From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 1997 7:06 AM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n131' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #131 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Friday, October 17 1997 Volume 01 : Number 131 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:30:33 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: wacko email At 11:05 AM 10/16/97 -0700, you wrote: I laid out $70+ for Netscape 4.0.2 and I'm hating it. Too many >dialog boxes and much slower than 3.x. Plus the moved all my >favorite buttons. I was going to email them and complain, but it >was too diffiult, as 4.0.2 kept locking up my screen. I've fixed >the screen lock problem, but I'm still P.O.'ed with Netscape for >ruining a great product. And making me pay for it too... > I have been downloading Netscape for free from the beginning and han absolutely no problems with any of the free versions I downloaded. Well I decided to pay for the Communicator, and low and behold the first version I decide pay for is a piece of crap! It freezes up all the time and causes other applications to lock up to! Damn it! I uninstalled the entire thing and re-installed version 3.0! Netscape blew it on this one! Not to mention it is now 14 meg! ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:17:33 -0400 (EDT) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Re: Priming Foam ya, i was wondering the same thing, why do they fly? do you really have to use the foam inside? why do production or any plane fly without foam in them, many use to use just ribs and fabric. is this just a special wing that needs it? langford, what are you using in your wings? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:41:20 -0500 From: John Roffey Subject: Re: KR: Bend Over Scott Aldrich wrote: > > Bought a Tri-Pacer last year. Got a fairly good deal on it and it has been > a good airplane. Now it is annual time. It has been in the Mechs. hanger > for 2 weeks now (The only AP, I/A in Heber, Utah). No major squaks, just > a couple of minor fabric repairs around inspection holes, and replace brake > linings.. The rest of the time supposedly spent on "routine annual checks. > " O.K. so where am I going with this?? Here's the good part - they > are approaching 80 hours of labor at $42.50 / hour!!!! The mechanics have > you by the balls with these certified airplanes. This is our first and > LAST annual we will ever pay for. Half the price of a KR down the drain > #%%!##^*&##!! I will stop whinning now. Just had to vent before there > is one less I/A around. > > Ben D. Over!!! Hear Hear... Don't start another thread on why we build our own. Had a third partnership in an Arrow for five years and learned how to throw money through a hole in the sky. We never had an annual for less than $1300. The years we had to IFR certify the thing were the most painful and this is what let to the sale of the plane. My partners have given up flying completly and I now rent a C182RG for $85@HR and only fly when I have help on the rent (often). This helped me make my decision to build a KR. John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:50:27 From: Austin Clark Subject: Re: KR: Antennas revisited At 10:08 10/15/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hi folks! I would like to know from the antenna specialists out there in the >crowd how to set up a VHF antenna which will connect to my King KX-99 handheld >radio in a KR. > >I have the proper coax and have the correct BNC connector at the radio end of >the wire. At the antenna end of the coax I have a normal VHF whip-type hard wire >antenna that came off another airplane, and a pair of ceramic insulators. > >I plan on mounting the antenna behind the pilot, mounted upsidedown on an >interior plywood mount, which will leave the whip antenna pointed down inside >the fuselage. > >I know the antenna gets soldered to the center wire of the coax. The braided >shield is then twisted a little bit and soldered to a "ground plane" plate, >right? > >OK. Then the questions I have are: > >1. What size should this "ground plane" plate be (12"x12"?), > >2. what material can I use for this plate (self-adhesive aluminum?), > >3. and about what vicinity to the whip part of the antenna should this plate be >mounted (in other words, how far away from the whip should this plate be)? > > > BNC ,----------. whip > coax / > []==============================================: > \ > +------------------+ > \ ground \ > \ plane \ > \ plate \ > +------------------+ > >Thanks very much for your guidance. > >Ed Newbold >Columbus, OH > > I visited RST's web site the other day and found they are selling an antenna kit with enough material to make six antennas. They are constructed from copper foil. The kit includes the foil and some coils. Included with the kit is a booklet detailing the construction requirements of the various antennas for aircraft. They sell it for $35.00 which includes S&H. I ordered one and will give my opinion of it when it arrives. Austin Clark Pascagoula, MS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:14:53 From: Austin Clark Subject: Re: KR: Bend Over At 21:39 10/15/97 -0700, you wrote: >At 11:04 PM 10/15/97 -0400, Scott Aldrich wrote: >>" O.K. so where am I going with this?? Here's the good part - they >>are approaching 80 hours of labor at $42.50 / hour!!!! The mechanics have >you by the........................ > >A friend of mine decided to buy a cheep airplane to build time in, I think >he bought a Piper Pacer with a fresh annual. He flew it for X amount of >hours and then annual time came around. He had a few repairs in the fabric >(much like yours) and two cracked jugs that the Mechs said had been cracked >for a while. He spent enough on his first annual to rent a Piper Senaca III >for almost 3 times as many hours as he put on his Pacer and take an ATP >accelerated course. Needless to say it was a hard lesson for him. If you >want an example of what it can be like to own a certified plane, drive down >the road in your car and every fifty miles throw a 100 dollar bill out the >window. Yea, that's about right! :o) >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > Been there, done That! And if you really want a threaded anus, put it on a leaseback. Austin Clark Pascagoula, MS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:43:46 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: KR: Re: Priming Foam > >Mike, >If the wing will fail without it, then how do those planes using the >Diehl >wing skins fly? > >Is is just because the skins are thicker or something? > >Seems to me the sparcap to glass bond is the really important thing >overall. This doesn't mean I don't think foam matters, because I do. >ET, >foam home. > >Robert Covington > Robert, My Diehl skins have two layups of glass on the outside, 1/4 inch of foam underneath it (except at the spars) with perferations through the foam about 1 per square inch, then another layer of glass on the inside. The ribs underneath are 1/4 inch plyfoam (1/4 inch foam with a layup of glass on either side). This makes for a very strong wing skin and the ribs help transfer the load as well as to shape the wing. I also used the same technique on my inboard wing stub skins. They are strong enough for me to stand on. I don't think you would want to try that on a set of plans built wings. The plans built wing isn't necessarily stronger or weaker, but is built with a slightly different technique. Jeff - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:07:20 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Bend Over On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:04:21 -0400 Scott Aldrich <71714.1611@compuserve.com> writes: >Bought a Tri-Pacer last year. Got a fairly good deal on it and it has been >a good airplane. Now it is annual time. It has been in the Mechs. hanger >for 2 weeks now (The only AP, I/A in Heber, Utah). No major squaks, just >a couple of minor fabric repairs around inspection holes, and replace brake >linings.. The rest of the time supposedly spent on "routine annual checks. >" O.K. so where am I going with this?? Here's the good part - they >are approaching 80 hours of labor at $42.50 / hour!!!! The mechanics have >you by the balls with these certified airplanes. This is our first and >LAST annual we will ever pay for. Half the price of a KR down the drain >#%%!##^*&##!! I will stop whinning now. Just had to vent before there >is one less I/A around. > >Ben D. Over!!! > Been there and had it done to me as well. Worse yet, I've had them insist on a top overhaul for 1 slightly anemic jug. Engine was put back together with std rings on oversized pistons, etc. After having FAA blessed mechanics screw me over and darn near kill me twice, I haven't let a mechanic near my plane without my supervision in 15 years. If the local one won't sign for my work, it either doesn't go in the log or I will find a mechanic I can work with. I have also flown for several years without the benefit of an FAA blessed annual because I couldn't find a mechanic I could work with for the price I could pay. Now that I have finished my KR, I can fly and stay reasonably close to legal. Jeff "What ....me... a pirate" Scott - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:35:54 +0000 From: Steve Bennett Subject: Re: KR: Newbie with 1/2 vw question Look at the Kohler V twin before deciding on the 1/2 vw as an engine of choice. Sb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:39:34 +0000 From: Steve Bennett Subject: Re: KR: Kitplanes subscription I tried this once also from school kids and never received the subscription after paying, even though I provided the receipt to KitPlanes. Suspicious. S. bennett ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:56:31 -0500 From: george bell Subject: Re: KR: Bend Over > Been there and had it done to me as well. Worse yet, I've had them > insist on a top overhaul for 1 slightly anemic jug. Engine was put back > together with std rings on oversized pistons, etc. After having FAA > blessed mechanics screw me over and darn near kill me twice,.... > Jeff "What ....me... a pirate" Scott > ------- > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > jscott.pilot@juno.com > See N1213W construction and first flight at > http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: > //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > > | Been there, AP, IA put a 15 thousands oversized piston in a 10 thousands oversized cylinder on my Cessna T207. Did not make it back to John Wayne Airport. Landed in Mile Squar Regional Park a few miles from the airport. Had to replace the engine and my shorts. George Bell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 19:22:40 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Letters Nov issue In the Letters section of the Nov issue Roger Russell writes in about the comparison of the Avtech Jabiru ST vs the C-150 and how he would rather spend the money on a C-150 and fly it now rather than spend time building! And he claiming that the homebuilt arena has becomes a rich man's game. Your rebuttal was something to the effect that most builders are motivated by the idea of building an aircraft rather than cost, I am here to tell you that you are WAY off! Roger is right! Money is the motivating factor behind more of us than you obviously realize! Please take a pole and find out! I have Sport Aviation magazines that date back to 1961 and up until 1982 or so the homebuilt focal point were aircraft (not motorized kites) that could be built for less than seven or eight thousand dollars. Now there are kits that cost upwards of $400,000! I am willing to bet if you were to take the combined cost of the three best Lancair 4P's that were at Oshkosh this year it would be higher than ALL the homebuilts combined that attended in,..say 1970! Somewhere I read today that Piper , Cessna or Beech just released a turbo prop that will sell for around 1.3 mil and they referred to it as getting back to "Grassroots Aviation" . 1.3 million is grassroots aviation! Yea right! Im with Roger, I would spend $20k on a nice used C-150 WAY before I would spend $40k on an airplane that has the same performance! Its almost a no brainer, plus the fact the C-150 will increase in value and the Avtech Jabiru ST will more than likely be worth $5 or $6k in a few years. Oh yea and will this company be around to buy parts from 10 years down the road? VERY Doubtful! I think the homebuilt movement has really preceded in the wrong direction, heck you don't have to even build it yourself anymore, there are professionally built Lancairs, Glasairs, and RV's being pumped out of the Chino airport faster than Cessna is putting out C-172s! I think the 51 % rule is being violated in a major way and should be changed to something like 75 / 25 (you build 75%). Well as Roger said at the end of his letter "I don't expect you to print this either" but trust me there are a lot more of us out here that take this position than you think! Mike Mims Irvine California ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:05:45 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Re: Resin at low temperature Alessandro Pecorara wrote: > I wonder if filling > glassed surfaces when temperature is a bit low, may be acceptable Based on personal experience, epoxy mixed with micro is LESS likely to cure as fast as straight epoxy, if at all. I think that many manufacturers state that when mixing their epoxy with any other material (micro and flox), curing time may be extended. I figure some of the problem is caused by the insulating properties (of stuff like micro) lowering the temperature of the usual exothermic reaction that helps to cure epoxy, but I'm just guessing. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:45:00 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Re: Stepping on KR Wing Stubs Ron Lee wrote: > Michael, since you are using the hotwire foam method, are you trying to > make the area just outside the cockpit strong enough to step on? If so, > what did you do to reinforce that area? Ron, I used one of the wing tank baffles to support my stepping area, and it's really strong, without even the top skin in place yet. But I discovered after putting it on the gear that I can step in without even standing on the wing. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:51:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Macsky@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Bend Over I don't know why the IA's and AP's are doing this but I have had two certified aircraft go thru annuals for the past five years and have never had a problem. I average about $400 per year on my annuals. One is a Tri Pacer and one is a C182. I work with what I consider a fair amount of help year around to repair every problem that comes up, at the annual date the A+P and IA have become familiar with the airplane and don't have to start from scratch. Try it some time regular service with the same shop, it will help all the parties. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:02:26 -0400 (EDT) From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: KR: Accidents: homebuilt vs. spam can >>Oh well hang in there, 1000's of EXERIMENTALS fly every day and crash >> less often than spam cans. > >I agree... I've been isolated from co-workers (I work from home these >days... but I've gotten email from them. It's OK, I'm going as >Wrong Way rossy. I wish it were true. Dick Collins in Flying magazine had a column on accidents by type of plane a couple of years ago, and experimentals are about 9x as likely to have one. I mentioned to him in a letter that there should be a separate category for the first 40 hours, but apparently they don't keep the records that way. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:02:43 -0400 (EDT) From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Bend Over >A friend of mine decided to buy a cheep airplane to build time in, I think >he bought a Piper Pacer with a fresh annual. He flew it for X amount of >hours and then annual time came around. He had a few repairs in the fabric >(much like yours) and two cracked jugs that the Mechs said had been cracked >for a while. He spent enough on his first annual to rent a Piper Senaca III >for almost 3 times as many hours as he put on his Pacer and take an ATP >accelerated course. Needless to say it was a hard lesson for him. If you >want an example of what it can be like to own a certified plane, drive down >the road in your car and every fifty miles throw a 100 dollar bill out the >window. Yea, that's about right! :o) Of course, building a plane is like sitting in the garage throwing your money out the window before you even ride in the car. . . . Seriously, I've heard that you should never buy an airplane advertised as having a "fresh annual," because it was probably done as a favor by an A&P who was a friend of the seller. The sale should be conditional on an inspection by a mechanic YOU choose. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:02:29 -0400 (EDT) From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: John Denver >John seemed hot for a new toy and an EZ was in his sights. My limited >experience in EZs suggest smooth flying technique is a positive. The NTSB >will have the final word in a few months. I suspect I may hear somt'in >through the grapevine sooner than that. I hate to be cynical, but maybe it took the death of a major celebrity in a homebuilt to make the NTSB start paying much attention to their accidents. Most people paid no attention to AIDS until Magic Johnson showed that straight people could get it, and photographers have been invading people's privacy for years, but it didn't become a hot issue until Princess Di was killed. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:05:13 -0400 (EDT) From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Newbie with 1/2 vw question >>Say I have a two bladed propeller. Should I mount the propeller with >>the blades in the plane of the crank throws or perpendicular to that >>plane? I think I would try to mount a wooden propeller such that when the engine is shut off and comes to a halt, the prop is horizontal. I've read that horizontal propellers don't suffer effects of the weather as much. Since I think the engine would tend to stop with the pistons approaching compression, mounting it in the plane of the crank would be a good start, but the most accurate way would be to remount it during the engine test period so it's horizontal after the engine stops. As far as balance, etc., I don't see how prop position could matter. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:54:47 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: KR: KR-2 for Sale Netters, Looking for a bone stock KR-2 project? Just looked at this one this evening. Thought I would pass it along since it's not been advertised yet. If I had a little extra cash you wouldn't hear about it. Original builder deceased. This project is a real beauty. All wood work basically done. Best wood working job I've seen to date in a KR-2 - bar none. Has original Rand retract (positive pin locking mechanism installed) with mechanical brakes, but could very easily be retrofitted for fixed gear if desired. Horizontal stab. (with trim tab and Mac servo control installed) and rudder ready for paint. Some control components installed. Most materials to finish - factory premolds (forward deck, gas tank, canopy frame, rear deck, and wing tips). Foam and fiberglass included. Center spar installed with fittings, outer ones completed. Revmaster cowling. Brand new zero time Revmaster 2100D (75hp) with optional side oil drain on the case, Bendix dual-headed mag, starter, Rev-Flo carb., oil filter, oil cooler (mounted beneath engine), motor mount. Engine is clean, clean. Owner also has a zero time Revmaster 2100DT (turbo) - might sell this engine with the project instead of the 2100D - who knows? I'm trying to remember what I saw but I may be forgetting something else. Anyway, he's asking $5000.00 OBO. Located near Springfield, IL. His number is 217-623-4223. Ask for Dave. Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:44:49 -0700 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Re: Priming Foam >> >>Mike, >>If the wing will fail without it, then how do those planes using the >>Diehl >>wing skins fly? >> >>Is is just because the skins are thicker or something? >> >>Seems to me the sparcap to glass bond is the really important thing >>overall. This doesn't mean I don't think foam matters, because I do. >>ET, >>foam home. >> >>Robert Covington >> > >Robert, > >My Diehl skins have two layups of glass on the outside, 1/4 inch of foam >underneath it (except at the spars) with perferations through the foam >about 1 per square inch, then another layer of glass on the inside. The >ribs underneath are 1/4 inch plyfoam (1/4 inch foam with a layup of glass >on either side). This makes for a very strong wing skin and the ribs >help transfer the load as well as to shape the wing. I also used the >same technique on my inboard wing stub skins. They are strong enough for >me to stand on. I don't think you would want to try that on a set of >plans built wings. The plans built wing isn't necessarily stronger or >weaker, but is built with a slightly different technique. > >Jeff >------- >Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM >jscott.pilot@juno.com >See N1213W construction and first flight at >http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: >//www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm Thanks Jeff, Sounds like a done Diehl. :) Or would it be an over-done Diehl? Is all this foam optional? I wouldn't be walking on plans type wings either, unless there is something good underneath. I will most likely be going the plans route wing-wise, but if the Diehl skins are still available at that time, I might go for them. I plan to judiciously reinforce my wingwalk areas, and make them big enough to catch some of those (idiot) airshow wing walkers. I see kids hanging from pitot tubes on F-16's at some of the airshows, and occasionally props. Unbelievable that the parents don't say anything. My girlfriend loves jumping on their case. Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 02:32:46 -0400 (EDT) From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: KR: Re: Priming Foam >> At 09:57 PM 10/15/97 -0700, Donald Reid wrote: >> why it doesn't matter whether you use styrofoam or urethane, with its much >> lower peel strength, and why it doesn't matter how you stick the blocks of >> foam in the wings together -- foam, epoxy, hot-melt glue or chewing gum, if >> you were in the mood to use that, don't make a difference because the stuff >> is not structural. >> >The skin to foam bond is required and is in fact a structural element, it >> just doesn't need to be very strong. The air load on the wing has to be >> transferred to the spar. The foam is a vital element of that stress >> transfer. If you built a KR style wing, but with no bond between the foam >> and the glass skin, the wing will fail! The reason the joint does not >need >> to be very strong is that the air load, even at a high G, is spread out >> over a very large surface area. >> >> Thanks Don, I have been trying like heck for over two years to stop the >> rumor that the KR wing foam does nothing! The wing will fail without it, >> but some still do not believe it. Humm... what does it take? This is very useful info, and thanks for correcting my mistake. I knew that with no foam in there at all, the wing would fail from deformation, but not the details of how the skin-to-foam bond transfers the air load. However, the issue I originally started in this thread got lost in this discussion of stress transfer in the KR compared with the Long-EZ, etc., and that issue was that an A&P in the Newsletter who sounded like he knew what he was talking about suggested priming the foam with a micro & waterproof glue mixture and allowing it to dry before final sanding, which he claimed would produce a surface much less likely to soak up the epoxy resulting in a lighter wing and less money spent on epoxy. This procedure might reduce peel strength, but it's hard to believe it would reduce it anywhere near to the 0.174 #/in^2 that Don says is required. If anybody glassing foam out there has some time to spare, it would be worthwhile to make up a few test samples and see if the glue priming does give you a lighter bond and if any loss in strength is significant enough to matter. If I were doing it (and I guess I will eventually if no one else comes up with the answer), I'd glass several pieces of foam of equal thickness, cut out equal-sized chunks after hardening, and weigh them on an accurate scale. Then, of course, try to peel the glass off. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 04:17:32 -0400 (EDT) From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Newbie with 1/2 vw question >>Say I have a two bladed propeller. Should I mount the propeller with >>the blades in the plane of the crank throws or perpendicular to that >>plane? I think I would try to mount a wooden propeller such that when the engine is shut off and comes to a halt, the prop is horizontal. I've read that horizontal propellers don't suffer effects of the weather as much. Since I think the engine would tend to stop with the pistons approaching compression, mounting it in the plane of the crank would be a good start, but the most accurate way would be to remount it during the engine test period so it's horizontal after the engine stops. As far as balance, etc., I don't see how prop position could matter. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:43:09 -0700 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: Stub Wing Foam and stuff Ross Youngblood wrote: > > Has anyone used a hand power plainer? Dan > I bought a Black & Decker power plainer specificly for finishing up > the outer wing spars. This was about 5 years ago, I got a nice one > for about $70-80 I think, I bought a dust collector and a fence to get > a good 90deg angle (I think It's called a fence, perhaps a guide?) > At any rate it was about a $12 dollar accessory. > > > -- Ross > > -- >----------------Ross I had a craftsman power hand planer and it worked good for rough work. I had to be real careful or the blades would take off to much on each pass. I also had trouble keeping the blades even and straight. They kept wanting to plane on an angle. As long as I was real careful it worked fine. If you use one I would practice with it to be sure you know how much wood it will be cutting oneach pass. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - -------------------- > Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE > PIN#895-9073 > Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x > 1632 > Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) > Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 05:46:11 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: KRNet? At 12:07 PM 10/10/97 -0400, you wrote: > > >Isn’t it interesting that Monte just wrote me asking for the names and >addresses of all of the attendees…Gee, I wonder why? > >Randy > > Randy, I assume that you did share that information with Monte. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 05:46:12 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: KRNet? At 02:16 PM 10/10/97 -0700, you wrote: >At 12:07 PM 10/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Isn=92t it interesting that Monte just wrote me asking for the names and >>addresses of all of the attendees=85Gee, I wonder why? >> >>Randy >> > >Based on my first (and hopefully last) encounter with the infamous Monte, I >will disown you and the ride to the 98 or 99 gathering is off if you give >him that list! He aint here to do anyone any favors, free sharing of >information is not in his vocabulary. Needless to say he BUGS! > >________________________________ >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >=20 >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > Come on Guys... This is open group. As KR builders we share all. Because someone may not agree with us we still share and we care. The KR Newsletter is very valuable to a lot of builders. Without the newsletters I'm sure that there's a lot of KRs that would have never been completed, including mine. =20 Besides no one has ownership of the KR Gatherings. It's a open forum. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 97 13:41:22 ˙˙˙ From: steveb@aviation.denel.co.za Subject: Re: KR: KRNet? I agree fully Steve in South Africa - ---------- From: SMTP1@K1 - Server@Servers[] To: Cc: Subject: Re: KR: KRNet? Date: Friday, October 17, 1997 5:46AM At 02:16 PM 10/10/97 -0700, you wrote: >At 12:07 PM 10/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Isn=92t it interesting that Monte just wrote me asking for the names and >>addresses of all of the attendees=85Gee, I wonder why? >> >>Randy >> > >Based on my first (and hopefully last) encounter with the infamous Monte, I >will disown you and the ride to the 98 or 99 gathering is off if you give >him that list! He aint here to do anyone any favors, free sharing of >information is not in his vocabulary. Needless to say he BUGS! > >________________________________ >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >=20 >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > Come on Guys... This is open group. As KR builders we share all. Because someone may not agree with us we still share and we care. The KR Newsletter is very valuable to a lot of builders. Without the newsletters I'm sure that there's a lot of KRs that would have never been completed, including mine. =20 Besides no one has ownership of the KR Gatherings. It's a open forum. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 04:35:57 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: Bend Over >Seriously, I've heard that you should never buy an airplane advertised as >having a "fresh annual," because it was probably done as a favor by an A&P >who was a friend of the seller. The sale should be conditional on an >inspection by a mechanic YOU choose. Mike Taglieri I would, for the most part, have to agree with you. However, when I sold my beloved little Tripacer (to get out from under the ever-increasing annual costs), I advertised it for sale "with fresh annual". When I found a buyer, I did, in fact, take it to my "mechanic" (professional FAA-certified ripoff artist) and have the annual completed at a cost of $1,500 to me. So, sometimes the "fresh annual" is a *real* one because of an honest idiot like me. Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 04:48:09 -0700 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: Gyrocopter Flame Out Just a little piece of interesting information to share: My flying buddy here in Columbus, "Flash" Flaningan, was out flying his VW powered gyrocopter last weekend at the Fairfield County Airport Open House in Lancaster, OH, where I had my new KR-1 on display. During his second demonstration flight he was tooling around the departure end of the runway at about 500 feet when we all heard a little stutter come from his direction. He started making a sweeping turn to try to get into position for a landing when all of a sudden we heard a deafening SILENCE! Smoke started coming from his now dead engine, and he lined up with the runway and made a herky-jerky deadstick landing without injury or damage to the machine. We hopped into a car and dashed to the end of the runway (3/4 of a mile away from us), and found Flash standing there with some rather shaky-knees, glowering at his gyro. Upon inspection, which is pretty danged easy on a gyro, we noticed a hole in the engine block. A *huge* hole about the size of a saucer! THere were bits of broken connecting rod lying all around too. So it wasn't too hard to figure out he had thrown a rod through the engine casing. Man, the damage to the pusher prop was really bad too, which big gouges in it and chunks of wood missing from the leading edges of it. The last words I heard from his were, "Anyone want a good deal on a slightly used VW engine?" He is adamant about never using another VW engine, and has already found a Soob to put in the machine! A very fortunate day for Flash. He told us that during the emergency he kept hearing this voice in the back of his head screaming, "forward stick, forward, stick, keep the airspeed up...!" Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 07:05:04 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR: Seeking owner of KR2 Projec At 08:21 AM 10/16/97 -0400, you wrote: > Reply to: Seeking owner of KR2 Project > >Hello from a new KRNET subscriber. I'm hoping to have my curiosity satisfied about a KR2 project my father started at the end of the '70's and sold incomplete around 1984. > >He sold it to a guy in the Cleveland, OH area, possibly Rocky River, OH or other town on the west side of Cleveland. The buyer may have been an engineer at Union Carbide. The project was well along, with almost all of the wood work complete and some of the metal components fitted. > >I'm trying to find out if the project was ever completed and if the plane ever flew. > >Thanks! > > Rick, You might try contacting William "Wild Bill" Reents. Bill is a high time KR-1 pilot who lives in the Youngstown area, not terribly far from Cleveland. If the KR-2 ever flew, he just might know. He has a neat website where you can findhis e-mail address: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3050/ Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 07:44:10 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR: Bend Over At 12:02 AM 10/17/97 -0400, you wrote: >>A friend of mine decided to buy a cheep airplane to build time in, I think >>he bought a Piper Pacer with a fresh annual. He flew it for X amount of >>hours and then annual time came around. He had a few repairs in the fabric >>(much like yours) and two cracked jugs that the Mechs said had been cracked >>for a while. He spent enough on his first annual to rent a Piper Senaca III >>for almost 3 times as many hours as he put on his Pacer and take an ATP >>accelerated course. Needless to say it was a hard lesson for him. If you >>want an example of what it can be like to own a certified plane, drive down >>the road in your car and every fifty miles throw a 100 dollar bill out the >>window. Yea, that's about right! :o) > I owned a Piper Colt for about 6 years (sold it 2 years ago) and had a little different experience. If you do some scrounging around for an older A&P type who's not affiliated with a shop somewhere you may be better off. I did this. I was always allowed to do a lot of the dissassembling, reassembling and got to "help" him. I learned a lot from this. I had a few fabric repairs, mag and starter rebuilds but the annual never went over $350.00. Routine one was about $150 - $200. My per hour cost for flying was between $8.00-$10.00 for gas (auto), oil and insurance (liability only). Shared a hanger for $22.50 per month. > Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 06:41:06 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Transponder antenna I have always heard that the transponder antenna should be on the BOTTOM side of the airplane for best results (being seen on radar). Is this not as important on a non-metal airplane? I've heard that composite is 'transparent' to VHF signals, but what about wood framing and the control cables, etc. in the fuselage? Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 06:45:55 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: 'No Step' After my first experience climbing into a KR (Paul Martin's) and stepping on a "No Step" area even after his warning me carefully (too excited to pay attention)- I have to wonder why there isn't some reinforcement in the step area? Seems easy to do... maybe add a couple of small spruce strips or something. (By the way, I'm really sorry, Paul. I'll never forget that little 'crunching' sound, and I'm sure you cringed.) Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 06:50:11 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Paying mechanics I have never owned an aircraft, only rented, but it seems the cost of turning wrenches on certificated aircraft is a major part of the cost of owning and operating, and one of the BIG reasons I'm looking forward to my REPAIRMAN'S CERTIFICATE for working on my KR. Oh, and about the Tri Pacer- they are fun to fly, and actually amazing that they can do what they do. Problem is, they have the tailwheel on the wrong end. Pacers got it right, though. Oscar 'Super Cub' Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #131 *****************************