From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 1997 7:07 AM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n135' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #135 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Monday, October 20 1997 Volume 01 : Number 135 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 14:48:29 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Fw: KR-2 A 1:1 mix ratio (volume) is required for HEXEL structural adheasive. I would mix two dixie cups worth by volume and use it up. So far all my test blocks passed. (I've saved some from about 8 years ago, and will break them someday...) -- Ross Donald Reid wrote: > > Mark Langford wrote: > > I got this message from a KR2 builder. I offered other suggestions, like > > the $63 postal scale, but I'm still looking for the equal part epoxy for > > him. Does anybody know of one? > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > email at langford@hiwaay.net > > KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > 1) I don't know of a 1/1 epoxy for the glass work. All seem to be in various > ratios near 3/1. > 2) For what its worth, I think that if you are building from scratch, no > prefrab components, you will save enough money in the long run to pay for a > good adjustable ratio pump. I have wasted a lot of small batches of epoxy > with the balance beam method of mixing. You always seem to get too much. > If you are interested, it is possible to build your own ratio pump using the > WEST pumps as a starting point. Look at a commercially available ratio pump > setup, they are not very complicated. > > -- > Don Reid > mailto:donreid@erols.com > http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 14:49:23 -0700 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Fw: KR-2 & 1 to 1 epoxy Another vote for AEROPOXY.... it also wets Kevlar too. MARVIN MCCOY wrote: > > Mark Langford wrote: > > > > NetHeads, > > > > I got this message from a KR2 builder. I offered other suggestions, like > > the $63 postal scale, but I'm still looking for the equal part epoxy for > > him. Does anybody know of one? > > > > > My name is Charlie Reeves (CWReeves@juno.com)in Tucson AZ. I am building > > > a KR-2 aircraft and am in the process of sanding foam shaping the wings. > > > I'm looking for a good equal part epoxy to use for wetting out the fiber > > > glass material. I haven't got an expensive mixer and really don't want > > > to buy one. Do you have any suggestions? > > > > > >Thanks, Charlie > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > email at langford@hiwaay.net > > KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------- > Charlie: > I only know of one type of epoxy that mixes one to one and that > is a Shell oil product called Epon. It is rather thick and was one of > the first generation of epoxies used in the construction industry. It > is not the best stuff to use on glass. I think Mims is right if you > don't want to buy a pump, the Aeropoxy 3 to 1 mix by volume is probably > the best way to go. Aeropoxy is also a newer mix of epoxy and much > safer to use then the old epoxies. It wets out glass very nice also. > For what its worth. > > Marvin McCoy > Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field > Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net > ------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 14:55:36 -0700 From: Ross Subject: KR: Progress Report Whew! I'm sick and tired of painting... good thing too, the fuselage is done and ready for transport back to the hangar! I spent yesterday peeling the protective covering off my plexiglas canopy. Hmm, probably shouldn't have let all that resin drip onto it, kinda made it hard to peel off. More like chip off. Winners: Electrical Tape -- after 4 years NO problem peeling off. Loosers: Duct Tape -- Even over the protective cover, it seemed to stick to the plexiglass. (I had two small 1cm sq areas, but thought I'd share this) Painting on my back. -- Boy, Found new muscles I didn't know I had. - --------------------------------------------- So... I put the project on the scale (one so far, I had a family event pre-empt the other side). We are at 220#, I'm guessing that that means 440# on the mains and about 10# on the tail.. WINGS & Cowling off. I'm' guessing 60# per wing (based on some emails last year I vaguely recall), and 5# for the cowling, that puts my empty weight at about 575# or so. I'm hoping to come in under this... but we shall see. - -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:16:47 -0400 From: "Alan Moat" Subject: KR: setting wing incidence I am ready to outline the ribs on my fuselage. I plan to set them at 2.5 degrees. When I set the angle should I keep the main spar in contact with the lower longeron and adjust with the rear spar? Alan Moat flowery branch taom@randomc.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:33:19 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: TEST TEST TEST At 02:29 PM 10/19/97 -0700, Ross wrote: >I haven't seen any bounced emails from you, so they must not be >getting through to Teleport. They were mucking with the mail servers >earlier this week, so perhaps that is it. >-- Ross > Could be on my end. I sent myself a file (to my work email address) and it came about 5 days later! Should have used snail mail! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:34:55 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: setting wing incidence At 06:16 PM 10/19/97 -0400, Alan Moat wrote: >I am ready to outline the ribs on my fuselage. I plan to set them at 2.5 >degrees. When I set the angle should I keep the main spar in contact with the lower longeron and adjust with the rear spar? > >Alan Moat >flowery branch >taom@randomc.com > Thats what I did. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:54:40 -0600 From: Doug Hearn Subject: KR: auto electric prob Hi all...not a KR message, sorry, I'm having trouble with my '85 Honda Civic's instrument cluster lighting. Maybe someone can help? All instrument lights themselves work--but the lights that illuminate the whole cluster at night when headlamps are on do not work...checked bulbs, replaced socket assmblys with known working ones, I even know that the sockets and their surfaces on the circuitry plates are hot. Any ideas what to try next--this may be easy for some of you but I know nothing about electricity other than I HATE to get shocked! Doug Hearn-Ottawa, IL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:03:48 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Kitplanes subscription At 11:17 AM 10/15/97 -0700, you wrote: >My daughter sells magazine subscriptions for her school every year. > >I'm pretty skeptical about the pricing of these fund raising things >but this year I compared and saved about $10 on my kitplanes >subscription renewal. > >Keep on the lookout for those kids in your neighborhood, and sign up >with them. I think I paid $17 or so. ... if you don't find one by >next year... let me know, and I can sell my daughter some more magazines >then. It's too late for this year. > > -- Ross >-- Ross, Post it whenever it is available, I may be in the market. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:23:44 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Antenna Stuff (CONT) At 01:06 PM 10/15/97 -0700, you wrote: >Ed, > >I just ordered the book and kit from RST electronics on building my >own antenna... the kit is $39, but the book is only $5.00. I will >comment after I've read it. For now their homepage is >http://www.rst-engr.com (I think). > >The com manual I have suggests that the antenna be placed in the center >of a 42" diameter ground plane. This is not for a whip antenna, but >for a spam can mounted blade type (I think). > >I expect the RST book to answer my COMM need. > >I have a question on a Transponder antenna. I have this approx 3" long >stub with a ball on the end, and wonder what type of ground plane it >would like... > > -- Ross >-- > Ross, On a transponder you need as large a ground plane as possible, but 12" diameter ground plane will do. As far as using a whip antenna inside of a KR... That would be OK but not great unless you have a large ground plane. How large? Well that's based upon the quality of you whip antenna. Personally, I would make antenna following Weir's instructions. I did and both VHF and UHF work great. The process can be simple and you will be happy with the antenna(s). Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:23:46 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Painting At 09:33 PM 10/15/97 -0700, you wrote: >Mark Pierce wrote: >> >> Hang in there Ross. Just pull the tapes as quickly as you can after >> applying the trim color. > >This is a for what it's worth, no personal experience. A guy at the local >EAA chapter who paints A/C all the time says to use the fine line tape >on all trim, wait a bit (his words, about 4 hours) before pulling tape. >He says it "rolls over" and needs nothing else. > > >Don Reid >mailto:donreid@erols.com >http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm > Please, Please, Please don not use masking tape. Use only 'FineLine' tape when doing any pin stripping or edgeing(ie paint to plexaglass). My experience is to pull the tape off as soon as you feel that the surface is tackfree. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:30:07 -0700 From: Peter Hudson Subject: Re: KR: colored plexi or lexan Micheal Mims wrote: > Also I don't plan on spending the extra $$$ on expensive strobes and plan to > use a heavy duty flasher from a older US built auto to flash a single > element brake light bulb in a red lens (beacon / anti-collision) atop the > vertical (or inside the vertical, ala F-18) Should work just fine. Thoughts? Mike, Check the regs if you plan to use it at night. The anti-collision lights have to be visible from enough angles that I don't think a single fin mounted strobe would work. Also you need 400 candle power and I think the flash rate is specific. Aircraft spruce catalog has the regs called out in there lighting section. If it's just for daytime (trying to be seen) than anything goes. - -Peter Hudson- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:54:12 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Re: Priming Foam At 07:36 PM 10/15/97 -0700, you wrote: >At 09:57 PM 10/15/97 -0700, Donald Reid wrote: > why it doesn't matter whether you use styrofoam or urethane, with its much >lower peel strength, and why it doesn't matter how you stick the blocks of >foam in the wings together -- foam, epoxy, hot-melt glue or chewing gum, if >you were in the mood to use that, don't make a difference because the stuff >is not structural. >>> >>> Mike Taglieri >> >>The skin to foam bond is required and is in fact a structural element, it >just doesn't need to be very strong. The air load on the wing has to be >transferred to the spar. The foam is a vital element of that stress >transfer. If you built a KR style wing, but with no bond between the foam >and the glass skin, the wing will fail! The reason the joint does not need >to be very strong is that the air load, even at a high G, is spread out >over a very large surface area. > >Thanks Don, I have been trying like heck for over two years to stop the >rumor that the KR wing foam does nothing! The wing will fail without it, >but some still do not believe it. Humm... what does it take? >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > I'm sorry but if you have experimented with urethane foam you will know that any pressure against urethane foam will cause compression in the foam. Once compressed, it does not return to it's original state. When pulling the foam apart, it tears at the surface. Therfore, it stands to reason that a wing built with urethane foam could not have any real strenght gain from the bond between the fiberglass and the foam. Sure the foam helps hold the shape of the wing. I'm not convinced that the wing would not fail due to the failure of the bond. If you use surry or micro to better the bond between the foam and fiberglass, wouldn't seem reasonable that the bond between the surry or micro and the foam could also fail due the weakless of the urethane. As a result of this reasoning is why I decided to use Wing Skins, besides they have better protection against ultarviolet sun rays. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 11:50:20 -0700 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: colored plexi or lexan Michael My "real" first crash of a R\C plane was a Bud Nosen 1/4 scale P-51. 3rd flight at a Big Bird fly-in in front of a thousand people. How hurt, mad, embarrassed I was. I was using a Super Tiger twin inline 60 and one of the cylinders went cold on me and could not get it to refire. Spun in like the real ones. John F. Esch Salem, OR Micheal Mims wrote: > At 09:10 PM 10/18/97 -0700, John F. Esch wrote: > >guys > > > >I know this might sound a little "way out there" but how about > >Monocote. I don't know if it will iron to the pexi or lex but you > can > >get it in red and green transparent colors. Monocote is used for > >covering R\C aircraft and if it would iron to pexi or lex and stay, > it > >could probably be used. Or what about using the paint they use to > paint > >R\C cars? It sprays on plastic and comes in a wide range of colors. > >I think I have spent too much time around R\C stuff, 15+ years. > > > >John F. Esch > > NO actually that's not a bad idea, I thought of the paint thing and > was > planing to proceed down that road if I couldn't locate any colored > plexi. > > Hey RCing is cool, I loved it and still do! I built and crashed my > first > control line model at age 11, finally got the hang of it the second > time > around! Graduated up to larger CL airplanes at age 13, built and flew > my > first "REAL" CL airplane at 14. I think it was called a Nobler? It > used a > K&B 30 and 60 foot cables! What a kick for a little kid! Got into > model > rocketry in Jr High and eventually became president of our club. Built > my > first radio controlled airplane called an Eaglet back in the 80's. I > must > have built 100s of RC planes after that! Great Planes Sporters, Kaos > and > Super Kaos, Telemasters, Top Flight Coursair and P-47, CG J-3 Cub, > and many > more! My 10 year old son is into RCs and CL models and I get a kick > out of > it! Needless to say my RC career came to a screeching halt when I > discovered REAL airplanes. Maybe some day I will have the time and > money > to get back into it. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:47:09 -0700 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Re: Priming Foam Bobby Muse wrote: > I'm sorry but if you have experimented with urethane foam you will know that > any pressure against urethane foam will cause compression in the foam. Once > compressed, it does not return to it's original state. When pulling the foam > apart, it tears at the surface. In point of fact, urethane foam at a density of 2 #/ft^3 has a compressive strength of 20 #/in^2 and a shear strenght of 36 #/in^2. For DOW Styrofoam, also at 2 #/ft^3, the compressive is 40 #/in^2 and shear is 22 #/in^2. In other words, you can push a 1 inch square surface of urethane foam at 20 pounds before it will deform. This is less than styrofoam. The shear strength is pulling parallel to the surface, not to be confused with peel strength, which is at an angle to the surface. In this mode, urethane is stronger than styrofoam. > Therfore, it stands to reason that a wing built with urethane foam could not > have any real strenght gain from the bond between the fiberglass and the > foam. Sure the foam helps hold the shape of the wing. I'm not convinced > that the wing would not fail due to the failure of the bond. If you do not bond the glass skin to the foam, then the wing will fail! No doubt and no question! The required strength is not very much because of the distributed loading, but the skin-to-foam bond MUST carry the air loads in shear. > If you use surry or micro to better the bond between the foam and > fiberglass, wouldn't seem reasonable that the bond between the surry or > micro and the foam could also fail due the weakless of the urethane. Yes it will fail in shear, but at the limit of the shear strength of the foam. This is just like wood failing near the glue line when the limit load of the wood is exceeded. In the case of the wing, this load will be much higher than the maximum load that would fail the spar, so it is not an issue. > As a result of this reasoning is why I decided to use Wing Skins, besides > they have better protection against ultarviolet sun rays. I may be out of my element on this one, but I think the UV protection is due entirely to the paint system and the UV protection that is built into it. > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:23:52 -0400 (EDT) From: LDeckert@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: setting wing incidence << At 06:16 PM 10/19/97 -0400, Alan Moat wrote: >I am ready to outline the ribs on my fuselage. I plan to set them at 2.5 >degrees. When I set the angle should I keep the main spar in contact with the lower longeron and adjust with the rear spar? > >Alan Moat >flowery branch >taom@randomc.com > Thats what I did. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims >> Me, too! I was lucky enough to be able to use the thickness of the firewall plywood as a shim. Larry Deckert Sandy, Ut ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 11:51:36 -0700 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: KR PINS I'll buy one John F. Esch Salem, OR LVav8r@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-10-19 10:31:51 EDT, Ross writes: > > << John Bouyea had bought some nifty KR pins from an outfit called > Oshkosh Personalizing. > > I called directory assistance for Oshkosh and... no listing. > > Anyone heard of these folks out there? > > I thought I would commission a KRNET pin. > > -- Ross > >> > > Hey Ross, > A friend of mine just showed me a catalog from a company that > makes > custom pins. That was 2 or 3 weeks ago but he probably still has it. > I'll > find out the name of the company and get a phone number and forward it > to you > as soon as I can. Sounds like a good idea and a way to raise a little > more $$ > to operate KRNet. I'll buy one! Anyone else? > > Tom Kilgore > Las Vegas, NV > LVav8r@aol.com > KR-2S 2% complete > __I__ > _______( X )_______ > o/ \o ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:14:04 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Fw: KR-2 I used a pair of large syringes I got from the local vet. Heck, they gave them to me. Since they were graduated on the sides with cc markings and held 90 cc each, it made calculating the ratios by volume very easy and almost foolproof. I had to clean the seal on the hardener syringe between uses, but other than that I just capped them when not in use. Jeff - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:15:33 -0700 Donald Reid writes: >Mark Langford wrote: >> I got this message from a KR2 builder. I offered other >suggestions, like >> the $63 postal scale, but I'm still looking for the equal part epoxy >for >> him. Does anybody know of one? >> Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >> email at langford@hiwaay.net >> KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford >> >> 1) I don't know of a 1/1 epoxy for the glass work. All seem to be >in various >ratios near 3/1. >2) For what its worth, I think that if you are building from scratch, >no >prefrab components, you will save enough money in the long run to pay >for a >good adjustable ratio pump. I have wasted a lot of small batches of >epoxy >with the balance beam method of mixing. You always seem to get too >much. >If you are interested, it is possible to build your own ratio pump >using the >WEST pumps as a starting point. Look at a commercially available >ratio pump >setup, they are not very complicated. > >-- >Don Reid >mailto:donreid@erols.com >http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:22:57 -0400 (EDT) From: ECLarsen81@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Fw: oilite bearing You were right Rossy! Signed me up! Ok, If Oilite doesn't want to take credit for the excellent track record these bearing types produce, there is another bearing type just as good or better! (My opion is better) This product is called "Graphalloy". You can find out more info about it on the web at "www.GRAPHALLOY.com". Hey, if nothing else, Use the name, they LIKE the advertising! Ed Larsen Mechanical Designer All the fun, Half the Money! In a message dated 97-10-19 17:05:18 EDT, you write: << I don't think you can use the term "Oilite" because "Oilite" is a trademarked term. That is, if you are at the hardware store and say the word "Oilite" as if you were asking for a product, and were not really looking for the "Oilite" product which is trademarked, you would be infringing on the trademark. Somewhere, there is a "Kleenix" box next to a "Thermos" and the person who own's these takes a gold star away from your name every time you do this. Micheal Mims wrote: > > At 08:31 PM 10/17/97 -0500, Mark Langford wrote: > > H.K.Myer, Jr. wrote: > > > >> Hi Mark: > >> > >> Beemer Precision owns the registered trademark "OILITE". Trademarks have > to be protected and we seek violators of our mark where ever we can. This > is a quick note asking you to cease and desist from using our trademark on > any of your materials or websites. > >> > >> Thank you for the consideration. > > > > > >As if being intolerant and insensitive weren't enough, I'm now a copyright > infringer! >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:25:36 -0400 (EDT) From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Posa Carbs >The carb on the engine I bought is a Posa with mixture adjustment, anyone >have experience with it? I've heard the horror stories about Posa, but have >also heard that some folks swear by them. If someone can tell me how, I'm >going to use it, otherwise I'll be in the market for another carb. Thanks >for your help! If you decide not to use it, please give me a call. I've been trying to buy one for awhile, but it seems whenever someone gets disgusted with one, he chucks in in the garbage without letting anyone know, so I never see used ones for sale. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:23:11 -0700 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: H.A.P.I. Engines Well the way the story goes, Rex Taylor sold HAPI Engines to Mosler Engines, (Mosler making a lot of promises). He is retired, and his son Patrick is now running Viking Aircraft (Dragonfly), just like they did before HAPI. Patrick says Rex is well, but is retired. Mosler is not supporting the HAPI engines, purchased before the by-out. I don't know if the book on "How to build a reliable Aircraft Engine" is still avialable. I know, I have a copy!;-) Dave Moore At 02:09 PM 10/19/97 -0700, you wrote: >Anton, > >I have a HAPI "How to build a reliable Aircraft Engine" if there is >anything you need form this, let me know and I can read up on it >and let you know. > >HAPI was bought out by Mosler Motors (I used to live about 50 miles >away from HAPI engines in Arizona). I think you should be able to >find them in Sport Aviation or Kitplanes in the Advertiser index. > >I will look for it and post if no-one else beats me to it. > > -- Ross > >PIERRE & ANTON FOUCHE' wrote: >> >> Hi Guys & Gals >> >> Anton here in South Africa >> I need some help concerning the H.A.P.I Engine. >> 1) Does H.A.P.I still exist, and if so can anybody in the US help me with >> an address, telephone number or e-mail address. >> 2) If H.A.P.I does not exist anymore is the anyone who can help me with >> specs >> and manuals etc. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> The reason I'm asking about the HAPI engine (This is going to make you >> sick) is >> that I bought a complete KR2 last night, it has been very lightly hail >> damaged on >> the turtal deck and horizontal stab but is definetally of championship >> constuction >> quality. The Aircraft is fully complete, has all instrumentation, radio and >> a HAPI >> engine, it is missing the starter, magneto's & prop. >> Here's the thing I only paid $3200 !!!! for the whole aircraft. >> >> I felt a bit like a thief because the chap I bought it from knows nothing >> about >> aviation, he bought it as a repossesion from a bank, and clearly didn't >> know the >> true value of the airplane, I paid him his asking price. >> >> All that aside I should have the airplane in the air before December, but >> am going >> strip down and rebuild the engine ebfore flying. >> >> Thanks again >> Kind Regards >> Anton "I'm so lucky" Fouche' >> P-I-F@pixie.co.za >> >> In South "El Nino is playing with the weather already" Africa. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 05:01:06 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Antennas revisited At 03:50 PM 10/16/97, you wrote: > >I visited RST's web site the other day and found they are selling an >antenna kit with enough material to make six antennas. They are constructed >from copper foil. The kit includes the foil and some coils. Included with >the kit is a booklet detailing the construction requirements of the various >antennas for aircraft. They sell it for $35.00 which includes S&H. I >ordered one and will give my opinion of it when it arrives. > >Austin Clark >Pascagoula, MS > I built and fly with RST's attenna. I put a com antenna in the vertical stab and a nav antenna in each wing. One of the nav antenna can be backup for the com. Actually both could be backup since I now have a GPS. I have simple tested radio using the nav antenna and could not tell much difference in voice quality but did not test the range. It's been five years now and they have always worked GREAT! Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 05:48:04 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: KR PINS At 09:09 AM 10/17/97 -0700, you wrote: >John Bouyea had bought some nifty KR pins from an outfit called >Oshkosh Personalizing. > >I called directory assistance for Oshkosh and... no listing. > >Anyone heard of these folks out there? > >I thought I would commission a KRNET pin. > > -- Ross >-- > I purchased my KR pin from Rand Robinson. It has the letters 'KR' in the middle of a pair of eagle wings. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 06:51:29 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR: H.A.P.I. Engines >I don't know if the book on "How to build a reliable Aircraft Engine" is >still avialable. I know, I have a copy!;-) > >Dave Moore > >>> Anton here in South Africa >>> I need some help concerning the H.A.P.I Engine. >>> 1) Does H.A.P.I still exist, and if so can anybody in the US help me with >>> an address, telephone number or e-mail address. >>> 2) If H.A.P.I does not exist anymore is the anyone who can help me with >>> specs >>> and manuals etc. >>> Anton "I'm so lucky" Fouche' Anton, Has someone suggested you contact Steve Bennett, Great Plains Aircraft Supply? He has an excellent manual on building up a VW engine. Ed Jnassen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 07:29:07 -0000 From: " Mike Filbrandt" Subject: KR: Wisconsin KR's This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_01BCDD29.D9B44940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KR Net, I tried to send this to the list last week, but I don't think it ever made it. Mike Mims also said that some of his posts weren't getting through either. I'm just making another attempt. Mike Filbrandt - ------=_NextPart_000_01BCDD29.D9B44940 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: " Mike Filbrandt" < redbaronflyrs@centuryinter.net> To: "KR-List" Subject: KR builders in/near Wisconsin Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:43:14 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KR-Netters, I bought a KR-1 project a while back that I am working on & have been here on the list for about 1-1/2 months. I was just wondering if there are any other KR builders or owners in my area. I'm near La Crosse, Wi. Any info on others around here would be greatly appreciated. Thanx in advance. Blue Skies, Mike Filbrandt - ------=_NextPart_000_01BCDD29.D9B44940-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:23:21 -0400 From: Patrick Flowers Subject: Re: KR: H.A.P.I. Engines David Moore wrote: > > Well the way the story goes, Rex Taylor sold HAPI Engines to Mosler > Engines, (Mosler making a lot of promises). He is retired, and his son > Patrick is now running Viking Aircraft (Dragonfly), just like they did > before HAPI. > Patrick says Rex is well, but is retired. Mosler is not supporting the HAPI > engines, purchased before the by-out. > I don't know if the book on "How to build a reliable Aircraft Engine" is > still avialable. I know, I have a copy!;-) Mosler is no more. It split into TEC(Total Engine Concepts), the engine manufacturer, located in Florida and Preceptor Aircraft, the airplane kit manufacturer, located in North Carolina. TEC markets its own line of VW-based conversions and I doubt that they will provide any support for HAPI engines. Mike's advice to check with Steve Bennett is probably the best way to go. With the exception of a bad batch of cranks(part of what lead to HAPI's demise as Rex was determined to make good on every one), the HAPI conversions were pretty straightfoward and reliable. Rex's sale to Mosler was a way out of a financial bind after the bad cranks and the WAR P-51 disaster. I've had the opportunity to chat at length with Bob Counts of Preceptor(designer of the Pup and Ultrapup aircraft and a fine gentleman, BTW) and the "promises" statement is right-on-the-money. Apparently, the guys who ran Mosler back then were great salesmen but horrible businessmen. The split is probably the best thing that could have happened as the two separate companies appear to have shaken off the troubles that plagued Mosler. Patrick - -- Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net The GMC Motorhome Page http://www.gmcmotorhome.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:19:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: KR: Re: KR-2 & 1 to 1 epoxy In a message dated 10/19/97 3:18:28 PM, you wrote: <> The epoxy I purchased from Rand Robinson was this Epon resin (1:1 ratio). As many times as I tried, I could not get a good layup with the stuff. Even when fully cured, the stuff was still pretty "soft". I finally scrapped the gallon + that I had because it is junk for layups. Do yourself a favor and use the AeroPoxy or some other brand. I took the plunge and spent the $229 for an adjustable ratio pump. Been kicking myself every time I use it for not doing it earlier. It's easy, fast, efficient and will most certainly pay for itself in the long run (based on the amount of epoxy you DON'T waste on each batch). Steve Horn Dallas, Texas Horn2004@ao-hell.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:24:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: setting wing incidence In a message dated 10/19/97 4:17:00 PM, you wrote: <> That's how I did it. I was concerned about this and made a call to RR, who directed me to Kevin Kelly. On his advice I let the back spar float until I got the correct incidence and then blocked the space under the longeron with some spruce. Steve Horn Dallas, Texas Horn2004@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:56:52 -0400 From: Patrick Flowers Subject: Re: KR: Member mailing difficulty Ross Youngblood wrote: > > I have had reocurring problems getting email to the following address, > perhaps one of you KRNETTERS can try the address and tell me if it > works. Please reply to me directly mailto:rossy@teleport.com, instead > of to krnet-l > > steveb@aviation.denel.co.za > > Of course I could have a typo in this address, but teleport doesn't > like to send any mail there, says that denel.co.za doesn't exist. Ross, Some ISP's insert the name of the sending mail server in the "From" header. Try sending a test email to steveb@aviation.co.za Patrick - -- Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net The GMC Motorhome Page http://www.gmcmotorhome.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:39:48 -0400 (EDT) From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: KR PINS Concerning the pins, An outfit was at the Rough River EAA fly-in last year and had several KR pins. I ended up buying four hat pins. The scheme is the red and white KR2 advertisement, it is of the airplane itself and is extremely neat. In addition to that they also had KR2 ear rings that my wife wanted, she's still not tired of my little toy. I'll try and contact the organizers of the fly-in and find out the outfits name. Dana Overall KR2616TJ@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 06:43:22 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Re: KR: Kitplanes subscription >Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:03:48 -0500 >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >From: Bobby Muse >Subject: Re: KR: Kitplanes subscription >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >At 11:17 AM 10/15/97 -0700, you wrote: >>My daughter sells magazine subscriptions for her school every year. >> >>I'm pretty skeptical about the pricing of these fund raising things >>but this year I compared and saved about $10 on my kitplanes >>subscription renewal. >> >>Keep on the lookout for those kids in your neighborhood, and sign up >>with them. I think I paid $17 or so. ... if you don't find one by >>next year... let me know, and I can sell my daughter some more magazines >>then. It's too late for this year. >> >> -- Ross >>-- > > >Ross, Post it whenever it is available, I may be in the market. > > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX > Ross; I canceled a bunch of my outdoors-type magazines about a year ago so I could concentrate on homebuilding stuff. Have your daughter put me on the waiting list for Kitplanes too... worth a 1-yr. trial. (Sorry, Mike Mims. I'm a reader!) Oscar Zuniga ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:38:25 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: http://www.krnet.org Howdy! I tested it this morning and our new domain http://www.krnet.org is alive! This should make it easier for folks to find us. The webpage is under construction... but I hope to have it cleaned up by the end of the week. If anyone wants to pitch in and author a page or two, we can email them back and forth, and I can post them. After all, KRNET is yours I just keep the mail flowing. (At the moment we are limited to 5Mb... I have to figure out how much $$$ to lay out for additional storage, or we could link over to the stuff at John's site. etc.) The site is paid up for 1 year, the domain name www.krnet.org is paid up for 2 years. Your donations at work -- Ross Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:05:02 -0400 (EDT) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: John Denver AVweb posting For those of you who aren't subscribed to AVweb's NewsWire here are some of the details concerning John Denver's fatal crash. I'm posting this because I know some of you are flying Long EZs and some of the info, particularly on canard failure is relevant. If your not interested, don't bother reading any further. Sorry for the length and the not quite KRNet related topic. From: AVweb's NewsWire SUNSHINE ON HIS SHOULDERS, JOHN DENVER DIES IN LONG EZ CRASH Singer and long time pilot and aviation enthusiast John Denver was the sole casualty Oct. 12 when his new-to-him Long EZ plunged into the waters off Monterey, Calif. Denver's death was confirmed after a morning of questions about the identity of the pilot. His body was so severely disfigured from the impact that it was impossible to visually identify. Denver was 53. AIRMAN DENVER: EXPERIENCED, VERSATILE, SERIOUS Born John Henry Deutschendorf, the young man who took the name John Denver had flying in his blood as an Air Force brat with a fighter jock, test pilot father. His dad taught him to fly in 1976 and he had qualified in sail planes, aerobatics, and was type rated in a Lear Jet he once owned. He actively and visibly supported and promoted general aviation. EAA awarded Denver its "Freedom of Flight" award in 1993 for his contributions to the association and GA. ON FINAL -- DENVER LOGGED SEVERAL EZ HOURS IN LAST DAYS ALIVE John Denver bought Van Snow's record setting Long EZ for trips between a home in Aspen and another in Monterey where his ex-wife and daughter lived. Snow reluctantly sold it to finance expansion of his veterinarian practice after flying the 1987 Long EZ 3 1/2 years and 800 hours. On Oct. 11, Denver received a checkout from an instructor at Santa Maria (Calif.) Public Airport [SMX] after taking delivery of the aircraft from the SMX paint shop where he had the new purchase re-painted. Snow told reporters, "He flew...for quite a few hours and executed quite a few landings...I'm told he did quite well." Denver then flew his first cross country in the Long EZ up the coast to Monterey. Denver golfed with friends Sunday, declined an invitation to have a beer afterwards and went to log time in his new wings. After three touch-and-goes at Monterey he responded to a call about his transponder, got it squawking -- then crashed into the bay. LOTS OF QUESTIONS...NOT MANY ANSWERS Of course, theories abound, many of them attempts to interpret eye- witness accounts that a loud pop preceded the aircraft's rapid descent from about 500 feet. An engine failure? A canard failure? A collision with a pelican, as Long EZ designer Burt Rutan suggested? The damage, veteran investigators tell AVweb, is most consistent with structural damage to -- or loss of -- the canard. The canards were removed and reinstalled in the course of painting the plane, something investigators are looking into closely. NOT-SO EZ STREETS -- DENVER DEATH SPOTLIGHTS EXPERIMENTALS Given Denver's celebrity status, the homebuilt community seems to be taking a minimum of flack. In part this is probably due to a concerted effort on the part of the EAA and AOPA to get the facts to the media in the hours and days following the accident. The good safety record of the type, with an estimated 1,000 flying in the U.S. and only 61 accidents since 1983 with 21 deaths, most of them closed with pilot error attributed as the probable cause, doesn't look bad to the general media -- in large part because of the high pilot-error percentage. For the most part the media seemed distracted by the red herring of Denver's legal flying status at the time of the accident. The NTSB confirmed soon after the investigation started that Denver did not hold a current medical. THE MEDICAL -- NO FAA LEGAL ACTION TO REVOKE DENVER'S CERTIFICATE Drunken-driving arrests in 1993 and 1994 may be why FAA says it asked John Denver to surrender his medical -- last year. However, the FAA failed to initiate legal action to force surrender of his medical or pilot certificate. Denver had told his lawyer that his certificate was valid, said Walter Gerash, Denver's attorney for his DUI incidents. Given the confusion evidenced by many pilots on the subject during the past week, it is possible that Denver thought it was, even though notified by the FAA to provide proof he did not have a drinking problem and to surrender his certificate. Privacy concerns prevented FAA medical staff from providing details or whether Denver had provided the requested information. ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #135 *****************************