From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, December 08, 1997 2:03 PM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n116' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #116 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Tuesday, October 7 1997 Volume 01 : Number 116 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 17:27:55 -0700 From: Donald Reid Subject: KR: Web page help request This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------11FA615573BE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I figured out my web page problem. I saved most of the files with upper case name and referenced them with lower case. The home page works, but nothing else does yet. I was talking through the problem with my wife and noticed the cause. Now she thinks that she provided the solution. Well, you can't live with them and you can't kill them. The web page will be on line soon. - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm - --------------11FA615573BE Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="kr_page.htm" Don Reid's KR-2XL

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- --------------11FA615573BE-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:02:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Geo2late@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: EAA >Oscar Zuniga Wrote >I have a touchy subject for next time (2-strokes). Gotta get my >information together first, though. >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon Good, I would like to hear a little about 2-stroke engines. If I remember right, the last time someone tried to talk about 2-strokes it didn't take long for the subject to change. Read some real strong opinions , but not much helpful information. George Slater Terre Haute Indiana ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 17:27:39 -0500 From: Kerry Miller Subject: KR: KRnet vs EAA chapters Oscar said: >I am not a member of a local chapter, nor have I ever attended a chapter >meeting. Not out of dislike, but because I have too many irons in the >fire. If you KRNetters formed a chapter that could meet in one of >y'alls workshop- I WOULD GO! I think this is where it needs to start, >and where everybody really wants it to be, in honesty. Oscar, That was the best part about the KR Gathering. It was my first, and it reminded me of a good old-fashioned EAA meeting where folks were always tinkering and building. It wasn't a bunch of snobs showing off their Lancairs, Glasairs (there was 1 tho...) and Bonanzas (1 of them, too). Those guys came to see KRs! I belong to an EAA chapter in East Tx, about a hour's drive from here. There are 2 other chapters in the area, not counting the several around Dallas, but I like the one in Mt. Vernon because there are more active builders, not just spam can flyers who think KR's are toys. I've seen some of the snobbery you talked about in the Dallas chapters, but I think many of those guys are retired and/or independantly wealthy. Our little chapter out here in the stick is more fun, and I ain't tellin' them city boys where we meet! Keep 'em Flying, Kerry Miller Royse City, TX ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 00:59:19 +0100 From: Antonio Pereira Subject: Re: KR: KRnet vs EAA chapters Kerry Miller wrote: > Oscar said: > >I am not a member of a local chapter, nor have I ever attended a chapter > >meeting. Not out of dislike, but because I have too many irons in the > >fire. If you KRNetters formed a chapter that could meet in one of > >y'alls workshop- I WOULD GO! I think this is where it needs to start, > >and where everybody really wants it to be, in honesty. > > Oscar, > That was the best part about the KR Gathering. It was my first, and it > reminded me of a good old-fashioned EAA meeting where folks were always > tinkering and building. It wasn't a bunch of snobs showing off their > Lancairs, Glasairs (there was 1 tho...) and Bonanzas (1 of them, too). > Those guys came to see KRs! > > I belong to an EAA chapter in East Tx, about a hour's drive from here. > There are 2 other chapters in the area, not counting the several around > Dallas, but I like the one in Mt. Vernon because there are more active > builders, not just spam can flyers who think KR's are toys. I've seen some > of the snobbery you talked about in the Dallas chapters, but I think many > of those guys are retired and/or independantly wealthy. Our little chapter > out here in the stick is more fun, and I ain't tellin' them city boys where > we meet! > > Keep 'em Flying, > Kerry Miller > Royse City, TX Com'on guys... people are just people! There are snobs everywhere: Driving, sailing, dressing, and, why not, flying. Let them be with their Lancairs, Glasairs and "Whatevairs", if they whish. They will always draw their knowledge on the little experimenter that tinkers away at his KR, Pixie, Dune Buggy, or Kitchen Sink. The point is: if you don´t like them, leave them, and whenever you feel the need, go to big gatherings, small gatherings, or gather for a cup of coffee or a beer. Hey! I'd rather be flying then writing to you guys ...what I mean is: use and abuse of EAA chapters if you feel they are any good; if not... I guess you have to start your own, don't you? António "Make planes, Not war" Mendes Pereira ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:42:29 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: KR: Copperstate Fly-in Again BTW, a show of e-mails will do, who's gonna go to Copperstate? Do we want to meet up? If so, where shall we meet? How about say, 11:00 am Saturday at my KR on the flight line. If somebody has a car, maybe we could go someplace cool and have a rowdy KR lunch/builders/fliers bull session. Jeff - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:58:34 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: FAA & Inspections On Mon, 06 Oct 1997 12:25:14 -0400 smithr writes: >.> I just took pictures for my "album" and was told that would do just fine. >> The FAA doesn't have the manpower any longer to do what they used to do. >> >> Jim Hayward > >I also took pictures before closing my spars but regret that the quality >of these pictures was not what it could have been. Wish that I took more > pictures with more close-ups. > >Bob Smith > I found that the pictures were more for my personal references. Either to explain an idea to another builder, or cause I can't remember how I built certain details of my plane. When it came to inspection time, the DAR never even looked at the photo album. - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:25:54 +0000 From: Steve Bennett Subject: Re: KR: counterbalances I would be willing to bet the ratio of counter balanced elevators to non counter balanced elevators is about 90 to 10 favoring the non counterbalanced elevators. s. bennett ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 19:27:52 From: Ron Lee Subject: KR: Lowered GPS price This from AvWeb. Saw it posted on Cozy list I hope. * GOOD GRIEF! HOW LOW CAN THEY GO? Lowrance Electronics just dropped the price of its AirMap handheld GPS by another $100, to an incredible $599! AVweb has consistently rated the AirMap as the "best bang for the buck" among all aviation handhelds, but we find the new aggressive pricing simply astonishing...and delightful. (We'd love to be a fly on the wall in Garmin's executive suite right now.) Lowrance also announced that they're discontinuing the "AirMap SE" model and have now made the SE's obstruction database standard equipment in the AirMap. The SE's rechargeable NiMH battery pack is still available as a $120 option (including the AC charger). . Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 21:09:54 -0700 From: Ted & Louisa Jones Subject: Re: KR: old boat >> Hey Ted, thanks for the detailed instructions but I think we have a > slight mis-comunication thing going. I am refering to the "boat" of a > kr! I hope to never "use" it in salt water!! Hasn't anyone tried a KR seaplane yet? :-) > As for stripper, would this effect the glue joints any or should I > just sand and apply a new coat of varnish? Hey Darrin: In theory, the 5f5 won't affect the glue joints, but I'd hate to rely on theory with something so critical. What you really want is a good barrier and sealer, so I would forget the cosmetics, darkened wood, etc. and concentrate on getting a good seal and adhesion between the old finish and the new. If you have a good orbital sander, this should do it (120 or 150 grits) and get between most of the ribs and longerons. Getting into the corners is going to be a challenge unless you have one of those neat little triangular sanders I see advertised in the tool catalogs. I forget what they cost, but with what you have in front of you they're probably worth it. 3 coats ought to be enough, well sanded in between, and I would still go with the marine UV blocking spar varnish if it were mine. Sorry for the confusion, when you wrote "old boat" it didn't occur to me that it was an old KR boat, but as I am in New Hampshire near a beautiful lake and my little sailboat is 950 miles away, I started to salivate at the word "boat" -- and you know the rest. Cheers, Ted Jones > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 19:53:20 -0700 From: Peter Hudson Subject: Re: KR: RAF 48 data? I definately plan to post recomendations regarding weight limits and V-N diagrams I'll probably even put the spreadsheets on my web page for all to review, criticize or even just use. The trick is if I want more strength out of my already built-and-installed wing center section how I'd go about it. Ross wrote: > Your mention of a FAR23 gust jogged my memory. Could you recommend > some Manuvering speeds for the KR at various gross weights? My thinking > is that below Va gusts would be OK. Va varies with weight so a nice > table (rough figures) would be a nifty thing. Mike M. wrote: > How about running the data through to see how much material should be added > to the spar caps to bring them up to where they should be (assuming a 1100 > pound gross) and posting it on the net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:14:39 -0700 From: Peter Hudson Subject: Re: KR: RAF 48 data? Mike wrote: > How about running the data through to see how much material should be added > to the spar caps to bring them up to where they should be... I plan to. The real trick will be how to add it to my already built-installed-foamed-and glassed wing center section. Bobby wrote: > It would be nice if you guys, that are trying to come up with the safety > limitations of the KR, would explain the effects of the flexablity of the > wood/foam/fiberglass wing on your data. In this case the flexibility of the foam and glass will not come into play. As a "hand-calc" we have to assume a "statically determinate" (an engineering term for "oh I can figure this one out!") structure with all of the aero loads going through the foam and glass into the spars. The flexibilty in torsion could play a roll in the distribution between the front and rear spar (a flexible outer panel would twist and change the load distribution). I feel I can ignore this because adding the 3 deg twist in the outboard section only changed the stress in the spar a few percent. Since I dont expect it to twist nearly that much I'm not acounting for it. Lastly the overall flexibility would change the shape of the "gust load" as the wings flex under load and tend to relieve it but as we know the shape of a gust in only in the mind of the FAA so since they guessed first I'm not planning to modify the guess by a few percent. and... > ...you can add extra strenght to the spars but when you do you also > put additional stress on the center wing and attach fittings. In this case the area of concern is at the fuselage side. The outer panel fittings see a lot less load. As long as beefing up the spar is moderate, uses the same material, is tapered nicely, and so on then the over integrity of the wing will be improved. Ross wrote: > Could you recommend some Manuvering speeds for the KR at various gross weights? I worked out a spread sheet for that too. I'll post some tables and recomendations here on KRnet and put the spreadsheets on my web page later. (after I figure out how!)for any one to criticize, review, or even use! More later... - -Peter Hudson- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:32:28 -0700 From: Peter Hudson Subject: Re: KR: Stronger wings.... Steve Bennett wrote: > I would simply ask you to look at how many in > flight structrual failures there have been with the aircraft that have > been built per plans, to my knowledge, not one. YES, My intention in this is not that of a preaching doom. The reason there seems to be a conflict is primarily that spruce has a broad spread of material properties depending on each peice of wood. The material allowables we're using in these calculations are very conservative. 99.9 percent of the spruce in our KRs is better that the published value by quite a bit. Also the calcs allow for a factor of safety of 1.5 between the limit and a structural failure. So if a thousand KRs were flying around at 900 lbs and 6+ Gs I'd expect one to fail sometime. That's pretty unlikey and that's the way the FAA has to operate. I'll have no problem climbing in my KR with that level confidence. On the other hand what appears to be excessive conservatism (is that a word?) has been developed throughout the history of aviation (through trial error and crashes) and all that experience has been nicely documented and given to use in the form of FAR part 23. Who am I to say if it's too conservative? - -Peter hudson- Ridgecrest, CA (once and a while I remember too!) If the KR is built > per plans called for empty weight, the aircraft is fully capable of > carrying two occupants, fuel and some baggage. If you add a > watercooled or aircraft engine etc... try to make it into a IFR > planform, lots of heavy stuff, like extended range fuel tanks that you > use twice a year and carry the weight for the rest of the time, it > simply degrades the performance of the aircraft. At the > dragonflyswarming this year the one watercooled powered dragonfly > weighed in a 940 lbs empty wieght which did included about 15 or so > gallons of fuel. empty weight really does matter! s bennett ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:44:35 -0700 From: Peter Hudson Subject: Re: KR: Stronger wings.... Jim, What started this all of was that I used the published values for the KR-2 as limit loads and Don Ried pointed out they were ultimate loads not limit loads. In the next few posts it became obvious that was true. Typically aircraft strengths are published as limit loads but apparently not in this case. Also remember I'm just some guy with a calculator. I'm only doing the checking for my own peace of mind and anyone elses who chooses to look over the calcs and results and believe them. - -Peter- JEHayward@aol.com wrote: > I guess I'm gonna have to go see where I got the figures in my mind. I've > had it in my head that it was 6G's @ 900lbs. I had planned to license my > 2-S at 1200 lbs for 4.5G's so there would be no problem with overgross. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:56:56 -0400 (EDT) From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: KR: Project update - The boat has legs! I've been working since the gathering, with every spare moment I could, and now the boat has legs! I foamed in the floor of the forward fuselage and installed the floor back to the spar station as I need a shim under the main spar to give me room to play with the wing incidence. I put all three pieces of the main spar together before permanently installing the center section to get the alignment nailed, and it's just about perfect (read that as "it's as good as I could get it"), about 1/32" off spar tip to spar tip. I drilled all of the mounting holes in the center main spar for the gear forgings and the stick on the drill press and then floxed that baby in there. Tonight I drilled the wheel attach fittings and assembled them to the gear legs, and temporarily installed the forgings, legs, and wheels to check for fit. Looks gooood...... I've got Cleveland brakes, and the way the axle attach fittings are made on the Diehl gear the only way I can figure to mount the brakes is on the bottom of the wheel. I don't like that much. How has everyone else done it? One problem -- I had a brain cramp when I was drilling the holes for the gear forgings. When I read the part in Dan's instructions that says to put them as close to the fuselage side as possible, I did.... so close, in fact, that I failed to leave room for the inside rib to be installed as per the plans. Oooops. Work-around #73 in progress. Well, I promised the kids that I'd build them a soap box racer with the wood from the crate my top deck came in just as soon as I got the airplane off the work table and onto it's gear. They're gonna be the only kids in the neighborhood with a racer with wings... film at eleven. At least my weekend is planned. Cheers! Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 21:34:20 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: EAA Oscar, Thanks for the great post. BTW if your ever in the neighborhood come by and take a look at my KR in progress. I recall posting a KR for sale a few months ago, when I called for information he informed me that he had subsequently ground looped the plane, and was parting it out. If you want some parts cheap, he is in Roseburg. I'd have to look through the KRNET archives to find his address/phone however... whoops! -- Ross Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > Hello, KRNetters > > I really apologize to everyone (especially RossY) for the problems and > repeated re-posts that I may have caused through my Juno account. As > you can see, I'm trying out another freebie: HotMail (just can't bring > myself to pay for stuff that I might can get for free). I just opened > my inbox and found 139 new messages. That's what happens when a guy > goes home for the weekend to do some chores. > > I have to comment on EAA and the thread that's been unwinding lately. > The only way I came to know about the KR, and hundreds of other > fascinating aircraft, was through EAA. Up until the day that I noticed > a Sport Aviation in a box in my instructor's office, I thought there was > only one way to fly: in an FAA-approved, licensed, placarded, airworthy, > Wichita/Vero Beach, spam can. All of a sudden, I woke up to a world > where people could dream, build, experiment, and...FLY! I borrowed all > the SA's he had- several cases of them- and got no sleep for months. I > saw so many dreams take wing, with so many guys and girls standing next > to them, grinning, that I just knew that this world was for ME. I saw > ideas pop up in the pages there, that a year or two later were > commercial realities, but originally cooked up in somebody's garage or > shop. THIS IS WHERE REAL AVIATION IS! Again I say: if you're not in > it for the FUN and EXCITEMENT, then you're probably a turbo pusher with > epaulets and some bigwig telling you where to fly him/her. I feel sorry > for pro pilots who don't get any enjoyment out of their 1000's of hours. > > I must agree with Jeff about the recent direction of the home EAA > organization, however. The article I most remember in SA was many pages > long, with many photographs, by a gentleman who built a Tailwind and > documented the many clever mods/tweaks he used. Absolutely fascinating. > Not many of those stories today- they're mostly about award-winning > Glasairs or restored DeHavillands. I still read them all- cover to > cover- but sure used to get into those stories by the little guys > building the little ships. I know EAA has a glossy image to uphold, > being a big player now, but we all miss Tony and the backyard boys. > > I am not a member of a local chapter, nor have I ever attended a chapter > meeting. Not out of dislike, but because I have too many irons in the > fire. If you KRNetters formed a chapter that could meet in one of > y'alls workshop- I WOULD GO! I think this is where it needs to start, > and where everybody really wants it to be, in honesty. There is nothing > more motivating than to sit around a project while the folks all toss > out ideas or listen while it's explained how a certain slick trick was > done- and actually see it right there in front of you, and feel the wood > and glass, and sit in it. Then everybody goes home fired up to jump > into their own project! At least, that's what it does for me. > > Thanks again for this forum. I joined the AirSoob list a while back, > and I can say that this (KRNet) is far more interesting and friendly. > Maybe I just jumped in at a bad time over there, but it's nice to have > you builders (and pilots) so close at hand to jump in with help and > answers, rather than get jumped on for a technical difference of > opinion. > > I have a touchy subject for next time (2-strokes). Gotta get my > information together first, though. > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 21:51:02 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: KRnet vs EAA chapters Antonio, I agree with you, my complaint about EAA chapters was that they were too far away for me to get to the meetings, so I posted on a newsgroup and within 24 hours had 4 EAA members locally who wanted to form a Chapter. That was in Feburary, now we've got 40+ dues paying chapter members... and the Chapter down south of us invited us to their Christmas party! Thats pretty cool. They have been around for over 20 years so they have some major orginization... a flying club, etc. -- Ross Antonio Pereira wrote: > > Kerry Miller wrote: > > > Oscar said: > > >I am not a member of a local chapter, nor have I ever attended a chapter > > >meeting. Not out of dislike, but because I have too many irons in the > > >fire. If you KRNetters formed a chapter that could meet in one of > > >y'alls workshop- I WOULD GO! I think this is where it needs to start, > > >and where everybody really wants it to be, in honesty. > > > > Oscar, > > That was the best part about the KR Gathering. It was my first, and it > > reminded me of a good old-fashioned EAA meeting where folks were always > > tinkering and building. It wasn't a bunch of snobs showing off their > > Lancairs, Glasairs (there was 1 tho...) and Bonanzas (1 of them, too). > > Those guys came to see KRs! > > > > I belong to an EAA chapter in East Tx, about a hour's drive from here. > > There are 2 other chapters in the area, not counting the several around > > Dallas, but I like the one in Mt. Vernon because there are more active > > builders, not just spam can flyers who think KR's are toys. I've seen some > > of the snobbery you talked about in the Dallas chapters, but I think many > > of those guys are retired and/or independantly wealthy. Our little chapter > > out here in the stick is more fun, and I ain't tellin' them city boys where > > we meet! > > > > Keep 'em Flying, > > Kerry Miller > > Royse City, TX > > Com'on guys... people are just people! > There are snobs everywhere: Driving, sailing, dressing, and, why not, flying. > Let them be with their Lancairs, Glasairs and "Whatevairs", if they whish. > They will always draw their knowledge on the little experimenter that tinkers > away at his KR, Pixie, Dune Buggy, or Kitchen Sink. The point is: if you don´t > like them, leave them, and whenever you feel the need, go to big gatherings, > small gatherings, or gather for a cup of coffee or a beer. Hey! I'd rather be > flying then writing to you guys ...what I mean is: use and abuse of EAA > chapters if you feel they are any good; if not... I guess you have to start > your own, don't you? > > António "Make planes, Not war" Mendes Pereira ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 21:54:05 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Lowered GPS price A local EAA Chapter member bought one a couple of months ago when they were still $699.... pretty nice! Another nice reason to go to a couple of chapter meetings, all the toys people bring. - -- Ross Ron Lee wrote: > > This from AvWeb. Saw it posted on Cozy list I hope. > > * GOOD GRIEF! HOW LOW CAN THEY GO? Lowrance Electronics just dropped > the price of its AirMap handheld GPS by another $100, to an incredible > $599! AVweb has consistently rated the AirMap as the "best bang for > the buck" among all aviation handhelds, but we find the new aggressive > pricing simply astonishing...and delightful. (We'd love to be a fly > on the wall in Garmin's executive suite right now.) Lowrance also > announced that they're discontinuing the "AirMap SE" model and have > now made the SE's obstruction database standard equipment in the > AirMap. The SE's rechargeable NiMH battery pack is still available as > a $120 option (including the AC charger). > . > > Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 21:58:07 -0700 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: EAA Ross wrote: > Oscar, > Thanks for the great post. > BTW if your ever in the neighborhood come by and take a look at my > KR in progress. I recall posting a KR for sale a few months ago, when > I > called for information he informed me that he had subsequently > ground looped the plane, and was parting it out. If you want some > parts cheap, he is in Roseburg. I'd have to look through the KRNET > archives to find his address/phone however... whoops! > > -- Ross > Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > > Hello, KRNetters > > > > I really apologize to everyone (especially RossY) for the problems > and > > repeated re-posts that I may have caused through my Juno account. > As > > you can see, I'm trying out another freebie: HotMail (just can't > bring > > myself to pay for stuff that I might can get for free). I just > opened > > my inbox and found 139 new messages. That's what happens when a guy > > > goes home for the weekend to do some chores. > > > > I have to comment on EAA and the thread that's been unwinding > lately. > > The only way I came to know about the KR, and hundreds of other > > fascinating aircraft, was through EAA. Up until the day that I > noticed > > a Sport Aviation in a box in my instructor's office, I thought there > was > > only one way to fly: in an FAA-approved, licensed, placarded, > airworthy, > > Wichita/Vero Beach, spam can. All of a sudden, I woke up to a world > > > where people could dream, build, experiment, and...FLY! I borrowed > all > > the SA's he had- several cases of them- and got no sleep for > months. I > > saw so many dreams take wing, with so many guys and girls standing > next > > to them, grinning, that I just knew that this world was for ME. I > saw > > ideas pop up in the pages there, that a year or two later were > > commercial realities, but originally cooked up in somebody's garage > or > > shop. THIS IS WHERE REAL AVIATION IS! Again I say: if you're not > in > > it for the FUN and EXCITEMENT, then you're probably a turbo pusher > with > > epaulets and some bigwig telling you where to fly him/her. I feel > sorry > > for pro pilots who don't get any enjoyment out of their 1000's of > hours. > > > > I must agree with Jeff about the recent direction of the home EAA > > organization, however. The article I most remember in SA was many > pages > > long, with many photographs, by a gentleman who built a Tailwind and > > > documented the many clever mods/tweaks he used. Absolutely > fascinating. > > Not many of those stories today- they're mostly about award-winning > > Glasairs or restored DeHavillands. I still read them all- cover to > > cover- but sure used to get into those stories by the little guys > > building the little ships. I know EAA has a glossy image to uphold, > > > being a big player now, but we all miss Tony and the backyard boys. > > > > I am not a member of a local chapter, nor have I ever attended a > chapter > > meeting. Not out of dislike, but because I have too many irons in > the > > fire. If you KRNetters formed a chapter that could meet in one of > > y'alls workshop- I WOULD GO! I think this is where it needs to > start, > > and where everybody really wants it to be, in honesty. There is > nothing > > more motivating than to sit around a project while the folks all > toss > > out ideas or listen while it's explained how a certain slick trick > was > > done- and actually see it right there in front of you, and feel the > wood > > and glass, and sit in it. Then everybody goes home fired up to jump > > > into their own project! At least, that's what it does for me. > > > > Thanks again for this forum. I joined the AirSoob list a while > back, > > and I can say that this (KRNet) is far more interesting and > friendly. > > Maybe I just jumped in at a bad time over there, but it's nice to > have > > you builders (and pilots) so close at hand to jump in with help and > > answers, rather than get jumped on for a technical difference of > > opinion. > > > > I have a touchy subject for next time (2-strokes). Gotta get my > > information together first, though. > > > > Oscar Zuniga > > Medford, Oregon > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Ross My wife has given me a somewhat a go ahead and buy parts. Let me know if you hear any good deals out there! I might get the room I need in the garage in a couple of weeks. Getting really itchy now. John F. " will register my KR here soon" Esch Salem, OR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 21:59:02 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: old boat Ted & Louisa Jones wrote: > Hasn't anyone tried a KR seaplane yet? :-) There is a webpage someplace with Ken Rand in the KR seaplane prototype. One was made, but I'm told it didn't fly too well with VW power, and was abandonded after Ken's passing. -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 22:07:43 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: "P" leads Rob, I'm not too sure that TV Coax was designed for the high voltages the P lead carries. The insulation of TV Coax might melt and short out... anyone have the specs of that stuff? Most of the signals carried by TV coax would be low energy so I wouldn't expect it to be a good choice. I'm thinking automotive sparkplug wire might be a closer match, although I don't know how well shielded it is, or how it would behave if you put shielding on it. OK KRnetters.... I'm thinking that a LARGE step up from TV Coax would be a length of AN wire say #8 or so, with copper braid on it for shielding. Isn't that sorta what Model A's used? I don't know if I'd fly with this, but I'm thinking the chances of dieletric breakdown (melting insulation etc) are a lot less with this approach than with TV Coax. -- Ross Rob Matthews wrote: > > Hi Krnetters > Does anyone know what the minimum resistance of coaxial cable must be for the P > lead before it causes interferance with ones radio. I was wanting to use TV > coax cable but need to know if it would be enough to suppress the interferance > caused by the points in the magneto and the spark plugs. I went to buy some > cord (aircraft spark plug cord with silicone covering) and i nearly fell on my > back. They want something like US$ 17.00 per meter. A slight bit expensive for > me. > Any comments welcomed. > Regards > -- > Rob Matthews Have a nice day > South Africa > email mathewrz@iafrica.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 00:25:34 -0700 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: EAA Oscar, Outstanding post, what you said is what got Paul P. and a group of flier, builders together 50 years ago to form EAA. The idea that a guy in his garage, could dream and even create something that would take wing and fly. We have airplanes today that weren't even dreamed of when EAA was formed. Airplanes made of wood, foam, fiberglas, kevlar, carbon fiber. But if it hadn't been for visionaries like Ken Rand and Stu Robinson who devised the FIRST COMPOSITE airplane, and later Burt Rutan with the EZ, Beach Starship and the Voyager, going around the world on one tank of gas, would there be a Stealth bomber or a Stealth fighter today? And to think it was a guy in his garage, a HOMEBUILDER, with a dream. Can anyone but me see where we all would be, if EAA never happened. I don't nessasarily like all that I read in SA, it is sometime (most times) out of my income, but I still read and enjoy. Just my thoughts at midnight after a hard night. Dave Moore At 07:09 AM 10/6/97 PDT, you wrote: >Hello, KRNetters > >I really apologize to everyone (especially RossY) for the problems and >repeated re-posts that I may have caused through my Juno account. As >you can see, I'm trying out another freebie: HotMail (just can't bring >myself to pay for stuff that I might can get for free). I just opened >my inbox and found 139 new messages. That's what happens when a guy >goes home for the weekend to do some chores. > >I have to comment on EAA and the thread that's been unwinding lately. >The only way I came to know about the KR, and hundreds of other >fascinating aircraft, was through EAA. Up until the day that I noticed >a Sport Aviation in a box in my instructor's office, I thought there was >only one way to fly: in an FAA-approved, licensed, placarded, airworthy, >Wichita/Vero Beach, spam can. All of a sudden, I woke up to a world >where people could dream, build, experiment, and...FLY! I borrowed all >the SA's he had- several cases of them- and got no sleep for months. I >saw so many dreams take wing, with so many guys and girls standing next >to them, grinning, that I just knew that this world was for ME. I saw >ideas pop up in the pages there, that a year or two later were >commercial realities, but originally cooked up in somebody's garage or >shop. THIS IS WHERE REAL AVIATION IS! Again I say: if you're not in >it for the FUN and EXCITEMENT, then you're probably a turbo pusher with >epaulets and some bigwig telling you where to fly him/her. I feel sorry >for pro pilots who don't get any enjoyment out of their 1000's of hours. > >I must agree with Jeff about the recent direction of the home EAA >organization, however. The article I most remember in SA was many pages >long, with many photographs, by a gentleman who built a Tailwind and >documented the many clever mods/tweaks he used. Absolutely fascinating. >Not many of those stories today- they're mostly about award-winning >Glasairs or restored DeHavillands. I still read them all- cover to >cover- but sure used to get into those stories by the little guys >building the little ships. I know EAA has a glossy image to uphold, >being a big player now, but we all miss Tony and the backyard boys. > >I am not a member of a local chapter, nor have I ever attended a chapter >meeting. Not out of dislike, but because I have too many irons in the >fire. If you KRNetters formed a chapter that could meet in one of >y'alls workshop- I WOULD GO! I think this is where it needs to start, >and where everybody really wants it to be, in honesty. There is nothing >more motivating than to sit around a project while the folks all toss >out ideas or listen while it's explained how a certain slick trick was >done- and actually see it right there in front of you, and feel the wood >and glass, and sit in it. Then everybody goes home fired up to jump >into their own project! At least, that's what it does for me. > >Thanks again for this forum. I joined the AirSoob list a while back, >and I can say that this (KRNet) is far more interesting and friendly. >Maybe I just jumped in at a bad time over there, but it's nice to have >you builders (and pilots) so close at hand to jump in with help and >answers, rather than get jumped on for a technical difference of >opinion. > >I have a touchy subject for next time (2-strokes). Gotta get my >information together first, though. > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > David Moore Turnkey1@MSComm.Com Hesperia, Calif. ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #116 *****************************