From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 1997 12:37 PM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n104' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #104 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Friday, September 26 1997 Volume 01 : Number 104 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 22:12:49 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Photo Web Site Netters, Mel Poradun was kind enough to setup a photo only web site that contains all the photos I have taken during the construction of my kr. You can visit it at: http://www.nas.com/~mporadun/mims.htm Thanks Mel!!!,... and I will send you more photos as they become available if you want. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:48:47 -0700 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Would Ya Could Ya Should Ya. >At 10:32 PM 9/24/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Hey Michael, be nice now. Some of us happen to like the training wheels up >>front. >> >>Rich McCall >> >> > >I know but I cant resist beating on Rob! Ask Randy,..its a blast! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. >mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com >http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand Mike, you need some discipline. Don't even think of test flying my plane that you are building for me. KR-Net Gentlemen, avoid the pairing of Mike Mims and Randy Stein together. They will drive you to therapy. Then you can't fly, because the FAA won't let you fly if you are in therapy. So Randy and Mike will ground you just for fun. See how it all works. ;) At least they drive you to therapy, so you don't have to drive yourself. So they are considerate in that respect. Mike's just mad because I will be able to see over my dash. Anyway, enough of this waste of bandwidth. Robert Covington, Abuse Recipient of Said Pair All Weekend. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 07:54:06 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: KR:New web page Hello everyone! I have finally gotten my new web page started. I will be adding to it in the near future, but I got it going for now. http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm I changed because I now have 10 megs instead of 2 megs. Brian J Bland bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 05:20:40 -0700 From: taildrag@juno.com (Oscar J. Zuniga, Jr.) Subject: KR: Stretching fuselage There was a fellow from Holland, Herman Mijling, who wrote in Jan. of '96 that he was stretching his KR-2 fuselage 11" and widening 2". Wonder if he got it done, and flying? Might have some comments on problems, handling, etc.... Herman, are you flying it yet? Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon taildrag@juno.com (Guess what my comments might be about training wheels?) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:06:20 -0700 From: bmsi@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: KR: 97 Gathering page Mark Langford wrote: > > KRNetHeads, > > For those of you that couldn't make the Gathering, I put some pictures out > there at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/k97gathr.html, or you can get to > it from the URL below. There's always next year... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > email at langford@hiwaay.net > KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford Very nice photos Mark. Many thanks to you and the others who shared their photos of the gathering with the stay-at-homes. Quality of your photos was great. High point was your study of Tom Bagnatto's Type 4 installation :o) Bruce Stay at home Campbell Tampa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:26:53 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Dumb...errrr, Dawn Patrol KRNetters: Just so Rob doesn't feel singled out, I've forwarded a response from Nieuport Mark, ie my jab at him in regards to his feeble attempt to spray for pests at the gathering using his 'lil 'ol buyplay'in: <> I must apologize for his choice of words. He obviously inhaled with a tailwind... Randy (A friend of those who want none) Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:29:04 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: ARSPAW Rob - No archive In a message dated 97-09-25 02:50:40 EDT, Robert wrote: << KR-Net Gentlemen, avoid the pairing of Mike Mims and Randy Stein together. They will drive you to therapy. Then you can't fly, because the FAA won't let you fly if you are in therapy. So Randy and Mike will ground you just for fun. See how it all works. ;) At least they drive you to therapy, so you don't have to drive yourself. So they are considerate in that respect. Mike's just mad because I will be able to see over my dash. Anyway, enough of this waste of bandwidth. Robert Covington, Abuse Recipient of Said Pair All Weekend. >> I suppose you will be forever known as "ARSPAW Rob" :-) Randy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:07:02 -0500 From: brian whatcott Subject: KR: Bungee Trim Systems - SAFETY WARNING I apologize for sending this book reference without first carefully checking it. Please do not use fig 7.13 or fig 7.15 for rigging orthodox elevator control systems Brian At 18:25 9/24/97 -0400, I wrote: ... Page 83 of Flight Testing Homebuilt Aircraft has something to say about the virtues of improving pitch stability with a spring ( using a fixed tab that wants to pull the stick back with increasing speed - that is stabilizing...) brian whatcott Altus OK brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:07:15 -0700 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: ARSPAW Rob - No archive >In a message dated 97-09-25 02:50:40 EDT, Robert wrote: > ><< KR-Net Gentlemen, avoid the pairing of Mike Mims and Randy Stein together. > They will drive you to therapy. Then you can't fly, because the FAA won't > let you fly if you are in therapy. So Randy and Mike will ground you just > for fun. See how it all works. ;) At least they drive you to therapy, so > you don't have to drive yourself. So they are considerate in that respect. > > Mike's just mad because I will be able to see over my dash. > > Anyway, enough of this waste of bandwidth. > > Robert Covington, Abuse Recipient of Said Pair All Weekend. >> > >I suppose you will be forever known as "ARSPAW Rob" :-) > >Randy HA HA HA! Pretty good Randy. ;) Not bad from someone living in Soviet Monica. Signed, Arspaw "When flying, stay out of my Arspaws." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:20:55 -0700 From: taildrag@juno.com (Oscar J. Zuniga, Jr.) Subject: KR: Plans Pardon my ignorance (I am not yet a plans holder; soon to be)- but does RR ever issue addenda/revisions/'bug fixes' to existing plans holders? How about clarifications, 'advisory circulars', stuff like that- based on feedback from builders? I guess not, since this net exists...? Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:30:07 -0000 From: " Mike Filbrandt" Subject: KR: Re: Engines Scott, To see some comments made about Hirth engines in general go to http://www.ultralightnews.com/Engines.html There you will find some feedback on the smaller models. I have 2 friends that have tried the F-30 & experienced the same problems. With the F-30, they also are having major problems with the gear-box. I have been involved in 2-stroke aviation for about 7 yrs. now & also have a few hours in GA craft too. In my opinion a Hirth powerplant would not be a good choice for a KR because of the dependability & noise factors. I have just recently purchased a KR-1 & would not consider 2-stroke power on it. One of the reasons I bought the KR was to get away from the 2-strokes & fly something with 4-stroke power other than the Cessna's, etc. I hope the info is helpful to ya. Blue Skies, Mike (wish I could have made it to Perry) Filbrandt - ---------- > From: Scott Aldrich <71714.1611@compuserve.com> > To: krnet-l@teleport.com . > Subject: KR: Engines > Date: Tuesday, September 23, 1997 2:41 PM > > Hi, quick question. Anybody know much about the Hirth F30 engine? 110 HP > only weighs 108 pounds? > > Thanks, Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:54:41 -0500 From: rmccall Subject: KR: First Ride - kr2 Just wanted to say I really enjoyed the gathering at Perry, OK. A big thanks to Randy Smith for giving me my first ride in a KR2, even though mine is over half finished. Boy, that stick is sensitive! Thanks again. Rich McCall Junction City, KS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:52:27 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Plans At 05:20 PM 9/25/97 -0700, you wrote: >Pardon my ignorance (I am not yet a plans holder; soon to be)- but does >RR ever issue addenda/revisions/'bug fixes' to existing plans holders? >How about clarifications, 'advisory circulars', stuff like that- based on >feedback from builders? I guess not, since this net exists...? > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon > No,... they do not! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 22:08:42 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR: 97 Gathering page John, Thanks for the kind words. Yep, the mutant's fuselage is all composite, with an Aerocore firewall. I heard it turned out on the heavy side though. I didn't pay much attention to the nose gear, since it was on the wrong end, but I think it's the DeFreeze setup that's detailed in the Newsletter a few years back, but I could be wrong. Bottom line: I don't know which way it goes. It'll be there next year, since it is based in Perry. I'll bet a call to Don Betchan would tell you all you wanted to know about it. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford - ---------- > From: John Roffey > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: 97 Gathering page > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 10:19 PM > > Mark Langford wrote: > > > > KRNetHeads, > > > > For those of you that couldn't make the Gathering, I put some pictures out > > there at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/k97gathr.html, or you can get to > > it from the URL below. There's always next year... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > email at langford@hiwaay.net > > KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > Mark, great job on the pix. The KR2S in some of the last pictures is > awsome. That sliding canopy is food for much thought. Do I understand > that the fuselage is all composite? Does the nose gear retract forward > or rearward? I hope video Bob caught that one in the 97 Gathering tape. > Can't wait to see more. > John Roffey > jeroffey@tir.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:21:21 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: extending the fuselage Robert Covington wrote: > 1. Would my tail break off. (extra leverage, 1 inch thinner box section) Who knows? Where's your sense of adventure? > 2. Would I and where would I need to add extra diagonals, etc. I'd make your last bay look like the plans' last bay, adding one set of diagonals across the top, one bay past where the plans do. > 3. How much would this affect the CG (probably using an 0-200 with electric > system.) Not enough to fret over. If I could do mine over again (and it's never too late) I'd extend each bay an inch and a half, for a total of 9 or 10, or whatever that is. But I could've have added another bay had I decided I needed it before I cut it off. I'd have lengthened it 10 inches, and not added 6" to each side of the horizontal stab. Less drag extending the body than the extra stabilizer area, but same effect. If I were you, I'd go for it. You can't use the premolded parts though, but I've got a couple of extras you could have... Analysis? I've never seen a tail break off, and that's proof enough for me. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:15:00 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: KR: The Old Days Discussion I had to miss the Friday evening session about the old days. Did "Video Bob" tape this session? Or did anyone happen to audio tape it? Thanks. Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:05:59 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Re: Your Awesome KR Web Site (forward to krnet) At 11:51 PM 9/25/97 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, > I stumbled across your page and I thought maybe you could help. My dad recently purchased a partially completed KR2 only to discover that some of the parts, the plans and all of the manuals are missing (A pretty big oversight if you ask me!). But anyways he has sent me on a mission to see if I could find someone who could get a copy for him or information on where to get them. If you could be of any assistance, your help would be greatly appreciated. > Sincerely, > Chad Boettcher >Chad & Carrie Boettcher >botch@prairie.lakes.com >http://prairie.lakes.com/~botch > Chad I don't know of anyone who has a set of plans for sale at this time but I am forwarding this note to a KR mailing list that has over 200 users and someone may respond to you. Good luck on your mission! :o) Of course there is always Rand Robinson if your interested in buy new plans. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 01:16:59 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Plans In a message dated 97-09-25 20:17:02 EDT, you write: << Pardon my ignorance (I am not yet a plans holder; soon to be)- but does RR ever issue addenda/revisions/'bug fixes' to existing plans holders? How about clarifications, 'advisory circulars', stuff like that- based on feedback from builders? I guess not, since this net exists...? >> Oscar: The real answer is that KRNet exists because of the limited support over the years from RR. The 2S plans came out from RR after builders were already stretching the 2 in all directions. For the most part, you will want to hang on KRNet to keep in touch with what is going on. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 01:51:45 -0400 (EDT) From: DC4FREE@aol.com Subject: KR: two holer Jeff Scott I saw the pic's of your fine looking bird, YOU DONE GOOD fly boy!!! The inside shots showed you were set up for dual controls. Did you get them from RR or make um yourself?? If self made how did you go about it? DON WRIGHT EVERETT WA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 05:14:05 -0700 From: "John Bouyea" Subject: KR: Bending the Fuselage Sides What are the techniques to helping the fuselage sides retain the desired position after arcing them into the boat shape? My sides have been on the table for 4 weeks now and they STILL want to snap back straight/ flat. Did everyone glue them together and let the belly skin tie it all together or is there a way to help them to retain the arced/ bent shape without remaining under such tension? John Bouyea johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net kr2s - trying to glue the cross-members in the belly Hillsboro, Oregon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 06:38:37 -0700 From: taildrag@juno.com (Oscar J. Zuniga, Jr.) Subject: KR: Old KRNet messages Hi, folks I'm new here, still trying to get caught up. I downloaded the old postings, have read through the first 80 pages out of a total of 324 (page count courtesy MS Word)- and am only up to April of 1996! One thing I can say, though- these 'documents' should be MUST-READ for all KR builders. An absolute treasure trove of info and time-savers. The item which listed many known, flying KR-types, tail numbers, weight, engine, and misc. data is invaluable. Since no two KRs are identical, one can at least look for something comparable and get an idea of what these things should actually perform like. It sure would be nice if a statistically-valid majority of the flying KRs would have these stats posted and maybe spreadsheeted- a graph would show what the REAL weight and performance would be expected to be, in the fat part of the bell curve. Or maybe that info is somewhere in the 244 pages of postings that I haven't read yet...? Thanks again. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon taildrag@juno.com maybe I'll waste some more bandwidth Saturday and intro myself here, since I'm not like the average person on this net who seems to have a huge inheritance or sweepstakes earnings to draw on, and can sit by the computer or in the shop and NOT HAVE TO WORK OR ANSWER TO SPOUSE! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:33:30 -0400 From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: KR: repost - Re:Whats "up ducts" Email (repy) to cary@storm.ca Web page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/ KR2 area http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2.shtml I posted this one during the Perry email storm and got no replies. I'll post it again in case someone has an answer, or at least to know that no-one has the answer. - - Cary - > > For those of you using Volks, Revs and Hapi's, here is one. > > When I got my project, the original builder had installed air scoops on the > sides of the cowel to pass cooling air over the fins on the valve lifter > covers. I thought it was a neat idea as these covers do not ordinarily get > any cooling air unless this is done. I have considered using NACA/NASA > submerged inlets to provide for this cooling since I had to cut a hole in > the cowel to get it to fit over the mounting bolt. I am using the RR prefab > cowel, and is not me desire to do too much cutting here. The whole unit did > not properly fit the Revmaster installation despite it being designed for > it. A lot of cutting has been done already, plus I installed air-flow > directors and dams on the lower cowel to direct the flow of air to the oil > cooler mounted on the bottom of the engine. > > If any of you are using the Revmaster oil cooler, perhaps you could tell me > how you directed the airflow to it. I put a half-moon air scoop on the > front of the cowel, building an air director behind it to strengthen the > scoop and to direct the airflow to the cooler. You can see the oil cooler > in the photos of my web page. > > I know cooling is a big thing here, but am I overdoing it? > > - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:39:59 -0700 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Bending the Fuselage Sides John Bouyea wrote: > > What are the techniques to helping the fuselage sides retain the desired > position after arcing them into the boat shape? My sides have been on the > table for 4 weeks now and they STILL want to snap back straight/ flat. > John Bouyea > johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net They will always try and straighten out. I used lumberyard plywood to make temporary bulkheads to hold the shape. These were attached to the table with wood and drywall screws. The top and bottom are supposed to be straight after a certain point shown on the plans. I used straight pieces of 2X4 on the outside of the fuselage to hold them in position. I used several long clamps that are made from treaded iron pipe to hold everthing together. Check for straight and square many times, glue in the cross pieces, check for square again. Add the triangular reinforcement blocks and check for square again. Glue on the plywood bottom, but don't bother to check for square again. At this point, it is too late. When you take it off the table, it will "relax" a little in the cockpit area and will not be as wide as you thought it should be, unless you either install all of the cross pieces or use several temporary cross poeces to hold the shape. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va donreid@erols.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 06:55:49 -0700 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: Bending the Fuselage Sides John Bouyea wrote: > > What are the techniques to helping the fuselage sides retain the desired > position after arcing them into the boat shape? My sides have been on the > table for 4 weeks now and they STILL want to snap back straight/ flat. > > Did everyone glue them together and let the belly skin tie it all together > or is there a way to help them to retain the arced/ bent shape without > remaining under such tension? > > John Bouyea > johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net > kr2s - trying to glue the cross-members in the belly > Hillsboro, Oregon-------------------- John: Do you have the plywood on the sides?? I did mine with out the plywood and they bent real easy. However they still bend back flat until it is all glued together. I just put blocks of wood on the table and a couple loose clamps to hold the sides upright and then with bar clamps accross the belly to hold the proper shape, I glued the spruce cross pieces on the belly. Once that was done I put bar clamps on the top longirons to hold its shape, and turned the fuselage over and glued the top spruce cross pieces in place leaving a spreader bar accross the cockpit area to keep the width of the cockpit to plans. Now I am gluing the plywood on the belly and sides. Hope this helps Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - ------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 07:30:04 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Bending the Fuselage Sides At 05:14 AM 9/26/97 -0700, you wrote: >What are the techniques to helping the fuselage sides retain the desired >position after arcing them into the boat shape? My sides have been on the >table for 4 weeks now and they STILL want to snap back straight/ flat. > I read the other two post and I think you have all the info you need but thought I would through in what I did also. I pretty much did what Don Reid did. I bent the sides and measured how much it arched up away from the table and made shims from 2x4s and 1x4s to place under the top longeron as it arched up (too bad I didn't have Mark Lougheeds drawing, it would have remained flat) anyway after it was shimed the proper amount I used 1x4 blocks as clamps and screwed it all to the table with long sheet rock screws. I used long pieces of all-thread (threaded rods) and wing nuts along with pieces of scrap plywood to make clamps, after I glued int he bottom cross members I gave the wing nuts a turn or two to apply a little more pressure and it worked great! If one were to use Mark Lougheeds drawings the top longeron would be flat after bending it and you could just clamp it to the table. The golden words "If I had it to do over again" sure pop up a lot during the construction of the KR!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:43:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Bending the Fuselage Sides In a message dated 9/26/97 8:01:47 AM, you wrote: < > What are the techniques to helping the fuselage sides retain the desired > position after arcing them into the boat shape? My sides have been on the > table for 4 weeks now and they STILL want to snap back straight/ flat. > > Did everyone glue them together and let the belly skin tie it all together > or is there a way to help them to retain the arced/ bent shape without > remaining under such tension?>> I used the method which was detailed in one of the earlier KR newsletter which consisted of using turnbuckles and wire. I used about 10-12 turnbuckles and then took heavy S-hooks (which I bent to open up the hook portions) to "grip" the longerons. I used many little blocks of wood screwed to the table with sheetrock screws to "hold" the outside shape of the boat and then used cross members to space the interior of the boat which was in contact with the table to push the sides into contact with the perimeter spacer blocks. The sides were pre-skinned as per the plans. The thing about this method is that it allowed me to do the bending and then re-check alignment numerous times over the course of several days. And since the skin was already on, I wasn't worried about racking the thing out of shape trying to glue and staple plywood to it while it was bent. As far as being difficult, or requiring lots of power to bend...this was a very simple process with little effort required to do the bending. I understand people have held off skinning the boat prior to this stage in an attempt to eliminate the "banana" bend on the top longerons. With the turnbuckles I was able to draw the sides fairly flat to the table surface. I wound up with very little "banana" bending on the top when all was said and done. And when I removed all the turnbuckles and spacers, etc., there was no springback of the boat whatsoever. Whichever method you choose, take your time. The alignment you establish in this stage will affect many of the latter assembly stages (most importantly the firewall squareness and the spar squareness). When I slipped my spars in for a test fit, I was only out by 1/32". Steve Horn Horn2004@aol.com Dallas, Texas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 07:35:00 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: repost - Re:Whats "up ducts" At 09:33 AM 9/26/97 -0400, you wrote: >Email (repy) to cary@storm.ca >Web page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/ >KR2 area http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2.shtml > >I posted this one during the Perry email storm and got no replies. I'll >post it again in case someone has an answer, or at least to know that >no-one has the answer. > >- Cary - I thought the effort would be a waste as the heat transferred through the valve covers would almost be nil, not to mention you are adding cooling drag. When cooling questions arise always refer back to how VW did it, they blew air over the heads for the most part, some air did flow over the cylinders but none over the valve covers. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 07:37:38 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Old KRNet messages At 06:38 AM 9/26/97 -0700, you wrote: maybe I'll waste some more bandwidth Saturday and >intro myself here, since I'm not like the average person on this net who >seems to have a huge inheritance or sweepstakes earnings to draw on, and can sit by the computer or in the shop and NOT HAVE TO WORK OR ANSWER TO >SPOUSE! > Some of us (including spouses) work behind a computer! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:36:50 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Customer Support Actual dialog of a WordPerfect Customer Support employee: "WordPerfect Customer Support; may I help you?" "Yes, well, I'm having trouble with WordPerfect." "What sort of trouble?" "Well, I was just typing along, and all of a sudden the words went away." "Went away?" "They disappeared." "Hmm. So what does your screen look like now?" "Nothing." "Nothing?" "It's blank; it won't accept anything when I type." "Are you still in WordPerfect, or did you get out?" "How do I tell?" "Can you see the C: prompt on the screen?" "What's a sea-prompt?" "Never mind. Can you move the cursor around on the screen?" "There isn't any cursor: I told you, it won't accept anything I type." "Does your monitor have a power indicator?" "What's a monitor?" "It's the thing with the screen on it that looks like a TV. Does it have a little light that tells you when it's on?" "I don't know." "Well, then look on the back of the monitor and find where the power cord goes into it. Can you see that?" "Yes, I think so." "Great! Follow the cord to the plug, and tell me if it's plugged into the wall." "Yes, it is." "When you were behind the monitor, did you notice that there were two cables plugged into the back of it, not just one?" "No." "Well, there are. I need you to look back there again and find the other cable." "Okay, here it is." "Follow it for me, and tell me if it's plugged securely into the back of your computer." "I can't reach." "Uh huh. Well, can you see if it is?" "No." "Even if you maybe put your knee on something and lean way over?" "Oh, it's not because I don't have the right angle - it's because it's dark." "Dark?" "Yes - the office light is off, and the only light I have is coming in from the window." "Well, turn on the office light then." "I can't." "No? Why not?" "Because there's a power outage." "A power... A power outage? Aha! Okay, we've got it licked now. Do you still have the boxes and manuals and packing stuff your computer came in?" "Well, yes, I keep them in the closet." "Good! Go get them, and unplug your system and pack it up just like it was when you got it. Then take it back to the store you bought it from." "Really? Is it that bad?" "Yes, I'm afraid it is." "Well, all right then, I suppose. What do I tell them?" "Tell them you're too stupid to own a computer." ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:44:06 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: The Old Days Discussion In a message dated 97-09-26 06:03:19 EDT, Ed wrote: << I had to miss the Friday evening session about the old days. Did "Video Bob" tape this session? Or did anyone happen to audio tape it? >> I don't think so. Video crew left early to crash (in the motel) after driving the previous night. The session was very good. A very rare bit of history shared. Eveyone hung onto every word while sitting in complete silence (no PA sys set up). Pretty cool experience. This was Jim Fields idea and he deserves the credit. Good job Jim. Randy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:47:19 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Old KRNet messages In a message dated 97-09-26 09:45:38 EDT, Oscar wrote: << I'm new here, still trying to get caught up. I downloaded the old postings, have read through the first 80 pages out of a total of 324 (page count courtesy MS Word)- and am only up to April of 1996! One thing I can say, though- these 'documents' should be MUST-READ for all KR builders. An absolute treasure trove of info and time-savers...>> I told you so. Think about the poor saps who are not on KRNet! Hey netters, ain't Newbees fun? <> Done in the past, but I think I'll nominate you to do it again soon... :-) You'll find some of it in the archives, append a needed and share the fruit of your labors with us. Heck you're reading the archives anyhow, might as well make yourself useful. << maybe I'll waste some more bandwidth Saturday and intro myself here, since I'm not like the average person on this net who seems to have a huge inheritance or sweepstakes earnings to draw on, and can sit by the computer or in the shop and NOT HAVE TO WORK OR ANSWER TO SPOUSE! >> Hey, knock off the sour grapes... :-) Most of us have given up other things, ie TV, fix'in things around the house, spending time with our family, etc. Actually, KRNet makes you vewy efficient, although you do give up a bit of sleep. You learn how to do more in less time so you can keep up with KRNet. We call it balance (like on the edge). Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:54:48 -0400 From: Vince Bozik Subject: KR: Latest Release of KR Plans/Thomasville, Ga. fly-in > Hello again fellow kr people from south georgia! I would like to > inform everyone of an airshow planned for Oct.10,11,and 12 in > Thomasville, Ga. Snip > Yall come now! > Darrin, want a ride, West Anybody else considering going? I may, briefly, but cannot say for sure. It's about a five hour drive from here - Athens, GA. Also, I've not been able to pay the closest attention to the chatter on KR net for the past couple of months. My schedule and my fried modem don't allow it, but I've somehow become more clever with my time at work and am getting caught up on things elsewhere, kinda. Anyway, this may have been asked several times recently, but I was wondering when R.R.Engineering was planning on releasing the newer version of the 2-S plans - the ones that Langford, Mims, and others were reiviewing/red lining. I recall seeing where someone in this group was selling an older -2 set, but found that the message was a couple of weeks old with a reply or two of excited possible buyers. I figure that it's about time that I got a set of plans, and started reviewing them for the next eight years or so - when my life/lifestyle will have stabilized a bit. Na, I figure if I make it to a school that I can study what I want, I'll find a place to start working with it. Who knows... Anyway, if you guys have an update on the plan's status, I'd appreciate it. I thought I'd ask around here (don't ask me where here is) before calling Jeanette(sp?). Thanks, Vince Bozik Athens, Georgia mailto: icbm@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:40:58 -0400 From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: Re: KR: repost - Re:Whats "up ducts" Email (repy) to cary@storm.ca Web page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/ KR2 area http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2.shtml - ---------- > From: Micheal Mims > > I thought the effort would be a waste as the heat transferred through the > valve covers would almost be nil, not to mention you are adding cooling drag. > > BIG OOOPS! Wrong re-post. Yes thanks. I do remember the comments. My decision was to drop the idea altogether. Thanks to all who replied. The actual message I meant to re-post is below. Bit more important to me. =========================================================== (ahem) Managed to get the engine running this weekend while all were at Perry. Started first time, and all engine temps and pressures were within the green. Now for a good one. The exhaust pipe from the pilots side ai very close to the front of the cowel. Too close. Does anyone know where I can find a pipe with flange for the Revmaster/Volks engine where the angle of the pipe leaving the front cyl. is more abrupt than mine, or at most the space required for it is less than 3"? Supplementary question: does it matter how abrupt the angle is? Supplementary again: how close to the cowel can I get before I do damage to the cowel itself? - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:43:36 -0700 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Bending the Fuselage Sides >John Bouyea wrote: >> >> What are the techniques to helping the fuselage sides retain the desired >> position after arcing them into the boat shape? My sides have been on the >> table for 4 weeks now and they STILL want to snap back straight/ flat. >> John Bouyea >> johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net > >They will always try and straighten out. I used lumberyard plywood to make >temporary bulkheads to hold the shape. These were attached to the table with >wood and drywall screws. > >The top and bottom are supposed to be straight after a certain point shown on >the plans. I used straight pieces of 2X4 on the outside of the fuselage to >hold them in position. > >I used several long clamps that are made from treaded iron pipe to hold >everthing together. Check for straight and square many times, glue in the >cross pieces, check for square again. Add the triangular reinforcement >blocks and check for square again. Glue on the plywood bottom, but don't >bother to check for square again. At this point, it is too late. > >When you take it off the table, it will "relax" a little in the cockpit area >and will not be as wide as you thought it should be, unless you either >install all of the cross pieces or use several temporary cross poeces to hold >the shape. > >-- >Don Reid >Bumpass, Va >donreid@erols.com I have read from other's experiences, perhaps here, that if you place some damp rags on the top longerons in the cockpit area once they are bent and glued up and let the wood get damp for about 24 hours (not soaked though), and then let it dry back out slowly, naturally, that it will then keep the shape. This is what I will be doing for sure. I want the thing to stay at the width I have it set. Or as much as possible. The best place to do this would be around where your shoulders will end up. That is where you really need the width. Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:15:30 -0700 From: "John Bouyea" Subject: KR: Re: Bending the Fuselage Sides Thank for everyone's help! I'm guess just being a bit too cautious... Time to get out the epoxy and get gluing. Guess where I'm headed now? Yup, out to the shop! Talk about minimal response time guys! Thanks a bunch. bou John Bouyea johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net kr2s - gluing the cross-members in the belly Hillsboro, Oregon - ---------- > From: John Bouyea > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: Bending the Fuselage Sides > Date: Friday, September 26, 1997 5:14 AM > > What are the techniques to helping the fuselage sides retain the desired > position after arcing them into the boat shape? My sides have been on the > table for 4 weeks now and they STILL want to snap back straight/ flat. > > Did everyone glue them together and let the belly skin tie it all together > or is there a way to help them to retain the arced/ bent shape without > remaining under such tension? > > > John Bouyea > johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net > kr2s - trying to glue the cross-members in the belly > Hillsboro, Oregon ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #104 *****************************