From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, December 08, 1997 1:36 PM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n107' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #107 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Monday, September 29 1997 Volume 01 : Number 107 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:32:19 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Instrument Panel I used cardboard, cut the shape I liked and went from there. However you might want to check out the template idea. It's kinda strange going out and cutting cardboard expecting it to come up as a finished airplane... but it works. - -- Ross Bobby Muse wrote: > > At 07:25 AM 9/23/97 -0700, you wrote: > >At 08:37 AM 9/23/97 -0600, you wrote: > >>Does anyone have a template or the dimensional profile for the > >>instrument panel for the KR-2S? I cannot find any reference in the > >>"manual" other than "install the instrument panel now". I called > >>Jeanette and was simply told to "make it fit". Not much help! I > >>haven't fitted the canopy frame yet. Any suggextions on how the size > >>(height and curvature) of the panel is determined? > >> > >>Bob Lasecki > >>Frustrated in Chicago > >> > > > >There isn't a published profile! isn't that neat! I suggest getting with > >Mark Lougheed from NEAR and have him draw you up the various stations and > >instrument panel. I wish I would have! Heck even Dan Diehl recommends using > >NEAR templates! His web site is at: > > > >http://206.129.98.5:80/~nearsite/ > > > >I know spending more money on plans doesn't sound that appealing but trust > >me it sure helps! Ask anyone who has built the KR how nice it would have > >been to have full size side and top drawings! If you screw up just one area > >while constructing the sides they would pay for themselves! I know of at > >least one or two builders who started out to build a KR2 and a KR2S and left > >out one of the 14 inch bays! Wouldn't that suck! > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Micheal Mims > >Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > > > > Why don't you just draw out the shape YOU want. But if you must know, a > general rule is that the instrument panel is normally shaped in a KR to be > non-inversely portioned to top most 1/2 of the vertical plane of the rear > deck taken at a station position as selected by the current builder or > designer. This means alsolutely nothing, so do it your way. > > Just make sure that you are able to sit in your plane and look over the > instrumant panel and see just a little of the nose of the KR and at the same > time be able to get in and out of the sit without too much trouble. > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:38:29 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: KRNetkosh Wow KR folks! I just recieved the check for $470. Thats significant funds to run KR net. My ISP bill is about $250/Yr, but includes this nifty majordomo service and website hosting extra disk space etc... but also unlimited net surfing. I will check into setting up a seperate identity for KRNET. That way my wife won't have to deal with all the KRNET email I get. I found a local site that sells T-Shirts. For about $20/color they will set up the silkscreen. I was thinking about selling KRNET T-shirts to fund this activity. If anyone has a design idea, email it to me and we can have a vote when I get around to it. Actually, this is what I was afraid of, now that I have this check I kinda have to be accountable for KRNET. Looks like we could use a backup admin now. Randy.. do you want the job? -- Ross BSHADR@aol.com wrote: > > KRNetters: > > We are happy to report that I'm sending a check to Ross covering the > donations collected at Perrykosh. Thank you all for tolerating my in person > rendition of a whine. I am pleased to report that $470 was collected and > will be forwarded to the KRNet Admin. > > This will help support KRNet. If any of you escaped my whine and didn't have > an opportunity to donate, you can send your check directly to Ross. Email me > private and I'll give it to you. I feel uncomfortable having Ross use his KR > Project doe for KRNet. > > I suggest $10 per year, collected at each gathering or in September. Thanks > to all who participated. It is a cheap resource with a quick response to any > posting. We all need to support this wonderful resource. > > Randy Stein > BSHADR@aol.com > Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 00:12:44 -0700 From: Ross Subject: KR: [Fwd: Builder in Japan?] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------1B0807EB505909EBED220609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've forgotton the name of the KRnetter who is dowing the Subaru missionary work in Japan :) . Can someone email this person and help them out! - -- Regards Ross - --------------1B0807EB505909EBED220609 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: j_link@directv.co.jp Received: from outdns01.directv.co.jp (outdns01.directv.co.jp [202.211.158.28]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA06669 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 21:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from indns02.directv.co.jp ([10.100.1.3]) by outdns01.directv.co.jp (8.7.1/3.4Wbeta6) with ESMTP id NAA09630 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:06:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from indns02.directv.co.jp ([10.100.50.185]) by indns02.directv.co.jp (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with ESMTP id AAA25259 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:14:12 +0900 Message-ID: <342F2B7A.B4FD6923@directv.co.jp> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:15:54 +0900 From: Jane L Link Reply-To: j_link@directv.co.jp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rossy@teleport.com Subject: Builder in Japan? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ross, Help! I need a KR fix! I'm here in Japan and finally managed to find some time to get to your page. I don't have access to my personal account so I'm borrowing one. Wasn't there a message in the KRNET some time ago about someone here who could get EA-81 engines? And did he say he was building too? Might as well try to contact him while I'm here so is there an easy way to search the archives to find him? I'll be here until the 24th of October and until then my only contact with a plane is through the Internet. The KR pages look real good. And the yearbook is a great idea. Some of those guys look like Arnold Schwartzenegger (sp!?). Are they related?? Thanks for your help. My tempory address is: j_link@directv.co.jp Later, Jane - --------------1B0807EB505909EBED220609-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 00:45:31 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Plans Oscar, I don't believe that RR sends this stuff out... I haven't gotten any, but then I have moved since I bought my plans. From Chandler Az to Corvallis OR. Come up sometime and take a peek at the project! -- Ross Oscar J. Zuniga, Jr. wrote: > > Pardon my ignorance (I am not yet a plans holder; soon to be)- but does > RR ever issue addenda/revisions/'bug fixes' to existing plans holders? > How about clarifications, 'advisory circulars', stuff like that- based on > feedback from builders? I guess not, since this net exists...? > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 00:51:53 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Bending the Fuselage Sides John, Well, this is an old thread come back to life. Your fuselage sides will want to pop up from the workbench no matter what... unless you grab some of those nifty "lofted" plans you keep hearing about. So if you don't have them, then you can do like I did, just try to keep the lifting to a "minimum" (I think I had 1-2"), and try to make it symmetrical. I didn't want to chance "snapping" longerons trying to get it to stick to the table, and figured it was just one of those things. Too bad this was 1989 and pre-KRNET, or I could have discovered that EVERYONE seems to have this problem. Hence the redesign of the "hull". I think this was Mark Langford's doing, but my aleged mind is not what it once was (Gerber Baby food), but is now something more like micro-balloons in water. -- Ross John Bouyea wrote: > > What are the techniques to helping the fuselage sides retain the desired > position after arcing them into the boat shape? My sides have been on the > table for 4 weeks now and they STILL want to snap back straight/ flat. > > Did everyone glue them together and let the belly skin tie it all together > or is there a way to help them to retain the arced/ bent shape without > remaining under such tension? > > John Bouyea > johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net > kr2s - trying to glue the cross-members in the belly > Hillsboro, Oregon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 00:55:54 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Old KRNet messages Oscar J. Zuniga, Jr. wrote: > > Hi, folks > . . . > since I'm not like the average person on this net who > seems to have a huge inheritance or sweepstakes earnings to draw on, and > can sit by the computer or in the shop and NOT HAVE TO WORK OR ANSWER TO > SPOUSE! Wrong Plans breath! (Well it's the best Carnac impression you get at 12:54AM) Why do you think it has taken me 10 years? Geez.... 1SPA = 1 80% completed KR-2 I believe I have some major financing to do as my wife will probably equate jet-ski's or somthing else expensive (jewlery etc) to the cost of the avionics I want. -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:03:37 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: repost - Re:Whats "up ducts" Wild Bill, Say, it's great to weld stuff, but many KR builders are KR builders due in part to a lack of this skill. My neighbor moved in and was building a Teenie Two, and showed me how to weld. Now I've been thinking that my NEXT airplane will be a tube and fabric KR. -- Ross Krwr1@aol.com wrote: > > Hay > > Why dont you weld what you need, that's what I did?? > > WildBill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:07:19 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Gathering comments (RE Turbine) > For the most part, I have to agree with Mike Mims. When the turbine > fired up, I couldn't be far enough away from it. I did my four years of > dealing with turbines in the Air Force, including that model in APUs. If > can hear it, smell it, or be hit by any parts it might throw, I'm too > close. :o) > We had a Turbine powered BD-5 taxi up and down at the Corvallis Air Fair last month. I just kept wondering what would happen if the prop flew off and hit some bystanders... paranoid? Probably, but that prop was spinning pretty fast. -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:18:53 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Gathering comments Randy, Let's line up some folks for commettes for next years fly-in. We can have special colored T-shirts to fool folks into thinking that we know what we are doing, and we can hook our handhelds up to our headsets and walk around important-like. (I saw this done at the local Corvallis Air Fair, and it seemed to work well). Also we should draft the local CAP chapter to show up and direct traffic. Also a local trick. -- Ross BSHADR@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-09-27 08:08:27 EDT, you write: > > << Randy... The pilot's briefing needs to be an agenda item. > > > Bobby Muse(N122B) >> > > Bobby: > > It was on the agenda (once on Friday & twice for Sat), but I think Don & I > got off to a bad start. He felt under a lot of pressure by doing everything > himself. He was driving his whole family nuts the prior couple of weeks. > Everytime I talked to him, he was very short. I sensed he felt I was > pushing him or something (Geez Rob, imagine me giving anyone that feeling). > As a result, I tried not to make him feel pressured. I sure didn't want to > have the paramedics called to the airport for a "blown fuse" on my account. > We'll try to tighten this up a bit for '98. > > Thanks for the thoughts. > > Randy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:28:55 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Ricky P. After 300 emails I finally get to this one.... thanks for the donations, unfortunately I'm not in this for the $$$. It's 1:26 in the morning, and I'm just trying to empty the ole' mailbox. The funds insure that KRnet will be alive and well through the next year for sure, and probably will take care of some much needed disk space for archives. If someone wants to orginize files for archives I can buy the disk space then plant links on the webpage. It's $5/Mb per year out here in teleport land. -- Ross BSHADR@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-09-28 17:45:41 EDT, Jeff wrote: > > << BTW, I want to publicly thank Ricky for running the fly market and > congratulate him in selling almost everything he brought. I had quite a > bit of stuff at the table as well, but my time was torn between talking > to others at my plane, seminars, flying, etc. Ricky did and outstanding > job of organizing, collecting $$, and even chasing me down when someone > wanted to make an offer on some of my stuff. Service way beyond the call > of duty. Thanks Ricky. BTW, I did pass off the box of money to Don on > Sunday morning. > > Jeff >> > > I agree 100%. Ricky took care of the KRNet stuff too, collected the $$ and > gave it to me when he left. He also was nice enough to donate $50 to KRNet > as a token of his appreciation. What a guy! Way to go Ricky. > > Jeff - Don gave me the KRNet $ left after the event. So Ross should be > smiling by now. > > Randy Stein > BSHADR@aol.com > Soviet Monica, CA > > PS - Ross is still accepting donations from anyone who did not have a > opportunity to pay their KRNet "dues" for this year. $10 is the suggested > amount, but not required. It sure is a good source for the $.83 per month > this figures out to. Be a sport and participate. We don't keep score, but > we have a supply of "system crashes" saved up for those who forget to > donate... :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:34:52 -0700 From: Ross Subject: KR: Them Prop bolts Well, the AN5-34 were too long, so I bought some AN5-33 and washers still too long. So I'm 92 miles away from home near the bolt place and decide to take a wild guess and buy some prop bolts. I guessed close AN5-31. Guess what... found out today these are too short! I can either buy some more washers or get some AN5-32. Hmmm. - -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 06:07:18 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Gathering comments At 01:18 97/9/29 -0700, you wrote: >Randy, > Let's line up some folks for commettes for next years fly-in. We >can have special colored T-shirts to fool folks into thinking that >we know what we are doing, and we can hook our handhelds up to our >headsets and walk around important-like. > (I saw this done at the local Corvallis Air Fair, and it seemed > to work well). > Also we should draft the local CAP chapter to show up and direct >traffic. Also a local trick. > > -- Ross Add a clipboard and similar shirts and you will be way cool. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:24:33 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Gathering comments At 01:18 AM 9/29/97 -0700, you wrote: >Randy, > Let's line up some folks for commettes for next years fly-in. We >can have special colored T-shirts to fool folks into thinking that >we know what we are doing, and we can hook our handhelds up to our >headsets and walk around important-like. > (I saw this done at the local Corvallis Air Fair, and it seemed > to work well). > Also we should draft the local CAP chapter to show up and direct >traffic. Also a local trick. > CAP in Perry!!??? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your almost as funny as Rob Covington! ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:25:54 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Them Prop bolts At 01:34 AM 9/29/97 -0700, you wrote: >Well, the AN5-34 were too long, so I bought some AN5-33 and washers >still too long. So I'm 92 miles away from home near the bolt place >and decide to take a wild guess and buy some prop bolts. I guessed >close AN5-31. Guess what... found out today these are too short! > >I can either buy some more washers or get some AN5-32. Hmmm. > >-- Ross > WASHERS!!!! ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:03:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: Gathering comments On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Ron Lee wrote: > At 01:18 97/9/29 -0700, you wrote: > >Randy, > > Let's line up some folks for commettes for next years fly-in. We > >can have special colored T-shirts to fool folks into thinking that > >we know what we are doing, and we can hook our handhelds up to our > >headsets and walk around important-like. > > (I saw this done at the local Corvallis Air Fair, and it seemed > > to work well). > > Also we should draft the local CAP chapter to show up and direct > >traffic. Also a local trick. > > > > -- Ross > > > Add a clipboard and similar shirts and you will be way cool. > > Ron > If someone wants to do the art work I can silk screen iron on transffers. I make the transffers each year for our vacation Bible School. I screen the black outline and the kids use the heat fusable paint to fill in the design. This would let you add your own color scheme and N number if you like. Price is right, free if we keep the numbers managable. Since I missed this years Gathering I refuse to have to go into the hospital next year. Now all I have to do is convince my Medical Examiner that my kidney stone was in fact blown up. Will book my motel room, for next years Gathering, this week. Steve Eberhart - -------------- newtech@newtech.com (working again) http://www.newtech.com (soon) http://www.evansville.net/~newtech (for Aero Computer info) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:00:09 -0700 From: David Moore Subject: KR: [Fwd: Builder in Japan?] KRnetters, I thought I would pass along this message I received this morning from Tim Schuy the builder in Japan. >TU>>I've forgotton the name of the KRnetter who is dowing the Subaru >TU>>missionary work in Japan :) . Can someone email this person and help >TU>>them out! >TU>>-- Regards >TU>> RossReturn-Path: j_link@directv.co.jp >Yes it me, Tim Schuy who has been working with the Subaru engines. Hit a >snag here and there but things are stabilizing. Been real busy with the >airline job, which is the reason I'm living here in Yokohama. Havew >started work on my engine first before building the KR-2S, and things >are coming together for me. Just wish I wasn't so busy with the work. >Summer time is real busy for us. Love the over time pay though. > >If someone wants to contact me about the engines my phone number is >045-622-3548 here in Yokohama. I'm hard to catch at home, but the answer >machine and fax machine is on and I do return my calls. Be happy to >help someone with my source to these engines. Much more cheaper then >what you would expect. Remember these people here have a tendancy to >give up these cars over here much to early then what we would do in the >states. Average milage that I have seen on these things has been around >30,000 kilometers. Some higher and allot more below. Can get the EA-81 >for about $200 from an car that is about 6 to 7 years old, from the >wrecking yard. > >Cheer's to all, > >Tim Schuy >New KR-2S builder in Japan. >E-mail mouse@heiwa.com > > > David Moore Turnkey1@MSComm.com Hesperia, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:27:52 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Gathering comments In a message dated 97-09-29 12:12:09 EDT, Steve wrote: << If someone wants to do the art work I can silk screen iron on transffers. I make the transffers each year for our vacation Bible School. I screen the black outline and the kids use the heat fusable paint to fill in the design. This would let you add your own color scheme and N number if you like. Price is right, free if we keep the numbers managable. >> Steve: Now you've gone and done it. You used the FREE word. I'll keep this post and start the trek down this road next spring. I think I can Badger Rob to do some custom art work for us. He made my Head Idiot T Shirt I had on at Perry and Mike's VW? Shirt. Randy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:30:16 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Japanese Saws & Perrykosh Tim: I just wanted to let you know that Mike moved the Saws at the Perrykosh Flymarket, plus KRNEt gave two away as door prizes at the Banquet. Thanks for your support. The funds collected for the saws went to the KRNet slush fund that was forwarded to Ross. Thanks for being such a trooper. We will consider your beer tab and KRNet subscription paid in full until Perrykosh 98. It is about the same time next year, around the 18/19 of Sept. Heck I even bought a saw. Too cool not to have my vewy own original! Randy Stein ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:28:18 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: Re: Neil Bingham's KR-2 On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:11:03 -0500, you wrote: >At 02:54 9/29/97 GMT, you wrote: > >>>http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm >>> >>>Brian J Bland >>>Claremore, OK >> >>It is now there go get it!! >> > >Enjoyed reading this piece, but > where's page 6? > >Regards >brian whatcott >Altus OK Sorry! There is no page 6! I wrote the programming for those web pages pretty fast and I just didn't notice that I did that. Brian J Bland Claremore, OK http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:32:17 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: Gathering comments On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:27:52 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >In a message dated 97-09-29 12:12:09 EDT, Steve wrote: > ><< If someone wants to do the art work I can silk screen iron on=20 > transffers. I make the transffers each year for our vacation Bible=20 > School. I screen the black outline and the kids use the heat fusable=20 > paint to fill in the design. This would let you add your own color=20 > scheme and N number if you like. >=20 > Price is right, free if we keep the numbers managable. >> > >Steve: > >Now you've gone and done it. You used the FREE word. I'll keep this = post >and start the trek down this road next spring. I think I can Badger Rob= to >do some custom art work for us. He made my Head Idiot T Shirt I had on = at >Perry and Mike's VW? Shirt. > >Randy Randy, If you need someone to do something at the Gathering next year put me down on the list. I would be glad to help out with anything. I will be there every day next year. Brian J Bland Claremore, OK http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:22:57 -0700 From: Troy Johnson Subject: KR: Here goes Okay Gang, Got on the krnet a couple weeks ago and have been quietly observing before hollering out and sticking my foot in my mouth. Already I have learned a lot of excellent tips and ideas and look forward to someday actually being able to put them to use. I purchased a set of 2S plans last year at the Copperstate fly-in from Jeanette, but still working on getting a suitable place to start building. It may get put on hold for a little longer as I may be relocating from sunny Mesa, AZ to sunny Irvine, CA. However I at least wanted to dip my big toe in and work my way up to the whole foot. Like Oscar, I have been eagerly sucking down down all the info I can off of the web. I am particularly interested in what modifications Mark Langford has been working with as well as his trials and tribulations. I am very interested in seeing how the airfoil he is using will perform. Okay, after all that, here is my question: What tools do most of you feel are an absolute must? My biggest concern is power tools and any specialty tools you guy's have found useful. I know I am probably beating a dead horse but this is all new for me. The only power tools I have are a dremel, years of r/c planes, and a 1/4" battery operated drill. I am trying to get a consensus of what is felt to be absolutely necessary, low budget building you know! Anyhow if you guys don't want to load up the net, please respond directly, I don't mind getting a leot of repetetive answers as that will tell me what is really needed. Last but not least, is anyone out there going to the Copperstate fly-in October 9-12. Last year there were 3 KR's there and of course I am hungry for more input. Thanks for letting me tie up bandwith, I promise none will be this long again, unless I have something worthwhile to contribute! ****************************************************************************** Troy A. Johnson Digital Integration/ Sharp Technical Support System Enhancement Center VADC - Phoenix, Az. (602)-416-2158 We should enjoy here while we are here because there is no here, there! **************************************************************************** *** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:36:37 -0700 From: Robert Covington Subject: KR: Re:Here goes >Okay Gang, > >Got on the krnet a couple weeks ago and have been quietly observing before >hollering out and sticking my foot in my mouth. > >Already I have learned a lot of excellent tips and ideas and look forward >to someday actually being able to put them to use. I purchased a set of 2S >plans last year at the Copperstate fly-in from Jeanette, but still working >on getting a suitable place to start building. > >It may get put on hold for a little longer as I may be relocating from >sunny Mesa, AZ to sunny Irvine, CA. However I at least wanted to dip my >big toe in and work my way up to the whole foot. Like Oscar, I have been >eagerly sucking down down all the info I can off of the web. I am >particularly interested in what modifications Mark Langford has been >working with as well as his trials and tribulations. I am very interested >in seeing how the airfoil he is using will perform. > >Okay, after all that, here is my question: What tools do most of you feel >are an absolute must? My biggest concern is power tools and any specialty >tools you guy's have found useful. I know I am probably beating a dead >horse but this is all new for me. The only power tools I have are a >dremel, years of r/c planes, and a 1/4" battery operated drill. >I am trying to get a consensus of what is felt to be absolutely necessary, >low budget building you know! > >Anyhow if you guys don't want to load up the net, please respond directly, >I don't mind getting a leot of repetetive answers as that will tell me what >is really needed. > >Last but not least, is anyone out there going to the Copperstate fly-in >October 9-12. Last year there were 3 KR's there and of course I am hungry >for more input. > >Thanks for letting me tie up bandwith, I promise none will be this long >again, unless I have something worthwhile to contribute! > >****************************************************************************** >Troy A. Johnson >Digital Integration/ Sharp Technical Support >System Enhancement Center >VADC - Phoenix, Az. (602)-416-2158 > >We should enjoy here while we are here because there is no here, there! >**************************************************************************** >*** Troy, Don't be shy about posting. I have found that a table saw is great to have. I have a Sears Craftsman, it was about $180. Great for cutting diagonal angles, and even gussets. I just got a Dremel Multi-Pro, and that will be very useful. You will need a drill, jigsaw, bandsaw will help a lot, and from Dan Diehl, one of the first builders of a KR-2 these items are a must or very helpful: a powered planer, and a good quality, big sized power sander with a flat bottom. Drill press is nice for some things. A lot of builders use an angle cutting miter saw from Jorgensen, about $40 from Home Depot, Home Base, etc. for gussets, and nowadays, the Japanese Pull Saw. In your plans near the front, there is a list of helpful tools, this list is a good guide to what you will need or can get by with. Hope this helps you some. I would get the table saw, then get started building and buy what you need as it becomes necessary along the way. Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:43:00 -0500 From: Jim Faughn Subject: KR: KR 2S project for sale I found out about this project and am going to pass it up. I thought someone out there might be interested. So I am forwarding his message to me to the net. Jim Faughn The list below describes you will get if you purchase the KR2S that I have for sale, along with approximate original cost of each item. Plans with KR2S supplement 220.00 Wood kit 550.00 Plywood kit 450.00 Wing attach fittings with hardware 221.00 Foam, 1 ea 2" X 4' X 8', 2 ea 1" X 4' X 8' 50.00 Stainless and fiberfrax for firewall 45.00 Aluminum brackets and hindges 110.00 Cleveland wheels/brakes, with tires, tubes, and axles 560.00 Cleveland master cylinders, fittings and brake lines 200.00 Diehl landing gear struts and castings 435.00 Nose gear with wheel, tire, tube, and axle 450.00 Engine mount for nose gear 200.00 Top deck composite kit with canopy and canopy frame 1700.00 Control cables with pulleys and turnbuckles 200.00 Type 4 engine case and heads 260.00 5651.00 The fuselage is in the boat stage with the plywood firewall installed, the tailpost installed, and the interior forward fuselage plywood floor and sides installed. The spars are completed and the main (inboard) spar has been drilled for the WAF. The top deck composite kit is from Rand Robinson and is very light weight because of the honeycomb construction. As you can see from the list of materials the $3500.00 I am asking is a bargain. Thanks Micheal Mims wrote: > I added a few pictures to the web site. Lets see,.... the engine, controls, > fuel tanks, and a few other pages have new pictures. So if your interested > check them out! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com > http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand > > \ / > \ _\/\/_ > / __/_//\\_\_____ > > F-117 > Having structural failure! M. Hartman Malcolm.Hartman@nbg.afres.af.mil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:29:45 -0500 From: robert k adams Subject: KR: kr-2 still for sale - --=====================_875586585==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" howdy knetters i would like to inform one and all that my kr-2 is still for sale and the price has been reduced to 9900, thats less than you can build one for and this one is equiped and flying. thanks bob adams the advertisement is attached to this note. - --=====================_875586585==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Kr-2.txt" kr-2 for sale standard tail dragger gear with wider footprint and heavier tailwheel bracket and tailwheel 227 total time engine & airframe h.a.p.i. 1835 vw with new cylinders, rings & pistons new june 1997 annual new paint job / new 15 gal aluminum header tank pressure fuel system with 2 fuel pumps, holly regulator and zenith carburator 20 amp alternator and elec starter panel mounted handheld com panel mounted intercom under panel mounted collins mode c transponder push to talk switch E.L.T. mounted behind seat new deep cycle battery with vented box located in western kentucky / price slashed from 11,000 to $9,900 / firm for more info and picture email bob adams < mistic@vci.net > or call < 502-443-8773 - --=====================_875586585==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" - --=====================_875586585==_-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:48:22 -0500 From: Jim Faughn Subject: Re: KR: KR 2S project for sale > The stuff from Mike Mims wasn't supposed to be in the post, sorry. His email > address is below. > > M. Hartman > Malcolm.Hartman@nbg.afres.af.mil - -- Jim Faughn N8931JF St. Louis, MO (314) 652-7659 or (573) 465-8039 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:58:40 -0500 From: John Roffey Subject: Re: KR: repost - Re:Whats "up ducts" Ross wrote: > > Wild Bill, > Say, it's great to weld stuff, but many KR builders are KR builders > due in part to a lack of this skill. My neighbor moved in and was > building a Teenie Two, and showed me how to weld. Now I've been > thinking that my NEXT airplane will be a tube and fabric KR. > > -- Ross > > Krwr1@aol.com wrote: > > > > Hay > > > > Why dont you weld what you need, that's what I did?? > > > > WildBill Not all builders Wild Bill. My title where I work is Master Maintenance Journeyman or MMJ. One of the skills necessary for this job is high pressure welding certification. I chose the KR2S so I could work with WOOD. I enjoy welding but it gets old sometimes. At this stage of life, when the eyes begin to fail, I only weld when I have to. Thought I might like the smell of glue instead. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:26:49 -0700 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: Here goes Troy Johnson wrote: > Okay Gang, > > Got on the krnet a couple weeks ago and have been quietly observing > before > hollering out and sticking my foot in my mouth. > > Already I have learned a lot of excellent tips and ideas and look > forward > to someday actually being able to put them to use. I purchased a set > of 2S > plans last year at the Copperstate fly-in from Jeanette, but still > working > on getting a suitable place to start building. > > It may get put on hold for a little longer as I may be relocating > from > sunny Mesa, AZ to sunny Irvine, CA. However I at least wanted to dip > my > big toe in and work my way up to the whole foot. Like Oscar, I have > been > eagerly sucking down down all the info I can off of the web. I am > particularly interested in what modifications Mark Langford has been > working with as well as his trials and tribulations. I am very > interested > in seeing how the airfoil he is using will perform. > > Okay, after all that, here is my question: What tools do most of you > feel > are an absolute must? My biggest concern is power tools and any > specialty > tools you guy's have found useful. I know I am probably beating a > dead > horse but this is all new for me. The only power tools I have are a > dremel, years of r/c planes, and a 1/4" battery operated drill. > I am trying to get a consensus of what is felt to be absolutely > necessary, > low budget building you know! > > Anyhow if you guys don't want to load up the net, please respond > directly, > I don't mind getting a leot of repetetive answers as that will tell me > what > is really needed. > > Last but not least, is anyone out there going to the Copperstate > fly-in > October 9-12. Last year there were 3 KR's there and of course I am > hungry > for more input. > > Thanks for letting me tie up bandwith, I promise none will be this > long > again, unless I have something worthwhile to contribute! > > ******************************************************** > ********************* > Troy A. Johnson > Digital Integration/ Sharp Technical Support > System Enhancement Center > VADC - Phoenix, Az. (602)-416-2158 > > We should enjoy here while we are here because there is no here, > there! > ****** > ********************************************************************* > *** Troy I have the same questions about power tools. I am in the looking around mode of looking for power tools and not really sure which ones to buy. I bought a set of KR-2S plans, I think, about four months ago and waiting and wanting to get the garage cleaned out too. John F. Esch Salem, OR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:34:24 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: KR:Test Just a little test. Brian J. Bland Claremore, OK Building Stretched, Widened KR-2S bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:13:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Krwr1@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: repost - Re:Whats "up ducts" Hay ,,, WildBill here Ya,I know what you mean,, I'm not much of a welder eather,, It sure woulden't pass any test.. But I did all my intake and exhaust my self. After making a few , they turned OK. When building a KR,, you end up learning to do a lot of things. That's what so great about homebuilding.. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:25:19 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Here goes At 02:22 PM 9/29/97 -0700, you wrote: > > >Okay Gang, > >Got on the krnet a couple weeks ago and have been quietly observing before hollering out and sticking my foot in my mouth. > >It may get put on hold for a little longer as I may be relocating from >sunny Mesa, AZ to sunny Irvine, CA. Well we would be neighbors then! Hot Dang another KRnetter in Irvine! AS far as power tools go, I borrowed a tablesaw for cutting my spars, I have access to a drill press, grinder, and I own the following, electric drill (I hate rechargeables), electric jig saw, small table belt type sander and that's it. I have built a huge percentage of my project with hand tools to this point. I don't think you need to run out and spend thousands of dollars at Home Base (would be fun though) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand \ / \ _\/\/_ / __/_//\\_\_____ F-117 Having structural failure! ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #107 *****************************