From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 1997 7:02 AM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n122' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #122 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Friday, October 10 1997 Volume 01 : Number 122 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 08:55:45 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: 2-strokes At 06:19 AM 10/9/97 PDT, you wrote: The 'instant seize', varying temps and altitudes, >etc. are hopefully evened out with water cooling. I would love to hear >any further comments on water cooled (drawback: adds weight!) But I'm >still planning to use a soob. > 90% of the machines I dealt with were water cooled! So needless to say, I WAS talking about water cooled engines. With the water jacket they were allowed to get more HP out of them but in the same process put more demand on the engine. Water cooled 2 strokes usually have much tighter tolerances than their air cooled counter parts and that's where the cold seizing came into play. ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 09:00:48 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: cheap GPS At 06:28 AM 10/9/97 PDT, you wrote: >Me again, KRNetters > >My 2 cents' worth on handheld GPS- I bought a Magellan 2000 last year, >cost me $138 from Cabela's, after reading an article in Sport Aviation. >If you are an 'El Cheapo', renter pilot like me, this baby is all you >need to have. I use it when flying Super Cub around here, and I can >find anything I need. I agree, in most cases the database is a waste! All our planes had aviation IFR approved GPS receivers in them with a full Jeppesen database. The database was about as useless as tits on a bull in our situation but I could see how flying from airport to airport it might come in handy. Mike "using cheep receiver with laptop moving map display" Mims ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mimsmand@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~mimsmand ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:52:13 CDT From: "Rex Ellington" Subject: KR: Re: Mims - Member list > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:49:21 -0700 > From: Micheal Mims wrote > Subject: KR: Member List > Look at all these members (alphabetized for your browsing pleasure!)! Woo > Hoo! 168 and growing! Now that I can make postings again, please enter me on the Members List. Rex Ellington ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu Rex T. Ellington ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:17:07 -0400 From: smithr Subject: Re: KR: Limbachs Ed Janssen wrote: > Limbachs are significantly higher in price than VW conversions found here in > the US. Noticed that at an Oshkosh booth, Limbach reps were particularly > agitated by people who make comments like "Isn't that a just VW engine?" > Don't know the major mechanical differences tho. Essentially the Limbach is a VW. Since Limbachs are certified in Europe and therefore reliable, it would seem to be very valuable to us VW guys to find out what modificaitions have been done to make the VW so reliable. I,for one, would love to have that information (and HP), but I suppose that Limbach would be reluctant to give it out. How can we get it? Bob Smith, Albany, NY ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 12:00:35 -0700 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: Limbach EO 2000 Rick The 0-200 is in the classifieds in the November Kitplanes. It had a Florida prefix I think. All I know is that it had 1515 hours since a major overhaul, ignition switch, and all accessories and logs. John F. Esch Salem, OR EagleGator@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-10-08 15:17:40 EDT, you write: > > << Does anyone know the specs and reliability of the Limbach EO 2000 > engines? All I know that there is one for sale and it is 80 hp and > complete with all accessories. Also, there is a O-200-A Cont. for > sale > for $3500 w/logs. > > John F. Esch > Salem, OR >> > > Limbach engines are certified, I believe, so that speaks for their > reliability. > > Please send me the details on the O-200, if you wouldn't mind! > Thanks. > > Cheers, > Rick Junkin > EagleGator@aol.com > St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:44:28 CDT From: "Rex Ellington" Subject: KR: Epoxy sealer G'Day After Dan Diehl's presentation at the Gathering, I have started gathering informaiton on some of his suggestions. The first was an epoxy sealer that he suggested would yield a surface on one's plywood ready for painting with minimal or no surface filling. This could eliminate the need for covering with glass fiber 'silk'. I contacted Smith & Co., Richmond, CA, 1-510-237-6842 and obtained information sheets on a number of their products, especially "Clear Penetrating Epoxy Sealer" (tm). Here are several quotes from their brochure. "Impregnation of wood with CPEStm changes the cellulose of wood (which fungi and bacterial find tasty and easily digestible) into epoxy-impregnated-cellulose which resists further attack ... while reinforcing the wood,.... The wood is strengthened while allosing normal expansion and contraction with changes in humidity and temperature. Paint or varnish will last longer because the paint has a strongly attached, chemically compatible surface to bond to. ... The resin system is derived from natural wood resins and so develops a chemical adhesive bond to the wood fibers themselves." Further, paraphrasing, If we apply something (paint) over something to which a CPEStm sealer has been applied and only partly cured, the (paint) proceeds to cure first and then the CPES giving a firm bond to the (paint). So one might wish to coat the inside of the fuselage first and the coat the outside as part of finish painting. I take no responsibility for any of the quotations, and only suggest that it does appear interesting and some of you might wish to do some testing. I intend to do so. Their 'tear sheets' also discuss a wood glue that probably deserves test by a number of us. Rex Ellington Norman OK Rex T. Ellington ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 15:07:46 -0500 From: cwcrane@why.net (CW Crane) Subject: Re: KR: (Fwd) (Fwd) Gathering thoughts On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:08:57 CDT, you wrote: >I know what I want to do and would hope to have the yellow >and blue Taylorcraft 44264, that I flew in and out Friday, up for sale >next fall. (by the way, that 33 ft. wingspan, 5 ft. chord, bird >only weighs 712 pounds empty, which makes it almost STOL >in winds like Friday's). I had a few pulse-raisers learning its >characteristics, that a testing program like that discussed at the >Gathering would have moderated. > >It is good that there are still people like Don and Randy who >will make something like the Gathering really work. > >Rex Ellington For those of us who were unable to attend the testing program discussion, would it be possible for someone to post the points covered and suggested procedures to follow. CW Crane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:42:26 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Gathering thoughts - Fight test In a message dated 97-10-09 16:12:11 EDT, you write: << For those of us who were unable to attend the testing program discussion, would it be possible for someone to post the points covered and suggested procedures to follow. >> I think this will be part of the Video tape Bob is putting together. Also Rick has a complete flight test manual with test cards on his website. I don't have the address in front of me, but I think he (or someone) will pipe up the address when they read this. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:43:12 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Epoxy sealer In a message dated 97-10-09 15:49:16 EDT, Rex wrote: << I take no responsibility for any of the quotations, and only suggest that it does appear interesting and some of you might wish to do some testing. I intend to do so. Their 'tear sheets' also discuss a wood glue that probably deserves test by a number of us. >> Ok folks, who has space to post these spec sheets to a web page? Maybe if I whine, Rex will scan them and send them to the person who has the space for posting. HINT HINT HINT Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 19:16:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Geo2late@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: 2-strokes Thanks everyone for all the post on the 2-stroke engines, I read some that were really informative and helpful. Especially liked the post by Mark Pierce with the comparison between 2-strokes and VWs, thanks Mark. I haven't made any decision on type of engine I will use and like to explore every possibility. I have had the plans for the KR2S for a couple of years now and have studied them and the manual along with all the back issues of the news letter I could get and a few books. I have been reading the KRnet now for a few months and really found helpful information on Building the KR, and the web pages are all outstanding. So now I'm ready to start, will order some of the material in the next week as my 40th Birthday present to myself. My only experience with building airplanes is a single seat challenger ultralight that I have flown for about 4 years.( aluminum tubing and fabric) So wood, foam and fiberglass is all new to me. I'm sure I'll have lots of questions for you all as I build this plane and look forward to interacting with you on the KRnet. George Slater Terre Haute, Indiana (Newbe, just getting started) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 16:08:23 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: (Fwd) (Fwd) Gathering thoughts At 03:07 PM 10/9/97 -0500, you wrote: >For those of us who were unable to attend the testing program >discussion, would it be possible for someone to post the points >covered and suggested procedures to follow. > >CW Crane > The best thing for you to do is buy the 97 gathering video! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 09:43:11 -0700 From: Ted & Louisa Jones Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident EagleGator@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-10-08 22:13:38 EDT, you write: > > << tried to jump from the plane without a chute prior to impact > and was partially decapitated. >> > > Jeff, any more details about this would be enlightening, like was he in a > spin, stalled, etc. It could be that jumping out of this airplane (with a > chute) is a bad idea and I'll need to install a BRS if I go through with spin > testing. My bailout criteria may have just changed drastically. An observation: > There doesn't appear to be enough information to come to a reasonable conclusion in Mr. Culp's fatal accident and it would seem there won't be, but I am struck by the similar circumstances which killed my friend Lars Bergstrom last March. After successfully completing stall tests on the production prototype Windex 1200-C, the aircraft disappeared from view behind a hill and did not return. Lars was found partially out of the cockpit with a fatal head injury. Lars was a large man in a tiny airplane with the pilot in a semi-recumbent position, which would tend to put the CG aft, although his partner on the ground is reported to have said that they checked the CG carefully and made appropriate adjustments. It is supposed that the aircraft was in a flat spin or unrecoverable stall and that Lars may have been attempting to move his weight forward in an attempt to recover flying speed. The situation could be similar here in light of the reported stall characteristics of the KR at low airspeeds with aft CG: engine dies, stretch final approach -- it is not a comfortable scenario. Is it better to ride it out passively and hope for the best or to keep trying to get out of the problem until the end. Not good options, although 2 pilots survived flat spin crashes (at least one was in the ocean) in Velocity aircraft, as was well documented in the aviation press a couple of years ago. Ted Jones Center Harbor, NH ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 16:59:05 -0700 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: (Fwd) (Fwd) Gathering thoughts I will ordered the 97 gathering video as soon it comes available. I was another person who couldn't make it to the gathering (DARN IT). The last video encouraged me to buy plans. Will register my KR here soon also. Just trying to think up a N-number. hmmmm John F. Esch Salem, OR Micheal Mims wrote: > At 03:07 PM 10/9/97 -0500, you wrote: > >For those of us who were unable to attend the testing program > >discussion, would it be possible for someone to post the points > >covered and suggested procedures to follow. > > > >CW Crane > > > > The best thing for you to do is buy the 97 gathering video! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:55:25 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: KRNet? KRNetHeads, Just got the most recent Newsletter. I never cease to be amazed how Monte can write up the Gathering and not mention KRNet even ONCE! The word internet was mentioned by Jeff Bryson, who said "My canopy mechanism is ala Roy Marsh and off the internet" (I wonder where he saw that?). And Randy will be proud to know that he's been called Mark Stein again. I guess I should take credit for that, because I know that every time he thinks KRNet or Internet, he gets a pain deep down low, named Mark... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 19:30:18 -0700 From: bmsi@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: KR: Getting plans! Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > Hi, Netters- > > Well, it looks like I may be getting a set of KR-2 plans, thanks to a > post here a week or two ago about some for sale. I'm stoked! : ^ ) > > Gotta go to work now, but I have some comments re: cheap GPS units. > Also- I got some info in the snail mail last night on Ross planetary > redrives. My inclination is toward the belt drives, but I'm still > investigating. There are some cool stories and photos in the stuff I > got from Ross. > > Hey, you people in warmer climes: we got our first snowfall of this > season yesterday, up on the mountains around us. I hear my skis calling > me from out in the garage. (How about you and Linda, Paul- are you > gonna get out and play in it, or keep working on your fuel tank?) > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Hey Hombre -- We don't need no snow here. Water temperature at the beach today was 80 deg. The skis only work on water here ;-) Good luck with your plans. Bruce S. Campbell Tampa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 19:38:18 -0700 From: bmsi@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: KR: split flaps smithr wrote: > > Bob Smith, KR2S Albany, NY "out front, breaking wind" Bringing tears to the eyes of your followers, no doubt :-) Bruce S. Campbell Tampa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 19:39:59 -0700 From: bmsi@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: KR: Testing, testing Rex Ellington wrote: > > G'Day All > > Is it working for me yet ?? > > Rex Ellington > Rex T. Ellington > ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu A delayed yep! Bruce S. Campbell Tampa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 19:21:24 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR: (Fwd) (Fwd) Gathering thoughts John F. Esch wrote: > Will register my KR here soon > also. Just trying to think up a N-number. hmmmm John, Be advised that the instant you register your KR, the state tax man will probably be all over you to pay taxes on everything you buy out of state (since it's rare that out of state companies charge state tax on out of state orders). Just thought I'd warn you so you can take appropriate action. Of course, paying as you go may be preferable to what happened to our EAA president when he registered his Mini-Max. He was presented with a rather large bill, and told to pay up now or he'd be hauled to court...and he's a senior officer with the Huntsville Police department... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 19:53:25 -0700 From: bmsi@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: KR: Limbach EO 2000 John F. Esch wrote: > > Ross > > Does anyone know the specs and reliability of the Limbach EO 2000 > engines? All I know that there is one for sale and it is 80 hp and > complete with all accessories. Also, there is a O-200-A Cont. for sale > for $3500 w/logs. > > John F. Esch > Salem, OR John, If the Continental is still breathing -- get it. Bruce S. Campbell Tampa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:37:20 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: split flaps > >Have another beer Ross! :o) How about not installing flaps period! >A >speed brake (belly board) will work just fine! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims After finding out what a pussycat my KR is to land at low altitude, it confirmed for me that I made the right decision to leave off the flaps and belly board. On the other hand, up here in the high mountains, I sometimes wish I had one or the other. Landing at 7200' is quite different from the flat lands. - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 19:31:11 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: (Fwd) Airplane Taxes On Thu, 9 Oct 1997 19:21:24 -0500 "Mark Langford" writes: >John, > >Be advised that the instant you register your KR, the state tax man will >probably be all over you to pay taxes on everything you buy out of state >(since it's rare that out of state companies charge state tax on out of >state orders). Just thought I'd warn you so you can take appropriate >action. Of course, paying as you go may be preferable to what happened to >our EAA president when he registered his Mini-Max. He was presented with a >rather large bill, and told to pay up now or he'd be hauled to court...and >he's a senior officer with the Huntsville Police department... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >email at langford@hiwaay.net >KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > Depends on the state. Here in NM it will cost me $.02 per pound of licensed gross weight until my plane reaches the ripe old age of two years. Then it drops to $.015 per pound. After it's an old worn out plane of 5 years old, the state cost drops to $.01 per pound for as long as this old plane lasts. :o) They won't even pester me for sales taxes. On the other hand. Once upon a time I moved my Starduster to the fair state of Washington for a year. The screwin' I got there made up for me being single at the time. ;o( Jeff - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 00:46:22 -0400 (EDT) From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Gathering thoughts - Fight test In a message dated 97-10-09 17:47:06 EDT, you write: << << For those of us who were unable to attend the testing program discussion, would it be possible for someone to post the points covered and suggested procedures to follow. >> I think this will be part of the Video tape Bob is putting together. Also Rick has a complete flight test manual with test cards on his website. I don't have the address in front of me, but I think he (or someone) will pipe up the address when they read this. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA >> The web page address is http://members.aol.com/eaglegator. The latest published version of my test manual is available there (the same one made available at the gathering, thanks Jeff Scott!) in Microsoft Word and RTF formats. The test cards only take you throught the first flight, that's all I've had time to put together so far. Also get a copy of the NTSB accident reports from the web site, read them and learn from the situations other folks have found themselves in, and formulate your plan for how you would handle the same situations. Feel free to call me at (314) 447-3205 if you have any questions or comments, I'll be in the garage working on my "Baby Eagle" from now until late Monday evening ;-). After Monday, I am home most evenings. Cheers! Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 04:58:46 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: Epoxy sealer On Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:43:12 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > >Ok folks, who has space to post these spec sheets to a web page? Maybe = if I >whine, Rex will scan them and send them to the person who has the space = for >posting. HINT HINT HINT > >Randy Stein >BSHADR@aol.com >Soviet Monica, CA Randy, I have plenty of space for anything that anybody wants posted. Just let me know what you want and send it to me. Brian J. Bland Claremore, OK Building Stretched, Widened KR-2S bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 22:07:44 -0700 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: Limbach EO 2000 I'll try to look into it more. If anyone else is interested I found the add on the 0-200 in the classifieds in November's Kitplanes. bmsi@ix.netcom.com wrote: > John F. Esch wrote: > > > > Ross > > > > Does anyone know the specs and reliability of the Limbach EO 2000 > > engines? All I know that there is one for sale and it is 80 hp and > > complete with all accessories. Also, there is a O-200-A Cont. for > sale > > for $3500 w/logs. > > > > John F. Esch > > Salem, OR > > John, If the Continental is still breathing -- get it. > > Bruce S. Campbell > Tampa ------------------------------ Date: 10 Oct 1997 14:08:24 +0900 From: Mouse@heiwa.com Subject: KR: antennas KR>I am about to make some of my antennas and need some help. Can someone KR>let me know what type of soldering wire to use on the connectoins. KR>Thanks in advance. KR>David Batton You might want to take a look at the Kitplanes magazine (either the August or September issue) which had a pretty interesting article about antennas design. Tim Schuy KR-2S builder in Japan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 02:42:30 -0400 From: "Driessen, Marcel" Subject: KR: AW: LIMBACH engines ---------- Von: 'MAIL@CSERVE ' Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 1997 05:00 An: Driessen; 'MAIL@CSERVE ' Betreff: KR: LIMBACH engines Sender: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Received: from smtp3.teleport.com (smtp3.teleport.com [192.108.254.5]) by arl-img-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.5) with ESMTP id EAA07442 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 04:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smtp3.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA23140; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 01:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtp3.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.5); Thu, 9 Oct 1997 01:55:32 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp3.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id BAA22755 for krnet-l-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 01:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from csai.telecomitalia.it (remo.csai.telecomitalia.it [151.99.133.1]) by smtp3.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA22748 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 01:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Mailhub by csai.telecomitalia.it with ESMTP id KAA17566 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:45:24 +0200 (DFT) Received: from MailClients by Mailserver with SMTP id KAA34560 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:53:53 +0200 Message-ID: <343D1B27.38E7@telecomitalia.it> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 10:57:59 -0700 From: Alessandro Pecorara X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: KR: LIMBACH engines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com Precedence: bulk From a 1995 brochure: Limbach L 2000 E0 is a certified engine (used in many production motor-gliders); single magneto and wet sump pressure lubrication. Suffix is for the type of propeller hub: e.g. E02 - fixed pitch; EC2 - fixed pitch pusher, etc... It was priced DM 18,500; - Maximum hp (5'): 80 / 3400 rpm - Continuous hp: 70 / 3000 rpm - Compression ratio: 8.4 : 1 - Dry weight approx.: 74 Kg (163 lbs) - Fuel consumption (approx.) 12 ltrs/hr (3.2 US gals) By the way, Limbach builts both certified and not certified engines, with single and double magneto ignition: the cheapest was the L 2000E.X at DM 9,950. Limbach also supplies of tachometer, pressure and temperature gauges (not included in the price, of course!). Best regards. Alessandro Pecorara The 1997 prices of the engines are: L2000.EO2 DEM 20.400,- L2000.EO2.X DEM 12.200,- The L2000.EO2.X is an overhauled engine with new case and is only for experimental use. To get complete specifications for the Limbach engines contact: Limbach Flugmotoren GmbH & Co.KG Kotthausener Stra*e 5 D-53639 Konigswinter-Sassenberg Tel. (02244) 9201-0 Fax (02244) 9201-30 Marcel Driessen KR2S-Builder (boat on wheels stage) Meerlo, The Netherlands e-mail: driessen@krohne.mhs.compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 05:13:46 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Re: KR: (Fwd) Airplane Taxes > >Subject: Re: KR: (Fwd) Airplane Taxes >From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > > >On Thu, 9 Oct 1997 19:21:24 -0500 "Mark Langford" >writes: >>John, >> >>Be advised that the instant you register your KR, the state tax man will >>probably be all over you to pay taxes on everything you buy out of state >>(since it's rare that out of state companies charge state tax on out of >>state orders). >>Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >>email at langford@hiwaay.net >>KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford >> >Depends on the state. Here in NM it will cost me $.02 per pound of >licensed gross weight until my plane reaches the ripe old age of two >years. Then it drops to $.015 per pound. After it's an old worn out >plane of 5 years old, the state cost drops to $.01 per pound for as long >as this old plane lasts. :o) They won't even pester me for sales taxes. > > >Jeff >------- >Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM >jscott.pilot@juno.com HEY! You're scarin' me! What's this noise about TAXES??! Hey, Ross- what's the deal here in Oregon? Aren't we one of the states that still believes in fighting this kind of stuff? [For a while there, I thought you was talkin' about TEXAS... the state where I was born (and proud of it, too... the South will rise again!)] I would imagine that California taxes everything, regardless of country of origin or present location. I think they imbed microchips under newborn babies' skin over there, so they can track you for life and tax your earnings and everything else, as long as you live, and no matter WHERE you live... or die. I can't believe that Oregon would do the 'collect sales tax for other states' thing. Oh, this sinking feeling. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 05:20:09 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Re: KR: (Fwd) (Fwd) Gathering thoughts >Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 16:59:05 -0700 >From: "John F. Esch" >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Subject: Re: KR: (Fwd) (Fwd) Gathering thoughts >Just trying to think up a N-number. hmmmm > >John F. Esch >Salem, OR Hi, John- Just don't use MY tail number: N1691N (notice that you can still read this even when the airplane is UPSIDE DOWN?) But, seriously- does anybody know how to access the FAA database to see if a tail number is already assigned? I know you can apply for a 'custom' number, but how do you check to see if one exists, without listing your 1st, 2nd, 3rd choice, etc.? Thanks Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 05:22:31 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Re: breakin' wind >From: bmsi@ix.netcom.com >Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 19:38:18 -0700 >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Subject: Re: KR: split flaps >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >smithr wrote: >> >> Bob Smith, KR2S Albany, NY "out front, breaking wind" > >Bringing tears to the eyes of your followers, no doubt :-) > >Bruce S. Campbell >Tampa > Hey, that reminds me- did either of you two guys read the 'beans' story in the KRNet archives? Check it out! Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:16:58 -0700 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: N Numbers Oscar Zuniga wrote: > But, seriously- does anybody know how to access the FAA database to see > if a tail number is already assigned? I know you can apply for a > 'custom' number, but how do you check to see if one exists, without > listing your 1st, 2nd, 3rd choice, etc.? > > Thanks > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon On the web, you can get to the FAA at something like http://www.faa.gov and go from there or register on avweb at http://www.avweb.com - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:43:10 -0400 From: Patrick Flowers Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident Ted Jones wrote: > > The situation could be similar here in light of the reported stall > characteristics of the KR at low airspeeds with aft CG: engine dies, > stretch final approach -- it is not a comfortable scenario. Is it better > to ride it out passively and hope for the best or to keep trying to get > out of the problem until the end. Not good options, although 2 pilots > survived flat spin crashes (at least one was in the ocean) in Velocity > aircraft, as was well documented in the aviation press a couple of years > ago. Ted, Not quite sure what you mean by "ride it out" or "keep trying to get out". In the engine out scenario, keep the nose down and airspeed above stall while looking for the flatest, softest place to set 'er down is the only real option. If you're on final "stretching the glide" and get yourself into the stall/spin situation, at <1000agl, you would barely have time to say "on sh**", much less try to bail out. As long as the airframe is intact, you're always better off to stay with the plane(if you're not wearing a 'chute, it's really your only option). It would seem that the best way to avoid flat spins with the KR is to be very conservative on CG range, as espoused by many in this forum. The Velocity incidents were "deep stall" situations, not really flat spins. IIRC, the descent rate of these aircraft were <1000fpm, resulting in a survivable situation. I imagine a KR2 in a flat spin(or any spin for that matter) would have a much higher rate of descent. Patrick - -- Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net The GMC Motorhome Page http://www.gmcmotorhome.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:51:22 -0400 From: Patrick Flowers Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident Using my two left thumbs, I wrote: > > If you're on final "stretching the glide" and get > yourself into the stall/spin situation, at <1000agl, you would barely > have time to say "on sh**", much less try to bail out. If I could type, that would have been "oh sh**" Patrick - -- Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net The GMC Motorhome Page http://www.gmcmotorhome.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 05:51:51 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: KROnline OK; one more post and I'm outta here for the weekend. After quickly scanning lots of peoples' KR pages over the past few weeks, it's been all I can do to just see what's out there. Just a few minutes ago, I found back issues of the KROnline (on Mike Mims' page). Ohmygosh. I am printing this stuff out as fast as the Laserjet III can compose the pages. I know what I'll be doing this weekend! This is rich stuff... rich! Thank you, thank you to all contributors. Absolutely MUST READING. Also thanks for eaglegator's test flight download. I have lots of homework to do. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:23:11 -0700 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Taxes Mark Langford wrote: > > John F. Esch wrote: > John, > > Be advised that the instant you register your KR, the state tax man will > probably be all over you to pay taxes on everything you buy out of state > (since it's rare that out of state companies charge state tax on out of > state orders). Just thought I'd warn you so you can take appropriate > action. Of course, paying as you go may be preferable to what happened to > our EAA president when he registered his Mini-Max. He was presented with a > rather large bill, and told to pay up now or he'd be hauled to court...and > he's a senior officer with the Huntsville Police department... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > email at langford@hiwaay.net > KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford This is a true statement. Here in Virginia, one of the birthplaces of American freedom, in a war against unjust taxation, they hit us up for Va sales tax on out-of-state purchases. I have been paying them on the project, just so I don't end up like the guy mentioned. It may be a good idea for other folks to check it out. - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 06:36:07 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: Airplane Taxes >>>Be advised that the instant you register your KR, the state tax man >>>will probably be all over you to pay taxes on everything you buy out >>>of state... Mark Langford >>Depends on the state. Here in NM it will cost me $.02 per pound of >>licensed gross weight until my plane reaches the ripe old age of two >>years. Then it drops to $.015 per pound. After it's an old worn out >>plane of 5 years old, the state cost drops to $.01 per pound for as >>long as this old plane lasts. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM >I can't believe that Oregon would do the 'collect sales tax for other >states' thing. Oh, this sinking feeling. Oscar Zuniga, Medford, Oregon Well, you *could* move to Ohio, folks. The aviation tax here for us private GA types is $6 per year. Ed Newbold, Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 06:41:21 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: Taxes >This is a true statement. Here in Virginia, one of the birthplaces of >American freedom, in a war against unjust taxation, they hit us up for Va >sales tax on out-of-state purchases. I have been paying them on the project, >just so I don't end up like the guy mentioned. It may be a good idea for >other folks to check it out. Don Reid That's one of the reasons I moved to Ohio, Don. I used to live in Ellicott City, MD (very near Baltimore), and it seems that all through the Virginia/Maryland area they just try to tax you to death on everything! I couldn't stand it, and me, being one of these unmarried contrary types, just up and moved to Ohio. I know not everyone can just up and move like that (or would want to even if they could). We really need to lean on the damn politicians and continue to vote against the one's that come up with these stupid ideas! Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:59:09 -0700 From: bmsi@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: KR: Taxes enewbold@sprynet.com wrote: > > We really need to lean on the damn politicians and continue to vote against the > one's that come up with these stupid ideas! > > Ed Newbold > Columbus, OH Then, who's left to vote for??????? Bruce S. Campbell Tampa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:06:03 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: KROnline In a message dated 97-10-10 08:56:55 EDT, Oscar wrote: << OK; one more post and I'm outta here for the weekend. After quickly scanning lots of peoples' KR pages over the past few weeks, it's been all I can do to just see what's out there. Just a few minutes ago, I found back issues of the KROnline (on Mike Mims' page). Ohmygosh. >> Ya, the guys who contributed to KROnline did a bang up job. Having the folks post them on their web pages has created a huge and valuable resource for everyone who follows along after the fact. We could start it up again, on an as submitted basis, it you guys want. My home/office load will be easing up now that the kid is away (She only calls when she needs more money for college - sigh). E-mail me privately with your articles and as soon as I have enough "stuff" I'll put together the next issue. Besides, if it overloads me, I already bought some rope and the 'ol tree in the backyard is still there... Randy (KROnwhine) Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:07:21 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Epoxy sealer In a message dated 97-10-10 00:58:22 EDT, Brian wrote: << I have plenty of space for anything that anybody wants posted. Just let me know what you want and send it to me. >> Rex, are ya listen'in? Randy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:07:42 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: KRNet? In a message dated 97-10-10 04:54:52 EDT, Mark wrote: << And Randy will be proud to know that he's been called Mark Stein again. I guess I should take credit for that, because I know that every time he thinks KRNet or Internet, he gets a pain deep down low, named Mark... >> Mark: Good post...I had a wonderful chuckle spell after reading it. But one question, I thought I got to be the orifice where the sun don't shine? How comes you gets to be it too? I don't like to share my one claim to fame - you’d be well advised to go find your own place out of the sun... Isn’t it interesting that Monte just wrote me asking for the names and addresses of all of the attendees…Gee, I wonder why? Randy ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #122 *****************************