6-ply or 8-ply? Which is better and why? With 1000 to 1400 pound gross aircraft, which one should we use? Thanks, Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:23:12 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Tires In a message dated 97-09-08 10:44:05 EDT, Bobby wrote: << What is actually meant by 2-ply, 6-ply or 8-ply? Which is better and why? With 1000 to 1400 pound gross aircraft, which one should we use? Thanks, >> My vote is for the 8 ply given the weight mentioned above. More safety margin during those "carrier" type arrivals that seem to happen every so often. 6 ply would be the second choice. Forget the 2 ply, too much flex when there is side force or during braking. Of course this is from the comfort of my KRecliner... Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 08:29:11 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: airworthiness certificate Tom Crawford wrote: > > Micheal Mims wrote: > > The Ellison injector DOES need constant head pressure and some have found > > they do not operate well on a gravity feed system with smaller fuel lines > > (1/4 OD or smaller). My friend Brad has one on his Dragonfly (3/8 fuel > > lines) and it works GREAT! Other Dragonfliers have had trouble ( 1/4 inch > > fuel lines) and have installed fuel pumps and pressure regulators to cure > > the problem. If you have 1/4 inch fuel lines I would install a fuel pump / > > regulator before flying. > > Mike, > > The Ellison TBI's inlet fitting is 1/4", so I figured it would be > simplest to make it all 1/4". I did install a fuel pump and have found > that when the fuel tank is very low, the engine will not even start > without the fuel pump on. What sort of regulator are you talking about? > At this point I feel that some modification is in order, and am > considering just changing it all over to 3/8" lines. Consider it a > lesson learned. Hey, that's why we call it "experimental" right? > > Tom Crawford > tomc@afn.org > Gainesville, FL Tom & Mike, I was going through some back issues of the printed KR newsletter looking for electrical system schematics. In the process I found a couple (3 or so) fuel system routings for Ellison TBI's. ALL had fuel pumps in the installation. I don't believe Ellison recommends gravity feed for this carb. I am using 3/8" line from the header to the gascollator, with 1/4" line to the Ellison as it has a 1/4" fitting. I have two fuel pumps, one for each wing tank each fused individually, and was planning to pump fuel to the header tank and running gravity feed from the header tank. I am considering re-assigning my fuel pumps to guarentee fuel pressure at the carb. Ellison also recommends a fuel filter down to XX microns. I found a great AC Delco filter at K-mart with threaded fittings on both ends that I am using from the header tank to the gascolator, I expect that this filter may restrict the fuel flow enough that gravity feed may be a problem for me... I will have to see. Also, Ellison recommends providing Carb Heat. Everything I've heard about the Ellison TBI says that if installed properly, they are a lot easier to deal with than a regular carb... That is no needles to adjust etc. Hopefully I can provide some actual feedback by the end of the year... I've got to hook up my electrical. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 SABER Engineering voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:28:43 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: airworthiness certificate Tom, Thanks for the post. I finally got your ORIGINAL post. Congratulations on your successful certification! - -- Ross Tom Crawford wrote: > > Just a short note to let everyone know that N262TC received it's > airworthiness certificate yesterday. The whole process took less than 1 > hour and was surprisingly painless. > > A couple observations by the inspector (who has built 9 (!) homebuilts > himself, including 3 Glassairs.) > > 1) The trim tab as built to plans is "Mickey Mouse". I am sure that many > people have planes that fly well with it, but he recommended either an > electric (like the MAC) in the elevator, or a bungee system on the > stick. > > I plan to try the plans built trim tab, and change it if it doesn't > work. > > 2)He was very critical of the Ellison TBI. He said there have been > numerous documented cases of airplanes becoming gliders because of the > TBI. He has personally lost 2 chapter members (as in now dead) because > of it. He said that head pressure is critical, and also, it does not > tolerate air bubbles well. > > His closing comment was "Be careful, and always be planning for your > engine to quit, because sooner or later, it WILL quit. > > I am glad my wife was not there. > > Tom Crawford > tomc@afn.org > Gainesville, FL - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:31:42 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: serial number Donald Reid wrote: > > In spite of what has been said on this net, a designer/engineer of > experimental A/C can be taken to court for the faulty work of a home builder. If I recall, you can sue anyone over anything, it's just a matter of filing the paperwork. Of course the case may be thrown out if it doesn't have merit, at least that's my layman's understanding. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:52:37 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Rex where are you... In Randy's post of Rex Ellington's message there are three email addresses for Rex, a couple are similar, but which one do I use? I sent a confirmation reply to him, but he must not have gotten it. I wasn't sure if his address was ELLINGTON@ou.edu or ELLINGTO@ou.edu. I will add him at ELLINGTO@ou.edu BSHADR@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-09-06 22:11:46 EDT, Rex wrote: > > << Subj: Gathering & TCP > Date: 97-09-06 22:11:46 EDT > From: ELLINGTO@gslan.offsys.ou.edu (Rex Ellington) #1 ^^^^ . . . > changed my address to #2 ^^^ . . . > ellingto@gslan.offsys.uoknor.edu >> #3 ^^^ He should be fixed up shortly. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 10:00:14 -0700 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: Fuel tanks in stub wings Mike, Are you plnning on useing a 0-290, or have you changed you mind? Dave Moore At 09:14 PM 9/7/97 -0700, you wrote: >>At 09:35 PM 9/7/97 -0600, you wrote: >>. >>> my stub tanks now have capacitance level probes/senders installed >>and -They dont leak! This was quite a chore since they should've been >>>installed while building the tanks...... >> >> >>I am getting ready to build fuel tanks in the stubs and was curious as to >how much fuel yours hold. I am thinking I should be able to build a tank >that will hold at least 7 gallons, for a total of 14 in the stubs and 17 in >the header. If I can shoe horn that beast of an engine in the nose of this >thing I will need enough fuel to stay aloft for more than 1.5 hours! :o) >> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. >mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com >http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand > > \ / > _\/\/_ >_____/_//\\_\_____ > > F-117 > > > David Moore Turnkey1@mscomm.com Hesperia, California ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 10:00:25 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: airworthiness certificate At 09:25 AM 9/8/97 -0700, you wrote: The Ellison TBI's inlet fitting is 1/4", so I figured it would be >simplest to make it all 1/4". I did install a fuel pump and have found >that when the fuel tank is very low, the engine will not even start >without the fuel pump on. What sort of regulator are you talking about? Some guys are using the inline regulator found at most auto parts stores that can be set as low as 1 to 2 psi. Seems to work great. I just talked to Brad about the Ellison and I guess even though his seems to run perfectly he is considering the installation of a pressure line from his main tank directly to the Ellison, this along with his gravity feed line from the header thank (with check valve)will allow him to use one pump to transfer fuel from the main tank to the header (which over flows back to the main when full) to pressure feed the Ellison during take off and high power settings. ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 10:25:23 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Fuel tanks in stub wings At 10:00 AM 9/8/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Mike, >Are you plnning on useing a 0-290, or have you changed you mind? > >Dave Moore > > O-290 is still a very good possibility. ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 16:50:36 +0000 From: darrin Subject: Re: KR: Tires Bobby Muse wrote: > > Does anyone here on the KRnet know a lot about tires? > > What is actually meant by 2-ply, 6-ply or 8-ply? Which is better and why? > With 1000 to 1400 pound gross aircraft, which one should we use? > Thanks, > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX The "ply" referes to the amount of layers of cord which is found in the sidewall of the tire which translates into stiffness and weight capacity. The gross weight limits are shown on the tire itself. The higher the ply, the stiffer and more weight it can hold. You don't want too stiff of a tire though because this would cause a rough ground roll and harder landing. darrin west darrinwest@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:10:37 -0400 (EDT) From: LDeckert@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Tires In a message dated 97-09-08 10:44:05 EDT, you write: << Does anyone here on the KRnet know a lot about tires? What is actually meant by 2-ply, 6-ply or 8-ply? Which is better and why? With 1000 to 1400 pound gross aircraft, which one should we use? Thanks, Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX >> What I remember as a youngster when my dad worked for Firestone, the ply was how many 'raps' were used around the tire (under the tread) of whatever the material was, like steel or nylon or polyester cords. Cut an old tire and you can see/count them. Some tires were '4 ply rated' which means they have less cord raps, but were supposed to be as strong a 'real' 4 ply tire. I would use either the 8 or 6 ply and not even consider the 2 ply. Larry (for what it's worth) Deckert Sandy Ut, KR2S a-building ------------------------------ Date: 9 Sep 1997 07:06:44 UT From: Mouse@heiwa.com Subject: Re: KR: Japanese saw KR>In a message dated 97-09-07 03:48:35 EDT, you write: KR><< I tried to tell you guys about these saws last year! They are absolutely KR> awesome. (see a picture of my saw at: KR> http://pw2.netcom.com/~mimsmand/photos.html ) I built my entire boat using KR> one of these saws and after a few hours of operation I found I could cut KR> gussets so close to perfect that they needed no sanding! Besides my spar KR> caps and shear webs,.. I cut ALL of my wood with one of these saws (yes eve KR> the ply skins for the fuselage) and only replaced the blade once. DO be KR> careful though, I ran it across my hand one time (no Randy not on purpose) KR> and it cuts flesh as well as it cuts wood! KR> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ KR> Micheal Mims KR> Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. KR> mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com KR> http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand >> KR> I just now saw what the japanese saw looks like. I had no idea what it KR>was when I started my project. What I ended up using was a Jorgensen Compoun KR>Miter Saw that I got at Home Depot for $38. It took me a little while to be KR>able to convert angles found off of the plans or the side panel itself using KR>a protractor ( thanks for that hint Mark Langford ) to cut my gussets but KR>once I figured it out my gussets came out nearly perfect, only needing a KR>little touch up on a piece of sandpaper to remove a little fringe. I haven't KR>got a web page yet but if anyone want's a picture just email me direct and KR>I'll scan a photo and email it back to you. The hint of using a simple KR>protractor to find my angles was most helpful, Thanks again Mark. KR>Tom Kilgore KR>Las Vegas, NV KR>LVav8r@aol.com KR>KR-2S 2% complete KR> __I__ KR> ______( X )_______ KR> o/ \o If anyone would like to have one of these saws let me know. I live here in Yokohama and have used then many times. They are great and very sharp. Prices are reasonable, but with the smoothness of the cut its worth the extra dollar or two over what you would pay for one there in the USA. With me working for the airline here in Japan and my interline discount that I get with Fed-Ex (75% off) I can get these saws shipped out and to you in three days. If your interested or need replacement blades for the one you have already, e-mail me and I'll do my best to get one to you. Tim Schuy KR-2S builder in Japan. E-mail mouse@heiwa.com ------------------------------ Date: 9 Sep 1997 07:10:16 UT From: Mouse@heiwa.com Subject: Re: KR: Japanese saw KR>At 02:29 AM 9/7/97 -0400, you wrote: KR>>I bought my first Japanese saw last weekend at a flea market and I think KR>I'm already a convert. These saws cut on the pull stroke rather than the KR>push, KR><> KR>>Either the rip or the crosscut blade will go through a piece of wood the KR>>size of KR stock in about 7 seconds with half a dozen strokes. KR>>Mike Taglieri KR><> KR>I tried to tell you guys about these saws last year! They are absolutely KR>awesome. (see a picture of my saw at: KR>http://pw2.netcom.com/~mimsmand/photos.html ) I built my entire boat using KR>one of these saws and after a few hours of operation I found I could cut KR>gussets so close to perfect that they needed no sanding! Besides my spar KR>caps and shear webs,.. I cut ALL of my wood with one of these saws (yes even KR>the ply skins for the fuselage) and only replaced the blade once. DO be KR>careful though, I ran it across my hand one time (no Randy not on purpose) KR>and it cuts flesh as well as it cuts wood! KR>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ KR>Micheal Mims KR>Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. KR>mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com KR>http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand KR> \ / KR> _\/\/_ KR>_____/_//\\_\_____ KR> F-117 If you want a new one let me know. I live here in Yokohama Japan and the prices are reasonable. Shipping will be cheap too with my interline benefits. Tim Schuy New KR-2S builder in Japan E-Mail mouse@heiwa.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 17:30:52 -0500 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: Tires I've got no insider knowledge - but this is what I DO have: Usually these days tires are specified as so-many ply RATING. That doesn't mean you'll find that number of wall plies, but that the strength of the modern synthetics is EQUAL to an old time so-many ply tire. The C-150 I owned was specified for 4 ply rating at 1600 lbs, but I used 6-ply rating for chuckles - at a small weight penalty. Not many air tires are radial - this is perhaps the last stronghold of the cross ply - often preferred cos people feel it stands up to crosswind landingd better. Brian At 09:07 9/8/97 -0500, you wrote: >Does anyone here on the KRnet know a lot about tires? > >What is actually meant by 2-ply, 6-ply or 8-ply? Which is better and why? >With 1000 to 1400 pound gross aircraft, which one should we use? >Thanks, > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX > > > > > brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 15:31:07 -0800 From: "parley t. byington" Subject: Re: KR: Fast KR and Turbo charger Ron My turbo charger is a "Ray Jay" and I am turning a "Aymar-Demuth" propeller 52" X 48". When I was indicating 185 mph the engine was turning at about 4000 rpm at 41' Hg manifold pressure. Needless to say at this power setting I didn't stay at that speed for long. Hope this is of help. Thanks Parley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 15:41:40 -0800 From: "parley t. byington" Subject: Re: KR: airworthiness certificate Ok Let me go out and take a few notes on where and what I did on the trim tab, ( the old memory isn't what it use to be) and I will post it with in the next day or two. Thanks for the interest Parley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 19:05:46 -0700 From: bmsi@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: KR: 290 Lycoming Micheal Mims wrote: > If I can shoe horn that beast of an engine in the nose of this > thing I will need enough fuel to stay aloft for more than 1.5 hours! :o) > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com > http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand > > \ / > _\/\/_ > _____/_//\\_\_____ > > F-117 Michael, I bookmarked a page with those 290s for sale about a month ago. I wasn't sure about them because they were using them for snow machines and swamp boats. Let us know how that thing looks when you get it. The price is unbelieveable. Lots of spare parts available too. Bruce S. Campbell Tampa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:39:42 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: KR Speeds On Sun, 07 Sep 1997 19:14:06 Ron Lee writes: >Heck, I'll be the first one to tell you mine doesn't go that fast >except >>on the downhill run. Right now my top cruise speed it 150mph. > >> >>Jeff > >Let's see. If my top taxi speed has been 30 MPH, then 150-30 equals >120 MPH faster than mine. :) > >Ron Lee > Yeah, but with the turbo at altitude and a lighter plane, you ought to smoke me but good once you finally get it in the air. - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 18:02:51 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Tires At 11:23 97/9/08 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-09-08 10:44:05 EDT, Bobby wrote: > ><< What is actually meant by 2-ply, 6-ply or 8-ply? Which is better and why? > With 1000 to 1400 pound gross aircraft, which one should we use? > Thanks, >> > >My vote is for the 8 ply given the weight mentioned above. More safety >margin during those "carrier" type arrivals that seem to happen every so >often. 6 ply would be the second choice. Forget the 2 ply, too much flex >when there is side force or during braking. > >Of course this is from the comfort of my KRecliner... > >Randy Stein I always use the 2-ply, but on some days I wish I had 8-ply. Oops, you are talking about TIRES! Ron "Running at the mouth again" Lee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 20:50:33 -0700 From: rahuman@swbell.net Subject: Re: KR: Pitch stability/sensitivity Jeffrey E Scott wrote: > I have licensed my KR to 1200# gross and have tested it to that weight. > I found, much like Randy posted about the Dragonflys, that my plane flew > just find at those weights, and was more sensative to the CG shift than > than the gross weight. > > Jeff Do any of the real engineering types out there have a "never exceed weight" for a KR-2. There have been postings on spar/spar fitting strengths - so someone must have taking a realistic look at what is the maxium the design will support (pun intended). Rick "struggling to stay under 700#" Human Houston, TX. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 21:03:12 -0600 From: "Jeb" Subject: KR: Web Page update I snuck the digital camera home at lunch and snapped 3 new pictures.They're in the "boat" page Ross, you might use one of these instead of that 2 1/2 year old thing on the cradle back in Austin. Also you're still sporting my web address from Austin, which was 2 ISPs ago!! (see below) John jeb@thuntek.net www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:06:06 -0400 From: "Jim Daly" Subject: Re: KR: Real video and Kitplane > David Moore wrote: > > > > Glider lessons is a good option for learning that an AIR-plane will still > > fly without an engine. And it's a heck of a lot of fun, just quiet. > > It's a lot of fun and must be safer too, as you can solo in a glider > at 14. > > -- > Ross Youngblood > KRNET-L administrator > mailto:rossy@teleport.com > http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm It is great FUN!!! I earned my glider drivers' ticket when I was 16... competed for a Scholarship against 1500 other Air Cadets, (the CANADIAN equivilent of the Civil Air Patrol, eh!) and was one of 60 chosen for glider training.... Went back next year and did my Private Pilot's... same type of Scholarship. Ther is nothing like it...give it a try if you can. You'll be presently surprised at how it improves your landing technique. No sissy flaps or engines on these babies....once you've committed to landing you've really COMMITTED! There just aint, (good english, eh!), no turning back! Jim "Stall" Daly Mississauga, Ontario Canada 2LT (Ret'd) 845 AVRO ARROW SQN mailto:rcscale@interlog.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 01:31:54 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: The Perry Report 9/8/97 The Perry Report 9/8/97: Just got off the telephone with Don Betchan. The gathering is going to be a blow out! It is predicted to be the biggest one ever held! Check this out: 80-100 people for the Liars BBQ/Fish Fry Friday evening. The motel is full, and they are now sending everyone to the over flow "no-tell motel". He has had a huge number of telephone calls, looks like we’ll see 200+ attendees. After the banquet, he has scheduled entertainment until 2 AM. The new hanger is done and we get to be the first ones to drool on the floors. He has discounted fuel during the event - 100LL at $1.40 gal Jet fuel at $1.40 gal (for you folks bringing your business jets). The whole town is looking forward to our arrival. Other than "Cherokee Days" we are the big event for the town. Weather should be in the low 80s daytime and mid 60s at night. Just watch the weather reports for OKC and Perry will be about the same. Video Bob will have two cameras going full time, so we should have some good material from the sessions to distill into contruction videos. You poor folks not attending will be able to read daily updates via KRNet. I also heard a rumor that there may be some photos posted on web pages from the event each evening. Almost as good as being there. Stay tuned… Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 22:27:53 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Shhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!! and other stuff I think I will convert both of my DC headsets using these kits, check it out! http://www.avweb.com/sponsors/headsets/ Other stuff: Well tonight was mostly cleanup night in the garage but I did manage to get the 1/8 inch plywood ribs cut for fitting between the spars on the stub wings. I plan to use these ribs as the left and right panels in my stub tanks, they will have 1/4 clark foam skins (top and bottom) with epoxy and glass on all sides. The numbers indicate they will hold about 6 gallons each, unless of course I am doing the math wrong! :o) I think these will be neat little aux tanks and plan to take pictures tomorrow night for the web site. Each tank will have its own vent (out the bottom skin) and one outlet that will "T" the two tanks together (ala C-150) and then to a electric fuel pump that will pump the fuel to the main tank. The inlet to the main tank is just below the vent level to keep fuel from draining back into the wing tanks. No shut off or selector valve will be used for the aux tanks. They will basically be treated as one 12 gallon tank used to refill the main tank. (KIS method hard at work here!) Fuel transfer will be performed in straight and level flight only. Gauges are another story, I really don't like the idea of spending money for gauges and or installing two more holes in my instrument panel just for aux tanks. Heck they are either full or empty, as they are not used in route. If I must,.. I guess I will devise some sort of sight gauge for these tanks. Anyone know what guys are using for gauges in aux tanks? I know the FARs require a gauge for each tank but are some flying without gauges? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / _\/\/_ _____/_//\\_\_____ F-117 ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #92 ****************************