From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 1997 8:08 AM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n106' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #106 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Sunday, September 28 1997 Volume 01 : Number 106 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 10:10:51 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Bending the Fuselage Sides At 12:03 PM 9/27/97 -0500, you wrote: >The big difference on my kr2s is that I did not put a twist in the bottom; >mine is straight down. This sped up the building process for me. The famous words "If I had it to do over again" arise once more! I would build my fuselage with straight sides "if I had it to do over again"! Oh yes,..... one VERY IMPORTANT ITEM. Make sure the widest part of your fuselage is at your shoulders and not the instrument panel. This has aerodynamic advantages as well as ergo benefits! The widest part of your fuselage should be as close as possible to the trailing edge of your wing as well as the tallest part of your fuselage. This could be worth 3 or 4 MPH, maybe more! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:17:58 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Re: In Disguise? Ed Janssen wrote: > Anybody else notice that Randy Smith's KR-2 sure looked an awful lot like > Neil Bingham's KR-2 that was pictured in Sport Aviation some years back when > Neil offered an analysis of the KR-2 design? Don't have Randy's address or > I would write him direct. I think that's true. At least I've thought that for some time for some reason. I remember a Newsletter article Randy wrote about finding it in somebody's back yard from the air, stripped. That also fits Neil's plane, which he parted out to furnish a Starduster or something. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford - ---------- > From: Ed Janssen > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: In Disguise? > Date: Saturday, September 27, 1997 7:28 AM > > Anybody else notice that Randy Smith's KR-2 sure looked an awful lot like > Neil Bingham's KR-2 that was pictured in Sport Aviation some years back when > Neil offered an analysis of the KR-2 design? Don't have Randy's address or > I would write him direct. > > Ed Janssen > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:10:54 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR: 97 Gathering page Rich MCCall wrote: > Mark, have you got a copy of the DeFreeze gear set up you could send me? Rich, I don't have the actual plans, but I think the gist of it was published in an ancient Newsletter. I'll try to dig it up and let you borrow it for a while. Didn't DeFreeze pack it in later on? If so, those plans just got a lot harder to locate! But maybe an ad in the Newsletter would turn up something. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:45:59 -0400 (EDT) From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Bending the Fuselage Sides In a message dated 97-09-26 16:45:47 EDT, you write: << I have read from other's experiences, perhaps here, that if you place some damp rags on the top longerons in the cockpit area once they are bent and glued up and let the wood get damp for about 24 hours (not soaked though), and then let it dry back out slowly, naturally, that it will then keep the shape. This is what I will be doing for sure. I want the thing to stay at the width I have it set. Or as much as possible. The best place to do this would be around where your shoulders will end up. That is where you really need the width. Robert Covington >> Robert, I used that technique as a result of talking with our EAA chapter Tech Counselor who is a long time rebuilder of J-3 Cubs and other wood airplanes. I did however soak the wood along about a 10" to 12" area where I wanted the bend. I kept rag strips wrapped around the top longeron and kept them very wet for the first 6 hours or so then wrapped aluminum foil around the strips so the water wouldn't evaporate. I left things that way till the next afternoon when I took everything off the wood and let it dry over the next day or so. Here in western S. Dakota, the humidity is rather low so it might take a couple of days to dry out in other areas. Anyway, I could lift the fuselage on and off of the pieces of 2X4's I had screwed to the table and used to bend the sides around. It didn't even try to move back any at all. I was quite pleased with the results. Also, I made the mistake of widening the cockpit at the bend that was shown on the plans instead of the shoulder area so I didn't gain the benefit of the whole 4" that I used. Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:49:58 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Gathering comments In a message dated 97-09-27 08:08:27 EDT, you write: << Randy... The pilot's briefing needs to be an agenda item. Bobby Muse(N122B) >> Bobby: It was on the agenda (once on Friday & twice for Sat), but I think Don & I got off to a bad start. He felt under a lot of pressure by doing everything himself. He was driving his whole family nuts the prior couple of weeks. Everytime I talked to him, he was very short. I sensed he felt I was pushing him or something (Geez Rob, imagine me giving anyone that feeling). As a result, I tried not to make him feel pressured. I sure didn't want to have the paramedics called to the airport for a "blown fuse" on my account. We'll try to tighten this up a bit for '98. Thanks for the thoughts. Randy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:50:05 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Going fast in a KR In a message dated 97-09-27 13:23:29 EDT, you write: << Oh yes,..... one VERY IMPORTANT ITEM. Make sure the widest part of your fuselage is at your shoulders and not the instrument panel. This has aerodynamic advantages as well as ergo benefits! The widest part of your fuselage should be as close as possible to the trailing edge of your wing as well as the tallest part of your fuselage. This could be worth 3 or 4 MPH, maybe more! >> For you folks who havn't yet, do go visit the AR5 website. Mike Arnold built a bird that will do 213 on 65 hp! He covers a lot of Aero info that is applicable to KRs. Also you need to read the book by Ken Paser, how he made his Mustang II go 64 mph FASTER without a power increase. Lots of good info to be had in that darn book. The tidbits Mike Mims tossed out are covered in detail by these guys. Read a bit and learn a bunch. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:22:59 -0400 (EDT) From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Going fast in a KR In a message dated 97-09-27 17:54:09 EDT, you write: << or you folks who havn't yet, do go visit the AR5 website. Mike Arnold built a bird that will do 213 on 65 hp! He covers a lot of Aero info that is applicable to KRs. Also you need to read the book by Ken Paser, how he made his Mustang II go 64 mph FASTER without a power increase. Lots of good info to be had in that darn book. The tidbits Mike Mims tossed out are covered in detail by these guys. Read a bit and learn a bunch. Randy Stein >> Could you post the AR5 website as well as the name of the Paser book? Thanks... Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:25:19 +0000 From: darrin Subject: Re: KR: Intro, thanks, soapbox I read every word. Welcome Oscar, and good luck with your plane. I am now in the boat stage of a kr-1 and love building this fun little plane. Darrin West darrinwest@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 16:27:07 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Going fast in a KR At 06:22 PM 9/27/97 -0400, you wrote: > Could you post the AR5 website? http://www.crl.com./~marnold/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 23:05:06 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Going fast in a KR In a message dated 97-09-27 18:26:42 EDT, Jim wrote: << Could you post the AR5 website as well as the name of the Paser book? Thanks... >> Jim: Sorry, but mine is packed right. Minor remodel time around here. Look in the back of Sport Aviation or Kitplanes. Ken advertises every month under book. I'll dig it up from there if you don't have any luck yourself. Randy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 00:03:27 -0500 From: John Roffey Subject: Re: KR: Perry and Incident / brake thingies Micheal Mims wrote: > > At 10:58 PM 9/26/97 -0600, you wrote: > >Scud is another word for low clouds, hence scud running > >is dodging those low clouds allowing you to fly in > >marginal VFR, as long as you have 3 miles visibility and > >stay what is it 1000' to the sides and 500' below 'em voilla! VFR! > > > > Did you guys go and change the regs on me? I thought it was 1 mile and > clear of clouds!? In uncontrolled airspace anyway!!! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com > http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand > > \ / > \ _\/\/_ > / __/_//\\_\_____ > > F-117 > Having structural failure! A mile and clear of clouds. Thats what I learnerd to use when I got my instrument rating.(shot the ILS at the big airport and scud run 13 miles to home base. Flat ground around here.) John Roffey jeroffey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 04:33:22 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: Going fast in a KR On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:22:59 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > > Could you post the AR5 website as well as the name of the Paser book? > Thanks... > >Jim Hayward Jim Contact: Paser Publications 5672 W. Chestnut Ave Littleton, CO 80123 303-904-3417 Book is $24.95 + $3.50 S&H Brian J Bland Claremore,OK http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 06:41:46 -0700 From: Melvin Poradun Subject: Re: KR: Going fast in a KR BSHADR@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-09-27 13:23:29 EDT, you write: > > For you folks who havn't yet, do go visit the AR5 website. Mike > Arnold built > a bird that will do 213 on 65 hp! He covers a lot of Aero info that > is > applicable to KRs. > > > Randy Stein > BSHADR@aol.com > Soviet Monica, CA Were is the AR5 web site? I have done a search and didn't find it. Thank you Mel Poradun Email: mporadun@nas.com http://www.nas.com/~mporadun/mims.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 08:46:55 -0500 From: brian whatcott Subject: KR: Dfly Feedback from John Mason I edited this note from John off the Dragon list. I think it was triggered by a discussion on the great usefulness of even the databaseless GPSs. Thought you might find the engine/cooler comments useful. Regards brian whatcott At 23:35 9/27/97 -0700, John Mason wrote: >Hello all, > > On the way to Ottawa and back! Some highlights and pitfalls. >Off Visalia, Calif. to Tuscon....We were to join with Dave Carlson, a >Q-2 / revmaster driver... It went like this--I >am at 9500 where are you?--So am I, Have you passed the saddle yet? >Yep.I am abeam the two peaks to the north. Man I sure can't see >you--This is the pits. This went on for an hour ... With the help of the G P S Justin reported 40 miles out >of West Texas and I was out 30--He and dave slowed to 110 I went to 150. >( You see, Dave has a hiking GPS, that needs to have the Lat. and Long. >entered in order to establish a waypoint. This is very dificult, if not >impossible to do while flying, looking, and look up the fixes in a book. >These types are OK if flying where you know where you are going and can >pre-program all of the waypoints. An aero data base is essential.) ... >OK, landed, fueled, and noticed that there was some oil on the belly of >his plane. We looked, decowled and really looked. We found no source of >the leak.... Twenty miles past Roswell, Dave >keys up and says "John--MY OIL PRESSURE IS ZERO, I am going to try and >make it back to the airport. He throttled back, contacted the tower, and >landed safely. > Revmaster, in someone's infinite wisdom decided somehow, to block >off the oil by-pass resulting in having oil pressures in the ninety psi >range upon starting the engine while cold. This is OK, I guess, but when >coupled with a paper thin oil cooler and in a high vibration >environment, and large hoses that are creating stress on the fittings >you have a real potential for disaster. Dave was very fortunate. I >personally have blown out three of this exact cooler in a Formula >Russell--Mazda powered race car. Dave said he was running a little >behind and took off while the oil pressure was still a little high. The >cooler is an after market item that is available from Whitneys catalog, >hotrod, and offroad, shops and is marketed but a number of distributers. >They all are mfg. in Canada and this one was stamped Borg Warner. They >are all 1 1/2 inches thick and 8 inches wide. Some are 3 inches deep, 6 >inches, and Daves was 11 1/2. ... >John >Mason >dragonlist brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:43:10 -0500 From: bwatkins@ldd.net (BRUCE WATKINS) Subject: Re: KR: Going fast in a KR > > Were is the AR5 web site? I have done a search and didn't find it. > > Thank you > Mel Poradun > Email: mporadun@nas.com > http://www.nas.com/~mporadun/mims.htm > Try http://www.crl.com/~marnold for the AR-5 web site. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 11:43:57 -0500 From: kr2builder@juno.com (Richard E Pitman) Subject: Re: KR: PLANS 4 SALE Somewhere among the 149 downloads I got this morning was a request for plans? Anyhow, after reading it I couldn't find it again. Sorry to use this area, but unable to locate address for direct reply. I have one (1) set of KR2 (NOT KR2S) plans with construction manual. This is the only item not sold at Perry. All pages and plans intact. I believe that these are transferable. This is a registered set bought from Rand-Robinson. Will part with for $ 105.00 includes shipping within the US. E-Mail direct to RNRicky @ juno.com Ricky Pitman KR2 Builder Marion, Arkansas E-Mail to: KR2Builder@juno.com Web Page: http://pw2.netcom.com/~rnricky/Ricky/Default.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:45:27 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: my gathering pics There is a self extracting zip file at: (aprox 200k) http://members.aol.com/kr2svw/picsonly.exe that contains about 20 images from the gathering. I also have a nice jpg viewer if anyone needs it let me know! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:42:21 -0500 From: kencor@cneti.com (Ken Cornelius) Subject: Re: KR: Going fast in a KR >In a message dated 97-09-27 18:26:42 EDT, Jim wrote: > ><< Could you post the AR5 website as well as the name of the Paser book? > Thanks... >> > >Jim: > >Sorry, but mine is packed right. Minor remodel time around here. Look in >the back of Sport Aviation or Kitplanes. Ken advertises every month under >book. I'll dig it up from there if you don't have any luck yourself. > >Randy > > Hi Folks: The name of the book is " Speed With Economy" by Kent Paser. I have it. It has alot of great ideas. He will not take credit cards but will send you the book with an invoice and let you send him a check. (Great Guy) The cost of the book with shipping is $28.45. His phone number is 303-904-3417. It's in Littleton, Co. Ken Cornelius kencor@cneti.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:39:28 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: PLANS 4 SALE On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 11:43:57 -0500 kr2builder@juno.com (Richard E Pitman) writes: >Somewhere among the 149 downloads I got this morning was a request for >plans? Anyhow, after reading it I couldn't find it again. Sorry to >use this area, but unable to locate address for direct reply. I have >one (1) set of KR2 (NOT KR2S) plans with construction manual. This is >the only item not sold at Perry. >All pages and plans intact. I believe that these are transferable. >This is a registered set bought from Rand-Robinson. >Will part with for $ 105.00 includes shipping within the US. E-Mail >direct to RNRicky @ juno.com > > > >Ricky Pitman >KR2 Builder Ricky, The guy that needs the plans is not on the net, but you can call him at (507) 526-2586. His name is Dennis K. Boettcher. Tell him I passed his name to you. BTW, I want to publicly thank Ricky for running the fly market and congratulate him in selling almost everything he brought. I had quite a bit of stuff at the table as well, but my time was torn between talking to others at my plane, seminars, flying, etc. Ricky did and outstanding job of organizing, collecting $$, and even chasing me down when someone wanted to make an offer on some of my stuff. Service way beyond the call of duty. Thanks Ricky. BTW, I did pass off the box of money to Don on Sunday morning. Jeff - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:24:01 -0700 From: taildrag@juno.com (Oscar J. Zuniga, Jr.) Subject: KR: Ed's KR-1 Well, I read about Ed buying somebody's KR-1, but it wasn't clear if it was flying, or a project? Have you had it around the patch yet, if it's flying, Ed? Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon taildrag@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:29:43 -0700 From: taildrag@juno.com (Oscar J. Zuniga, Jr.) Subject: KR: Neil Bingham's KR-2 I saw the posting about the Sport Aviation review of Neil Bingham's KR-2. Does anybody know or remember what issue or year of Sport Aviation? Mine are "archived" (in boxes in the garage), and it would save me lots of time and dust if anybody happens to have that info handy, even the general DECADE!. I'd like to read the review, especially if it involved any sort of handling qualities/flying qualities report. Just pix would be nice, though. Thanks Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon taildrag@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:31:07 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: Ed's KR-1 On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:24:01 -0700, you wrote: >Well, I read about Ed buying somebody's KR-1, but it wasn't clear if it >was flying, or a project? Have you had it around the patch yet, if it's >flying, Ed? > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon >taildrag@juno.com Oscar,=20 Check out http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3050/ This is Bill Reents web page. Ed bought the KR-1 from him. There are pictures of it during construction and flying. Brian J Bland Claremore, OK Building KR-2S (Widened and stretched) http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:42:22 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Re: Neil Bingham's KR-2 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_01BCCC3E.41B8CCC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oscar J. Zuniga, Jr. wrote: > Does anybody know or remember what issue or year of Sport Aviation? 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Zuniga, Jr. wrote: > Does anybody know or remember what issue or year of Sport Aviation? January of 88 >> If I remember right, someone had posted the article to a web page for a limited time, and I never got a chance to download it. Does anyone still have a copy they can send/upload to a web page? I'd like to add it to the other info on my web page. Thanks! Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 02:28:01 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: Re: Neil Bingham's KR-2 On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 21:50:23 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >If I remember right, someone had posted the article to a web page for a >limited time, and I never got a chance to download it. Does anyone = still >have a copy they can send/upload to a web page? I'd like to add it to = the >other info on my web page. Thanks! > >Cheers, >Rick Junkin >EagleGator@aol.com >St. Charles MO I will have it on my web page shortly! http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm Brian J Bland Claremore, OK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:21:05 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: web site update I added a few pictures to the web site. Lets see,.... the engine, controls, fuel tanks, and a few other pages have new pictures. So if your interested check them out! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 23:55:08 -0400 From: dennis ambrose Subject: Re: KR: 97 Gathering page At 02:10 PM 9/27/97 -0500, you wrote: >Rich MCCall wrote: > >> Mark, have you got a copy of the DeFreeze gear set up you could send me? > >Rich, I don't have the actual plans, but I think the gist of it was >published in an ancient Newsletter. I'll try to dig it up and let you >borrow it for a while. Didn't DeFreeze pack it in later on? If so, those >plans just got a lot harder to locate! But maybe an ad in the Newsletter >would turn up something. > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >email at langford@hiwaay.net >KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > I have a line drawing picture of it from an add in an old news letter I could fax you. It may give you enough info to copy it. Just give me your fax number if you have one. Sorry I can't scan it. Regards Dennis (in Toronto) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 02:54:22 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: Re: Neil Bingham's KR-2 On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 02:28:01 GMT, you wrote: >On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 21:50:23 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > > >>If I remember right, someone had posted the article to a web page for a >>limited time, and I never got a chance to download it. Does anyone = still >>have a copy they can send/upload to a web page? I'd like to add it to = the >>other info on my web page. Thanks! >> >>Cheers, >>Rick Junkin >>EagleGator@aol.com >>St. Charles MO > >I will have it on my web page shortly! > >http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm > >Brian J Bland >Claremore, OK It is now there go get it!! Brian J Bland Claremore, OK http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:15:32 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Ricky P. In a message dated 97-09-28 17:45:41 EDT, Jeff wrote: << BTW, I want to publicly thank Ricky for running the fly market and congratulate him in selling almost everything he brought. I had quite a bit of stuff at the table as well, but my time was torn between talking to others at my plane, seminars, flying, etc. Ricky did and outstanding job of organizing, collecting $$, and even chasing me down when someone wanted to make an offer on some of my stuff. Service way beyond the call of duty. Thanks Ricky. BTW, I did pass off the box of money to Don on Sunday morning. Jeff >> I agree 100%. Ricky took care of the KRNet stuff too, collected the $$ and gave it to me when he left. He also was nice enough to donate $50 to KRNet as a token of his appreciation. What a guy! Way to go Ricky. Jeff - Don gave me the KRNet $ left after the event. So Ross should be smiling by now. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA PS - Ross is still accepting donations from anyone who did not have a opportunity to pay their KRNet "dues" for this year. $10 is the suggested amount, but not required. It sure is a good source for the $.83 per month this figures out to. Be a sport and participate. We don't keep score, but we have a supply of "system crashes" saved up for those who forget to donate... :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:11:03 -0500 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: Re: Neil Bingham's KR-2 At 02:54 9/29/97 GMT, you wrote: >>http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm >> >>Brian J Bland >>Claremore, OK > >It is now there go get it!! > Enjoyed reading this piece, but where's page 6? Regards brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 21:43:14 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Progress Report (Fiberglass Tips Too!) Tom, You are right about the small bump. I cut the old distributor bump off and now I have a nice small bulge. I glassed it yesterday, and UGH!!! Ran out of micro balloons! I will be on the horn to ACS tomorrow. I have gotten the belly ready for primer (nearly) one or two more passes with the sandpaper should be good. Too bad I was out of filler today. -- Ross Tom Crawford wrote: > > Ross Youngblood wrote: > > > > For those not in Perry... > > > > I ordered a COMPU-FIRE ignition system today... hopefully it will > > be here Monday and I can cut down the big distributor bump I've built > > into my cowling. I can't wait! > > > > I put my KR up on some pallets so it is easier to get underneath > > and sand. Now I know how thay painted the Cistene Chapel[sp]. If > > you get a chance, paint the bottom of your KR before you hang the > > engine, it's much easier to turn over then. > > > > I sanded... sanded... then marked low spots for filler. Having > > enough of that, I floxed in a couple of 1/8" thick tabs I've made with > > camlock fastener recepticles riveted on. The idea is that you can > > pop off the cowling by just twisting about 12-18 camlock fasteners. > > So far so good. > > > > Last night I messed with the engine baffleing. I've used Steve > > Bennets templates for the VW, which make it MUCH easier. However as > > it says in the instructions, your baffeling will be different from the > > template. They are a great start though. > > > > My goal is to get the engine turned over and run for the first 20 > > minute break-in period before years-end. > > Glass Tips... > > > > I found that the large plastic kitty litter and kitty food containers > > make great containers for the Cotton FLOCK that comes in plastic sacks. > > It's much easier to dispense when you have gloves on, and unlike the > > sacks, it is unlikely to to tip over and spill everywhere. I'd give > > you the brand, but the container has a 3" or so opening with a flip > > open lid. > > > > For micro balloons, I like to use 2 liter soda bottles that have > > been rinsed out and dried. You can squeeze them and the micro pours > > right out into your mixing jar. Make sure to wear eye protection and > > a resperator for this. The tiny balloons do a real number on your > > eyes if you accidently get any of the dust. Try not to get too much > > dust out and about when you pour it into the bottle. > > > > For DRY micro... I like it REALLY dry, and it doesn't like to stick > > to anything. So I paint pure epoxy into the depression I want to fill, > > and it helps the stuff stay put. It makes the dry micro wetter, but > > it works. > > > > -- > > Ross Youngblood > > KRNET-L administrator > > mailto:rossy@teleport.com > > http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm > > Ross, > > I'm here with ya. Between being in the middle of my own flight testing > program and the recent birth of my son, (babysitting, ya know) I decided > not to go to Perry. Next year I fly to the gathering- and this time I > mean it. > > I think you will be happy with the Compu-fire. On my plane the bump in > the cowl is not really that big, and I have come to like it. Just one > more curve to admire. > > Build on my friend! > > Tom Crawford > tomc@afn.org > Gainesville, FL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 21:46:44 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: deck construction Is urethane dust really toxic? I wouldn't want to breathe it into my lungs that is why I have a dust mask, but I thought the concern was that if you HOT WIRED it you got a nasty deadly gas. Sanding it is just a particulate problem, like fiberglass dust. Nasty, but not to bad. (I admit styrofoam might be better re dust, but it is a bit more difficult to sand... I've used both) -- Ross smithr wrote: > > MikeTnyc@aol.com wrote: > > > Concerning foam, does anybody know if styrofoam can be sanded the same as > > urethane, or does it not sand as readily? I was thinking of using styrofoam > > instead of urethane because urethane dust is toxic, but I like the idea of > > sanding to get the shape and would not want to use hot wiring, even though > > this is how styrofoam is often shaped. > > > > Mike Taglieri > > There are 2 types of styrene foam. The most common one is the blue foam > sold at building supply stores. This does not sand very well. However, > there is another one called EPS (expanded polystyrene) that has a larger > cell structure that sands just great. Strength is the same in both and > about the same as urethane foam. In my area it is sold as a support for > docks called "dock billet". Wicks also sells it as "large cell > styrene foam" Two drawbacks to styrene are: 1 dissolves real fast on > exposure to gasoline and 2. wont take as much heat as urethane. > (However, Rutan uses it extensively and doesn't worry about these > drawbacks). I am using both but tend to favor the urethane because I > wont have to worry about high temp or solvent problems. > > Bob Smith, Albany, NY ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 21:49:53 -0700 From: Ross Subject: KR: [Fwd: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Non-member submission from ["Rex Ellington" ]] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------CE5422D473A8488EE9ED9474 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm forwarding Rex's email to KRNET. I thought I'd fixed this, but perhaps not. I just got my PC fixed (long story), and have a new rev of Netscape. So Rex gets to be the test subject for the new software. - -- Ross - --------------CE5422D473A8488EE9ED9474 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: owner-krnet-l@lists.teleport.com Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id IAA21874; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 08:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 08:14:36 -0700 (PDT) From: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199709221514.IAA21874@smtp1.teleport.com> To: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Non-member submission from ["Rex Ellington" ] >From krnet-l-owner Mon Sep 22 08:14:29 1997 Received: from hermes.services.ou.edu (hermes.services.ou.edu [129.15.2.121]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21755 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 08:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gslan.offsys.ou.edu by hermes.services.ou.edu with ESMTP; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:13:10 -0500 Received: from GSLAN/SpoolDir by gslan.offsys.ou.edu (Mercury 1.21); 22 Sep 97 10:13:10 -0600 Received: from SpoolDir by GSLAN (Mercury 1.21); 22 Sep 97 10:12:53 -0600 From: "Rex Ellington" Organization: University of Oklahoma To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:12:53 CDT Subject: Gathering thoughts X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Rex Ellington" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-ID: <23D51FA6910@gslan.offsys.ou.edu> G'Day All, hope it's a good day wherever your are. When I wound up my little RX7 'pocket rocket' at 2130 Saturday night to drive back to Norman, I felt like a case of memory circuit overload from all the things I had seen and heard. FWIW, I offer the following comments. I attended several Oshkosh conventions starting in 1973. By the mid '80s, I was completely disgusted at the commercialism, concentration on erector-set kit planes, and reduction of person-to-person exchanges. Perry was like the first couple of get-togethers I attended at Rockford B.O. (before Oshkosh). People of like interests were really eager to help each other out. When this not-very-vocal person left, it was with the feeling of having experienced something very unusual these days. Thanks to all that I met and talked to. Special thanks to those who made the presentations. I had to take notes furiously to keep up with the flow of ideas and suggestions on tools to make things easier. Most importantly, it was fun to be able to tie personalities to the people I've met on the net. The flight testing seminar should be repeated and repeated, it could save people and planes. It was stupid of a methodical person like me to want to fly hot planes in the Navy. Lucky for me, they suddenly had too many pilots in the pipeline and needed flight people in fighter direction and countermeasures, I always felt behind the curve when in the front seat. True Navy style, chemical engineers were considered good for crash training in EE and radar school in Boston. After managing project for other people for some thirty plus years, I have moved slowly this last year, to try and have all the big decisions made before starting, a project, to keep Murphy from tossing things into the critical path too frequently. Now, I know what I want to do and would hope to have the yellow and blue Taylorcraft 44264 that I flew in and out Friday, up for sale next fall. (by the way, that 33 ft. wingspan, 5 ft. chord, bird only weighs 712 pounds empty, which makes it almost STOL in winds like Friday's). I had a few pulse-raisers learning its characteristics. It is good that there are still people like Don and Randy who will make something like the Gathering really work. Rex Ellington Norman OK Rex T. Ellington ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu - --------------CE5422D473A8488EE9ED9474-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:36:00 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Perry,fly-bys and KRnet. Peter Hudson wrote: > > Hi KRnet, > . . . > KRnet has obviously had a big impact on the KR world...a few years ago I > felt pretty alone. At Perry I felt I knew most everyone I met at the > gathering and I know I missed most of you! Peter, Thanks! I feel the same way. I don't think I would still be working at my project if it were not for the other KRnet members I chat with who keep me inspired. They say 80% of kitplanes never get completed, sure must be a lot of bargin aircraft out there! -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:50:09 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR Perrykosh Sounded like Perry was a good location to me. How was the "town"? - -- Ross Ron Lee wrote: > > At 21:51 97/9/22 -0500, you wrote: > >Ed Newbold wrote: > > > >>I thought perhaps we should take a > >> KRNet poll first before ABSOLUTLEY deciding to do it at Perry again next > >year. > >> Perhaps Ohio, Kentucky or Tennessee, or even South Carolina? I'd be > >willing to > >> help organize the next one if need be. Let's talk. > > > > I recall this topic coming up before the '97 Gathering. I saw no replies > other than someone recommending my airport :) > > As I mentioned in my first post on Perry...it was well run and organized > and it > is a central US location. > > Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:10:16 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR Perrykosh At 10:50 PM 9/28/97 -0700, you wrote: >Sounded like Perry was a good location to me. How was the "town"? >-- Ross > Really old! I got a kick out of looking at the buildings downtown. Randy made the mistake of letting me have the keys to the car. I pretended to get lost so I could admire the older ones. I guess I am kind weird that way, I could look at old buildings all day! The brickwork on some of them was fantastic! There was a high school football game Friday night and I really wanted to check it out. Maybe next year if its a home game I can talk someone into going to the game with me! As far as food!!?? Well there was a McDonalds and it quickly became my choice for fine cuisine! Actually it was the first time I had eaten at McDonalds since Pine Bluff! We dont eat at McDonalds in Southern California, its not allowed! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:27:14 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Re: Re: KR Perrykosh Steve, I like the Pilot Briefing and the Weigh-in ideas. Thanks! -- Ross Steve Bennett wrote: > > We already have an offer to hold the KR gatering in KS up by KC over > labor day long weekend. It would be a combined KR, Dragonfly, Q1-Q2 > gathering. Spud Sporinitz has invited us to switch any time we want. > Very much like the KR event. Forums, fly-bys, talk and a banquet. > plenty of lodging near by. Had 23 homebuilts at this years event. > > Other suggestion I think would be very interresting is to have an > official aircraft weigh in at the fly-in. Dido's on the cross traffic > flying / bys, me also thinks this is dangerous. We can have fun, show > off the aircraft and fly safely. Suggest a pilot breifing each > morning before begining. Steve Bennett ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #106 *****************************