From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 1997 7:06 AM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n132' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #132 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Friday, October 17 1997 Volume 01 : Number 132 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:00:46 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Antennas revisited I would recommend... that is Highly recommend that everyone who is considering saving $$$$ on antennas buy either the $35.00 kit or $5.00 book from RST electronics. It makes a lot of sense. I have already glassed my fuselage so it's too late for me to put the antenna in the vertical stab... unless I cut it open or tape it on the outside. But the book spells out how to build your own antennas, and does a good job of it. These antennas flew around the world with Voyager... less the half dozen that were in the winglets. Jim Wier says in the book to look carefuly at Voyager in the Smithstonian. You may see the coax on the wingtips. (Recall that the winglets were damaged on the takeoff roll). At any rate, I got my kit yesterday. The book is well worth the $5.00 and for $35, I have more than enough material to make lots of antennas. -- Ross Austin Clark wrote: > > At 10:08 10/15/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi folks! I would like to know from the antenna specialists out there in the > >crowd how to set up a VHF antenna which will connect to my King KX-99 > handheld > >radio in a KR. > > > >I have the proper coax and have the correct BNC connector at the radio end > of > >the wire. At the antenna end of the coax I have a normal VHF whip-type > hard wire > >antenna that came off another airplane, and a pair of ceramic insulators. > > > >I plan on mounting the antenna behind the pilot, mounted upsidedown on an > >interior plywood mount, which will leave the whip antenna pointed down > inside > >the fuselage. > > > >I know the antenna gets soldered to the center wire of the coax. The braided > >shield is then twisted a little bit and soldered to a "ground plane" plate, > >right? > > > >OK. Then the questions I have are: > > > >1. What size should this "ground plane" plate be (12"x12"?), > > > >2. what material can I use for this plate (self-adhesive aluminum?), > > > >3. and about what vicinity to the whip part of the antenna should this > plate be > >mounted (in other words, how far away from the whip should this plate be)? > > > > > > BNC ,----------. whip > > coax / > > []==============================================: > > \ > > +------------------+ > > \ ground \ > > \ plane \ > > \ plate \ > > +------------------+ > > > >Thanks very much for your guidance. > > > >Ed Newbold > >Columbus, OH > > > > > > I visited RST's web site the other day and found they are selling an > antenna kit with enough material to make six antennas. They are constructed > from copper foil. The kit includes the foil and some coils. Included with > the kit is a booklet detailing the construction requirements of the various > antennas for aircraft. They sell it for $35.00 which includes S&H. I > ordered one and will give my opinion of it when it arrives. > > Austin Clark > Pascagoula, MS - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:05:41 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Re: Priming Foam Jeff, I heard that Ken Rand used to jump out of his KR and walk out along the wing as a demo. Of course I think he was lighter than I was, and he may have done a tightrope walk along the spar. I think if I did this, my planes wing would eventually tip to the ground as I walked out towards the edge. I don't think I would walk anywhere but on the spar caps unless I wanted to hear cracking noises. -- Ross Jeffrey E Scott wrote: > > > > >Mike, > >If the wing will fail without it, then how do those planes using the > >Diehl > >wing skins fly? > > > >Is is just because the skins are thicker or something? > > > >Seems to me the sparcap to glass bond is the really important thing > >overall. This doesn't mean I don't think foam matters, because I do. > >ET, > >foam home. > > > >Robert Covington > > > > Robert, > > My Diehl skins have two layups of glass on the outside, 1/4 inch of foam > underneath it (except at the spars) with perferations through the foam > about 1 per square inch, then another layer of glass on the inside. The > ribs underneath are 1/4 inch plyfoam (1/4 inch foam with a layup of glass > on either side). This makes for a very strong wing skin and the ribs > help transfer the load as well as to shape the wing. I also used the > same technique on my inboard wing stub skins. They are strong enough for > me to stand on. I don't think you would want to try that on a set of > plans built wings. The plans built wing isn't necessarily stronger or > weaker, but is built with a slightly different technique. > > Jeff > ------- > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > jscott.pilot@juno.com > See N1213W construction and first flight at > http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: > //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:08:59 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Member mailing difficulty I have had reocurring problems getting email to the following address, perhaps one of you KRNETTERS can try the address and tell me if it works. Please reply to me directly mailto:rossy@teleport.com, instead of to krnet-l steveb@aviation.denel.co.za Of course I could have a typo in this address, but teleport doesn't like to send any mail there, says that denel.co.za doesn't exist. - -- Thanks Ross KRNET-L admin - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:14:14 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Kitplanes subscription Steve Bennett wrote: > > I tried this once also from school kids and never received the > subscription after paying, even though I provided the receipt to > KitPlanes. Suspicious. S. bennett Sounds like a child con ring is running loose. :( - -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:22:43 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Antennas revisited At 08:00 AM 10/17/97 -0700, you wrote: >I have already glassed my fuselage so it's too late for me to put the >antenna in the vertical stab... unless I cut it open or tape it on >the outside. But the book spells out how to build your own antennas, >and does a good job of it. > I have already glassed my vertical too but plan to cut a slot in the leading edge for the coax and filling with flox. ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:43:46 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Accidents: homebuilt vs. spam can When I started to build my KR project. (In 1988) I was talking to everyone I could. One fellow employee had built a Long-Eze (The yellow one I mentioned earlier). He had found a snippet of statistics from Playboy, which of course we all read for the articles. :) At any rate, the piece had all kinds of statistics chances of getting hit by lightning/by a car etc. There was a 1 in 10 chance of getting killed in an experimental airplane. He just passed that on for my reaction. We later chatted about that first flight. He said that the first flight he was not too worried, he had a big party atmosphere at the airport, and had double checked every nut and bolt on the airplane and was pretty confident. He joked, it's every flight after that I worry. One time he was banking, and he heard a sllllide THUNK sound. This being unusual, he leveled of and turned back to the airport. Banking the other direction again the slllide THUNK sound. After he got on the ground, he tore into the access area and found a socket. He now has two sets of tools, and one is JUST for working on the airplane, if any tool is missing, the plane does not take off. (They are all marked with yellow stripes) > > >>Oh well hang in there, 1000's of EXERIMENTALS fly every day and crash > >> less often than spam cans. > > > >I agree... I've been isolated from co-workers (I work from home these > >days... but I've gotten email from them. It's OK, I'm going as > >Wrong Way rossy. > > I wish it were true. Dick Collins in Flying magazine had a column on > accidents by type of plane a couple of years ago, and experimentals are about > 9x as likely to have one. I mentioned to him in a letter that there should > be a separate category for the first 40 hours, but apparently they don't keep > the records that way. > > Mike Taglieri - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:52:33 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Transponder antenna The $5.00 book from RST electronics tells all. You can place the XPONDER antenna inside the aircraft, pointing down, with a small ground plane dish. The $5.00 book from RST describes how to do this. If I posted here what I read, I think I would be cheating RST out of well earned $5.00. -- Ross Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > I have always heard that the transponder antenna should be on the BOTTOM > side of the airplane for best results (being seen on radar). Is this > not as important on a non-metal airplane? I've heard that composite is > 'transparent' to VHF signals, but what about wood framing and the > control cables, etc. in the fuselage? > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:53:21 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: [Fwd: Virtual Flying KR2] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------63DECDAD695678E213728473 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com - --------------63DECDAD695678E213728473 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from mail1.hookup.net (mail1.hookup.net [165.154.105.5]) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA02119 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 06:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paladin (ts4-d230.mon.atcon.com [207.179.141.230]) by mail1.hookup.net (8.8.6/1.25) with SMTP id JAA23876 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971017135455.0066d9a4@mail.mon.auracom.com> X-Sender: jsellars@mail.mon.auracom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:54:55 -0300 To: rossy@teleport.com From: Jim Sellars Subject: Virtual Flying KR2 Dear Rossy; I have been having trouble sending this note to the people on our net, I have tried to readdress the note but seem to be still having trouble. Anyway I'm interested if anyone has the information to imput into the Flight Sim. to create a craft that will act like a KR2 similar to the way that the Lionheart people have done with the Beachcraft look alike, on their home page. Would you be able to look into the trouble with the net and the way I'm getting at it. Is there upper case in the address or something ? If you could let me know. Would you be able to put my message about the KR2 data for the simulator out there also ? Regards: Jim - --------------63DECDAD695678E213728473-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:57:35 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Accidents: homebuilt vs. spam can At 08:43 AM 10/17/97 -0700, you wrote: Oh well hang in there, 1000's of EXERIMENTALS fly every day and crash >> >> less often than spam cans. >> I wish it were true. Dick Collins in Flying magazine had a column on >> accidents by type of plane a couple of years ago, and experimentals are about >> 9x as likely to have one. I mentioned to him in a letter that there should >> be a separate category for the first 40 hours, but apparently they don't keep >> the records that way. Gee man I am trying to keep the confidence level up and you aint helping! :o) ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:59:32 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Last Tuesday Outage Teleport had a minor 37 minute outage Tuesday last week, No mail was lost, but the main server outage meant that there may have been a 40 min delay in krnet messages. - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:09:22 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: KR PINS John Bouyea had bought some nifty KR pins from an outfit called Oshkosh Personalizing. I called directory assistance for Oshkosh and... no listing. Anyone heard of these folks out there? I thought I would commission a KRNET pin. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:17:23 -0700 From: David Moore Subject: KR: 0-290 modifications I have a 0-290 in the barn I purchased at an auction. I remember a publication dealing with modifying a GPU for aircraft use. Does anyone know where I can get a copy of this book? Dave Moore ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:35:03 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Website Will be moving soon I'ts official... I've paid the bills with your donations and there is now a KRNET.ORG domain. Teleport has set this up, but for now the website is not up and running. To make a long story short, the test page is now at http://www.teleport.com/~krnet but once we can get http://www.krnet.org working then I will start setting up the disks for storage there. -- Regards Ross ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:03:57 -0700 From: Ross Subject: KR: Admin Stuff--Move In Progress -- This shouldn't impact any krnet-l subscribers, I just wanted to post just in case somthing does gets hosed up... (Change is evil when it comes in software.) I have requested that KRNET-L be moved from its current owner rossy@teleport.com (Thats ME) to krnet@krnet.org (Thats ME too at least today) (This email is the same as krnet@teleport.com) The idea here is to set things up so that KRNET can have a life of it's own. We can change administrators etc, and the admin email address will remain krnet@krnet.org. I'm still checking to see if anything else changes. I think that we will still use krnet-l@teleport.com, not krnet-l@krnet.org. My guess is that this is a real MESS to set up. Can't have everything, I will keep you posted. If krnet-l@krnet.org works, then krnet-l@teleport.com should also work, but I am waiting an answer on how that will be setup. You shouldn't see any difficulties, however if anything does go wrong you now have a new email address to complain too. When Mike Graves requested the transfer a year ago (from him to me) this took about six weeks, now however Teleport has a person just to handle this type of thing so it should be faster. I have to sneak time during my KR project, family and work to get this stuff moving, so it runs at a snails pace. So far I am not aware that ANYTHING will be different... this is just a heads up that behind the scenes things are moving. If someone trips over a powercord at Teleport during the process, I'll let everyone know. -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 19:05:51 From: Austin Clark Subject: Re: KR: Accidents: homebuilt vs. spam can At 08:57 10/17/97 -0700, you wrote: >At 08:43 AM 10/17/97 -0700, you wrote: >Oh well hang in there, 1000's of EXERIMENTALS fly every day and crash >>> >> less often than spam cans. > >>> I wish it were true. Dick Collins in Flying magazine had a column on >>> accidents by type of plane a couple of years ago, and experimentals are about >>> 9x as likely to have one. I mentioned to him in a letter that there should >>> be a separate category for the first 40 hours, but apparently they don't keep >>> the records that way. > > >Gee man I am trying to keep the confidence level up and you aint helping! :o) > >________________________________ >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > I watched a segment on a CBS news feed right after John Denver's crash and the reporter said that experimental aircraft (he may have said homebuilt) have only a slightly higher accident rate than certified GA aircraft. This surprised me because I expected the report to be negative on homebuilts. I don't know if the segement actually aired though. Austin Clark Pascagoula, MS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 19:33:45 From: Austin Clark Subject: KR: Rudder Pedals I am getting ready to build my rudder pedals and am having trouble bending the tubing according to plans. I am considering a welded fabrication either with the tubing or building the thing from aluminum. Would like to hear some ideas and suggestions. I built the brake pedals and brackets (modification kit from Wicks) this week and they turned out nice. I could use 1/2" aluminum conduit as the "shaft" welded to 1-1/2" x 1/8" aluminum flat stock for the vertical and another piece of 1/2" aluminum conduit welded at the top of the flat stock for the "pedal" and fabricate poly bearings for the "shaft" and the brake pedals. Any thoughts pro or con? Thanks, Austin Clark Pascagoula, MS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:31:08 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Fw: oilite bearing H.K.Myer, Jr. wrote: > Hi Mark: > > Beemer Precision owns the registered trademark "OILITE". Trademarks have to be protected and we seek violators of our mark where ever we can. This is a quick note asking you to cease and desist from using our trademark on any of your materials or websites. > > Thank you for the consideration. As if being intolerant and insensitive weren't enough, I'm now a copyright infringer! So I guess "mum"s the word from now on regarding this particular brand of oil impregnated bearing. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:49:20 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Fw: 1997 KR Gathering Pix Mark Lougheed wrote: > My photos of the 1997 KR Gathering at Perry are now posted at the > following address. Check 'em out! > > http://pacific.telebyte.com/~norsco/97gath.html > > Pass this URL along to the KR-Net if anyone is interested. > > Mark D. Lougheed > MDLougheed@wport.com I'll add the link to my page eventually. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:45:18 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Re: Virtual Flying KR2 Jim Sellars wrote: >I'm interested if anyone has the information to imput into > the Flight Sim. to create a craft that will act like a KR2 similar to the > way that the Lionheart people have done with the Beachcraft look alike, Jim, In a rare moment of marketing genius, I actually came up with this scheme. I have a brother-in-law who's obsessed with FS, and he asked me for the numbers. I've only flown the flight simulator a few times (I own 3.0, I think) but since I always end up with a broken windshield after crashing, I've learned to avoid it. Actually, while in training for my license, I found it to be counterproductive, since it taught me to look for flight instruments in the wrong places. Not to say that it's not great stuff, but it wasn't for me. And I hear more recent versions are far better (don't want to go down that road either!). Anyway, I can't even find the floppies for that anymore, so I'll bet if you'd publish the parameters that the "custom" airplane requires, we could come up with it collectively. I'm not sure if "pitch sensitivity" is considered, however... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:53:18 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR: Accidents: homebuilt vs. spam can Austin Clark wrote: > I watched a segment on a CBS news feed right after John Denver's crash and > the reporter said that experimental aircraft (he may have said homebuilt) > have only a slightly higher accident rate than certified GA aircraft. This > surprised me because I expected the report to be negative on homebuilts. I > don't know if the segement actually aired though. NBC said that the rate was about the same as "commercially available general aviation aircraft". I was glad my wife was watching... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 22:18:31 -0500 From: John Roffey Subject: Re: KR: Rudder Pedals Austin Clark wrote: > > I am getting ready to build my rudder pedals and am having trouble bending > the tubing according to plans. I am considering a welded fabrication > either with the tubing or building the thing from aluminum. Would like to > hear some ideas and suggestions. I built the brake pedals and brackets > (modification kit from Wicks) this week and they turned out nice. > > I could use 1/2" aluminum conduit as the "shaft" welded to 1-1/2" x 1/8" > aluminum flat stock for the vertical and another piece of 1/2" aluminum > conduit welded at the top of the flat stock for the "pedal" and fabricate > poly bearings for the "shaft" and the brake pedals. Any thoughts pro or con? > > Thanks, > > Austin Clark > Pascagoula, MS > Just finnished with my rudder pedals Austin, and I used 4130 tubing recommended in the construction manual. I mitered the tubing and welded it with 4130 tig rod. They are very light and appear to be very strong and ridgid. My bearings were milled from nylon and I am happy with thier appearance and weight. The rudder/brake pedals I milled from 6061T6 raw aluminum 6" stock and this took a lot of lunch time at work but they are custom and light/strong. I borrowed the Piper design for my master cylinder mounting by putting parallel tabs on the 90 degree corners of the drivers side cross tubes and using Cleveland cylinders with a tang mount. Looks very clean and turned out to be light. A lot of work though, some of the pictures of others pedals look to be very light/clean and much simpler, check out the web sites and you will see a few of the other builders pedals. John Roffey KR2S/ Subaru jeroffey@tir.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 22:27:03 -0400 (EDT) From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Accidents: homebuilt vs. spam can In a message dated 97-10-17 21:51:47 EDT, you write: << He now has two sets of tools, and one is JUST for working on the airplane, if any tool is missing, the plane does not take off. (They are all marked with yellow stripes) >> This is a GREAT practice and should be adopted by all who can afford it. This is the way the military maintenance and government production contractors control their tools (or at least are supposed to). It keeps you from leaving that socket wrench on top of the engine when you close the cowl. For the REALLY energetic, make foam cutouts for your tools in your tool box, and paint the inside of the cutouts blaze orange. That way if a tool is missing, the blaze orange hole where it belongs catches your attention. Cheers! Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:25:05 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Transponder antenna On Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:52:33 -0700 Ross Youngblood writes: >The $5.00 book from RST electronics tells all. > >You can place the XPONDER antenna inside the aircraft, pointing down, >with a small ground plane dish. The $5.00 book from RST describes >how to do this. If I posted here what I read, I think I would be >cheating RST out of well earned $5.00. > > -- Ross >Oscar Zuniga wrote: >> >> I have always heard that the transponder antenna should be on the BOTTOM >> side of the airplane for best results (being seen on radar). Is this >> not as important on a non-metal airplane? I've heard that composite is >> 'transparent' to VHF signals, but what about wood framing and the >> control cables, etc. in the fuselage? >> >> Oscar Zuniga >> Medford, Oregon >> My Xponder antenna is mounted as Ross describes about, but since I don't have a Xponder yet, I can't report ont he performance. My comm antenna is mounted into the leading edge of the vertical stab. It works well with the exception of some diminished range if I'm communicating with another plane that is directly behind me. Since I have a removeable vertical steel rod through my rudder hinges and the rod spans the height of the front of the rudder, I attribute the attenuated signal to reflections from that rod. Jeff - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:18:24 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: [Fwd: Virtual Flying KR2] >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:54:55 -0300 >To: rossy@teleport.com >From: Jim Sellars >Subject: Virtual Flying KR2 > >Dear Rossy; I have been having trouble sending this note to the people >on our net, I have tried to readdress the note but seem to be still having >trouble. Anyway I'm interested if anyone has the information to imput into >the Flight Sim. to create a craft that will act like a KR2 similar to the >way that the Lionheart people have done with the Beachcraft look alike, on >their home page. Would you be able to look into the trouble with the net >and the way I'm getting at it. Is there upper case in the address or >something ? If you could let me know. Would you be able to put my message >about the KR2 data for the simulator out there also ? >Regards: Jim > > OK Jim, I'll take the challenge. If you can send me a list of exactly what data you want, I'll try to collect all of the proper numbers for you. Gee, wouldn't be te4rrible to have to go fly my plane some more to research better numbers? Oh darn. But what the heck. If it's in the name of research, I'll do it. :o) If you have a spreadsheet or something along that line, please send it to my business address "jscott@LANL.gov" since my home e-mail "juno" is text only. Simulated tailwinds and MSBlue skies, Jeff Scott - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 19:40:11 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Fw: oilite bearing At 08:31 PM 10/17/97 -0500, Mark Langford wrote: > H.K.Myer, Jr. wrote: > >> Hi Mark: >> >> Beemer Precision owns the registered trademark "OILITE". Trademarks have to be protected and we seek violators of our mark where ever we can. This is a quick note asking you to cease and desist from using our trademark on any of your materials or websites. >> >> Thank you for the consideration. > > >As if being intolerant and insensitive weren't enough, I'm now a copyright infringer! Mark I was thinking of using OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE bearings on my homebuilt. Man that felt good! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 19:46:05 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Accidents: homebuilt vs. spam can At 10:27 PM 10/17/97 -0400, EagleGator@aol.com wrote: This is a GREAT practice and should be adopted by all who can afford it. > This is the way the military maintenance and government production >contractors control their tools (or at least are supposed to). It keeps you >from leaving that socket wrench on top of the engine when you close the cowl. > Oh what fond memories you stir! Rick,.. imagine this, an F-4 ready to cat and a 1/2 inch box end wrench laying on top of the instrument panel visor. F-4 launches wrench does the same only towards the face of the Phantom Driver! Keep track of your tools! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: 18 Oct 1997 12:44:30 +0900 From: Mouse@heiwa.com Subject: Re: KR: Fw: oilite bearing KR>At 08:31 PM 10/17/97 -0500, Mark Langford wrote: KR>> H.K.Myer, Jr. wrote: KR>> KR>>> Hi Mark: KR>>> KR>>> Beemer Precision owns the registered trademark "OILITE". Trademarks have KR>to be protected and we seek violators of our mark where ever we can. This KR>is a quick note asking you to cease and desist from using our trademark on KR>any of your materials or websites. KR>>> KR>>> Thank you for the consideration. KR>> KR>> Man you would think this guy would be happy to see the name "OILITE" being talked about on the WEB. What better advertisement, then word of mouth over the internet. Especially when it's a favorable recommendation. Some people I swear. Does MR. Myer want to continue a business. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Oct 1997 12:48:54 +0900 From: Mouse@heiwa.com Subject: Re: KR: Fw: oilite bearing KR>At 08:31 PM 10/17/97 -0500, Mark Langford wrote: KR>> H.K.Myer, Jr. wrote: KR>> KR>>> Hi Mark: KR>>> KR>>> Beemer Precision owns the registered trademark "OILITE". Trademarks have KR>to be protected and we seek violators of our mark where ever we can. This KR>is a quick note asking you to cease and desist from using our trademark on KR>any of your materials or websites. KR>>> KR>>> Thank you for the consideration. KR>> KR>> KR>>As if being intolerant and insensitive weren't enough, I'm now a copyright KR>infringer! KR>Mark I was thinking of using OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>OILITE bearings on my homebuilt. Man that felt good! KR>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ KR>Micheal Mims KR>Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. KR>mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net KR>http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims I wonder if you sent a bill to Mr. Myer for a new Keyboard after wearing out the E, I,L, and T keys, what his reaction would be. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Oct 1997 12:51:28 +0900 From: Mouse@heiwa.com Subject: Re: KR: Fw: oilite bearing KR>KR>At 08:31 PM 10/17/97 -0500, Mark Langford wrote: KR>KR>> H.K.Myer, Jr. wrote: KR>KR>> KR>KR>>> Hi Mark: KR>KR>>> KR>KR>>> Beemer Precision owns the registered trademark "OILITE". Trademarks h KR>KR>to be protected and we seek violators of our mark where ever we can. Thi KR>KR>is a quick note asking you to cease and desist from using our trademark o KR>KR>any of your materials or websites. KR>KR>>> KR>KR>>> Thank you for the consideration. KR>KR>> KR>KR>> KR>KR>>As if being intolerant and insensitive weren't enough, I'm now a copyri KR>KR>infringer! KR>KR>Mark I was thinking of using OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OIL KR>KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>KR>OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE OILITE KR>KR>OILITE bearings on my homebuilt. Man that felt good! KR>KR>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ KR>KR>Micheal Mims KR>KR>Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. KR>KR>mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net KR>KR>http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims KR>I wonder if you sent a bill to Mr. Myer for a new Keyboard after wearing KR>out the E, I,L, and T keys, what his reaction would be. Forgot to mention the "O" key too. ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #132 *****************************