From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 1997 7:05 AM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n114' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #114 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Sunday, October 5 1997 Volume 01 : Number 114 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 21:58:35 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Terra avionics At 22:02 97/10/04 -0500, you wrote: >Rossy wrote: > >> I was wondering if anyone out there in KRNET land has >> Terra Avionics. > >I don't have them yet, but plan to because you can get com and transponder >in the same panel space as most coms. The downside is that the tray >requires something like 14.25" of clearance behind the panel, so be >prepared. > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >email at langford@hiwaay.net >KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford I was chatting with another pilot last week about Trimble/Terra avionics and he stated that deliveries are non-existant. Unconfirmed rumor. Ron Lee PS. If true, it may be associated with a move of Terra to Austin TX which could clear up before the year 2000. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 22:27:34 -0600 From: "Jeb" Subject: Re: KR: 1997 Gathering Photos Nice job on your page - Alastair Welcome to the web-page maintainer club front deck is about done and I start building my header tank tomorrow, tubing, fittings, shutoff valve on order. John Bryhan jeb@thuntek.net // www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm Los Alamos, NM - ---------- > From: Al Hawkins > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: 1997 Gathering Photos > Date: Friday, October 04, 1996 6:01 PM > > I finally got around to writing a web page, it is not much ,just pictures from the > 1997 gathering. > > Alastair Hawkins > Port Coquitlam, B.C. > Canada > > goto http://members.tripod.com/~Alastair_H/index.html > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 22:02:57 -0700 From: Ross Subject: KR: Re: Terra avionics Mark, I hope it's ok to post this to KRNET too. Thanks for the info regarding tray depth. I think I planned for this depth when I built my header tank, I will have to double check. I was pretty careful, but who knows. The take at the local EAA chapter is that having a Xponder is a good idea, you don't have to stay away from class C airspace, and flight following can see you. Some even commented that composite aircraft don't always show up on radar, so a transponder helps you be seen. The Terra transponder is about $1400 with the encoder, which I consider to be a great buy due to it's light weight and 300-400ma current consumption. The VW alternator doesn't put out much, and the Terra could even run off a 12V battery if you didn't have an electrical system. Refurbished units (King 76A/Narco xx50) run about $760 and are larger, heaver and require much more current (?>1A) to operate. I think the new ones are about the same price as the Terra, but they still don't seem to compete on weight and power consumption. Regarding radios... many folks say that a handheld radio is a great way to go... however, I'm thinking a panel mount Terra would be cool what with the built in intercom and all... but who will be flying with me. -- Ross Mark Langford wrote: > > Rossy wrote: > > > I was wondering if anyone out there in KRNET land has > > Terra Avionics. > > I don't have them yet, but plan to. The downside is that the tray requires > something like 14.25" of clearance behind the panel, so be prepared. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > email at langford@hiwaay.net > KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 22:03:18 -0700 From: Ross Subject: KR: [Fwd: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Non-member submission from [taildrag@juno.com (Oscar J. Zuniga, Jr.)]] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------C4C78409B6C674A0891AE40D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------C4C78409B6C674A0891AE40D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: owner-krnet-l@lists.teleport.com Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id TAA25983; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 19:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 19:33:03 -0700 (PDT) From: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199710050233.TAA25983@smtp2.teleport.com> To: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Non-member submission from [taildrag@juno.com (Oscar J. Zuniga, Jr.)] >From krnet-l-owner Sat Oct 4 19:33:00 1997 Received: from m13.boston.juno.com (m13.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.193]) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA25965 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 19:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from taildrag@juno.com) by m13.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id WLS00896; Sat, 04 Oct 1997 22:31:49 EDT To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 19:30:13 -0700 Subject: Re: Facts Message-ID: <19971004.193014.15806.1.taildrag@juno.com> References: <19971003.062623.14670.0.taildrag@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-34 From: taildrag@juno.com (Oscar J. Zuniga, Jr.) On Fri, 3 Oct 1997 06:26:00 -0700 taildrag writes: >Just had to do this. Here are a few items from catching up on my >reading (been reading too much KRNet archives, and have let other >stuff pile up): > >1. From this month's PC Magazine; the American Psychological >Association says that people who spend more than 38 hours a week >participating in newsgroups, chatting, or sending e-mail may be at >risk of developing an addiction-- dubbed Pathological Internet Use. >(I'm not making this up). Says that for some dependents, the craving >to go online is similar to the craving that smokers have for >cigarettes. > >Not me! No sir! I can quit anytime I want. > >2. From Sept. AOPA Pilot; headline: "Cessna Steals the Show at >Oshkosh. By far, the biggest news at the EAA Fly-In and Convention >was the pricing of the reintroduced Cessna 206 Stationair." $289,900 >for the IFR/normally aspirated; $324,900 for the Turbo. Am I missing >something here? I didn't go to Oshkosh, but any of you who did- was >this by far the biggest news there? Don't get me wrong, guys; I've >been a member of AOPA since 1971, but somebody seems to be eating at >Cessna's table here. > >3. From Oct. AOPA Pilot, "Launching Columbia": the new production >Lancair, VFR, lists at $185,000. IFR- $205,000. > >My conclusion: KR people are bottom feeders. Scavengers. For the >price of ONE T-206, a guy could build and equip at least TEN KRs! I >guess that's why I'm here right now and not out preflighting my T-206 >or Lancair Columbia...? > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon - --------------C4C78409B6C674A0891AE40D-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 22:17:56 -0700 From: Ross Subject: KR: EAA "Snobbery" Well, I joined the EAA to get Sport Aviation so I could look at ADs and get that discount on my Oshkosh admission (I've never gone). I went to a couple of chapter meetings in Mesa,Az (Falcon Field), and never joined up with the chapter there, I was too busy. One of the Chapter members said that there were two kinds of EAA members, those who were building, and those who went to the chapter meetings. He may have had a point. But there was a KR owner in the group and I got to see my first KR up close for the first time... even touch it. I had to force myself to call and get that first Technical counselor visit. It was difficult to invite someone over to look at my messy garage and see if the pile of sticks in my garage would ever have the possiblity of being airworthy. Lucky for me the gentleman was familiar with building wooden aircraft. There is a kind of aircraft "snobbery" out there in a way. I just ignore it and move on, there are several ways to divide homebuilders, RV builders vs non RV builders, Kitbuilt vs scratchbuilt, AC powerplant vs Auto Powerplant, VW vs V8... I don't know where I'm going with this so I'm going to change the subject. I kinda "fell" into an EAA chapter here locally after hooking up with a couple of RV builders who responded to my newsgroup posting for starting up a local chapter. I ended up meeting some great people who fly airplanes. We chatted about starting a local EAA chapter, and now I'm the President. Talk about falling into somthing. What would the world say if a KR builder was discovered as an EAA chapter president? I just came from our October meeting, we had a really small turnout, and well, it's a lot of work for me to go and set things up just to chat about airplanes. I don't know if it's worth the effort really, but the nice thing is there are 40+ people out here in the middle of a rainy Oregon valley who understand what it's like to sit in the garage and make airplane noises. Even if they all don't show up at the meetings or think I'm nuts for wanting to actually fly mine, the Brrrrr sound they understand. I think everyone should go out in their garage and make Brrr sounds or whatever sounds work the best. If you don't have a KR sit in a small cardboard box, the effect is similar. -- Ross (I don't really know why I wrote this email... and don't really want to find out either) Jeffrey E Scott wrote: > > On Sat, 04 Oct 1997 21:40:43 -0700 Donald Reid > writes: > >Micheal Mims wrote: > > > >> I am not a member of the EAA or any EAA chapter for that matter > >> and don't plan to be in the near future. My experience with EAA > members > >> around here hasnt been all that positive, we have a problem with > "homebuilt > >> snobs" that's is to say, if you are not building a Glasair, RV, or > Lancair > >> 4P then you are nothing more than a piece of scum building a toy that > will > >> surely kill you. Ask Robert Covington, he has to deal with it every > time he > >> tries to work on his project. > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> Micheal Mims > > > >You must live in an upscale neighborhood. I belong to two chapters and > we have > >a full range of types; some that would not build a plane under any > >circumstances, to ultralights, to Glassairs. My experience with EAA has > been > >great. > >-- > >Don Reid > >mailto:donreid@erols.com > > > JEB expressed some similar sentiments about his former chapter in Austin. > Must be a problem with big cities where you tend to have alot of big $$$ > airplane builders. They will be snobs regardless of what they do. I > think I can safely say that the experience in smaller chapters is just > the opposite. There was a great deal of excitement when David Roe > finished his Hummelbird a couple of years ago and more of the same when I > flew my KR this year. We will also celebrate getting a Glassair IITD's > first flight this month, an Avid probably next month, and possibly a > Long-Eze the following month. Ours is a small chapter, but there is > currently lots of building activity and Kudos all around to anyone that > is working on anything that might fly someday. Wouldn't matter if it's a > Lancair IVP, an Ultralight, or a new cover job on an old Aeronca or Cub. > We like 'em all and see each project as the opportunity to learn. > > I feel bad for those of you that avoid the EAA because ot some snobbish > EAA members. You are missing out on a lot. Even if you are not an EAA > chapter member, you can still use the services of EAA Tech Counselors or > Flight Advisors. They are worthwhile services with your safety as the > goal. > > BTW, I participate in EAA because I love aviation and > airplanes, NOT because I like organizations. The EAA chapters are > supposed to be there to support the homebuilders, although I question the > direction I see the EAA going as whole. It is an interesting contrast to > read through a copy of Sport Avaition from thirty years ago, then compare > it to a copy from this year. Today the emphasis is on warbirds, big $$$ > high performance airplanes, and anything that resembles a P-51. There is > little emphasis on the grass roots of sport aviation which is those > building on a budget. Organizations like KRNet are starting to fill that > void. > > Jeff Scott > Chapter 691 VP, Tech Counselor, Flight Advisor. > ------- > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > jscott.pilot@juno.com > See N1213W construction and first flight at > http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: > //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 22:18:30 -0700 From: Ross Subject: KR: [Fwd: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Non-member submission from [rmccall ] Admin request of type /^\s*get\s+\S+\s+\S+\s*$/i at li] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------4A78BBBEBDD0DE88B242C4CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------4A78BBBEBDD0DE88B242C4CD Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: owner-krnet-l@lists.teleport.com Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp3.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id UAA08279; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 20:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 20:00:29 -0700 (PDT) From: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199710050300.UAA08279@smtp3.teleport.com> To: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Non-member submission from [rmccall ] Admin request of type /^\s*get\s+\S+\s+\S+\s*$/i at line 3 >From krnet-l-owner Sat Oct 4 20:00:26 1997 Received: from oz2 ([208.149.58.1]) by smtp3.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA08262 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 20:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oz-online.net (s66.oz-online.net [208.149.58.76]) by oz2 (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA16124 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 22:01:55 -0500 Message-ID: <3437037C.4BF676BE@oz-online.net> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 22:03:25 -0500 From: rmccall X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: Re: KR: 97 Gathering page References: <1.5.4.32.19970930004700.00673614@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, great Bobby! I must have missed this message the time around. Would definitely like ot have a copy of all the drawings. What do I have to do to get a copy? Rich McCall 1518 Holly Lane Junction City, KS 66441 Bobby Muse wrote: > At 02:10 PM 9/27/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Rich MCCall wrote: > > > >> Mark, have you got a copy of the DeFreeze gear set up you could send me? > > > >Rich, I don't have the actual plans, but I think the gist of it was > >published in an ancient Newsletter. I'll try to dig it up and let you > >borrow it for a while. Didn't DeFreeze pack it in later on? If so, those > >plans just got a lot harder to locate! But maybe an ad in the Newsletter > >would turn up something. > > > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > >email at langford@hiwaay.net > >KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > I have all of the drawings, handed down to me from Herb Bull and Bill > DeFreezs. Herb flew with the gear for several years and I flew with it for > two years. It was great. > > Contact me directly if you still want to discuss the gear. > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX - --------------4A78BBBEBDD0DE88B242C4CD-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 22:31:06 -0700 From: Ross Subject: KR: [Fwd: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Non-member submission from [rmccall ]] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------A36B5302CD8ADBFAB27A77AA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm forwarding this one... sorry Rich. - --------------A36B5302CD8ADBFAB27A77AA Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: owner-krnet-l@lists.teleport.com Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id UAA08409; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 20:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 20:26:03 -0700 (PDT) From: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199710050326.UAA08409@smtp2.teleport.com> To: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Non-member submission from [rmccall ] >From krnet-l-owner Sat Oct 4 20:25:59 1997 Received: from oz2 ([208.149.58.1]) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA08382 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 20:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oz-online.net (s66.oz-online.net [208.149.58.76]) by oz2 (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA16983 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 22:27:27 -0500 Message-ID: <34370978.5FDA737B@oz-online.net> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 22:28:57 -0500 From: rmccall X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: Re: KR: DeFreze Retract System References: <1.5.4.32.19970930004700.00673614@pop.mindspring.com> <343129C0.5E7A@cuug.ab.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Adrian. Wanta do a home page for me? I'm just getting into this and haven't yet acquired the know-how to do a page. Had my first ride in a KR2 at the fly-in in Perry. How did you learn to fly the KR, as sensitive as they are? Not at all like my old Piper Cherokee that I sold in Europe! Rich McCall Junction City, KS Adrian Carter wrote: > Bobby Muse wrote: > > > > At 02:10 PM 9/27/97 -0500, you wrote: > > >Rich MCCall wrote: > > > > > >> Mark, have you got a copy of the DeFreeze gear set up you could send me? > > > > > >Rich, I don't have the actual plans, but I think the gist of it was > > >published in an ancient Newsletter. I'll try to dig it up and let you > > >borrow it for a while. Didn't DeFreeze pack it in later on? If so, those > > >plans just got a lot harder to locate! But maybe an ad in the Newsletter > > >would turn up something. > > > > > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > >email at langford@hiwaay.net > > >KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > > > I have all of the drawings, handed down to me from Herb Bull and Bill > > DeFreezs. Herb flew with the gear for several years and I flew with it for > > two years. It was great. > > > > Contact me directly if you still want to discuss the gear. > > > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > > bmuse@mindspring.com > > Wimberly, TX > Rich, > If you take a look at my construction pages(const2.html) you will > see the Bill DeFreze gear setup that I used. It came out of the > Jan 77 #19 Kr Newsletter in conjunction with the Nov 77 #29 Newletter. > Never had any problems with it and have landed in some pretty rough > fields. It was designed by Charles Wells and drawn by Bill DeFreze. > Mark! twenty years is ancient???? hihi. Unfortunately, I do not have > a scanner or would get it up on my website. Am sure with helpful guys > like Mark and Bobby, you will know all about the Charlie Wells pinlock > retract system. It's a good one. Sorry that I can't be of more help. > -- > Adrian VE6AFY > cartera@cuug.ab.ca > http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera - --------------A36B5302CD8ADBFAB27A77AA-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 22:31:24 -0700 From: Ross Subject: KR: [Fwd: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Non-member submission from [rmccall ]] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------F7F60995185F2F888FE7EB3D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------F7F60995185F2F888FE7EB3D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: owner-krnet-l@lists.teleport.com Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id UAA09502; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 20:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 20:31:26 -0700 (PDT) From: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199710050331.UAA09502@smtp2.teleport.com> To: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Non-member submission from [rmccall ] >From krnet-l-owner Sat Oct 4 20:31:23 1997 Received: from oz2 ([208.149.58.1]) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA09481 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 20:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oz-online.net (s66.oz-online.net [208.149.58.76]) by oz2 (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA17089 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 22:32:54 -0500 Message-ID: <34370ABF.102B97D2@oz-online.net> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 22:34:24 -0500 From: rmccall X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: Re: KR: In Disguise? References: <1.5.4.32.19970927122813.00688d4c@chipsnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Drop a line to him in the KR Newsletter. He's at the Denton airport, next to the publisher. Rich McCall Junction City, KS Ed Janssen wrote: > Anybody else notice that Randy Smith's KR-2 sure looked an awful lot like > Neil Bingham's KR-2 that was pictured in Sport Aviation some years back when > Neil offered an analysis of the KR-2 design? Don't have Randy's address or > I would write him direct. > > Ed Janssen - --------------F7F60995185F2F888FE7EB3D-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 22:31:54 -0700 From: Ross Subject: KR: [Fwd: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Non-member submission from [rmccall ]] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------967E2C6429B05487169DFB9C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------967E2C6429B05487169DFB9C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: owner-krnet-l@lists.teleport.com Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id UAA10911; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 20:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 20:56:40 -0700 (PDT) From: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199710050356.UAA10911@smtp1.teleport.com> To: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Non-member submission from [rmccall ] >From krnet-l-owner Sat Oct 4 20:56:38 1997 Received: from oz2 ([208.149.58.1]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA10904 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 20:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oz-online.net (s66.oz-online.net [208.149.58.76]) by oz2 (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA17525 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 22:58:10 -0500 Message-ID: <343710AB.24CD6F5@oz-online.net> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 22:59:40 -0500 From: rmccall X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: Re: KR: 97 Gathering page References: <3.0.2.32.19970927235508.00693e04@ican.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dennis. My fax number is (913) 239-4724. Thanks in advance for the information. Rich McCall Junction City, KS dennis ambrose wrote: > At 02:10 PM 9/27/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Rich MCCall wrote: > > > >> Mark, have you got a copy of the DeFreeze gear set up you could send me? > > > >Rich, I don't have the actual plans, but I think the gist of it was > >published in an ancient Newsletter. I'll try to dig it up and let you > >borrow it for a while. Didn't DeFreeze pack it in later on? If so, those > >plans just got a lot harder to locate! But maybe an ad in the Newsletter > >would turn up something. > > > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > >email at langford@hiwaay.net > >KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > I have a line drawing picture of it from an add in an old news letter I > could fax you. It may give you enough info to copy it. Just give me your > fax number if you have one. Sorry I can't scan it. > > Regards Dennis (in Toronto) - --------------967E2C6429B05487169DFB9C-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 22:33:46 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Terra avionics Ron Lee wrote: > > At 22:02 97/10/04 -0500, you wrote: > >Rossy wrote: > > > >> I was wondering if anyone out there in KRNET land has > >> Terra Avionics. > > > >I don't have them yet, but plan to because you can get com and transponder > >in the same panel space as most coms. The downside is that the tray > >requires something like 14.25" of clearance behind the panel, so be > >prepared. > > > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > >email at langford@hiwaay.net > >KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > > I was chatting with another pilot last week about Trimble/Terra avionics > and he stated that deliveries are non-existant. Unconfirmed rumor. > > Ron Lee > > PS. If true, it may be associated with a move of Terra to Austin TX which > could clear up before the year 2000. > > I heard from one source that they did not have them "in stock", and there was a hint of a problem, another supplier seemed to have them in stock. I will discover for sure next week when I attempt to lay my grubby hands on some. -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Oct 97 06:40:28 GMT From: mathewrz@iafrica.com (Rob Matthews) Subject: Re: KR: KRnet subscriber lost On 4/10/97 11:48PM, in message <3436B992.BEA17F75@teleport.com>, Ross wrote: > I will add him back in. > -- Ross > > Rob Matthews wrote: > > > > Hi Ross > > There is a krnet subscriber called Steve Boshoff whom seems to have been > > dropped from the krnet group. He contacted me to ask if the krnet was still > > functioning. Please could you check to see if he is on the list still or if > he > > is off so we can decide if he must try to join again. His email address is > > steveb@aviation.denel.co.za. > > Many thanks > > -- > > Rob Matthews Have a nice day > > South Africa > > email mathewrz@iafrica.com > Hi Ross Many thanks for this. - -- Rob Matthews Have a nice day South Africa email mathewrz@iafrica.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 01:35:10 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: IGNORE THIS KRNET Account Test This is a test of the new krnet email account. Don't expect any email responses from the new address until I've moved the website and set some more stuff up. The account was just opened today... so I'm testing the send/receive capability of the mailer. -- Ross mailto:rossy@teleport.com -- Current KRNET admin address mailto:krnet@teleport.com -- Future KRNET admin address ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 04:32:13 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: EAA Membership >> I am not a member of the EAA or any EAA chapter for that matter >> and don't plan to be in the near future. My experience with EAA members >> around here hasnt been all that positive... Micheal Mims >You must live in an upscale neighborhood. I belong to two chapters... My >experience with EAA has been great. Don Reid Me too. While most of the guys in my Chapter was "wannabee" builders or pilots, the rest are very helpful fellows who are always tinkering with some part of an airplane or are out flying their creations. I've found my local Chapter to be composed of friendly and helpful guys ('specially when there's a "special" tool I need to borrow for a few days), but I've not found the National EAA group to be of any value to me or anyone else (except for the magazine). By the way, most of the guys in my Chapter are EZ, KR, and Antique types (plus one RV-6 fellow). Not one Glassair or Lanceair in the bunch. Oh, there is this one guy building a Falco. Man, talk about a hard project! Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 08:02:13 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR: EAA "Snobbery" At 10:17 PM 10/4/97 -0700, you wrote: >Well, > I joined the EAA to get Sport Aviation so I could look at ADs and >get that discount on my Oshkosh admission (I've never gone). I went >to a couple of chapter meetings in Mesa,Az (Falcon Field), and never >joined up with the chapter there, I was too busy. One of the Chapter >members said that there were two kinds of EAA members, those who were >building, and those who went to the chapter meetings. He may have had a >point. But there was a KR owner in the group and I got to see my first >KR up close for the first time... even touch it. > -- Ross I belong to 3 different EAA chapters - not because I "love" EAA in particular nor do I consider myself a "joiner". Also belong to an ultralight group not affiliated with EAA. I don't particularly like organizations and meetings as I had my fill when I was teaching. What I DO enjoy most is being around anything that flys and the people who build/fly them. There are lots of personalities out there to choose for my friends and to have fun with, but I nevertheless learn a lot from those that spike your blood pressure every time they speak. As a result, I guess I wouldn't generally categorize EAA or any other aviation organization as a "snob" group. The members in your particular locale make the real difference. Well, gotta go - there's another fly-in breakfast a few miles from my house this morning. Pancakes, sausage and airplanes - what a breakfast "combo"! Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 06:26:39 -0700 From: "John Bouyea" Subject: KR: Re: EAA "Snobbery" I think I know why you wrote this email; you must have visited the Portland chapter meeting; Dick Van Grunsven is a member there. I understand that the RV is a great airplane, but it is not the ONLY airplane. I've introduced myself at that chapter. I had the same response. Someone actually asked why it would want to want to make a pile of sticks when I could build an airplane instead. I'm lucky enough to have another chapter in town. The reception at that chapter was entirely different. Those people wanted to actually look at the plans... Ross, what I'm trying to say is what I think you're trying to say. If anyone on this list hasn't visited their "local" chapter(s), make the effort to do it folks! You may get a bad impression and feel like you've wasted a night where you would have made progress on your project. OTOH, you might might up with some people close by who have an interest in what you're doing and are willing to extend assistance when you need it most. This lists constantly amazes me with the instant response I get whenever I post a question. I always get well thought out ideas that I can pursue to solve whatever problem is facing me. Thanks! What members from the the local chapter can do is come over and help do inspections with you, mix epoxy while doing those big layups, or maybe just help to flip over the boat when you need acces to the other side. Heck, by visiting your local chapter you may just meet another "Internet - -challenged" KR driver/ builder who doesn't even know you live in the same town... Good luck folks! John Bouyea johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net kr2s - gluing the gussets in the belly Hillsboro, Oregon - ---------- > From: Ross > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: EAA "Snobbery" > Date: Saturday, October 04, 1997 10:17 PM > > Well, > I joined the EAA to get Sport Aviation so I could look at ADs and > get that discount on my Oshkosh admission (I've never gone). I went > to a couple of chapter meetings in Mesa,Az (Falcon Field), and never > joined up with the chapter there, I was too busy. One of the Chapter > members said that there were two kinds of EAA members, those who were > building, and those who went to the chapter meetings. He may have had a > point. But there was a KR owner in the group and I got to see my first > KR up close for the first time... even touch it. > I had to force myself to call and get that first Technical counselor > visit. It was difficult to invite someone over to look at my messy > garage and see if the pile of sticks in my garage would ever have the > possiblity of being airworthy. Lucky for me the gentleman was familiar > with building wooden aircraft. > There is a kind of aircraft "snobbery" out there in a way. I just > ignore it and move on, there are several ways to divide homebuilders, > RV builders vs non RV builders, Kitbuilt vs scratchbuilt, AC powerplant > vs Auto Powerplant, VW vs V8... I don't know where I'm going with this > so I'm going to change the subject. > I kinda "fell" into an EAA chapter here locally after hooking up > with a couple of RV builders who responded to my newsgroup posting for > starting up a local chapter. I ended up meeting some great people who > fly airplanes. We chatted about starting a local EAA chapter, and now > I'm the President. Talk about falling into somthing. What would the > world say if a KR builder was discovered as an EAA chapter president? > I just came from our October meeting, we had a really small turnout, > and well, it's a lot of work for me to go and set things up just to > chat about airplanes. I don't know if it's worth the effort really, > but the nice thing is there are 40+ people out here in the middle of > a rainy Oregon valley who understand what it's like to sit in the > garage and make airplane noises. Even if they all don't show up at > the meetings or think I'm nuts for wanting to actually fly mine, the > Brrrrr sound they understand. > I think everyone should go out in their garage and make Brrr sounds > or whatever sounds work the best. If you don't have a KR sit in a > small cardboard box, the effect is similar. > > -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 08:49:22 -0600 From: John Bryhan Subject: KR: Test I'm just testing this disregard Playing with Eudora at work... John bryhan@lanl.gov or jeb@thuntek.net www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 12:36:56 -0600 From: Robert Lasecki Subject: KR: counterbalances I have seen much discussion regarding counterbalancing the elevator and the aileron counterbalancing is includedin the plans. Is anyone doing any counterbalancing of the rudder? I had a chance to get an up-close look at a newly finished Glasair this past week. Two 3-inch binders of plans in excellent detail and tales of unlimited EXCELLENT factory support. Must be nice. The rudder is counterbalanced at the top. Also, there were tales of extreme pitch sensitivity so the bird was lengthened to the model 2 and springs were added to the stick to increase the force when it was at other than neutral as part of the basic design. Quite an elaborate setup. I was surprised to hear that ALL exterior surfaces were 6 ply glass. No wonder it is heavy. Sure does fly nice though. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 13:32:43 -0700 From: Ted & Louisa Jones Subject: KR: EAA Soapbox Jeffrey E Scott wrote: > > BTW, I participate in EAA because I love aviation and > airplanes, NOT because I like organizations. The EAA chapters are > supposed to be there to support the homebuilders, although I question the > direction I see the EAA going as whole. It is an interesting contrast to > read through a copy of Sport Avaition from thirty years ago, then compare > it to a copy from this year. Today the emphasis is on warbirds, big $$$ > high performance airplanes, and anything that resembles a P-51. There is > little emphasis on the grass roots of sport aviation which is those > building on a budget. Organizations like KRNet are starting to fill that > void. > As a peripheral aviator/might-be experimental airplane builder, I am finding less and less in Sport Aviation of interest. I don't mind the warbirds (a little) or the air racers (a little less), but I do mind spending 35 bucks for a magazine (I don't avail myself of the other benefits) which spends so much of its editorial pages sounding its own horn. Hey, we joined, we know why we joined. We don't need to read about the wonders of EAA in every other page at the expense of nuts and bolts reports, R&D, and the just plain joy of flying. Now that Tony's articles are gone, there's not much I enjoy reading. I disagree with the recent comments critical of Kitplanes. Every issue cannot contain information particularly useful to KRs or RVs or whatever, the market for the magazine is too broad. Be thankful that there is Kitplanes, and when you have a beef, send an e-mail to Dave Martin. As a long-time boating magazine editor, I can assure you that grass roots input is vital to the success of any special interest magazine, and the editor who doesn't listen to his constituents will soon find that he has a) no job, or b) no magazine. Dave is a personal friend (we've written for each other's magazines) and I know he'd like to see the recent comments that have appeared on KRnet-l. Ted (stepping down from the soapbox) Jones (Still in New Hampshire) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 15:05:32 -0700 From: Ted & Louisa Jones Subject: Re: KR: EAA "Snobbery" My experience has been that pilots in general tend to be snobbish until they find out that you are one of them -- especially, when they find out that you have more hours and higher ratings than they do -- ;o), but it's too bad when this gets in the way of genuine communication. If we communicate as Ross has done, we may have an influence in keeping EAA on the right track, and let's not forget that we'd all be doing something else if it weren't for the continuing support and proselytizing of the EAA. No apology necessary, Ross. Ted Jones (in Cow Hampsha) Ross wrote: > > Well, > I joined the EAA to get Sport Aviation so I could look at ADs and > get that discount on my Oshkosh admission (I've never gone). I went > to a couple of chapter meetings in Mesa,Az (Falcon Field), and never > joined up with the chapter there, I was too busy. One of the Chapter > members said that there were two kinds of EAA members, those who were > building, and those who went to the chapter meetings. He may have had a > point. But there was a KR owner in the group and I got to see my first > KR up close for the first time... even touch it. > I had to force myself to call and get that first Technical counselor > visit. It was difficult to invite someone over to look at my messy > garage and see if the pile of sticks in my garage would ever have the > possiblity of being airworthy. Lucky for me the gentleman was familiar > with building wooden aircraft. > There is a kind of aircraft "snobbery" out there in a way. I just > ignore it and move on, there are several ways to divide homebuilders, > RV builders vs non RV builders, Kitbuilt vs scratchbuilt, AC powerplant > vs Auto Powerplant, VW vs V8... I don't know where I'm going with this > so I'm going to change the subject. > I kinda "fell" into an EAA chapter here locally after hooking up > with a couple of RV builders who responded to my newsgroup posting for > starting up a local chapter. I ended up meeting some great people who > fly airplanes. We chatted about starting a local EAA chapter, and now > I'm the President. Talk about falling into somthing. What would the > world say if a KR builder was discovered as an EAA chapter president? > I just came from our October meeting, we had a really small turnout, > and well, it's a lot of work for me to go and set things up just to > chat about airplanes. I don't know if it's worth the effort really, > but the nice thing is there are 40+ people out here in the middle of > a rainy Oregon valley who understand what it's like to sit in the > garage and make airplane noises. Even if they all don't show up at > the meetings or think I'm nuts for wanting to actually fly mine, the > Brrrrr sound they understand. > I think everyone should go out in their garage and make Brrr sounds > or whatever sounds work the best. If you don't have a KR sit in a > small cardboard box, the effect is similar. > > -- Ross > (I don't really know why I wrote this email... and don't really > want to find out either) > > Jeffrey E Scott wrote: > > > > On Sat, 04 Oct 1997 21:40:43 -0700 Donald Reid > > writes: > > >Micheal Mims wrote: > > > > > >> I am not a member of the EAA or any EAA chapter for that matter > > >> and don't plan to be in the near future. My experience with EAA > > members > > >> around here hasnt been all that positive, we have a problem with > > "homebuilt > > >> snobs" that's is to say, if you are not building a Glasair, RV, or > > Lancair > > >> 4P then you are nothing more than a piece of scum building a toy that > > will > > >> surely kill you. Ask Robert Covington, he has to deal with it every > > time he > > >> tries to work on his project. > > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >> Micheal Mims > > > > > >You must live in an upscale neighborhood. I belong to two chapters and > > we have > > >a full range of types; some that would not build a plane under any > > >circumstances, to ultralights, to Glassairs. My experience with EAA has > > been > > >great. > > >-- > > >Don Reid > > >mailto:donreid@erols.com > > > > > JEB expressed some similar sentiments about his former chapter in Austin. > > Must be a problem with big cities where you tend to have alot of big $$$ > > airplane builders. They will be snobs regardless of what they do. I > > think I can safely say that the experience in smaller chapters is just > > the opposite. There was a great deal of excitement when David Roe > > finished his Hummelbird a couple of years ago and more of the same when I > > flew my KR this year. We will also celebrate getting a Glassair IITD's > > first flight this month, an Avid probably next month, and possibly a > > Long-Eze the following month. Ours is a small chapter, but there is > > currently lots of building activity and Kudos all around to anyone that > > is working on anything that might fly someday. Wouldn't matter if it's a > > Lancair IVP, an Ultralight, or a new cover job on an old Aeronca or Cub. > > We like 'em all and see each project as the opportunity to learn. > > > > I feel bad for those of you that avoid the EAA because ot some snobbish > > EAA members. You are missing out on a lot. Even if you are not an EAA > > chapter member, you can still use the services of EAA Tech Counselors or > > Flight Advisors. They are worthwhile services with your safety as the > > goal. > > > > BTW, I participate in EAA because I love aviation and > > airplanes, NOT because I like organizations. The EAA chapters are > > supposed to be there to support the homebuilders, although I question the > > direction I see the EAA going as whole. It is an interesting contrast to > > read through a copy of Sport Avaition from thirty years ago, then compare > > it to a copy from this year. Today the emphasis is on warbirds, big $$$ > > high performance airplanes, and anything that resembles a P-51. There is > > little emphasis on the grass roots of sport aviation which is those > > building on a budget. Organizations like KRNet are starting to fill that > > void. > > > > Jeff Scott > > Chapter 691 VP, Tech Counselor, Flight Advisor. > > ------- > > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > > jscott.pilot@juno.com > > See N1213W construction and first flight at > > http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: > > //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #114 *****************************