From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, December 08, 1997 12:47 PM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n101' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #101 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Tuesday, September 23 1997 Volume 01 : Number 101 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:25:25 -0700 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Perrykosh Abrupt Arrival >On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 09:24:37 -0500, you wrote: > >>At 09:08 9/21/97 -0700, you wrote: >> >>>> and instant repairs ( A Friday crosswind arrival wiped out its nosegear & >>>> prop.) >>>> >>>> The airport manager - Don Betchan & friends - promptly orchestrated the >>>> design uprating and repair of the nosegear leg and the loan of a shiny new >>>> prop >>>> - to the pilot's utter amazement >> >>>Brian, >>> >>>Who had the accident? >>> >>>Tom Crawford >> >>The fellow who flew in from Texas in a very nice looking -2, told me his >>name >>- but I'm sorry, it evaporated in the general excitement. >> Naturally, I remember the unimportant detail in perfect clarity: >>like Don provided him the airport courtesy car (a not so old Impala which >>he described as the 67 model; actually '87) >> >> >>brian whatcott >>Altus OK > > >The only thing I remember is that his name was Dennis and his KR had >Striker 1 on the vertical stabilizer and it was white with red trim. I >may have a photo of it, I will post post the photos on the Gathering >webpage when I get them developed today. His KR didn't have very bad >damage. I believe that his nosegear sheared of and his prop was >damaged and their was minor scrapes on the bottom of the cowl. It was >sitting out with the other KR's by Saturday morning. > >Brian J Bland >Claremore, OK > >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9904 I took two rolls of pics on this particular bird in the arrival state (far and up close, real close) and the fixed state. Will post some later this week I hope. I overheard that this was the second time he had knocked it off; I think someone said this one was due in part to having his brakes locked up when he came down from a bounce. And not enough hours in his plane. But I didn't ask how it all happened. Just seemed to get away from him, a lot of that due to the low time in the nearly new plane. A wind gust might have contributed to this too. Kind of windy, though it was mostly down the runway's direction. Nice looking plane though. Turbo. Maybe it needs to go to Striker 2, seeing how that is the second time the cowl may have struck ground. Only thing hurt though was his pride , luckily.(what he said too) Hope his return trip was uneventful. Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 01:16:51 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Perrykosh review In a message dated 97-09-21 16:57:40 EDT, Kerry wrote: << Hey, guys! I see Brian beat me to the punch. This is the first gathering I've ever been to, and I'll be back! I finally got to put a face with some of the guys on the KRnet >> Kerry: Nice to meet you and your wife for brunch at Ronald's this morning. Nice dining establishment. It was fun. To all of you KRNetters who I didn't have an opportunity to spend time with at Perrykosh, THANK YOU for coming and joining in on the fun. It would have not been as good without all of you. It was a special time for me. We had about 10 KRNetters in 1996 and over 100 KRNetters at Perrykosh this year. The overwhelming number of KRNetters at the Banquet confirmed all that I had suspected - KRNetters are the true growing foundation that composes the KR family. Many of the original gang of ten know how both events felt. This one was great because of you folks and the likes of Don Betchan, the worlds greatest organizer...AND WHAT A HOST! He has the greatest family and a charming town who put up with us hooligans. The following guys are a partial list of the true KRHeros. They volunteered their time and efforts to give back their hard gained knowledge in the hopes of raising the level of all the KR Builders and flyers. I know I'm missing a few people. For that I apologize. I'm suffering from lack of sleep. We were sooooo busy this year, I can't begin to recall all of the details...sorry. Suffice to say, it was one heck of a good time: Bagnetto Tom Wichita Falls, TX Bennett Steve Boystown, NE Diehl Dan Tulsa, OK Faughn Jim St. Louise, MO Fields Jim Grand Rapids, MI Junkin Rick St. Charles, MO Koppe Ernie Koppe's Korn, OK Langford Mark Huntsville, AL Lougheed Mark Seattle, WA Miller Monte Denton, TX Mims Mike Irvine, CA Muse Bobby Wimberley, TX Muse Bob Marietta, GA Palmer Les Dallas, TX Petteway Troy Columbia, TN Rand Jeannette Huntington Beach, CA Reid Doug Los Alamos, NM Roberts Martin Tulsa, OK Scott Jeff Los Alamos, NM Vermeulen Bob Grand Rapids, MI Vipond Martin Lake Odessa, MI Whatcott Brian Altus , OK Nice job guys...now about next year :-) For those of you attendees who missed the Liar's BBQ/Fish Fry, what a loss. The stories we heard from the KRelders about the good 'ol days were incredible. I hope we will be able to continue this tradition at future gatherings. NOTICE: The following is blatant advertisment for the gain of KRNet. Video Bob will be working on the 97 KR Gathering Video. He also will be assembling a construction video composed of the various sessions. We'll announce it here. KRNetters will know first! And now for the commercial, Bob will donate dollars to the up keep costs of KRNet from the sale of every video that the purchaser mentions he heard about it on KRNet. Stayed tune. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:31:29 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re:Perrykosh Well guys I don't know what else I can say! But let me tell u whut<-Oklahoma talk! This years gathering was outstanding!! Lots of socializing, BSing , and just plane (Ha Ha) FUN! I actually had a good time doing the composite forum with Mark Langford and would love to expand on it next year! I also enjoyed listening to some of the other forums, I couldn't catch them all but wish I cuda<-more Oklahoma talk!! I think they will all be on the 97 Video so I WILL pick up a copy! Also for those of you who haven't bought a 96 gathering video,..........DO IT!! IT's GREAT!! Troy Petteway brought his RV6A this year as his KR2 is undergoing a few minor changes. ;-) Very nice airplane and I would like to thank him for letting me fly it! I have a KR2S for sale now , will take $3000........No just joking! :o) It was VERY cool to have the Dawn Patrol involved this year! Those guys are great and I hope they come back. It was just as neat to see the Nieuport 11 screaming by at 45 mph bellowing smoke as it was to see a O-200 powered KR2 crawl by at 220 mph! (KRs wont go 180 mph my eye) For you guys who were interested in the 1/2 VW,.. the Hummel Bird was outstanding! There was lots to be learned about a bored and stroked 1/2 VW that turns 4000rpm and propels the little airplane to what looked like 120 to 130 mph! What kick in the butt that must be! I got to meet soooooo many people from the KRnet I was completely overwhelmed! I do remember meeting Ed Newbold Saturday morning and telling him and Ricky Pitman to meet us at a particular truck stop for breakfast,.. well the crowd I was with decided to go to McDonalds and I felt terrible! I cant remember if I got to converse with you anymore before you left this morning Ed and would like to apologize for what probably seemed like a total blow off! Truly it wasn't! Ask Randy how bad I felt! I would like to thank Bobby Muse for sharing some of his building tips this morning before he left, to bad we didn't get to chat more but there's always the KRnet! Speaking of,... thanks for sharing the positive aspects of the internet to the computer challenged at Perry and thanks for pushing the KRnet as a great resource for builders and flyers! It was great visiting with some of the legends of the KR arena, Ernie, Steve, Dan, Janette.......25 years is a long time!! You guys got to hang around for another 10 years at least because my 10 year old son who is into RC models is really into the KR as well, no doubt he will want to build a KR for himself! I only hope he ask me to help! :o) Brian,..thanks for posting the pictures so soon. I may be able to get mine posted tomorrow or the next day. See Yall! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:09:58 -0700 From: Robert Covington Subject: KR: Re:Perrykosh >Hello everyone! > > I just got home from Perry! I will have photo's posted on the >Gathering webpage tomorrow (Sunday) after I get them developed. I >believe that their were fourteen KR's that were actually flying and >three that were not. Lester Palmer developed some kind of engine >trouble and was not able to get his KR there (he drove in later). >There were 119 people that stayed around for the awards banquet. > >Here are the awards that I remember: > > Best KR interior: Jim Faughn > Best KR-2: Bobby Muse > Best KR-1: Tom Bagnetto > Best Engine Installation: Tom Bagnetto > Oldest Pilot to fly KR in: Robert Muse > Longest flight: Robert Muse > Spot Landing contest: Marty Roberts > Peoples Choice award: Calvin Cambell > > >The 1998 Gathering will be held in Perry, OK on September 18-20. > >I finally got a flight in a KR. Marty Roberts took me for a ride in >his KR-2. > >Jeff Scott's KR looked great! The pictures on the web do not do it >justice! It is a really nice KR and it seemed to fly great. > >Mike Ladigo had his turbo-prop KR 1 1/2. and he fired it up several >times. This KR will definitely be sharp when it is finally finished. > >Well better go now. > >See the pictures on Sunday at: >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9904 > > >Brian J Bland >Claremore, OK > >bbland@busprod.com I counted about 12-14 KR's there, some more were in a trailered or in an incomplete state. A Lancair, RV-6A, Hummelbird , and Neuport were also in attendance. I got a ride in Jim Faughn's KR with a 2180 in it. He was 190# I think, and I was at um, 190 too. The thing flew fine, and it was a real treat. He is a fine pilot, and his plane is cool. While the handling was sensitive, it isn't anything to be worried about once you have some time on it. But I wouldn't recommend flying any KR if you haven't flown recently (and well;) in something else (hopefully something that is high performance), and are ready for whatever might happen in the handling dept. We hit 180 on a pass. The thing is sweet. I think they are great planes, and I thank Jim for an excellent ride. Anybody who plays music from "Top Gun" while he is giving a ride has style. :) The Perry farmfields were really colorful and nice to see, a pleasant contrast to the smog and urban profanity of SoCal. It was the end of the day, so we didn't have to worry about hitting anybody else. (other than normal VFR vigilance) I took around 25 rolls of pictures during the Gathering, 17 on the first day, the rest on the second. I have everybody's plane that was there I think. I have pics of all that flew. Marty Roberts is a maniac. ;) His plane is choice, I wanted a ride in that thing. 0-200! Yo! I have a kazillion pics of his plane on the ground and in the air, and uh, close to the ground. You too can be a maniac with an 0-200. Or just fly normal with power to spare.;) He plopped his tires right on the spot landing mark by the way... The Hummelbird is great, was really cool. For those of you on the list who are interested or who are building one now, I took another kazillion pics of the Hummelbird. I will try to post a bunch by week's end. Mike Ladigo's turbine bird is going to be hot,the workmanship was nice. Glad his prop blades stayed on at the 40,000 rpm's it sounded like they were going 'round. The seminars were helpful, particularly the one on test flying, and the one on fiberglassing. Dan Diehl's wood seminar was also nice. These are the ones I attended, but there were many more. I was out taking pictures though. It was pleasant to finally meet and see Dick Starks and Mark Pierce of the "Dawn Patrol of Kansas City" (not Kansas City Dawn Patrol...this was the way it was painted on the plane ;) That Neuport starts the VW with a chainsaw motor by the way; that was demo'ed. What a hoot. Jeannette Rand, Dan Diehl,Steve Bennett, and Bernie Koppe (hope I got that right) gave a real nice talk on Friday evening about the history of the KR. That was all due to Randy Stein getting them up there...Despite the abuse I suffered from him this weekend, I still must praise him for that...He and Mike Mims together can lay you to waste! I announced to Jeannette my intention to build a Star Wars version of the KR, of course to be called the KR2-D2...(Wookie me) She laughed, then got a serious look on her face and asked what it is going to look like... :) I reassured her I was kidding. (Ha, I wasn't. Land Solo will be there.) For real: Get yourself to Perry next year if you can, it is the place to be if you are building a KR, and it is also a good location for the gathering. Keep building, the result will be worth it. Robert Covington PS Get the '98 KR Gathering video when it comes out. This one will be especially great I think. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 05:13:39 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: KR: Re: KR Perrykosh Hi, Mike. >I got to meet soooooo many people from the KRnet I was completely >overwhelmed! I do remember meeting Ed Newbold Saturday morning and telling >him and Ricky Pitman to meet us at a particular truck stop for breakfast,.. >well the crowd I was with decided to go to McDonalds and I felt terrible! I >cant remember if I got to converse with you anymore before you left this >morning Ed and would like to apologize for what probably seemed like a total >blow off! Truly it wasn't! Ask Randy how bad I felt! Michael, Michael, Michael! For *SHAME*! Actually, no problem, Mike. I left for the "truck stop" about 30 seconds in front of you guys, got there very quickly, and waited. And waited. And waited. When you guys didn't show up, I just assumed I went to the wrong truck stop. Finally said to myself "let's eat." Had a mediocre western omlet; got directions to the airport from the waitress ("Well, our airport's not very big, but..."), and then drove on over and started shooting pictures like the dickens. I only shot 4 rolls of film, but I got some really good closeups of the things I wanted to record. But I did manage to get a ride in Randy Smith's yellow KR-2 as well as Marty Robert's machine. Dave's retractible undercarriage is a work of art. We MUST get some plans of that setup somehow! About the flights I got: With Randy weighing in at "about 200 lbs" and me at "about 200 lbs", we sure filled up that little cockpit. As a matter of fact, we flew the entire flight with my arm around his shoulders and my head cocked towards his! I will definitely find a way to build the canopy a little higher in mine. Whew, talk about ending up FRIENDS! According to Randy, we took off definitely over gross, but that little bird jumped into the air anyway! We performed some extreme maneuvering, with bank angles of 70-85 degrees, whipping around the sky. We also did a downwind low altitude fly-by that sorta woke me up (not that I was sleeping, but you know what I mean) as we whizzed between the hangar and the runway LOWER than the lights on the poles on the taxiway. I estimate our altitude was, ummmm... 50-60 feet. Of course we were only clocking about 180 mph at that time. Yeow! I loved it! He let me fly the thing a little, but the way I was situated inside the cockpit made it difficult to accurately control the plane. As advertised, however, I did discover that it is indeed pitch sensitive. Obviously, though, the pitch sensitivity "problem" isn't anything that can't be overcome with practice. Later, when I got a ride in Marty's Continental 200 powered KR-2, the difference in power was tremendously noticeable. As we were in level cruise at around 2700 rpm, we were trucking along at approx 190 mph, but then when we made a diving pass in front of the hangar (NOT downwind, by the way) the speed was in excess of 230 mph. I say "in excess of" 'cause that's as high as the ASI went! I don't know what the actual speed was, but it was *impressive*! And someone else mentioned that the KR-2 turns on a dime. It does! The 4-g turn was great, and turned us around RIGHT NOW. >It was great visiting with some of the legends of the KR arena, Ernie, >Steve, Dan, Janette.......25 years is a long time!! Yes, it was. I spoke with Jeanette for a while, and she's such a nice person, genuinely intersted in what we were doing and thought. I too will be posting some photos of the event, but I think I'll wait a little while to see what the other folks put up, and then fill in the blanks (if there are any). I have a couple of nice closeups of Randy Stein, Jeanette, Bobby Muse, etc. That's it for now. I sure hope we can all get together again next year, however, I sure wish we would continue to rotate the gatherings to different sites around the country. It is SUCH a tremendous workload on the host, that I don't think it's fair to ask HIM and his FAMILY to do it on a year-to-year basis. Although I thoroughly enjoyed the Perry Gathering and have the greatest respect for the tremendous organization and effort put forth, I thought perhaps we should take a KRNet poll first before ABSOLUTLEY deciding to do it at Perry again next year. Perhaps Ohio, Kentucky or Tennessee, or even South Carolina? I'd be willing to help organize the next one if need be. Let's talk. See y'all later. Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:49:57 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: KR: Gathering comments Netters, I'll have to agree with almost everything that's been reported about the KR Gathering so far. It was a real blast - informative, entertaining, time to renew old friendships and make new ones. Don (and his family) were super hosts. My hat goes off to Randy Stein as well - and in particular. He tried especially hard to help things go smoothly - most of us can appreciate how much work goes into an event like this. Well done, Don and Randy, as leaders, and to everyone of the other volunteers. One disturbing point I have - and was echoed by a significant number of attendees (KR "elders" and new enthusiasts) I spoke with and in conversations overheard. The safety issue. The buzz jobs - of the hanger and of those close to the crowds and the light poles and the ultra-low runway passes doesn't demonstrate safe flying to the general public. Unavoidable accidents can, and do, happen at events like this. However, an accident resulting from such activity would have been just devastating to everyone - families, the KR group, the host airport, etc. - and would be the talk of the aviation community, I'm sure. A couple of highly skilled pilots (apart from the professional aerobatic people) can spur the lesser skilled to try the same thing, having tragic results. Most of us know of the breakup of a KR-2 look-alike during a high speed pass in gusty conditions at a KR function years back. A newsletter reporter mentioned back then that "we will not forget" what happened. Have we? Let's work toward having the next Gathering demonstrate a little safer flying. Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:03:51 From: Ron Lee Subject: KR: Perry '97 - A Dropout's Musings Overall impression- Wonderful. Even though I was only there for less than half the time, I loves it. Unfortunately, I missed the fish fry....sigh. I met about a dozen KRNETers, but was shocked to hear that over a 100 were there...I slacked off. Probably because I spent almost all Saturday morning watching Marty fly folks. Did note one person say after his ride that he made the right choice of planes! AS far as the airport setup: Nice long runway, lots of apron area outside the hangar to park planes. Almost all the visiting plane were in the main hangar. Rural area so Marty's "altitude/airspeed performance tests" bothered no one. Town was close by. PLenty of tables and chairs. Food and beverage on-site. Overall impression of site and logistics....A+. My only suggestion for the next fly-in/gathering is that the rides be a bit more ordered. Some Las Vegas KRNETer (name withheld) finally set up numbers for Marty. That seemed to control the rush of folks getting to him after he landed. Perhaps a list of the pilots and a column of numbers. People sign their name and take a number. Need only be manned a short time in the morning and maybe 5 minutes per hour. Other than that, I need to get there sooner and stay longer. Lots of great planes and greater folks. On the way back, I missed the turnoff to go to Salina Kansas. About an hout later, I realized I was on my way to Topeka. End result is that I went 100 miles NE instead of N. Dumb Ron, Dumb. Because of that, I had to RON in Colby KS because I get sleepy driving at night. Ron "Wrong Way" Lee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:56:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Gathering comments In a message dated 9/22/97 6:55:07 AM, you wrote: <> I would agree with that point! Those boys should be glad there were no Feds in the crowd, because their tickets would be history. I am all for flight demos and high speed passes, but when you have an aircraft on a takeoff roll and 3 more in the pattern and then another which decides to do a 200 mph pass down the runway while the guy is still departing, you're gonna get somebody hurt. Go ahead and have fun, but don't put other folks and their aircraft in harms way with your student pilot showboating. And if you take offense at this flame, perhaps you ought to review the regs. Other than the temporary loss of good judgement by some, it was an outstanding event. I'd hate to see it ruined by a few "cowboys." Steve (I have my nomex shorts on now) Horn Horn2004@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:44:09 -0400 From: smithr Subject: Re: KR: deck construction MikeTnyc@aol.com wrote: > Concerning foam, does anybody know if styrofoam can be sanded the same as > urethane, or does it not sand as readily? I was thinking of using styrofoam > instead of urethane because urethane dust is toxic, but I like the idea of > sanding to get the shape and would not want to use hot wiring, even though > this is how styrofoam is often shaped. > > Mike Taglieri There are 2 types of styrene foam. The most common one is the blue foam sold at building supply stores. This does not sand very well. However, there is another one called EPS (expanded polystyrene) that has a larger cell structure that sands just great. Strength is the same in both and about the same as urethane foam. In my area it is sold as a support for docks called "dock billet". Wicks also sells it as "large cell styrene foam" Two drawbacks to styrene are: 1 dissolves real fast on exposure to gasoline and 2. wont take as much heat as urethane. (However, Rutan uses it extensively and doesn't worry about these drawbacks). I am using both but tend to favor the urethane because I wont have to worry about high temp or solvent problems. Bob Smith, Albany, NY ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:18:36 -0700 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Gathering comments Horn2004@aol.com wrote: > . . . but when you have an aircraft on a takeoff roll > and 3 more in the pattern and then another which decides to do a 200 mph pass > down the runway while the guy is still departing, you're gonna get somebody > hurt. Go ahead and have fun, but don't put other folks and their aircraft in > harms way with your student pilot showboating. And if you take offense at > this flame, perhaps you ought to review the regs. > Steve (I have my nomex shorts on now) Horn > Horn2004@aol.com I think that if someone gives a negative flame on this one, they deserve to have the ticket pulled. The only problem is, they probably don't see themself in any of this description. - -- Don Reid donreid@erols.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:39:34 -0700 From: Peter Hudson Subject: KR: Perry,fly-bys and KRnet. Hi KRnet, Prery was tremendous, I could only spend Saturday and I'm so inspired I cant believe I'm sitting at the computer right now. It was good to meet some of you Krnetters (especially Jeff Scott whose painting problems made mine trivial). I went to the gathering for motivation. After seeing what is obviously a pilot's airplane being flown with great enthusiasm and joy by the owners (regardless of how long they've had them)gave me all the motivation I need. That thing in the garage isn't just a project to sand and fiddle with but will soon be a source of Shear grins (I wish I'd taken a picture of every passenger getting out from there first KR ride). I didn't manage to get a ride ;( Mostly due to bad timing. Marty would collapse in an exhausted pile after countless hours, Jim would be giving timely training to the almost flying and so on. I don't mind in the least, as all the ride giving pilots were troopers and fit in all of the much needed service as was possible. The low fly-by thing was mostly just awesome to see. But it did leave me thinking about the possibility of disaster (and I don't scare easily). Primarily the combination of recent gross weight talks and a heavy KR going 220+ in bumpy air made me wonder. Expect another post from me on the gross weight issue...I'm removing as much conservatism as possible from the calculations to see if I can satisfy myself with a 1000 lb gross. I plan to post the results....I'm also seriously considering doing a limit load test on my KR. If it's going to break I hope it's in the hangar. KRnet has obviously had a big impact on the KR world...a few years ago I felt pretty alone. At Perry I felt I knew most everyone I met at the gathering and I know I missed most of you! Well enough of that, If you couldn't make it you're probably tired of hearing about it. Besides I have my own KR in the garage calling to me. - -Peter Hudson- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:51:47 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Re: Re: KR Perrykosh Ed Newbold wrote: >I thought perhaps we should take a > KRNet poll first before ABSOLUTLEY deciding to do it at Perry again next year. > Perhaps Ohio, Kentucky or Tennessee, or even South Carolina? I'd be willing to > help organize the next one if need be. Let's talk. I hate to dash your hopes, but I'd be willing to bet that it's already cast in stone. Traditionally, the next year's location is voted on at the banquet. I'll bet next year we could have our way though. Having Gatherings in pairs is pretty common too, so they'll be ready for change in 98. Let's just remember to decide where BEFORE the vote. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford - ---------- > From: enewbold@sprynet.com > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: Re: KR Perrykosh > Date: Monday, September 22, 1997 7:13 AM > > Hi, Mike. > > >I got to meet soooooo many people from the KRnet I was completely > >overwhelmed! I do remember meeting Ed Newbold Saturday morning and telling > >him and Ricky Pitman to meet us at a particular truck stop for breakfast,.. > >well the crowd I was with decided to go to McDonalds and I felt terrible! I > >cant remember if I got to converse with you anymore before you left this > >morning Ed and would like to apologize for what probably seemed like a total > >blow off! Truly it wasn't! Ask Randy how bad I felt! > > Michael, Michael, Michael! For *SHAME*! > > Actually, no problem, Mike. I left for the "truck stop" about 30 seconds in > front of you guys, got there very quickly, and waited. And waited. And waited. > When you guys didn't show up, I just assumed I went to the wrong truck stop. > > Finally said to myself "let's eat." Had a mediocre western omlet; got directions > to the airport from the waitress ("Well, our airport's not very big, but..."), > and then drove on over and started shooting pictures like the dickens. > > I only shot 4 rolls of film, but I got some really good closeups of the things I > wanted to record. But I did manage to get a ride in Randy Smith's yellow KR-2 as > well as Marty Robert's machine. Dave's retractible undercarriage is a work of > art. We MUST get some plans of that setup somehow! > > About the flights I got: > > With Randy weighing in at "about 200 lbs" and me at "about 200 lbs", we sure > filled up that little cockpit. As a matter of fact, we flew the entire flight > with my arm around his shoulders and my head cocked towards his! I will > definitely find a way to build the canopy a little higher in mine. Whew, talk > about ending up FRIENDS! > > According to Randy, we took off definitely over gross, but that little bird > jumped into the air anyway! We performed some extreme maneuvering, with bank > angles of 70-85 degrees, whipping around the sky. We also did a downwind low > altitude fly-by that sorta woke me up (not that I was sleeping, but you know > what I mean) as we whizzed between the hangar and the runway LOWER than the > lights on the poles on the taxiway. I estimate our altitude was, ummmm... 50-60 > feet. Of course we were only clocking about 180 mph at that time. Yeow! I loved > it! > > He let me fly the thing a little, but the way I was situated inside the cockpit > made it difficult to accurately control the plane. As advertised, however, I did > discover that it is indeed pitch sensitive. Obviously, though, the pitch > sensitivity "problem" isn't anything that can't be overcome with practice. > > Later, when I got a ride in Marty's Continental 200 powered KR-2, the difference > in power was tremendously noticeable. As we were in level cruise at around 2700 > rpm, we were trucking along at approx 190 mph, but then when we made a diving > pass in front of the hangar (NOT downwind, by the way) the speed was in excess > of 230 mph. I say "in excess of" 'cause that's as high as the ASI went! I don't > know what the actual speed was, but it was *impressive*! And someone else > mentioned that the KR-2 turns on a dime. It does! The 4-g turn was great, and > turned us around RIGHT NOW. > > > >It was great visiting with some of the legends of the KR arena, Ernie, > >Steve, Dan, Janette.......25 years is a long time!! > > Yes, it was. I spoke with Jeanette for a while, and she's such a nice person, > genuinely intersted in what we were doing and thought. I too will be posting > some photos of the event, but I think I'll wait a little while to see what the > other folks put up, and then fill in the blanks (if there are any). I have a > couple of nice closeups of Randy Stein, Jeanette, Bobby Muse, etc. > > That's it for now. I sure hope we can all get together again next year, however, > I sure wish we would continue to rotate the gatherings to different sites around > the country. It is SUCH a tremendous workload on the host, that I don't think > it's fair to ask HIM and his FAMILY to do it on a year-to-year basis. Although I > thoroughly enjoyed the Perry Gathering and have the greatest respect for the > tremendous organization and effort put forth, I thought perhaps we should take a > KRNet poll first before ABSOLUTLEY deciding to do it at Perry again next year. > Perhaps Ohio, Kentucky or Tennessee, or even South Carolina? I'd be willing to > help organize the next one if need be. Let's talk. > > See y'all later. > Ed Newbold > Columbus, OH > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:05:42 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Perry,fly-bys and KRnet. At 07:39 PM 9/22/97 -0700, you wrote: Expect another post from me on the gross weight issue...I'm removing as much conservatism as possible from the calculations to see if I can satisfy myself with a 1000 lb gross. I plan to post the results....I'm also seriously considering doing a limit load test on my KR. If it's going to break I hope it's in the hangar. > > I was talking to Mark Lougheed at the gathering on Saturday night. Mark came up with the same calcs as you and Don Reid did as far as the ultimate limit on the moan spar. I mentioned something about the effect of VA? If it takes 4500+ pounds to break the spar cap is it possible the wing would stall and unload before it reaches the ultimate load? Of course this works in the opposite direction as the load (the more weight the better because the wing will stall before it breaks) Have you guys thought about this side of the equation? Just wondering? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 04:10:19 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: Perry,fly-bys and KRnet. Hi Peter. >Prery was tremendous, I could only spend Saturday and I'm so inspired I >cant believe I'm sitting at the computer right now. It was good to meet >some of you Krnetters. It was nice meeting you too. In fact, I was impressed by the sheer number of KRNetters in attendence. Since this was my first "Gathering", I really expected a lower turn out, as normally experienced at other KR fly-ins (like the one at Toledo). >I went to the gathering for motivation. After seeing what is >obviously a pilot's airplane being flown with great enthusiasm and joy >by the owners (regardless of how long they've had them) gave me all the >motivation I need. Well spokern. All I have to add is a "me too". Those little machines really GO, don't they. >I didn't manage to get a ride... Shoot. I wish I had known that, 'cause I would have gladly let you have one of my two rides. Although a little cramped inside for two large guys, they are still exciting airplanes to fly. Well, hope to see you next year at the '98 Gathering. See ya later. Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 04:16:02 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: A new KR-1 owner! Hear ye! Hear ye! Let it be known to all men that I have just concluded a deal with Bill Reents of Austintown, OH, for the purchase of his KR-1. I will continue to maintain it and fly it in the manner Wild Bill would expect. Look for good ol' N7138 at next year's KR Gathering at Perry! Hot damn... I feel good! Thanks, Bill. Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 06:46:31 -0500 From: Jim Faughn Subject: KR: Perry and Incident I posted this once and never got it forgive me if it comes through twice. Marti is truely my hero for ride giving. I'm only sorry that I really couldn't participate in that part of the event this year. Again, my appologies to everyone I couldn't give rides to. As those who were there know, I had to work on my plane most of Saturday and wasn't able to get it running right until late Saturday afternoon and didn't get to give but 3 rides. I tried to page Ron Lee but he had evidently left. Ron is the one I really wanted to provide the seat time to since he is ready to fly. My plane had a problem with a screw that was stripping out in the distributor. On the way to Perry it ran slightly rough and that wasn't normal (It normally is smoother than my car) so I began to investigate the cause. I thought originally it was the points and replaced them all (4 sets) but that proved to not be the case. Rather, as I said, a screw that locked one set of points in place was going bad and on the flight when I tested it Sat Morning after takeoff I had to go to 1/2 throttle and make it run. It kept ringing in my ear what Dan Diehl said before I originally test flew my plane. "If it doesn't run right in the air, change something!" I flew it at half throttle for a while playing with the mixture and different settings while in the air and then landed to figure out what was wrong. I had to take apart the distributor and drill and tap all the screws for the points. Thanks to the kind people who helped me get the right parts. Coast to Coast became my airplane supply store with rides from both Perry people and KR friends back and forth to the hardware store. It shouldn't have taken so long but they sold me the wrong tap for the cap screws I purchased. In the end the plane ran great and I believe it is running better than it has in a year so the problem was coming on slowly where I hadn't noticed it prior to the flight down. I will now make a new plate from steel so this won't happen again. I got back fine and instead of the 40 and 50 mph head wind on the way down I only had a 15 mph head wind on the way back. I too appreciate meeting everyone and putting faces to the names and hope to see you next year. By the way, Tommy Waymack talked of a "Spring Fling" with KR's. Who knows, maybe we could do this more than once a year OR there might be smaller ones in different areas, kind of like KR Chapters. As far as the "incident" is concerned, after seeing him miss his first two approaches to land I grabbed my handheld and called him to see if he was ok. I was hoping to calm him down. When he landed I saw his nose come up and called him on the radio to push his stick forward to kill the lift and get his nose wheel down. Everything looked pretty good after he got the nose down and I thought it was over until the plane vered right and went off the right side of the runway. It went into a small ditch where he broke his nose wheel gear and the prop. I called on the radio and told him to make sure he shut off the fuel and the electric hoping he wouldn't hear me since he might have already done it. He told me when we arrived at the plane that the right brake hung up and he couldn't correct it with the left brake. When Don went back to get his tractor to pull the plane to a hanger, we walked down the runway with Bobby Muse to see where the brake started hanging up and what happened. What we found was he landed with both brakes on, the mains made big black marks and were skidding. Next the nose wheel made a black mark and went back into the air. Both mains came back down, more black marks and more skiding with the nose wheel coming back down again. You could see the skid marks for both mains all the way of his track to the ditch, which was about 700 feet. My theory is that instead of the right brake hanging up the left began to fade or was not as effective and that caused the right turn, or, a gust of wind (it was a right crosswind) weather vained him into the wind and that caused the right turn. The plane was repaired as others have said thanks to the people on the field. I think the major lesson learned was not to fly the plane cross country in STRONG winds with only 10 hours of KR stick time. Thankfully everyone was ok. - -- Jim Faughn N8931JF St. Louis, MO (314) 652-7659 or (573) 465-8039 ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #101 *****************************