From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, December 08, 1997 12:45 PM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n098' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #98 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Tuesday, September 16 1997 Volume 01 : Number 098 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 05:45:53 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR: I HATE vinylester!!!! Jim Faughn wrote: > I built my entire airplane with it and loved it. I know, your ears > aren't turned on. Jim, You're not the first person to say that, so there must be something to it. Maybe it's my AS&S version #415. Surely they're not all the same, just as epoxies aren't all the same. As for Mims, I guess turnabout is fair play. I've been using Aeropoxy for everything else for two years, and tried to convince him to use it long ago! I guess you gotta pay your dues somewhere along the way. And vinylester does have a long history of fuel resistance. I'll just be a lot smarter on my next layup session. (Yes, a good night's sleep does wonders for one's attitude). Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 07:09:44 -0500 From: Jim Faughn Subject: Re: KR: I HATE vinylester!!!! Mark Langford wrote: > > Jim Faughn wrote: > > > I built my entire airplane with it and loved it. I know, your ears > > aren't turned on. > > Jim, > > You're not the first person to say that, so there must be something to it. > Maybe it's my AS&S version #415. Surely they're not all the same, just as > epoxies aren't all the same. As for Mims, I guess turnabout is fair play. > I've been using Aeropoxy for everything else for two years, and tried to > convince him to use it long ago! I guess you gotta pay your dues somewhere > along the way. And vinylester does have a long history of fuel resistance. > I'll just be a lot smarter on my next layup session. (Yes, a good night's > sleep does wonders for one's attitude). > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL The absolute expert will be at the Gathering. Dan Diehl. He can tell you everything you need to know about Vinylester and that is who I bought all of mine from. One big key is mixing in small batches. I also know there are two formulas he uses - one for winter and another for summer. - -- Jim Faughn N8931JF St. Louis, MO (314) 652-7659 or (573) 465-8039 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 07:06:49 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR: I HATE vinylester!!!! At 05:45 AM 9/16/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Jim Faughn wrote: > >> I built my entire airplane with it and loved it. I know, your ears >> aren't turned on. > >Jim, > >You're not the first person to say that, so there must be something to it. >Maybe it's my AS&S version #415. Surely they're not all the same, just as >epoxies aren't all the same. As for Mims, I guess turnabout is fair play. >I've been using Aeropoxy for everything else for two years, and tried to >convince him to use it long ago! I guess you gotta pay your dues somewhere >along the way. And vinylester does have a long history of fuel resistance. > I'll just be a lot smarter on my next layup session. (Yes, a good night's >sleep does wonders for one's attitude). > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >email at langford@hiwaay.net >KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > > Mark, I've never used the stuff, but most people were turned on to Vinylester early on by what Dan Diehl had to say years back about it at one of the earlier KR Gatherings - Jenks, OK, I think. Think I also remember that he said vinylester is/can be formulated to kick off at different times depending on the particular climate in which you are building - but maybe you already know that. Anyway, maybe you got the wrong formula for your particular situation?> Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:09:56 -0700 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: I HATE vinylester!!!! Mark Langford wrote: BIG SNIP > Go ahead, Tell me how wonderful it is. I ain't listenin'. You people who > haven't made your fuel tanks yet, consider yourselves warned. This is NOT > the stuff to use. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > email at langford@hiwaay.net > KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford Please, don't hold back. Tell us what you mean without all this sugar coating. - -- Don Reid donreid@erols.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:02:11 -0400 From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: Re: KR: Latest Web update here Email (repy) to cary@storm.ca Web page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/ KR2 area http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2.shtml - ---------- > From: John Roffey > Rockliffe Airport.... my parents were both stationed there during > WW2 and met, married after the war. I have an uncle in Stittsville. > Nice to hear we have a good KR person in the area if we ever visit. > John Roffey > jeroffey@tir.com I am the only Cary Honeywell in the phone book up here. Give a call if you are in the area. (Offer good for all krnet members.) - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:39:10 -0400 (EDT) From: LDeckert@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Canopy lift struts Hey hey hey!!! Thanks for all of the input! I won't be at the gathering - I'm helping out at an annual fly-in that same week end. Perhaps one of the video folks will include some of the canopy configurations in their 'shooting' (hint hint). Larry Deckert Sandy, Ut ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:33:06 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: I HATE vinylester!!!! At 05:45 AM 9/16/97 -0500, you wrote: As for Mims, I guess turnabout is fair play. >I've been using Aeropoxy for everything else for two years, and tried to >convince him to use it long ago! I guess you gotta pay your dues somewhere along the way. And vinylester does have a long history of fuel resistance. I was curious why up til about 1.5 to 2 years ago all epoxy (well almost all) was considered fuel proof too and all of a sudden none of them were. I thought to myself , "this sounds like a great X-files episode" So I got Mulder and Scully on it right away! Mulder being the conspiracy type decided he should look at the major manufacturers and users of vinylester, knowing in the back of his mind they more than likely just wanted a bigger piece of the LongEZ market share! So off to Redmond OR. he went. Scully decided to analyze the chemical properties of epoxy now available and those available 10 years ago and used in the construction of about 450 KRs, 1500 LongEZs, 900 Viking Dragonflies, and 3000 various composite homebuilts that sit on the ramps today with fuel still in their tanks and not leaking out. She found no change in the properties that should drastically alter its resistance to fuel. She did find that most of the epoxies available now are safer to use. She was impressed and pleased,.. as this added fuel to her argument with Mulder that not all large corporations are out to get us! Mulder was captured by a small group of cowboys somewhere in Mojave, The last Skully heard from him was a cel phone call he made yesterday screaming for help and something about having the answer, in the background you could hear hootn and hollern and one guy saying "you shur are prettttty" then the phone went dead! Seriously I sent an email to four sources (one considered a higher source in the composite arena) and received three replies. All of them said I could not quote them directly,.. so I wont. :o) I specifically stated that I would be using 100LL and in one reply the rep said "the chemical additives in autofuel will attack most epoxies" That's all,.. so I replied "yes but I plan to use only 100LL. Again the reply "the chemical additives in autofuel will attack most epoxies"!! Hummm.......Canned response? Maybe? Next source said everything was OK until someone reported problems using autofuel, this caused the whole industry to back pedal.......... Ill buy that! Another source said " If your concerned,.. build test samples and soak them in the type of fuel you plan to use, otherwise it is what we recommend for construction of the entire aircraft........ Good advice! The fourth and higher source did not return my email, I expected this and think the timing of them receiving my email and the capture of agent Mulder snooping around outside their hanger may have ruined my chances of ever getting one! Conspiracy thing! Agent Scully is meeting me tonight at the Steel Head Brewery to discuss her findings on epoxy and why she uses a SIG instead of an H&K MP9 or P7! Report at Perry BBQ and BS session! Sorry she asked no pictures please! :o) Mike "The Epoxying Man" Mims (not the smoking man) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / _\/\/_ _____/_//\\_\_____ F-117 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:12:12 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: KR Gathering Update 9/16/97 KRNetters: (Dateline: Perry OK) Spys behind enemy lines have informed me that portions of the Kansas City Dawn Patrol will be making a run on Perry this coming weekend. It seems that some of them would also like to arrive at a destination the same day they leave and not be limited to 100 mile trips! The KR is being considered as the heavy iron to fill this mission. Yes, this means a VW powered 7/8th scale Nieuport 11 will be there. See, even rantings about the evil vinyl ester couldn't deter the good fortunes of us KRNetters...now about duct tape - it has a light side, a dark side AND holds the universe together. Ya, but is it fuel proof? Is everyone pumped about the Gathering, or is it just the air in Southern California? My wife said to chew the air more before I swallow and I'll be ok... Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:08:51 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Bill's engine still for sale MotorHeads, I talked to Wild Bill about his engine, and I guess it's still for sale. Because he said 1700 and 1800 cc, and because Stephens Machining built it, I thought it was a Type 4. But it's a Type 1 like most normal VW aviators use. Never been run, painted black, could be a new case. He also has some 1800cc cylinders (1776?) that have a few hundred hours on them, as well as a few cams. Stephens Machining is one of the big boys from California in the VW engine business, and have an excellent reputation. Still going for $200, and if I were going Type 1, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:21:55 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: I HATE vinylester!!!! In a message dated 97-09-16 11:44:31 EDT, Mike wrote: <<...Agent Scully is meeting me tonight at the Steel Head Brewery to discuss her findings on epoxy and why she uses a SIG instead of an H&K MP9 or P7! Report at Perry BBQ and BS session! >> Only proper names please. It is a "Liars BBQ/Fish Fry" and NOT a BS session. We ain't giving no stink'in diplomas. Randy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:18:58 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Epoxy man Michael Mims wrote: > I specifically stated that I would be using 100LL and in one reply the rep > said "the chemical additives in autofuel will attack most epoxies" Nice response to my predicament, but you know me. I'm planning to run autofuel, since vapor lock won't be a problem with my recirculating 70 psi fuel injection system. I think the key is small batches, doing the job one step at a time. I'm stuck with it now anyway... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford - ---------- > From: Micheal Mims > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: I HATE vinylester!!!! > Date: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 10:33 AM > > At 05:45 AM 9/16/97 -0500, you wrote: > As for Mims, I guess turnabout is fair play. > >I've been using Aeropoxy for everything else for two years, and tried to > >convince him to use it long ago! I guess you gotta pay your dues somewhere > along the way. And vinylester does have a long history of fuel resistance. > > I was curious why up til about 1.5 to 2 years ago all epoxy (well almost > all) was considered fuel proof too and all of a sudden none of them were. I > thought to myself , "this sounds like a great X-files episode" > > So I got Mulder and Scully on it right away! Mulder being the conspiracy > type decided he should look at the major manufacturers and users of > vinylester, knowing in the back of his mind they more than likely just > wanted a bigger piece of the LongEZ market share! So off to Redmond OR. he > went. > > Scully decided to analyze the chemical properties of epoxy now available and > those available 10 years ago and used in the construction of about 450 KRs, > 1500 LongEZs, 900 Viking Dragonflies, and 3000 various composite homebuilts > that sit on the ramps today with fuel still in their tanks and not leaking > out. She found no change in the properties that should drastically alter > its resistance to fuel. She did find that most of the epoxies available now > are safer to use. She was impressed and pleased,.. as this added fuel to > her argument with Mulder that not all large corporations are out to get us! > > Mulder was captured by a small group of cowboys somewhere in Mojave, The > last Skully heard from him was a cel phone call he made yesterday screaming > for help and something about having the answer, in the background you could > hear hootn and hollern and one guy saying "you shur are prettttty" then the > phone went dead! > > Seriously I sent an email to four sources (one considered a higher source in > the composite arena) and received three replies. All of them said I could > not quote them directly,.. so I wont. :o) > > I specifically stated that I would be using 100LL and in one reply the rep > said "the chemical additives in autofuel will attack most epoxies" That's > all,.. so I replied "yes but I plan to use only 100LL. Again the reply > "the chemical additives in autofuel will attack most epoxies"!! > Hummm.......Canned response? Maybe? > > Next source said everything was OK until someone reported problems using > autofuel, this caused the whole industry to back pedal.......... Ill buy that! > > Another source said " If your concerned,.. build test samples and soak them > in the type of fuel you plan to use, otherwise it is what we recommend for > construction of the entire aircraft........ Good advice! > > The fourth and higher source did not return my email, I expected this and > think the timing of them receiving my email and the capture of agent Mulder > snooping around outside their hanger may have ruined my chances of ever > getting one! Conspiracy thing! > > Agent Scully is meeting me tonight at the Steel Head Brewery to discuss her > findings on epoxy and why she uses a SIG instead of an H&K MP9 or P7! > Report at Perry BBQ and BS session! Sorry she asked no pictures please! > :o) > > Mike "The Epoxying Man" Mims > (not the smoking man) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com > http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand > > \ / > _\/\/_ > _____/_//\\_\_____ > > F-117 > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:31:48 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: For Steve Eberhart KRNetters Sorry for this posting, but his private Email keeps coming back and time is of the essence. To: Steve Eberhart Meet us at the Hertz car rental counter 6:45-7PM Thursday in OKC. Email me private with your confirmation that you read this message. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:00:58 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: OKC late Thursday night 11:00pmish At 12:31 PM 9/16/97 -0400, you wrote: > >KRNetters > >Sorry for this posting, but his private Email keeps coming back and time is >of the essence. > >To: Steve Eberhart > >Meet us at the Hertz car rental counter 6:45-7PM Thursday in OKC. Aww come on! Arent you guys gona wait around until my plane gets in? :o) Anyone else getting in to OKC late Thursday night? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / _\/\/_ _____/_//\\_\_____ F-117 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:21:28 +0000 From: Steve Bennett Subject: Re: KR: I HATE vinylester!!!! I am not positive because it has been a while since I've used either vinylester or epoxy resin. I believe that they will stick to each other but have an extreamly low shear strength. When using vinylester resing, I believe I would stick with using the same resing as the bonding agent. Steve Bennett ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:49:28 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: I've got a flight to OKC! Well, guys, I've managed to get a flight to/from OKC on Southwest Air. I'll be arriving at OKC Friday night at 9:50pm and departing the following Sunday morning at 9:05am. So, when I get in, I'll rent a car, but wouldn't I be smarter to find a motel in OKC for friday night, drive out to Perry first thing saturday morning, then return to that OKC motel late saturday night? I await your collective advice. Thanks. Ed Newbold EAA Chapter 443 Newsletter Editor Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:28:20 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: I HATE vinylester!!!! On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 07:09:44 -0500 Jim Faughn writes: >> Maybe it's my AS&S version #415. Surely they're not all the same, just as >> epoxies aren't all the same. >> >> Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > >The absolute expert will be at the Gathering. Dan Diehl. He can tell >you >everything you need to know about Vinylester and that is who I bought >all of mine from. One big key is mixing in small batches. I also know >there are two formulas he uses - one for winter and another for >summer. > >-- >Jim Faughn N8931JF Absolute;ly right. depending on the temperature you are planning to work in, those that mix their own (diehl for example) premix the promoters for that temperature. The AS&S version is MEDIUM promoted, meaning that they are thrying to make it workable at all temperatures. during warm weather, that stuff is going to fire off mighty quick. at 40 degrees, it will still fire off, but takes hours. I've used their mix. I would recommend either doing a bit of practice (less than 1% MEKP is OK) with the AS&S stuff or buy the resin from Dan and have him mix the promoters to suit the temperatures you'll be working with. I have also found the AS&S promotion of their vinylester resin to be inconsisitant, but just mixing up a couple of small practice batches was all I needed to get it to go right. Jeff - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:25:52 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Web Page update Jeb, Well, I checked that second web page and there was different stuff there, so I thought I'd reference it. I'll check it again and remove it. -- Ross Jeb wrote: > > I snuck the digital camera home at lunch and > snapped 3 new pictures.They're in the "boat" > page > > Ross, you might use one of these instead of that > 2 1/2 year old thing on the cradle back in Austin. > Also you're still sporting my web address from > Austin, which was 2 ISPs ago!! > > (see below) > John > jeb@thuntek.net > www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:30:15 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Re: Jeff's war story Jeff, Thanks for the perspective! (Starduster vs KR) -- Ross Jeffrey E Scott wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:05:11 -0700 Ross Youngblood > writes: > >Jeff, > > Can you contrast the KR flight characteristics against > >the Starduster. Just somthing like, it's much more fun > >would be sufficient. > > > > -- Ross :) > > > > Uh, .....probably not without starting another flame war about KR > handling characteristics. :o) > > The KR is fun for different reasons. The KR is fast, inexpensive to fly, > handles like a mini fighter, and always draws a crowd. > > The Starduster would climb like a homesick angel, was very light and > quick on the controls, always drew a crowd, and I knew I couldn't break > the airframe unless I hit something. :o) It did wonderful spins and > snap rolls, and wasn't bad at vertical stuff. Ever see a plane do a 3 > rotation climbing spin on it's back? :o) BTW, my Starduster was beefed > up significantly from what the plans called for. > > The Starduster was sold when my wife (who never flies with me) decided we > should own a "family" airplane. I've been in mourning for it for 12 > years. :o( > > Anyway, the KR is the right plane for me now as the old body protests > doing G's anymore. It's something special to fly and I built it. :o) > > Jeff > ------- > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > jscott.pilot@juno.com > See N1213W construction and first flight at > http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: > //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:36:09 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: wing tank fuel feeds - a different approach Jim Daly wrote: > > Why don't you do what us R/Cers' do in our fuel tanks.....CLUNKS!!! Have a > piece of flexible fuel hose witha brass weight on one end with a hole in it > so the fuel flows through. That way when the fuel sloshes from end to end > or side to side the clunk will move with it. Jim, Great post. These hoses are known as "flop tubes" and are a good solution if you are concerned about your fuel pick up becoming un-ported. This was discussed earlier a few months ago, and it also came up that during coordinated flight, (positive G), the lowest point in the fuel system is unlikely to become unported. (Unless the tank is empty) However during a sideslip.... -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:24:03 -0600 From: "James Jasper" Subject: KR: Perry If anyone out there is going past Salt Lake City on their way to Perry, and can take an extra passenger, please let me join you. Call me at: 801/947-9977 home 801/240-6443 work email at jasperjp@chq.byu.edu or jjasper@inconnect.com Many thanks, Jim Jasper ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:40:25 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Mike Graves Bobby Muse wrote: > > At 09:03 PM 9/9/97 EDT, you wrote: > > > >Hey you old time KRNetheads. Check out this message from Mike Graves. > > > >(For you newbees, Mike started KRNet. > > > >You guy's keep up the good work and please say hello to all of my old > >KRNET buddies for me! > > > > > > Mike Graves>> > > > > > > Where is Mike today? Does he live in Austin, TX? Why did he resign? Mike lives in Portland, OR (Home of teleport.com), and works for Intel. He recently got married, and decided he would have to hold off managing KRNET, to focus on his "homebuilding" with his wife. I wasn't sure what picking up KRNET-L was going to be like, but I've learned a lot, and had a lot of fun. It does take a bit of time to keep after the bounced emails and add new members, but it's not too bad if you type 130 words a minute like I do :). The problem is stringing all those words together to spel[sic] a coherant sentence. -- Regards Ross - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:47:50 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Re: Gliders MikeTnyc@aol.com wrote: > > >> > Glider lessons is a good option for learning that an AIR-plane will > >still > >> > fly without an engine. And it's a heck of a lot of fun, just quiet. > >> > >> It's a lot of fun and must be safer too, as you can solo in a glider > >> at 14. > > >There is nothing like it...give it a try if you can. > > Speaking of gliders, is there any reason why you couldn't build long wings > like the KR1-B and swap them onto a KR-2? Is that the only difference > between a 1-B and a regular KR-1? It would be nice to have a quick > conversion between a sometimes-glider and a regular plane. > > Mike TaglieriWe had a thread on this a while back. I thought it might be fun to try. I believe the end result is that it was too heavy to preform well due to all the drag of the fuselage. Additionally their might be some structural issues with the additional load for the long wings of the heavier fuselage. If someone knows what digest it was in let me know, and I can retrieve it for anyone who is interested. - -- Regards Ross - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:19:28 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: [Fwd: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Non-member submission from ["Rex Ellington" ]] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------B5E71B65A1B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm having one HECK of a time getting Rex Ellington back into KRNET. Here is a forwarded message. Does anyone know for SURE which email address he is using, it looks like ellingto@gslan.offsys.uoknor.edu, but... - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm - --------------B5E71B65A1B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: owner-krnet-l@lists.teleport.com Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id MAA05338; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:06:39 -0700 (PDT) From: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199709121906.MAA05338@desiree.teleport.com> To: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Non-member submission from ["Rex Ellington" ] X-UIDL: 5b54a260852a9a9444985c0e7e8df5b4 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 >From krnet-l-owner Fri Sep 12 12:06:36 1997 Received: from hermes.services.ou.edu (hermes.services.ou.edu [129.15.2.121]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05329 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gslan.offsys.ou.edu by hermes.services.ou.edu with ESMTP; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:06:35 -0500 Received: from GSLAN/SpoolDir by gslan.offsys.ou.edu (Mercury 1.21); 12 Sep 97 14:06:34 -0600 Received: from SpoolDir by GSLAN (Mercury 1.21); 12 Sep 97 14:06:10 -0600 From: "Rex Ellington" Organization: University of Oklahoma To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:06:03 CDT Subject: test message X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Rex Ellington" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-ID: <15130A662FF@gslan.offsys.ou.edu> G'Day all This is a test message to see whether I am back on the net. If I am, I will publish OKC weather summaries for the area to krneters headed this way. Rex Ellington, Norman OK ellingto@ou.edu Rex T. Ellington ellingto@gslan.offsys.uoknor.edu - --------------B5E71B65A1B-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:24:47 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Magazines I also agree that anything with an airplane on the cover is worth reading. However I give five Stars, and a KR2 decal to the magazine "Flight Training". I've gotten my second free issue and plan to send the $$$ soon. It's a great magazine on flying technique. (get your CFI to sign you up for your free issues) - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:51:31 -0700 From: rahuman@swbell.net Subject: Re: KR: I HATE vinylester!!!! Mark Langford wrote: > > I just finished floxing and taping the four sides of my first wing tank > into position. I'm lucky that all I have to throw away is several brushes, > 10 pairs of gloves, and a pair of scissors. It could have been my spars. > Although I'm using the minimum 1% ratio at 72 degrees, this stuff becomes > incredibly sticky in 10 minutes. You can't put anything down, without > stepping on it first to pull it loose. Place a tape, and when you try to > let go you pull a string loose, and unravel the whole thing, screwing up > the joint. I sure wish I'd known how this stuff was before I made all of > my tank panels out of it. I thought it would be smart to flox fillet and > tape all of the joints in the tank (except the bottom) at one time to > enhance integrity. Wrong. > > And you can't use packing tape as a release agent, or polyethylene to layup > the glass. Vinylester shrivels it up. I watched in amazement as a piece > of 24"x 24" polyethylene rolled itself up completely into a perfect 1/2" > diameter hollow tube, immediately after peeling it away from my layup. > > It's too hard to explain how I'm trying to do this, but suffice it to say > that this isn't the way to do it. If you can't do it in ten minutes, use > something else. Too bad I don't have a couple of airplanes to practice on. > My recommendation is to avoid vinylester at all costs, or you too may have > a pair of scissors glued to the inside of your wing tank forever... > > Go ahead, Tell me how wonderful it is. I ain't listenin'. You people who > haven't made your fuel tanks yet, consider yourselves warned. This is NOT > the stuff to use. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > email at langford@hiwaay.net > KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford Amen - that stuff cost me a set of Diehl Wing Skins ! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:26:50 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Gathering Webpage Some photo shops will put your photos on CD but this takes about a week. Kinkos will scan photos for $7.00 or so a page, and you can get 4 or so pictures to a page. I bought a scanner, but now think a digital camera is in the future for me. Brian Bland wrote: > > I have made some small changes to the Gathering webpage. I will be > posting information about what went on in Perry late Friday and > Saturday night when I get home from Perry. I will try to post some > pictures as soon as possible. Anyone know how I can get some pictures > scanned as soon as I get them developed? I don't have a scanner yet. > Any ideas? > > Brian J Bland > Claremore, OK > > bbland@busprod.com - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:33:11 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Re: Rollbars MikeTnyc@aol.com wrote: > Can any of the engineeering guys here give some insight on how to determine > how strong a roll-bar needs to be and how to test one to see how strong it > is? Obviously, slamming your plane upside-down onto the runway from various > heights would work, but there must be a test that would simulate a turnover > of a KR at gross weight but would be destructive only to the rollbar being > tested. > > Mike TaglieriJust a thought, How heavy is your mother-in-law? (Actually I like my mother-in-law, and she is rather light, but the image was kinda funny) - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:48:03 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Aeropoxy Micheal Mims wrote: This > time I bought the latest recipe and what a difference! You can mix it 3 to > 1 by volume which is much easier,.. it wets out VERY nice and the surface > was tack free in 24 hours!! The numbers you should look for are PR2095 and > PH3662.Aeropoxy is good stuff. (At least it wet's out KR glass and KEVLAR well and cures... I haven't stress tested anything.) - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:53:23 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Honeycomb If you live on the left coast Boeing surplus can be fun. Used tools are sold by the pound... Got some saftey goggles for $1.00 ea. MARVIN MCCOY wrote: > > ---------------- > Anyone in the Seattle area. I was at the Boeing surplus store > and I just picked up some Phenolic Honeycomb for $3.50 a sheet. They > had it priced at $1.00 per pound. The sheets are 54 by 96 and 7/16 > thick. I couldn't believe the price. I am not sure what I will use it > for yet, but most likely, I will make my seat and seat back with it. In > anycase it will be fun to experiment with. > > Marvin McCoy > Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field > Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net > ------------------ - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:13:25 -0600 From: Adrian Carter Subject: KR: Perry To everyone heading for Perry, may you have a safe and happy flight. Sure wish I could join you guys because I know it is going to be an informative and social weekend. This is the first KR-Flyin that I know of that was not associated with some other aviation event. I will be looking forward to photos that will be placed on the net. This is something that is appreciated to home bound guys like myself. HAVE A GOOD ONE, GUYS!!!! Adrian VE6AFY cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:19:12 -0400 From: "Jim Daly" Subject: Re: KR: Gathering Webpage >Ross Youngblood > KRNET-L administrator >Date: September 16, 1997 22:26 wrote: > > Some photo shops will put your photos on CD but this takes about > a week. Kinkos will scan photos for $7.00 or so a page, and you > can get 4 or so pictures to a page. I bought a scanner, but > now think a digital camera is in the future for me. > > ========= Stay with the scanner! The resoloution is way better than most of the digital cameras.....unless you got big bucks! Did a test...scanned picture and digital picture.... Scanned picture was don at 300 dpi, digital cam only gave 150 max and needed alot of light! Imported both int MSWord and printed them side by each eh! on an HP850C....BIG DIFF!!! If you already got the scanner, I'd spend the money on a good GPS for the KR! Jim "Mid-Air" Daly Mississauga, Ontario Canada mailto:rcscale@interlog.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 20:33:54 -0700 From: Al Hawkins Subject: KR: Perry arrival I hope to be arriving in Perry about 7:00pm Perry time. Alastair Hawkins Port Coquitlam, B.C. Canada ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:46:46 -0600 From: "Jeb" Subject: Re: KR: Web Page update I left that ISP back before I moved to NM, I told them it was OK to delete that webpage, but it's still there!!! Meanwhile I finally got my Dragonfly canopy frame tonite. It's sitting on my fuselage and looks cool, I probably won't get to start on it though 'til after Perry. I'd loaned the digital camera to Jeff to snap some photos of a Glassair trim system, and when he dropped it off tonite I took a picture of the canopy frame on my project, will post it to my webpage tomorrow ( I don't have the software here at home) Mike Mimms - Are you going to bring a digital camera to Perry??? If not maybe I can sneak this one. John jeb@thuntek.net www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm >Jeb, > Well, I checked that second web page and there was different >stuff there, so I thought I'd reference it. I'll check it >again and remove it. > -- Ross > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:00:18 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Web Page update At 09:46 PM 9/16/97 -0600, you wrote: >Mike Mimms - Are you going to bring a digital camera to Perry??? >If not maybe I can sneak this one. > >John >jeb@thuntek.net I think I can bring it along. I can download the pictures when I get home on Sunday. Hope you guys who are not able to attend can wait until Sunday night to see pictures! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / _\/\/_ _____/_//\\_\_____ F-117 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:04:51 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: I've got a flight to OKC! On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:49:28 -0700 enewbold@sprynet.com writes: >Well, guys, I've managed to get a flight to/from OKC on Southwest Air. > >I'll be arriving at OKC Friday night at 9:50pm and departing the following >Sunday morning at 9:05am. > >So, when I get in, I'll rent a car, but wouldn't I be smarter to find a motel in >OKC for friday night, drive out to Perry first thing saturday morning, then >return to that OKC motel late saturday night? > >I await your collective advice. Thanks. > >Ed Newbold >EAA Chapter 443 Newsletter Editor >Columbus, OH > I'm sure there will be a couple of KR night owls lighting up the motel bar if you get to Perry late Friday evening, but for flying interests, I would plan to be there starting early Saturday morning. - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #98 ****************************