From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, December 08, 1997 12:45 PM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n099' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #99 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Thursday, September 18 1997 Volume 01 : Number 099 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 00:46:30 -0400 (EDT) From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: I HATE vinylester!!!! > My recommendation is to avoid vinylester at all costs, or you too may have >a pair of scissors glued to the inside of your wing tank forever... >> >>Go ahead, Tell me how wonderful it is. I ain't listenin'. You people who >>haven't made your fuel tanks yet, consider yourselves warned. This is NOT >the stuff to use. >> > >Dude,...been there done that and aint ever doing it again! > > I would tell you how nice my wing tanks panels are coming along and how >nice it is to flox and tape with Aeropoxy but I am willing to bet you don't >want to hear about it! I thought I've read that vinylester is the most fuelproof. If true, doesn't that make it worth it? Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 03:02:47 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: I've got a flight to OKC! In a message dated 97-09-16 13:51:48 EDT, you write: << So, when I get in, I'll rent a car, but wouldn't I be smarter to find a motel in OKC for friday night, drive out to Perry first thing saturday morning, then return to that OKC motel late saturday night? >> Ed: Glad to hear you be a'com'in. Ol' Wild Turkey...er, I mean Norm K. & Southwest, had a good deal after all. It is 60 miles or so to Perry, so either way would work. Heck, the BBQ should still be a hot spot at 11 PM Friday, if not, for sure Motel #1 #2 or #3 will still be jumping. We don't slow down very early... Randy Stein ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 03:03:05 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Perrykosh Alert In a message dated 97-09-17 02:11:03 EDT, you write: KRNetters: The following message was intercepted by the underground and forwarded to me (kind of silly since it was addressed to me to start with). The Nieuport Numb Butts Squadron chickened out. They are going to make a ground level run on Perry International Weedpatch. Our air defenses frightened them off and once again proved to we worthy of a couple of fly-in beers. If we can just finger out who didn't take a shower and gets the air defense credit on this one, we'll give 'em the well earned nose art tatoo on the snoozer: << Wow Randy, thanks for response. Turns out that after mapping out the trip and remembering numb butts, Dick Starks and Dick Lemons decided not fly down and back, so we'll be hauling my Nieuport down on a trailer instead. Not as cool but quicker and more reliable with the midwest weather and all. We plan to leave early Friday morning to arrive and be flying by later Friday afternoon. Yes, Starks is planing an article about the trip and event. I'm anxious to see all the KRs again this year with the possibility of building a KR-2S sometime in the near future and we're all anxious to shoot the breeze with lots of other airplane folks.... >> Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 04:07:22 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: I've got a flight to OKC! >Glad to hear you be a'com'in. Ol' Wild Turkey...er, I mean Norm K. & >Southwest, had a good deal after all. It is 60 miles or so to Perry, so >either way would work. Heck, the BBQ should still be a hot spot at 11 PM >Friday, if not, for sure Motel #1 #2 or #3 will still be jumping. We don't >slow down very early... Randy, for the dense among us (me), could you please reiterate the motel's phone number for me? I'd like to call them and get booked. Thanks. Ed Newbold ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 04:15:24 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: Bill's engine still for sale Mark, >I talked to Wild Bill about his engine, and I guess it's still for sale. >Still going for $200, ... Is this still valid? I'd like to keep the one I have intact for my KR-2 and get something like this for the Hummelbird. Where's the engine located? I'd like to start planning on how to get it to Columbus, OH, if it's still available. Thanks, Ed Newbold ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:13:45 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR: I've got a flight to OKC! At 04:07 AM 9/17/97 -0700, you wrote: >>Glad to hear you be a'com'in. Ol' Wild Turkey...er, I mean Norm K. & >>Southwest, had a good deal after all. It is 60 miles or so to Perry, so >>either way would work. Heck, the BBQ should still be a hot spot at 11 PM >>Friday, if not, for sure Motel #1 #2 or #3 will still be jumping. We don't >>slow down very early... > >Randy, for the dense among us (me), could you please reiterate the motel's phone >number for me? I'd like to call them and get booked. Thanks. > >Ed Newbold > >Ed (and anybody else), Best Western was booked solid when I called on Sunday. You might check for cancellations, tho. I found a room at Day's INN. (405-336-2277). Price was $50.36 + tax, with no discounts, for room with 2 double beds. Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 05:54:49 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: I HATE vinylester!!!! At 12:46 AM 9/17/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Dude,...been there done that and aint ever doing it again! >> >> I would tell you how nice my wing tanks panels are coming along and how nice it is to flox and tape with Aeropoxy but I am willing to bet you don't want to hear about it! > >I thought I've read that vinylester is the most fuelproof. If true, doesn't >that make it worth it? > >Mike Taglieri Yep I guess it is (most fuel proof),.. but just plain fuel proof is good enough for me! There are hundreds if not thousands of fuel tanks made out of epoxy and they are still holding fuel. I for one can not handle the aroma of vinylester, it reeks!! Considering where I am building my KR that alone would get me evicted! Besides the odor makes me nauseous. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / _\/\/_ _____/_//\\_\_____ F-117 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 06:03:51 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Perrykosh Alert At 03:03 AM 9/17/97 -0400, you wrote: I'm anxious to see all the KRs again this > year with the possibility of building a KR-2S sometime in the near > future and we're all anxious to shoot the breeze with lots of other > airplane folks.... >> > >Randy Stein >BSHADR@aol.com >Soviet Monica, CA > Speaking of KR2S's, will there be a true 2S at the gathering this year? I cant wait to bring my beast to the 98 gathering! Of course it aint a true 2S either! Oh Well! If it aint flying and the gathering is closer to the left coast I will drag it behind a truck! :o) Has any thought been given to 98? Where When How Why? I vote Chino but that's a long way for East coast folks! OH well if Chino I volunteer Randy and Myself to coordinate it! Do we have to have a flying KR to sponsor a gathering? Man I better get in gear! Randy tell your wife you will be spending ever other weekend down here! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / _\/\/_ _____/_//\\_\_____ F-117 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:41:12 -0700 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: I HATE vinylester!!!! Steve Bennett wrote: > > I am not positive because it has been a while since I've used either > vinylester or epoxy resin. I believe that they will stick to each > other but have an extreamly low shear strength. When using vinylester > resing, I believe I would stick with using the same resing as the > bonding agent. Steve Bennett I have checked several references and there is a standard warning concerning mixing the resin types. Epoxy can be used over poly/vinylester and an acceptable bond created. The esters can not generally be applied over epoxy. The bond will fail at the material interface. The simple solution is to not mix types. Pick one and "stick" with it. - -- Don Reid donreid@erols.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:03:12 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: I HATE vinylester!!!! At 09:41 AM 9/17/97 -0700, you wrote: >I have checked several references and there is a standard warning concerning mixing the resin types. Epoxy can be used over poly/vinylester and an acceptable bond created. The esters can not generally be applied over epoxy. > The bond will fail at the material interface. The simple solution is to not >mix types. Pick one and "stick" with it. >-- >Don Reid >donreid@erols.com > There have also been issues with mixing different brands of epoxy, I think some of the Cozy builders ran into a problem laying up Aeropoxy over something else. I think you should try to build each component from the same type and brand of epoxy to be on the safe side. If you must switch do it when its time to start construction on a different piece. My main fuel tank is made using EZpoxy, my tail feathers - Rand Epoxy, Wing tanks - Aero-Poxy. ON a KR this can be done but on a straight composite design (EZ, Dragonfly, Quicky) where you must eventually bond all the parts together it is VERY important to "stick" with the same type and brand of epoxy from begriming to end of the project! A delam in the wing attach bulkhead would ah.....kinda suck! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:07:17 -0400 From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: KR: Coming soon to a screen near you... Email (repy) to cary@storm.ca Web page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/ KR2 area http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2.shtml I added a picture of the panel to my page. ( http://www/storm.ca/~cary/kr2-5.htm ) and put a picture of the KR out of the garage on the kr2 page. Looks pretty sad without a proper paint job. To those going to Perry: have fun. Take pictures. Make video. Send me same. - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:57:53 -0400 From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: Re: KR: Gathering Webpage Email (repy) to cary@storm.ca Web page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/ KR2 area http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2.shtml - ---------- > From: Jim Daly > >Ross Youngblood > ========= > The resoloution is way better than most of the digital cameras.....unless > you got big bucks! > > Did a test...scanned picture and digital picture.... > Scanned picture was don at 300 dpi, digital cam only gave 150 max and > needed alot of light! @interlog.com All the pictures on my site, except for the "Home" page, were taken with a Kodak DC50 camera. Retails up here for about a grand. My "Home" page pictures were scanned using a cheap ($350 Can) scanner. Mind you, I don't have to pay for developing film. I took the latest pictures at 1915 yesterday, and published them at 2000! The advantage starts at convenience and speed. If you take a lot of pictures, you can add cost as an advantage too. - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:35:52 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: I've got a flight to OKC! In a message dated 97-09-17 07:11:02 EDT, you write: << Randy, for the dense among us (me), could you please reiterate the motel's phone number for me? I'd like to call them and get booked. Thanks. >> The main motel is Best Western (405) 336-5954 They are likely booked, but will refer you to one of the overflow motels in the area. See you there. Randy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:31:00 -0400 From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: KR: Re: Coming soon to a screen near you... Email (repy) to cary@storm.ca Web page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/ KR2 area http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2.shtml - ---------- > > http://www/storm.ca/~cary/kr2-5.htm ) Sorry. That should have been http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2-5.htm . Side by side keys are a pain. - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:16:48 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Gathering Woes I won't be able to make it to the Gathering this year. I just canceled my room reservation at the Cherokee Strip, (9/17 12:00PDT) so if someone needs a room here is your chance. The good news is the money I would have spent on airfare, hotel and car, is now becoming KR parts. I've ordered another gallon of system III primer, a 90 degree fuel fitting for my Ellison EFS-2 ($45.00), and a quart of blue trim. I'm hoping to get some work done on the project this weekend and expect to hear great things about the gathering to spur me on! Don't let me down! Perhaps I can round up some local EAA helpers to get my project out to the airport this weekend (After painting) then I can focus on wiring things up to fire up the engine before Christmas! -- Regards Ross - -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:14:34 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Gathering Webpage Jim Daly wrote: IFF!!! > > If you already got the scanner, I'd spend the money on a good GPS for the > KR!It's on my shopping list. Actually a Terra Transponder, and a Apollo GPS/COM are on the wish list. - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:27:28 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Great Planes Alternator Questions I've got a couple of questions regarding my GPASC alternator. I plan to give Steve a call but I can't find the catalog! (I have a Great Plains 1835cc and Diehl Accessory case with the "?Honda?" alternator) So this is the next best thing. (Also I can check out his website). At any rate.. here are the questions: 1) What is the Max Output of the Alternator? This may impact the size of fuse/circuit breaker I place on my main busbar. A 60A fuse was illustrated in a Tony Bengillis schematic, but I'm thinking this was for some SERIOUS avionics. I don't expect that my Alternator/Battery combo can keep up with that kind of current. 2) There are three tabs on the "Regulator/Rectifier?" which came with the alternater two which are connected to the alternator. I'm assuming that the remaining connection is regulated 12V (or 14V?), also I assume that the case is GROUNDED. Any tips? I found my engine manual, so I'm going to give Steve a call. - -- Ross Youngblood KRNET-L administrator mailto:rossy@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:55:57 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: GPASC Alternator Output I found Steve's phone number on my own webpage...(DUH!) And got the answers to my alternator questions, so I thought I would post them. Alternator Output -> 16 Amps @3200 RPM 20 Amps @3600 RPM This gives me a good idea of how to size the wiring fuses etc. - -- Regards Ross ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:21:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Krwr1@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Bill's engine still for sale Hi ED Bill Here The Engine is still for sale, and I have a son in Kettering Dayton, that I'll be visiting around the 5 th of oct. You could pick it up there ,,or come up to youngstown before that. Call me if you like.. 330-792-6692 WildBill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:27:49 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Great Planes Alternator Questions In a message dated 97-09-17 16:41:09 EDT, Ross wrote: <<...Any tips? I found my engine manual, so I'm going to give Steve a call. >> Sorry Ross. If you don't come and play in Perrykosh, we aint gonna help you. I'll be talking with Steve Friday. What was the alternator question again? Randy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:30:35 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: I HATE vinylester!!!! On Wed, 17 Sep 1997 00:46:30 -0400 (EDT) MikeTnyc@aol.com writes: >> My recommendation is to avoid vinylester at all costs, or you too may have >>a pair of scissors glued to the inside of your wing tank forever... >>> >>>Go ahead, Tell me how wonderful it is. I ain't listenin'. You people who >>>haven't made your fuel tanks yet, consider yourselves warned. This is NOT >>the stuff to use. >>> >> >>Dude,...been there done that and aint ever doing it again! >> >> I would tell you how nice my wing tanks panels are coming along and how >>nice it is to flox and tape with Aeropoxy but I am willing to bet you don't >>want to hear about it! > >I thought I've read that vinylester is the most fuelproof. If true, doesn't >that make it worth it? > >Mike Taglieri > Com'on Mike, as a lawyer, you should surely recognize a good temper tantrum by now. ;o) This one was complete with everything but the stamping feet and I think that's just cause we don't have a good way to express that over the net. Jeff - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:32:08 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Gathering Webpage- DC50 camera >All the pictures on my site, except for the "Home" page, were taken with a >Kodak DC50 camera. Retails up here for about a grand. My "Home" page >pictures were scanned using a cheap ($350 Can) scanner. Mind you, I don't >have to pay for developing film. I took the latest pictures at 1915 >yesterday, and published them at 2000! The advantage starts at convenience >and speed. If you take a lot of pictures, you can add cost as an advantage >too. > >- Cary - > Cary....do NOT read futher! fluff fill to avoid problems more fluff yet more fluff This ought to be enough The DC50 camera recently had a price drop... now about $500 in the US. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:16:40 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Mike Graves At 06:40 PM 9/16/97 -0700, you wrote: >Bobby Muse wrote: >> >> At 09:03 PM 9/9/97 EDT, you wrote: >> > > >I wasn't sure what picking up KRNET-L was going to be like, but I've learned a lot, and >had a lot of fun. It does take a bit of time to keep after > > -- Regards > Ross > >-- Thank you for your hard work, Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:16:42 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Perry At 09:13 PM 9/16/97 -0600, you wrote: >To everyone heading for Perry, may you have a safe and happy flight. > This is the first KR-Flyin that I >know of that was not associated with some other aviation event. >HAVE A GOOD ONE, GUYS!!!! > >Adrian VE6AFY > This is a KR Gathering, not a KR_Flyin. We have been having KR Gatherings for several years. This year should be about #12. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:16:44 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: KR: Re: KR I need some information: Does anyone know the torque value fot a 'Ed Serba Prop' bolts? Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:01:20 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: Gathering Webpage- DC50 camera >>All the pictures on my site, except for the "Home" page, were taken with a >>Kodak DC50 camera. Retails up here for about a grand. My "Home" page >>pictures were scanned using a cheap ($350 Can) scanner. Mind you, I don't >>have to pay for developing film. I took the latest pictures at 1915 >>yesterday, and published them at 2000! The advantage starts at convenience >>and speed. If you take a lot of pictures, you can add cost as an advantage >>too. - Cary - >The DC50 camera recently had a price drop... now about $500 in the US. >Ron To anyone concerned. The Casio QV-11 digital camera has been on sale for the past two months at Best Buy stores for $299. Holds 96 shots and comes with software and cables to attach to PC, MAC or TV. If you want to see the resolution, go to my test photo page where I have four shots of a Smyth Sidewinder I was thinking about buying (but have since decided not to): http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/enewbold/sidewind.htm Just thought I'd throw this in for the heck of it. I'll have this little camera at Perrykosh if anyone wants to see/play with it. Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:28:30 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR: I've got a flight to OKC! Randy Stein wrote: > The main motel is Best Western (405) 336-5954 Close, but it's really (405) 336-2218. The number above will get you Don Betchan's wife, and she's got a few words for Randy now... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford - ---------- > From: BSHADR@aol.com > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: I've got a flight to OKC! > Date: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 10:35 AM > > In a message dated 97-09-17 07:11:02 EDT, you write: > > << Randy, for the dense among us (me), could you please reiterate the motel's > phone > number for me? I'd like to call them and get booked. Thanks. >> > > The main motel is Best Western (405) 336-5954 > > They are likely booked, but will refer you to one of the overflow motels in > the area. > > See you there. > > Randy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:29:28 -0400 From: dennis ambrose Subject: Re: KR: Re: Bungee Trim Systems (formerly Airworthiness Certificate) At 02:21 AM 9/16/97 -0400, you wrote: >>>He was right concerning the trim tab. I changed mine to a spring setup >>>on the control stick and used a RV type window crank to adjust the >>>tension. It works so good that I did the same thing on the rudder. > >>How about sharing how its done! I myself don't like the plans trim system >>and was just about to flox the piece that I cut out for the tab back in and >>come up with something better! PLEASE share! >the other of the bungee. Below, the trim wheel is being rotated back (Arrow >A), which pulls on the front of the bungee cord, moving the top cable forward >(Arrow B) and pulling the whole elevator (not a trimtab) up. > >A bungee system eliminates a trimtab completely and allows the whole >elevator to be trimmed, so you'd never run out of trim >Mike Taglieri Does anyone have an opinion about how much elevator deflection is required when trimming the whole elevator? The plans call for 20 deg. down and 30 deg. up but what numbers would you use fora trim range. Thanks Dennis( Mid way throught re-designing the trim system) Ambrose ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:12:00 From: Ron Lee Subject: KR: Another Perrykosh dropout I just cancelled my Best Western reservations at 8 PM MDT. Sigh. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:40:13 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Gathering Webpage- DC50 camera At 06:01 PM 9/17/97 -0700, you wrote: >To anyone concerned. The Casio QV-11 digital camera has been on sale for the past two months at Best Buy stores for $299. Holds 96 shots and comes with software and cables to attach to PC, MAC or TV. > >If you want to see the resolution, go to my test photo page where I have four shots of a Smyth Sidewinder I was thinking about buying (but have since decided >not to): 95% of the photos on my web site were created with the first generation Casio, I also have a scanner but prefer the Casio any day! It doesn't take great pictures but with the help of Picture Publisher or Photo Shop they look OK, at least for web sites. If hard copies is what you want use the old 35mm. What was wrong with the Sidewinder? I almost built one of those instead! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:51:20 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Perrykosh Update 9/17/97 KRNetters: Perrykosh non attendees have a link. I've confirmed one, maybe two digital cameras and computers will be onsite. So we should be able to figure some way to upload photos and give ya a clue what fun we will be having. Stay tuned to KRNet for the news flashes from the front line. The Dawn Patrol will be writing an article about the KR Gathering, so expect some press in Kitplanes...oh, I forgot, there is nothing KR related to read in Kitplanes. Well that is about to change. Dawn Patrol's Dick "Numb Butt One" Starks, has agreed to write an article about the Gathering! So now sports fans, you guys get to try and figure out what deeds us KRCops must inflict on the Dawn Patrol as retribution for invading the land of Perrykosh. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:49:00 -0600 From: Adrian Carter Subject: Re: KR: Perry Bobby Muse wrote: > > At 09:13 PM 9/16/97 -0600, you wrote: > >To everyone heading for Perry, may you have a safe and happy flight. > > > This is the first KR-Flyin that I > >know of that was not associated with some other aviation event. > > >HAVE A GOOD ONE, GUYS!!!! > > > >Adrian VE6AFY > > > > This is a KR Gathering, not a KR_Flyin. We have been having > KR Gatherings for several years. This year should be about #12. > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX Ohhh! I stand corrected - -- Adrian VE6AFY cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:58:38 -0600 From: "Jeb" Subject: KR: Set of Plans Wanted A Mr. Dennis K. Boettcher (507) 526-2586 bought a KR2 but it didn't come with plans. If anyone has a set give him a call he called while I was down to Jeff's getting the cowling and (good) stuff for the fly-market, but Jeff's hard disk lost it's file partition table so he couldn't post this. John jeb@thuntek.net www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:54:39 -0700 From: Robert Covington Subject: KR: Re: Perrykosh Update 9/17/97 >KRNetters: > >Perrykosh non attendees have a link. I've confirmed one, maybe two digital >cameras and computers will be onsite. So we should be able to figure some >way to upload photos and give ya a clue what fun we will be having. Stay >tuned to KRNet for the news flashes from the front line. > >The Dawn Patrol will be writing an article about the KR Gathering, so expect >some press in Kitplanes...oh, I forgot, there is nothing KR related to read >in Kitplanes. Well that is about to change. Dawn Patrol's Dick "Numb Butt >One" Starks, has agreed to write an article about the Gathering! So now >sports fans, you guys get to try and figure out what deeds us KRCops must >inflict on the Dawn Patrol as retribution for invading the land of Perrykosh. > >Randy Stein >BSHADR@aol.com >Soviet Monica, CA This is great, I should do him a shirt. ;) "Neuport: It isn't just a Cigarette." Anybody have any weather reports? Will we need a decent jacket, or is it still hot there? Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:08:18 -0700 From: Robert Covington Subject: KR: Re:Gathering Webpage- DC50 camera/Scanner >At 06:01 PM 9/17/97 -0700, you wrote: >>To anyone concerned. The Casio QV-11 digital camera has been on sale for >the past two months at Best Buy stores for $299. Holds 96 shots and comes >with software and cables to attach to PC, MAC or TV. >> >>If you want to see the resolution, go to my test photo page where I have >four shots of a Smyth Sidewinder I was thinking about buying (but have >since decided >>not to): > > >95% of the photos on my web site were created with the first generation >Casio, I also have a scanner but prefer the Casio any day! It doesn't take >great pictures but with the help of Picture Publisher or Photo Shop they >look OK, at least for web sites. If hard copies is what you want use the >old 35mm. > >What was wrong with the Sidewinder? I almost built one of those instead! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. >mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com >http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand > > \ / > \ _\/\/_ > / __/_//\\_\_____ > > F-117 >Having structural failure! I have a Umax Astra 1200S scanner, and it works great. I will be taking about 16 rolls of pictures (non-digital) at the gathering, and will be posting a lot of these, particularly the Mike Mims incriminating ones, to the WWW. ;) The Astra can be found for cheap now, the 300X600 optical resolution one is real real cheap. Mine came with a $50 rebate, so it came out to be $350 for a true 600X1200 optical system. I can live with that. Really makes those washed out through-the-blinds pool shots come alive. ;) Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 19:23:49 GMT From: mathewrz@iafrica.com (Rob Matthews) Subject: Re: KR: Great Planes Alternator Questions On 17/9/97 10:27PM, in message <34203D30.3EF7@teleport.com>, Ross Youngblood wrote: > I've got a couple of questions regarding my GPASC alternator. > I plan to give Steve a call but I can't find the catalog! > > (I have a Great Plains 1835cc and Diehl Accessory case with > the "?Honda?" alternator) > > So this is the next best thing. (Also I can check out his website). > > At any rate.. here are the questions: > > 1) What is the Max Output of the Alternator? > This may impact the size of fuse/circuit breaker I place > on my main busbar. > A 60A fuse was illustrated in a Tony Bengillis schematic, > but I'm thinking this was for some SERIOUS avionics. I > don't expect that my Alternator/Battery combo > can keep up with that kind of current. > > 2) There are three tabs on the "Regulator/Rectifier?" which > came with the alternater two which are connected to the > alternator. I'm assuming that the remaining connection is regulated > 12V (or > 14V?), also I assume that the case is GROUNDED. > > Any tips? I found my engine manual, so I'm going to give Steve a call. > > -- > Ross Youngblood > KRNET-L administrator > mailto:rossy@teleport.com > http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm > Hi Ross Normally there are 4 points on the rectifier. Can only presume that they are using the case as your earth and expect you to pick up your negative of the battery through the grounding of your installation. Very similar to the old motor cars and bikes story. Thanks for the reply on the picture, I have a couple of pictures that i would like to send to you for those who want to see my nose gear config. Regards - -- Rob Matthews Have a nice day South Africa email mathewrz@iafrica.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 04:05:38 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: I've got a flight to OKC! >> The main motel is Best Western (405) 336-xxxx >Close, but it's really (405) 336-2218. The number above will get you Don >Betchan's wife, ... >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL Hahaha! And man... I'll bet *THAT* would really tick off Don! ;-> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 04:29:25 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: DC50 camera - Smyth Sidewinder Hi Mike. >95% of the photos on my web site were created with the first generation >Casio, I also have a scanner but prefer the Casio any day! It doesn't take >great pictures but with the help of Picture Publisher or Photo Shop they >look OK, at least for web sites. If hard copies is what you want use the >old 35mm. That's why I'm bringing both - the digital and my regular 35mm. One for the web, the other for my photo album. >What was wrong with the Sidewinder? I almost built one of those instead! This particular one had a 160hp Lycoming O-320 engine in it with only 200 hours on it. So, I *ran* up to see it immediately. The owner told me the compression readings were: Cylinder - reading Cylinder - reading 2 76 1 69 4 79 3 70 I asked about the low readings on the 1 & 3 cylinders, and he told me he tried out "long" plugs in the engine one day (on a "mechanics" suggestion) and damn near experienced engine failure. Seems that the pistons were making contact with those long plugs, which closed the plug gaps. He says it didn't damage the engine, but my own local mechanic says that ANY cylinder compression reading under 70 (on a Lycoming O-320) should render that airplane "un-airworthy". The owner did acknowledge this might be a problem, but wasn't willing to negotiate the price. Plus, it was tight in the cockpit. My head (without headsets on) was touching the top of the canopy, and I'm only 5'11". Plus, it had an Edo-aire 360 channel Nav-Com in it. Definitely outdated and needing replacement. So, even though it routinely cruised at 200 mph and looked slicker than snot, I still passed on it. Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 04:37:15 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: Another Perrykosh dropout - Rats! >I just cancelled my Best Western reservations at 8 PM MDT. >Sigh. >Ron Oh, no. Nothing serious is it Ron? Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:03:32 -0400 (EDT) From: LDeckert@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: I HATE vinylester!!!! << On Wed, 17 Sep 1997 00:46:30 -0400 (EDT) MikeTnyc@aol.com writes: >> My recommendation is to avoid vinylester at all costs, or you too may have a pair of scissors glued to the inside of your wing tank forever... snip, snip, snip >>> I used the vinylester for the fuel tanks and Dan's wing skins and the wing stubs. What I found out over time was that there is three basic 'mixes', promoted, non-promoted and slow. The promoted stuff is for cold weather, and it really sets up fast when it is warm/hot!!! The non-promoted will begin to set up in about 20-30 minutes, and the slow stuff takes over-night. All this depends on how much MEKP is used to kick it off. I found a syring (sp??) at a drug store that is used to give children a measured amount of stuff like cough syrup, marked up to 10 ML (milli-liters?) Anyway, I used it as a ML is a CC, and mixed the non-promoted in warm weather as 4 cc's of MEK to 8 ounces of vinylester. After I had used the stuff for a while, and learned how much to mix, I liked using it. Didn't have to wait to the next day to go on to the next piece, some of the things I worked on (wing tank walls) were ready to use in 3 hours. I did find out that you want to use the slow vinylester to put Dan's wing skins on, unless you have 6 or so folks to help out. I had 3 and myself, and even mixed to slow the setup time (non-promoted vinylester), we really had to be on the move to get the stuff down and the top wing skin on. Anyway, hope this helps. Larry Deckert Sandy, Ut 801-561-3573 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 06:45:50 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Another Perrykosh dropout - Rats! At 04:37 97/9/18 -0700, you wrote: >>I just cancelled my Best Western reservations at 8 PM MDT. >>Sigh. >>Ron > >Oh, no. Nothing serious is it Ron? > >Ed Newbold >Columbus, OH > No. JUst realized that it is about 550 miles each way...too far to drive for me and airfare is too expensive. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:25:03 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR:Turbo-prop KR-2 Brian Bland wrote: > > Hello everyone! > > I had the oportunity to see Steve Trentman's turbo-prop KR-2 > on Saturday. It is just incredible to see a KR-2 taxi up and only > hear the sound of a turbine running. > I couldn't seem to get Steve to talk much about his KR-2 > though. All I could get out of him was that he was going to try to > make it to the gathering. I also overheard that he was now cruising > at about 180 MPH. > Steve's Kr would look great if it had at least a couple of > extra feet between the cockpit and the tail. It just looks kind of > weird with the long nose and short tail. > All I know is that it sure sounded great and I heard a few > F-16 pilots say that they would love to fly it. (Steve and I am > currently serving in the Oklahoma Air National Guard in Tulsa.) > > Well thats all for now. > > See you in Perry!!! > > Brian J Bland > Claremore, Ok > > bbland@busprod.com I sat next to a guy at last year's KR dinner who is working on a turbo-prop KR. His name is Mike Ladigo (sp?) and he is from OK. He said he planned to be done by now and fly to Perry for this year's Gathering. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 07:38:38 -0600 From: "Jeb" Subject: KR: Perrykosh I am out the door, see ya'll in about 10 hours!! can't wait John jeb@thuntek.net www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 10:13:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Re: Perrykosh WX In a message dated 9/18/97 12:53:38 AM, you wrote: <> We're expecting a cold front to come through the southern OK/TX border area sometime on Friday. We're currently experiencing temperatures in the upper 90s, but forecast is for highs in the mid 70s by friday. I would expect that it will be typical seasonal weather during the gathering. Would be a good idea to have some warm clothes which could be shed easily as the temps will probably rise in the late morning on Saturday. Only scattered thunderstorms forecast for the weekend. Should be good flying weather during most of the weekend. Steve Horn Horn2004@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:44:42 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: DC50 camera - Smyth Sidewinder At 04:29 AM 9/18/97 -0700, you wrote: but my own local mechanic says that ANY cylinder compression reading >under 70 (on a Lycoming O-320) should render that airplane "un-airworthy". The >owner did acknowledge this might be a problem, but wasn't willing to negotiate >the price. > >Plus, it was tight in the cockpit. My head (without headsets on) was touching >the top of the canopy, and I'm only 5'11". > >Plus, it had an Edo-aire 360 channel Nav-Com in it. Definitely outdated and >needing replacement. > >So, even though it routinely cruised at 200 mph and looked slicker than snot, I >still passed on it. > Well if they were all low 71, 72, 69, 69 I would have felt a lot better about it that's for sure! Those kinds of airplanes have to come on real cheep or they are just not worth it! ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #99 ****************************