From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 1997 12:37 PM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n105' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #105 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Saturday, September 27 1997 Volume 01 : Number 105 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:13:22 -0700 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Bending the Fuselage Sides >>John Bouyea wrote: >>> >>> What are the techniques to helping the fuselage sides retain the desired >>> position after arcing them into the boat shape? My sides have been on the >>> table for 4 weeks now and they STILL want to snap back straight/ flat. >>> John Bouyea >>> johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net >> >>They will always try and straighten out. I used lumberyard plywood to make >>temporary bulkheads to hold the shape. These were attached to the table with >>wood and drywall screws. >> >>The top and bottom are supposed to be straight after a certain point shown on >>the plans. I used straight pieces of 2X4 on the outside of the fuselage to >>hold them in position. >> >>I used several long clamps that are made from treaded iron pipe to hold >>everthing together. Check for straight and square many times, glue in the >>cross pieces, check for square again. Add the triangular reinforcement >>blocks and check for square again. Glue on the plywood bottom, but don't >>bother to check for square again. At this point, it is too late. >> >>When you take it off the table, it will "relax" a little in the cockpit area >>and will not be as wide as you thought it should be, unless you either >>install all of the cross pieces or use several temporary cross poeces to hold >>the shape. >> >>-- >>Don Reid >>Bumpass, Va >>donreid@erols.com > > >I have read from other's experiences, perhaps here, that if you place some >damp rags on the top longerons in the cockpit area once they are bent and >glued up and let the wood get damp for about 24 hours (not soaked though), >and then let it dry back out slowly, naturally, that it will then keep the >shape. This is what I will be doing for sure. I want the thing to stay at >the width I have it set. Or as much as possible. The best place to do this >would be around where your shoulders will end up. That is where you really >need the width. > >Robert Covington I think upon further reflection that one would want to also dampen the plywood sides in that area too if they are already installed, as well as the bottom longeron area. Anyway, whoever did this said they popped the boat out of the clamps and it stayed the right width. Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:33:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Krwr1@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: repost - Re:Whats "up ducts" Hay Why dont you weld what you need, that's what I did?? WildBill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:34:22 -0400 From: dennis ambrose Subject: Re: KR: Perry and Incident / brake thingies At 08:19 PM 9/24/97 -0500, you wrote: >At 02:43 PM 9/24/97 -0400, you wrote: >I did >Yes he did look O.K., actually he looked great! I am concerned about him >because I left in the same direction as he and Randy did and I had to >scud-run for the first two hundred miles. Has anyone heard if they got home >O.K. from OK. > > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX Bobby: Pardon me but what is a "scud run"? Regards Dennis (in Toronto) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:19:01 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: KR: Re: Your Awesome KR Web Site (forward to krnet) On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:05:59 -0700 Micheal Mims writes: >At 11:51 PM 9/25/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Hello, >> I stumbled across your page and I thought maybe you could help. My dad >recently purchased a partially completed KR2 only to discover that some of >the parts, the plans and all of the manuals are missing (A pretty big >oversight if you ask me!). But anyways he has sent me on a mission to see >if I could find someone who could get a copy for him or information on where >to get them. If you could be of any assistance, your help would be greatly >appreciated. >> Sincerely, >> Chad Boettcher >>Chad & Carrie Boettcher >>botch@prairie.lakes.com >>http://prairie.lakes.com/~botch > >Chad I don't know of anyone who has a set of plans for sale at this >time but >I am forwarding this note to a KR mailing list that has over 200 users and >someone may respond to you. Good luck on your mission! :o) > >Of course there is always Rand Robinson if your interested in buy new plans. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims To add to this story just a little bit, I talked to this gentleman's father just before leaving for the gathering. It's a long story, but I met a friend of his flying a D'fly at a fly-in here in NM two weeks ago. Anyway, his father purchased a 70% completed KR-2, but the plans had been stolen while the plane was in storage. He seemed to think he knew who had the plans, but that person either denied it or refused to part with them. At any rate, he's in need of a set of plans to finish his plane which is well along in construction. He is looking for either a used set of plans, since the plane already has a serial number, or a set of plans someone may have purchased, then decided not to use. If anyone has a set of plans with which they would be willing to part, call Dennis K. Boettcher @ (507) 526-2586. Jeff Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:58:41 -0600 From: "Jeb" Subject: Re: KR: Perry and Incident / brake thingies Scud is another word for low clouds, hence scud running is dodging those low clouds allowing you to fly in marginal VFR, as long as you have 3 miles visibility and stay what is it 1000' to the sides and 500' below 'em voilla! VFR! on the nosewheel collapse I heard the pilot (Dennis?) say when he finally got down he was so releived that he didn't realize he was standing on the right brake, that's what turned him into the grass and eventually the ditch which broke the nose gear. ---- From: dennis ambrose To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Friday, September 26, 1997 9:47 PM Subject: Re: KR: Perry and Incident / brake thingies >At 08:19 PM 9/24/97 -0500, you wrote: >>At 02:43 PM 9/24/97 -0400, you wrote: >>I did >>Yes he did look O.K., actually he looked great! I am concerned about him >>because I left in the same direction as he and Randy did and I had to >>scud-run for the first two hundred miles. Has anyone heard if they got home >>O.K. from OK. >> >> >> Bobby Muse(N122B) >> bmuse@mindspring.com >> Wimberly, TX > > >Bobby: > > Pardon me but what is a "scud run"? > > Regards Dennis (in Toronto) > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:01:05 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Perry and Incident / brake thingies At 10:58 PM 9/26/97 -0600, you wrote: >Scud is another word for low clouds, hence scud running >is dodging those low clouds allowing you to fly in >marginal VFR, as long as you have 3 miles visibility and >stay what is it 1000' to the sides and 500' below 'em voilla! VFR! > Did you guys go and change the regs on me? I thought it was 1 mile and clear of clouds!? In uncontrolled airspace anyway!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:33:19 -0600 From: "Jeb" Subject: Re: KR: Perry and Incident / brake thingies See how rusty I is?? I never could keep them dumb numbers straight >Did you guys go and change the regs on me? I thought it was 1 mile and >clear of clouds!? In uncontrolled airspace anyway!!! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. >mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com >http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand > > \ / > \ _\/\/_ > / __/_//\\_\_____ > > F-117 >Having structural failure! > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:26:05 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Perry and Incident / brake thingies At 11:33 PM 9/26/97 -0600, you wrote: >See how rusty I is?? I never could keep them dumb numbers straight > > >>Did you guys go and change the regs on me? I thought it was 1 mile and >>clear of clouds!? In uncontrolled airspace anyway!!! >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>Micheal Mims Trust me there is a good reason (well maybe not so good) that I remember those particular set of numbers! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:42:42 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: A new KR-1 owner! On Tue, 23 Sep 1997 04:16:02 -0700 enewbold@sprynet.com writes: >Hear ye! Hear ye! > >Let it be known to all men that I have just concluded a deal with Bill Reents of >Austintown, OH, for the purchase of his KR-1. > >I will continue to maintain it and fly it in the manner Wild Bill would expect. >Look for good ol' N7138 at next year's KR Gathering at Perry! > >Hot damn... I feel good! Thanks, Bill. > >Ed Newbold >Columbus, OH > > Congratulations Ed! You must have been feeling really left out without your own plane there. Glad to see you'll be flying at next years gathering. Jeff Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:14:45 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Bungee Trim Systems - SAFETY WARNING On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:07:02 -0500 brian whatcott writes: >I apologize for sending this book reference without first carefully checking it. >Please do not use fig 7.13 or fig 7.15 for rigging orthodoxelevator control systems > >Brian > > > > >At 18:25 9/24/97 -0400, I wrote: >... >Page 83 of Flight Testing Homebuilt Aircraft has something to say >aboutthe virtues of improving pitch stability with a spring ( using a fixed tab >that wants to pull the stick back with increasing speed - that is stabilizing...) > >brian whatcott >Altus OK I would suggest taking a look at the trim system inside a Glassair. I did a Tech inspection on one last week and was really impressed by the trim system. It uses a set of mild compression springs mounted to a second rod that is mounted parallel to and is clamped to the push/pull rod for the elevator. It pushes back and forth with a MAC trim servo for trim. There are no external trim tabs. Playing EAA tech counsilor is a great way to learn! :o) Jeff Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 02:17:49 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: KR: Return trip Perry to NM >Hi Jeff, > >Get home ok? The cowling made it back to Kansas in the trunk. Thought I'd >see if your still kicking. > >Rich McCall >Junction City, KS > > Rich, Bobby, and others that had asked about our return flight, We stayed out of the mountains as much as possible due to the questionable weather, so it turned into a bit of a longer trip. The return trip turned into about 500 miles of scud running, 50 miles of VFR on top, and 100 miles of nice weather. David and I made it within about 20 miles of Santa Rosa, NM before we got into enough rain that we turned back to Tucumcari Sunday afternoon. Flying in the rain under low ceilings, of course my engine went into "auto rough" mode. I suspect carb ice flying along throttled back next to the Hummel Bird. We spent the night at the same "Pow-Wow" Motel Dan Diehl had talked about on Friday night. Still had to fight the weather a bit on Monday morning to get home and had to do a circle or two over the home airport before I got a hole to drop through to the airport. Went to work about 2 hours late, but since my boss is also a pilot and is building a plane, he was very understanding. Tomorrow morning I'm going to go up to the airport to give the little bird some much needed TLC. Thanks for asking. Jeff Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 02:05:48 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Gathering comments On Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:19:30 -0500 Bobby Muse writes: >At 04:43 PM 9/23/97 -0700, you wrote: >>Hi Bobby. >> >>>I was afraid that I was not going to fly while at next years gathering. >>>Instead maybe we should take turns at flying because I thought that's what >>>everyone came to see. I'm sorry if the the rules were broken(by mistake I'm >>>sure). At next years' gathering we will have advise all KR pilots to not do >>>that again.......BUT boy, did we have a gooood time!!!! >>>Bobby Muse(N122B) >> >>I don't think there was any really "dangerous" flying going on, and I'vebeen to >>many, many fly-ins at other locations with other groups where the flying, while >>a bit lower than the average pattern altitude, wouldn't be considereddangerous. >> >>I thoroughly enjoyed watching all of the flights. Keep up the good >work. >> >>Ed Newbold >>Columbus, OH >> >> > >Ed, I agree with you, but just like other postings on this net there is a >lot of comments from the 'Peanut Gallery'. That's why we have these >gatherings in NON-controlled areas. They need to be up flying to actually >see what's going on. I do agree that we need to tone it down a little. But >because of the comments here, I would hard pressed to break away from a >normal traffic next year for fear of who might be attending. > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX > Since my computer has been down for the last week, I didn't comment on the original posts about flying at Perry. For the most part, we (the bear and me) had a blast. I really enjoyed having Bobby tuck in and do a formation fly by with me. Even though I had never flown with him before, I could tell that he was competant at what he was doing and I was very comfortable flying next to him. Very enjoyable and probably pretty from the ground. On Saturday, I thought some things got a bit out of control. I parked my plane mid afternoon and skipped the spot landing contest just simply because I felt that a couple of pilots were making conditions potentially unsafe for others. At that point, it's time for me to do my part to help unclutter the pattern. While everyone was communicating so we knew where everyone was and what they were doing, I thought it was great. BTW, there was someone on the ground with a radio watching the traffic. I talked to him on the radio, but never did find out who it was. I wanted to tip my hat to him. I think it would be a good idea to designate an air boss next year to do (1) Pilot briefing, (2) A set of eyes on the ground (3) Act as an advisor to help reign in some that might be "pressing the limits" of flying etiquette. Pilot priefings should be held prior to flying in the pattern and should be conducted away from the crowd, like over in the FBO office, for example. For the most part, I have to agree with Mike Mims. When the turbine fired up, I couldn't be far enough away from it. I did my four years of dealing with turbines in the Air Force, including that model in APUs. If can hear it, smell it, or be hit by any parts it might throw, I'm too close. :o) Overall, I had a great time in Perry and am looking forward to doing it again next year. Jeff Scott jscott.pilot@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 02:26:10 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Perry/Scud Running On Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:01:05 -0700 Micheal Mims writes: >At 10:58 PM 9/26/97 -0600, you wrote: >>Scud is another word for low clouds, hence scud running >>is dodging those low clouds allowing you to fly in >>marginal VFR, as long as you have 3 miles visibility and >>stay what is it 1000' to the sides and 500' below 'em voilla! VFR! >> > >Did you guys go and change the regs on me? I thought it was 1 mile and >clear of clouds!? In uncontrolled airspace anyway!!! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims Yep, David says I got us into trouble on the way home fooling with those clouds. I picked out a nice little baby cloud just outside of Santa Rosa, NM and turned it inside out. From there on, the skies opened up on us. At least it washed most of the Oklahoma bugs off. Jeff Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 05:28:31 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: repost - Re:Whats "up ducts" At 09:33 AM 9/26/97 -0400, you wrote: >Email (repy) to cary@storm.ca >Web page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/ >KR2 area http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2.shtml > >I posted this one during the Perry email storm and got no replies. I'll >post it again in case someone has an answer, or at least to know that >no-one has the answer. > >- Cary - > >> >> For those of you using Volks, Revs and Hapi's, here is one. >> >> When I got my project, the original builder had installed air scoops on >the >> sides of the cowel to pass cooling air over the fins on the valve lifter >> covers. I thought it was a neat idea as these covers do not ordinarily >get >> any cooling air unless this is done. I have considered using NACA/NASA >> submerged inlets to provide for this cooling since I had to cut a hole in >> the cowel to get it to fit over the mounting bolt. I am using the RR >prefab >> cowel, and is not me desire to do too much cutting here. The whole unit >did >> not properly fit the Revmaster installation despite it being designed for >> it. A lot of cutting has been done already, plus I installed air-flow >> directors and dams on the lower cowel to direct the flow of air to the >oil >> cooler mounted on the bottom of the engine. >> >> If any of you are using the Revmaster oil cooler, perhaps you could tell >me >> how you directed the airflow to it. I put a half-moon air scoop on the >> front of the cowel, building an air director behind it to strengthen the >> scoop and to direct the airflow to the cooler. You can see the oil cooler >> in the photos of my web page. >> >> I know cooling is a big thing here, but am I overdoing it? >> >> - Cary - > I have a Revmaster engine but I didn't like the oil cooler on the bottom of the engine, mostly because it was in the way all the time. It blocked access to the oil drain plug, interfered with my carb linkage and I was't too happy with the smilely (air scoop) face on the lower cowling. I placed my oil cooler on the firewall using fiberglass shroul surround it with cool ducted to it from the pressure cowling. As far as the Naca vents to cool the valve covers is concerned, I don't think that cooling the valve covers only will not give you enough cooling. Cooling air passing over the cylcinder and head fins and cooling the oil are normal way to cool the engine. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 05:28:34 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Customer Support At 09:36 AM 9/26/97 -0700, you wrote: >Actual dialog of a WordPerfect Customer Support employee: > >"Tell them you're too stupid to own a computer." > >________________________________ >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims > Micheal, This is really funny! I would laugh longer but I was a computer repairmen in a previous life and I have seen several situations just like this. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:25:03 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Perry and Incident / brake thingies At 10:34 PM 9/26/97 -0400, you wrote: >At 08:19 PM 9/24/97 -0500, you wrote: > I had to >>scud-run for the first two hundred miles. >> >> Bobby Muse(N122B) > > > >Bobby: > > Pardon me but what is a "scud run"? > > Regards Dennis (in Toronto) > > Well I don't know if I spelled it correct but what I had to do was fly at or just below the cloud overcast, at times almost losing sight of the ground. The haze was pretty bad. Some of the towers especially near the TX and OK state line went up into the clouds. Sure keeps your eyes wide open. Thank goodness for my GPS. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:25:59 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Perry and Incident / brake thingies At 10:34 PM 9/26/97 -0400, you wrote: >At 08:19 PM 9/24/97 -0500, you wrote: > I had to >>scud-run for the first two hundred miles. >> >> Bobby Muse(N122B) > > > >Bobby: > > Pardon me but what is a "scud run"? > > Regards Dennis (in Toronto) > > Well I don't know if I spelled it correct but what I had to do was fly at or just below the cloud overcast, at times almost losing sight of the ground. The haze was pretty bad. Some of the towers especially near the TX and OK state line went up into the clouds. Sure keeps your eyes wide open. Thank goodness for my GPS. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:26:03 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Return trip Perry to NM At 02:17 AM 9/27/97 -0600, you wrote: > >Rich, Bobby, and others that had asked about our return flight, > >We stayed out of the mountains as much as possible due to the >questionable weather, so it turned into a bit of a longer trip. The >return trip turned into about 500 miles of scud running, 50 miles of VFR >on top, and 100 miles of nice weather. David and I made it within about >20 miles of Santa Rosa, NM before we got into enough rain that we turned >back to Tucumcari Sunday afternoon. Flying in the rain under low >ceilings, of course my engine went into "auto rough" mode. I suspect >carb ice flying along throttled back next to the Hummel Bird. We spent >the night at the same "Pow-Wow" Motel Dan Diehl had talked about on >Friday night. Still had to fight the weather a bit on Monday morning to >get home and had to do a circle or two over the home airport before I got >a hole to drop through to the airport. Went to work about 2 hours late, >but since my boss is also a pilot and is building a plane, he was very >understanding. > >Tomorrow morning I'm going to go up to the airport to give the little >bird some much needed TLC. > >Thanks for asking. > >Jeff Scott > I'm glad that you guys are home A.O.K.. The whole Perry 'trip' is an experence that will last us all a lifetime. Right? Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:26:02 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Perry and Incident / brake thingies At 11:33 PM 9/26/97 -0600, you wrote: >> >>Did you guys go and change the regs on me? I thought it was 1 mile and >>clear of clouds!? In uncontrolled airspace anyway!!! >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>Micheal Mims >>Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > Micheal, I glad that you are right, otherwise I would have had to stay in Perry. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:26:05 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Gathering comments At 02:05 AM 9/27/97 -0600, you wrote: > > I think it would be a good idea to designate an >air boss next year to do >(1) Pilot briefing, >(2) A set of eyes on the ground >(3) Act as an advisor to help reign in some that might be "pressing the >limits" of flying etiquette. > >Pilot priefings should be held prior to flying in the pattern and should >be conducted away from the crowd, like over in the FBO office, for >example. > >Jeff Scott >jscott.pilot@juno.com > > Jeff's right. And this was the first KR Gathering that I have attended that did not have a pilots briefing on saturaday morning @ 9am. In the past, it a required meeting from all flying pilots, not just KR pilots. Don tried to hold a briefing but only three of us showed up, so it ever happened. Randy... The pilot's briefing needs to be an agenda item. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 07:28:13 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: KR: In Disguise? Anybody else notice that Randy Smith's KR-2 sure looked an awful lot like Neil Bingham's KR-2 that was pictured in Sport Aviation some years back when Neil offered an analysis of the KR-2 design? Don't have Randy's address or I would write him direct. Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 10:05:11 -0400 From: Patrick Flowers Subject: Re: KR: Customer Support Bobby Muse wrote: > > At 09:36 AM 9/26/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Actual dialog of a WordPerfect Customer Support employee: > > > >"Tell them you're too stupid to own a computer." > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Micheal Mims > > > > Micheal, This is really funny! I would laugh longer but I was a computer > repairmen in a previous life and I have seen several situations just like this. Heh, reminds me of a fax that was passed around our office recently of "actual" support desk calls. Two pages, but the corker was the woman that called AST tech support asking for a replacement "cup holder" for the one which had broken off her computer. The tech asked if this was an added accessory, and she replied "no, it slides out of the front of the computer when you push this button and has 4X written on it"! Patrick - -- Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net The GMC Motorhome Page http://www.gmcmotorhome.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 09:32:42 -0500 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: Bungee Trim Systems - SAFETY WARNING At 01:14 9/27/97 -0600, you wrote: > >... It uses a set of mild compression springs mounted to a >second rod that is mounted parallel to and is clamped to the push/pull >rod for the elevator. ... >Jeff Scott > > Using compression spring capsules rather than tension springs is a good design idea. Rigging a stick to lift the elevator T.E when the stick is pulled back is an even better idea. It takes a full-servo elevator tab to work the other way round... Regards brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:30:00 -0400 From: Scott Aldrich <71714.1611@compuserve.com> Subject: KR: Engines Thanks everybody for the input on the two cycles. Micheal is right if you stay below 1200 AGL, above that you have the cloud seperation baloney (but still 1 mile vis.) - like who can really tell how far away they are anyway? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 09:43:35 -0700 From: taildrag@juno.com (Oscar J. Zuniga, Jr.) Subject: KR: Intro, thanks, soapbox Good morning, KRNetters If you don't have time to waste on intros, delete this and go on. I promise I'll only do this once, then seriously avoid using up your time with lengthy messages. My name is Oscar Zuniga, from Medford, Oregon (4 years now; originally from Laredo, Texas). I'm 46, married, kids, 135 lb. (so I can fit in a KR-2S), pilot for 16 yrs., 470 hrs. PPSEL/VFR. Mostly spam cans, Citabria, Super Cub. I am a mechanical and electrical engineer (got my pocket protector to prove it; slide rule, too). I am one of those kinds of people who, when they get something new, open the box, take out the instructions, close the box, and go read the instructions first. Including the lawyer-inspired cautions, the fine print, the disclaimers, the warranty, the copyright, the name of the printer... everything. My wife says I never get anything done because of this. I have been an EAAer for almost 16 yrs., always knew I would build something, but had to raise a fam. and pay bills and Bill and Hill. Now it's my turn! (Well, almost... still about 2 yrs. away from the build). My first choice way back was a KR, then a couple of years ago I was hot on the KitFox, but came back to KR because of lower cost and higher speed. Ordered the latest info pack from RR last year, and found it hadn't changed much since many years ago when I had first ordered one. This is good. I hit on the KRNet a few weeks ago, just joined a week ago, and it has been EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED AND NEEDED... my plan was to learn what the builders/pilots are saying, to save me time and $$ when I really do it. I am organizing a book with highlighted good stuff off this Net, so I will waste no time reinventing the wheel. I will get my "honey-do" list cleaned up, get my garage cleaned up (months!), get my kids grown up (getting close), start gathering tools and components, get the plans bought and studied (months)... then order my kit. It will be the KR-2S/S. That's a new type that I coined, for "Stretch/Subaru". [Gonna go to the boneyard and scrounge me up some S/S emblems off an old '64 Chevy, drill lightening holes through them so as not to add too much excess weight, and glue those puppies on my cowling.] [ : ^ ) Seriously, I plan to use the Soob because of the reputation. Hey, Soob-heads, I'm hanging on your every word! Let's talk redrives, props, ignition, carburetion, mounts. Let's NOT talk turbos, direct drive, injection, and computer chips; nothing but trouble. I think I will be on safe ground with the spouse if I can't afford the KR kit for a while but go ahead and start on firewall forward. (She probably won't even notice the engine way back there among the other stuff). All I need is one of those Harbor Freight Salvage engine stands so I can roll it around. I figure I'll get a good core to start with, tear it down and slowly build it back up like I really will be relying on it in the air, then save up for the expensive stuff like redrive. It should be no big chore to tack together some cheapie gaugess and a stand, hook up my trolling motor battery, and actually do some test-running before I pickle it while I build the "Deuce Super/Sport". (Hey- how about a convertible KR so I can cruise the runway at Perry with my shades on? The KR is already a low-rider...) By the way, my little GPS says I'm sitting 1.421 SM from Perry. Let's see now... at 150 MPH, how many fuel/coffee/pit stops do I figure? I have to thank lots of people who have already replied to my questions- too many to remember. But especially to Paul Martin for letting me sit in his KR-2 at his garage (sorry to see you ruin a good KR by mounting the tailwheel on the wrong end, Paul), and to RossY for this forum (my check's in the mail, Ross). And to BSHADR for patiently replying to everything. This is what it's all about, folks, and why sport/experimental flying is so great. Now the soapbox. I have, of course, read all the exchanges about the flying at Perry. On the matter of changing the venue, it sounds like the site is already becoming part of the mystique, and people would probably zip over there from Kansas City or wherever it was moved to, for an 'informal', private gathering anyway! And, yes, definitely we need to find out what is needed in the way of help in putting the event on, otherwise those who carry the load will get burned out and soured that so many take so much from so few. I'm a long ways away, but plan to be there someday (maybe in 2000?), and want to help. Regarding the flying, my comments are: we are all licensed pilots. We have all read the regs, and have received instruction on this stuff. We've all read the accident reports, we've all been to airshows, we've all done at least a little 'fun' flying (hey- I even flew a Tomahawk once WITH THE DOORS OFF! This is really color-outside-the-lines behavior by an engineer pilot). The reason we are all here is because we love flying, and especially sport aviation. If it weren't fun, we wouldn't be doing this, right? It is most undeniably pleasurable and exhilarating to do some of the stuff we do. Many of us fly Young Eagles, some of us fly professionally, all of us know of someone who has drilled it in. None of us wants to be the one in the smoking hole. So, my remarks would have to go along with what the cooler heads are saying: it's no big chore to set up an air boss thing with a handheld and binocs, a couple of spotters, some prior arrangements, a briefing, and- let's go have some fun! Don't spoil somebody's family outing, or make somebody a widow... just get out there on the edge a little bit, SAFELY, and have tons of fun! Why go into the strict definition of what constitutes an aerobatic maneuver? Or 'unwarranted low flight'? Or a 'congested area'? If I want to blast out some anthills a few inches off the deck, though, I don't think I'll do it if there's even a remote chance that The Dark Side is on premises. I know where the highest bridge in Oregon is, guys. A plane might could just get under that thing. But I would never do it.... or wouldn't tell you I had, anyway. Thanks for the time and "bandwidth"! Oscar taildrag@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 10:32:25 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Return trip Perry to NM On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:26:03 -0500 Bobby Muse writes: >I'm glad that you guys are home A.O.K.. The whole Perry 'trip' is an >experence that will last us all a lifetime. Right? > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX It was both a learning experience and a confidence builder for me. When I left for Perry, I still only had ~50 hours on my plane. The trip helped me to builf alot of confidence in my little plane. I also learned a great deal about the plane by flying it from an airport at 1000' ASL. It flies much differently from 1000' ASL vs 7000' ASL. I really liked getting to play with it down at that lower altitude. Also got to practice my formation work quite a bit on the way there and home while flying along with the Hummelbird. - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:50:02 -0500 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: 97 Gathering page Mark, have you got a copy of the DeFreeze gear set up you could send me? Rich MCCall 1518 Holly Lane Junction City, KS 66441 Mark Langford wrote: > John, > > Thanks for the kind words. Yep, the mutant's fuselage is all composite, > with an Aerocore firewall. I heard it turned out on the heavy side though. > I didn't pay much attention to the nose gear, since it was on the wrong > end, but I think it's the DeFreeze setup that's detailed in the Newsletter > a few years back, but I could be wrong. Bottom line: I don't know which > way it goes. It'll be there next year, since it is based in Perry. I'll > bet a call to Don Betchan would tell you all you wanted to know about it. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > email at langford@hiwaay.net > KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > > ---------- > > From: John Roffey > > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > > Subject: Re: KR: 97 Gathering page > > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 10:19 PM > > > > Mark Langford wrote: > > > > > > KRNetHeads, > > > > > > For those of you that couldn't make the Gathering, I put some pictures > out > > > there at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/k97gathr.html, or you can get > to > > > it from the URL below. There's always next year... > > > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > > email at langford@hiwaay.net > > > KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > > Mark, great job on the pix. The KR2S in some of the last pictures is > > awsome. That sliding canopy is food for much thought. Do I understand > > that the fuselage is all composite? Does the nose gear retract forward > > or rearward? I hope video Bob caught that one in the 97 Gathering tape. > > Can't wait to see more. > > John Roffey > > jeroffey@tir.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:03:38 -0500 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: Bending the Fuselage Sides John: Not quite sure what you mean, but when I built my sides I skinned them at the same time. Then followed the directions in the manual to start putting the botttom diagonals on (primarily front and rear, then filled in the middle) bottom. I had to set it up so that my pumb bob indicated the sides were level and the bottom centered on the red center line. The big difference on my kr2s is that I did not put a twist in the bottom; mine is straight down. This sped up the building process for me. Rich McCall Junction City, KS John Bouyea wrote: > What are the techniques to helping the fuselage sides retain the desired > position after arcing them into the boat shape? My sides have been on the > table for 4 weeks now and they STILL want to snap back straight/ flat. > > Did everyone glue them together and let the belly skin tie it all together > or is there a way to help them to retain the arced/ bent shape without > remaining under such tension? > > John Bouyea > johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net > kr2s - trying to glue the cross-members in the belly > Hillsboro, Oregon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:16:17 -0500 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: repost - Re:Whats "up ducts" Could have sworn I saw a reply or two to this msg out there. Rich McCall Cary Honeywell wrote: > Email (repy) to cary@storm.ca > Web page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/ > KR2 area http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2.shtml > > I posted this one during the Perry email storm and got no replies. I'll > post it again in case someone has an answer, or at least to know that > no-one has the answer. > > - Cary - > > > > > For those of you using Volks, Revs and Hapi's, here is one. > > > > When I got my project, the original builder had installed air scoops on > the > > sides of the cowel to pass cooling air over the fins on the valve lifter > > covers. I thought it was a neat idea as these covers do not ordinarily > get > > any cooling air unless this is done. I have considered using NACA/NASA > > submerged inlets to provide for this cooling since I had to cut a hole in > > the cowel to get it to fit over the mounting bolt. I am using the RR > prefab > > cowel, and is not me desire to do too much cutting here. The whole unit > did > > not properly fit the Revmaster installation despite it being designed for > > it. A lot of cutting has been done already, plus I installed air-flow > > directors and dams on the lower cowel to direct the flow of air to the > oil > > cooler mounted on the bottom of the engine. > > > > If any of you are using the Revmaster oil cooler, perhaps you could tell > me > > how you directed the airflow to it. I put a half-moon air scoop on the > > front of the cowel, building an air director behind it to strengthen the > > scoop and to direct the airflow to the cooler. You can see the oil cooler > > in the photos of my web page. > > > > I know cooling is a big thing here, but am I overdoing it? > > > > - Cary - ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #105 *****************************