From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 1997 7:41 AM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n148' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #148 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Monday, October 27 1997 Volume 01 : Number 148 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 12:17:03 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR:- Engines & other Stuff. Pierre, If no one else offers -- try Aircraft Spruce Africa P.O. Box 5253 Halfway House 1685 South Africa PH:+ 27-11-8051491 Fax:+27-11-8055745 email:afriair@cisl.co.za I don't have any idea how easy it is to deal with these people. Also you can find Tony's books online at http://www.amazon.com, I don't know how well this works for international orders however. - -- Regards Ross PIERRE & ANTON FOUCHE' wrote: > > Hi All > > I'm looking for a willing volenteer. > I would appreciate it if anyboby in the USA can buy copies of the following > > and DHL them to me if I wire them the money. > > 1.) Sportplane Builder (Tony Bengelis) > 2.) Firewall Forward (Tony Bengelis) > > On anouther note has anybody found somebody willing to part with a copy > of "HOW TO BUILD A RELIABLE AIRCRAFT ENGINE" . > > Lets not have so many "SENSE OF HUMOUR FAILURES" > > Thanks agains > Cheers > Anton Fouche' > P-I-F@pixie.co.za > > Ps:- For you Kobus P-R-O-V-I-N-C-E!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 17:00:16 -0600 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR: Taking pictures >> >>If you intend on taking shop pictures of your project for us netters to see >>and for your construction album, take the guesswork out of it by bringing >>the topic up at the next EAA meeting or ask a photographer friend down the >>street who will have a light meter. Most photographer types would jump at >>the chance to give you a short course on camera settings for your particular >>camera and lighting situation. >> >>Ed Janssen > > >The method Mark outlines above should work fine without any potentially >cranky EAA types having to show up in your space (hey, I could qualify >there:). The key is having that 400 speed or better film if you are taking >the pics indoors using normal light, and having that tripod so you don't >get blur from camera shake. I just poked around the room with my camera and >if there is a fairly bright light, you can get away with 1/4 second...But >this is if what you are shooting is close to the light. Otherwise, that 1 >second should do you right. > >Mark has been doing photography for a long time, and I've been doing it for >almost ten years. I don't claim this to mean that I know what I am talking >about as the gospel. But I shoot a lot of film generally (24 rolls at Perry >for example) so I have some experience. I think Mark has been shooting pics >since he was a pup. > >Not really whining too bad I hope, > >Robert Covington > Robert, Sooooo sorry. Didn't mean to offend, IF this was a reason for your post. One of the problems we have is not being able to add voice inflection, eye contact, etc. in our postings. Anyway, the "you" in the first sentence of my suggestion on photography was a general suggestion to all netters on the topic of taking photos of projects. I certainly apologize if it appeared I was specifically talking about Mark's or any other person's work. Mark's and Mike Mim's work (just two examples) are especially good and should certainly serve as a model for the less inclined. My point was why not ask someone for advice on this topic or any other that comes up while building? I'm sure that we've all seen builders albums at fly-ins that have pictures which would have shown greater detail - whatever- had the builder known to tweek his camera settings or located his lighting a bit differently. Maybe, having spent 25 years in wedding photography, aerial work and air to air photos, causes me to scrutinize a bit. Ed Janssen > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 16:12:36 -0700 From: Ron Lee Subject: KR: FS: KR Boat in Dallas Just saw this in rec.aviation.marketplace I have my KR-2 for sale (Dallas, TX). It is in the "boat" stage of construction (if you don't know what this means - don't ask, I won't consider you a serious buyer) with the wing spars signed-off by an FAA inspector prior to their covering. It is configured as a tail dragger with dual controls (not the 'S' model). All material to complete (less engine and instruments). Excellent workmanship. $2,000 (cash). Serious buyer inquiries only, please. You will have to make arrangements to pick up - I will not ship it. E-mail me at: Ron "No cute quotation this time" Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 15:22:52 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Taking pictures At 05:00 PM 10/26/97 -0600, Ed Janssen wrote: . I don't claim this to mean that I know what I am talking about as the gospel. But I shoot a lot of film generally (24 rolls at Perry for example) so I have some experience. I think Mark has been shooting pics since he was a pup. >> OK Mr. 24 rolls! Where are your Gathering Pictures anyway??? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 01:45:54 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: Taking pictures On Sun, 26 Oct 1997 15:22:52 -0800, you wrote: >At 05:00 PM 10/26/97 -0600, Ed Janssen wrote: >. I don't claim this to mean that I know what I am talking about as the >gospel. But I shoot a lot of film generally (24 rolls at Perry for = example) >so I have some experience. I think Mark has been shooting pics since he = was >a pup. >>> > >OK Mr. 24 rolls! Where are your Gathering Pictures anyway??? >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > Yeah were are they!! Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 19:05:28 -0600 From: John Roffey Subject: Re: KR: Taking pictures Brian Bland wrote: > > On Sun, 26 Oct 1997 15:22:52 -0800, you wrote: > > >At 05:00 PM 10/26/97 -0600, Ed Janssen wrote: > >. I don't claim this to mean that I know what I am talking about as the > >gospel. But I shoot a lot of film generally (24 rolls at Perry for example) > >so I have some experience. I think Mark has been shooting pics since he was > >a pup. > >>> > > > >OK Mr. 24 rolls! Where are your Gathering Pictures anyway??? > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Micheal Mims > >Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > > Yeah were are they!! > > Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P > Claremore, OK > Building stretched and widened KR-2S > > bbland@busprod.com > http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm Speaking of pictures, where is Video Bob and the 97 Gathering video. I understand he went somewhere after Perry to work for a month. I sit here in anticipation of his post saying the video is ready to be sold. John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 17:08:41 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: FS: KR Boat in Dallas Looks like a good price. Ron Lee wrote: > > Just saw this in rec.aviation.marketplace > > I have my KR-2 for sale (Dallas, TX). It is in the "boat" stage of > construction (if you don't know what this means - don't ask, I won't > consider you a serious buyer) with the wing spars signed-off by an FAA > inspector prior to their covering. It is configured as a tail dragger > with dual controls (not the 'S' model). All material to complete > (less engine and instruments). Excellent workmanship. > $2,000 (cash). Serious buyer inquiries only, please. You will > have to make arrangements to pick up - I will not ship it. > > E-mail me at: > > Ron "No cute quotation this time" Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 17:08:46 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: FS: KR Boat in Dallas Looks like a good price. -- Ross Ron Lee wrote: > > Just saw this in rec.aviation.marketplace > > I have my KR-2 for sale (Dallas, TX). It is in the "boat" stage of > construction (if you don't know what this means - don't ask, I won't > consider you a serious buyer) with the wing spars signed-off by an FAA > inspector prior to their covering. It is configured as a tail dragger > with dual controls (not the 'S' model). All material to complete > (less engine and instruments). Excellent workmanship. > $2,000 (cash). Serious buyer inquiries only, please. You will > have to make arrangements to pick up - I will not ship it. > > E-mail me at: > > Ron "No cute quotation this time" Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 19:16:18 -0600 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: 2S Supplement - Worth $75?(was New Plans?) At 06:39 PM 10/22/97 -0700, you wrote: >>Micheal Mims wrote: >>> >>> Actually skip the manual and just buy the S supp! :o) >> >>I'm probably taking you too seriously(I should know better), but this is >>*really* not an option, is it? The KR2 "manual" and plans list for $165 >>while the 2S Supp is $75. Wonder if they have a discount for just the >>plans and pass on the so-called "builder's manual"? >> >>Patrick >>-- >>Patrick Flowers >>Mailto:patri63@ibm.net > > >Well I guess I am the odd man out, but I think the manual is fine. It might >not be great but you can certainly build the plane from it, if you have >normal intelligence. I find it a perky read in parts. Fun. If you want >every detail spelled out for you, then you will not like the manual. > >The 2S plans give you more dimensions, the new wing planform, the wing rib >patterns, and more details on the wing construction. > >They also detail (well you know, detail) the stronger firewall, and extra bays. > > >If you want to build a 2S, you need the supplement. > >My 2S worth. > >Robert Covington > > Thank you Robert. After reading all of the negative posting, I was beginning to wonder if I could ever build a KR from the manuals and plans. Oh yea, I forgot, I did. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 19:16:13 -0600 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Antenna Stuff (CONT) At 08:30 AM 10/21/97 -0700, you wrote: >Bobby, > Thanks for the Antenna feedback :). > > I am looking for a nice place to install the 20.3" (per side) "V" >that I need for my COM antenna. Since I've already finished the >vert-stab. (Sigh). Has anyone installed one of these in the fuselage >and what were your results. > > I was considering the seatback until I realized that humans sitting >in front of it will block the signal somewhat... > > > This is my current delema. > > Suggestions welcome! > > -- Ross > > > > Ross Youngblood I built a RST 20.3/40.6(fulllenght) antenna for my Dad(trying to test his antenna) on one layer piece of fiberglass and covered it with another layer of fiberglass. It turned out to about 1.5 inches wide and VERY flexible. He just put it behind the seat. It curled up and around the turtle deck, It looked like a big 'C', but it worked great.. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 20:28:53 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: KR: Re: DFLY: Book Gee, it's been exceptionally quiet lately, or did I get accidentally bumped? I saw this note from Pat Panzera on Dragon list. Thought you might be interested. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Something really cool happened the other night. As you may recall, a few weeks ago I asked you all where I could find the regs. concerning the licensing of my DF project. Well, the other night, I wandered into my local flight center and was greeted with, "Hey Pat, someone left a book here for you". It's called "Amateur-Built evaluation and Certification ref. Material" It's published by the U.S. Department of Transportation, Federal Aviation Administration. It's about 5/8" thick of 8-1/2x11 pages stapeled togehter and has TONS of info in it. On the cover someone wrote "For Panzera", and I got NO clue who may have done this. They didn't recognize him. But who ever it was, THANKS!!! Pat brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 19:35:14 -0600 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: New Plans? At 10:49 PM 10/22/97 -0400, you wrote: >Steve Bennett wrote: >> >> please keep in mind that most companies that deal in sport aviation >> are not IBM's. R&D funds etc. are expensive to come by. S. Bennett > >Understood, but few companies have done so little in such a long time as >RR. In this case, money is not an issue as Mark is willing to clean up >the plans pro-bono. Even though that would not entail design changes, >it would be an improvement to their product, which BTW is the plans. > >Plus, how are they going to conduct R&D themselves when they don't even >maintain a test-bed aircraft? Since they don't seem prepared to do it >themselves, I would think they would be supportive of builders that are >working on well thought out alternatives, such as Mark's selection of >the NLF airfoil. I think we all realize the limitations that Jeanette >and crew are working under, but they have quite a resource in the sheer >number of KR builders. If they just weren't so ultra-defensive in their >approach to changes, we might have quite a different aircraft. > >As I've stated several times, I'm not trying to slam RR. I'm just >stating my reasons for having reservations. > >Patrick >-- >Patrick Flowers >Mailto:patri63@ibm.net > > Let's drop this issue.... What you see is what you get. If you want something else, you are going to have to go somewhere else to get it. I'm happy right were I am, as a member of the KR family. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 04:29:52 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: Taking pictures On Sun, 26 Oct 1997 19:05:28 -0600, you wrote: >Speaking of pictures, where is Video Bob and the 97 Gathering video. I >understand he went somewhere after Perry to work for a month. I sit here >in anticipation of his post saying the video is ready to be sold. >John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com Video Bob said that the video wouldn't be ready until sometime in November. I believe that he was going to Europe (or somewhere?) to film a documentary. I convinced Bob to let me go ahead and pay for the video at Perry so I am just waiting until it comes in the mail. Can't Wait! I saw a little of the footage that they shot with their new digital camera and it was great! Should be a great video! Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:35:48 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Antenna Stuff (CONT) Bobby, Thanks! I note that the KR plans have a nice diagram on page 107 which shows an antenna with three grounding strips. It is a similar design to the RST. I wonder if the curling you mentioned has an effect on the antenna's preformance. RST indicates that you can curve the ends slightly without a negative impact. So perhaps thats why it works. -- Ross Bobby Muse wrote: > > At 08:30 AM 10/21/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Bobby, > > Thanks for the Antenna feedback :). > > > > I am looking for a nice place to install the 20.3" (per side) "V" > >that I need for my COM antenna. Since I've already finished the > >vert-stab. (Sigh). Has anyone installed one of these in the fuselage > >and what were your results. > > > > I was considering the seatback until I realized that humans sitting > >in front of it will block the signal somewhat... > > > > > > This is my current delema. > > > > Suggestions welcome! > > > > -- Ross > > > > > > > > > Ross Youngblood > > I built a RST 20.3/40.6(fulllenght) antenna for my Dad(trying to test his > antenna) on one layer piece of fiberglass and covered it with another layer > of fiberglass. It turned out to about 1.5 inches wide and VERY flexible. > He just put it behind the seat. It curled up and around the turtle deck, It > looked like a big 'C', but it worked great.. > > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 20:37:09 -0600 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR:Rudder Pedals Shelf or Floor At 08:54 PM 10/23/97, you wrote: >Greetings Fellow Netters, > >I've spent my evenings this week cutting, fitting and welding my rudder >pedals. The plans show them mounted to the floor, but the manual says that some >builders have mounted them to the shelf with good results. I think the >shelf mounting may be best since the only way I can see to mount them to >the floor is with wood screws (just don't like the idea of using wood screws). > >So what problems might I encounter by mounting them to the shelf? Does >this mean the brake cylinders will be upside down? Does it matter if they >are? Sure would make for a cleaner looking installation with the pedals >hanging down. > >Austin Clark >Boat sprouting wings in Pascagoula, MS > > Checkout 'zee nuts'. You can buy them from almost any hardware store. They allow you to use a machine screw into wood. By the way, I mounted my rudder pedals on the shelf and they work great. Master cyclinders can be a problem but I mounted the master cyclinders to the front of the main spar. I activate the cyclinders using Scwinn bicycle cables and a bellcrank. Easy to service. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 21:16:43 -0600 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: [Fwd: BOUNCE krnet-l@lists.teleport.com: Admin request of type /\bsubscribe\b/i at line 8] At 12:44 PM 10/24/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Enough said , I hope......... > > >Larry Flesner >larryfle@midwest.net > Larry, You don't have ANYTHING that you need to appologize for. You were correct in what you said. Sometimes you can't open your mouth without someone wanting to argue with you. It seems that the KRnet is getting out-of-hand. In the future I will try only to repond to techincal/info questions. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 21:16:51 -0600 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Antenna Stuff (CONT) At 06:35 PM 10/26/97 -0800, you wrote: >Bobby, >Thanks! > I note that the KR plans have a nice diagram on page 107 which >shows an antenna with three grounding strips. It is a similar design >to the RST. > > I wonder if the curling you mentioned has an effect on the antenna's >preformance. RST indicates that you can curve the ends slightly without >a negative impact. So perhaps thats why it works. > > -- Ross > Well it was curved quite a lot.. I'm sure that it cuts down on total performance but it seemed to work well beyond anything that we will ever need. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 21:16:49 -0600 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Posa Carbs At 03:33 AM 10/26/97 -0600, you wrote: > >>Rick, If you want to get rid of the Posa, please let me know. Is it a >>Super-Posa? Do you have the extra needles? >> >>I'm been flying for 5 years and my Dad since 1984 with the Posa and NO >>proplems with the Posa. >> Bobby Muse(N122B) > >Bobby, > >Just curious if you've experienced the infamous ol' VW "hiccup" while using >the POSA? A lot of the "older" guys (have to include myself, I guess :-) ) >running POSAs used to get the hiccup once or twice during an hour flight or >more. Those that were running turbos didn't seem to get it. Theory was >that the turbo tends to smooth out the air flow which was a suspect. You're >running a normally aspirated engine, right? > >Ed Janssen > > That's correct and so is my Dads and many others. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:18:47 -0500 From: Patrick Flowers Subject: Re: KR: New Plans? Bobby Muse wrote: > > At 10:49 PM 10/22/97 -0400, you wrote: > > > >As I've stated several times, I'm not trying to slam RR. I'm just > >stating my reasons for having reservations. > > > >Patrick > > Let's drop this issue.... What you see is what you get. If you want > something else, you are going to have to go somewhere else to get it. > I'm happy right were I am, as a member of the KR family. Well Bobby, seems to me you're the last one posting on this subject. I dropped it(and stated so publicly) three days ago. The post you quoted me from was five days old. You KR veterans need to remember that those of us who have not yet decided to build are struggling with decisions that you put to rest years ago. Please don't start trying to decide which issues should or shouldn't be discussed based on your preferences. I believe that's called censorship. IMO, as long as it pertains to building and flying KR's, it's fair game and, if I'm not interested in the subject, then I exercise my [delete] key. I've been on this list for two years now, but haven't been able to start building due to three reorgs and a transfer in the past four years. Now that things appear to have settled down, I plan to start by the first of 98. I still haven't settled on the KR for sure, but I'm close. Threads like this are very important to me right now. Please try to be patient with those of us who haven't yet started glueing together spruce sticks yet. Patrick - -- Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net The GMC Motorhome Page http://www.gmcmotorhome.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 19:37:17 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: New Plans? At 10:18 PM 10/26/97 -0500, Patrick Flowers wrote: >Please try to be patient with those of us who haven't yet started >glueing together spruce sticks yet. > >Patrick >-- >Patrick Flowers >Mailto:patri63@ibm.net > Well even though some of my post have been negative towards the KR plans, I still think this is the right plane for me and try like heck to help people make the decision weather or not its the right one for them! I had a visit from Troy Johnson today. We went over to the garage and he checked out he wooden beast. I think he is thoroughly motivated to say the least! The minor mods I have made to my KR make it REALLY nice. Troy crawled in and was swallowed up by the cockpit, he had at least 4 inches of head room. I am sure he will throw in a few comments when he gets back home to Pheonix tomorrow. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 20:26:55 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Builder Tips Online I have added a Builder Tips section to the website at http://www.krnet.org. It took me most of the evening to set up the Unix directory structure for storing stuff, and the web pages that are linked to put stuff there. So far there are NO builder tips. What I would like is for each of you to pick an area, copy the empty ChapterXX.html file, and build some content! This would be like making a KRONLINE article. Anything goes, but for the moment, we don't have a lot of disk storage set-up. If the photos are already out on the net, go ahead and use the entire link for the photo "http://www.xxx.yyy.zzz". This way we can re-use photos on everyones web sites to illustrate the stuff we are giving tips on at krnet. Edit up the document, then return email it to http://www.krnet.org, where eventually I will get around to posting it on the KRNET.ORG builders tips section. See how easy this is? - -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 21:19:46 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Taking pictures >>> >>>If you intend on taking shop pictures of your project for us netters to see >>>and for your construction album, take the guesswork out of it by bringing >>>the topic up at the next EAA meeting or ask a photographer friend down the >>>street who will have a light meter. Most photographer types would jump at >>>the chance to give you a short course on camera settings for your particular >>>camera and lighting situation. >>> >>>Ed Janssen >> >> >>The method Mark outlines above should work fine without any potentially >>cranky EAA types having to show up in your space (hey, I could qualify >>there:). The key is having that 400 speed or better film if you are taking >>the pics indoors using normal light, and having that tripod so you don't >>get blur from camera shake. I just poked around the room with my camera and >>if there is a fairly bright light, you can get away with 1/4 second...But >>this is if what you are shooting is close to the light. Otherwise, that 1 >>second should do you right. >> >>Mark has been doing photography for a long time, and I've been doing it for >>almost ten years. I don't claim this to mean that I know what I am talking >>about as the gospel. But I shoot a lot of film generally (24 rolls at Perry >>for example) so I have some experience. I think Mark has been shooting pics >>since he was a pup. >> >>Not really whining too bad I hope, >> >>Robert Covington >> >Robert, > >Sooooo sorry. Didn't mean to offend, IF this was a reason for your post. >One of the problems we have is not being able to add voice inflection, eye >contact, etc. in our postings. Anyway, the "you" in the first sentence of >my suggestion on photography was a general suggestion to all netters on the >topic of taking photos of projects. I certainly apologize if it appeared I >was specifically talking about Mark's or any other person's work. Mark's >and Mike Mim's work (just two examples) are especially good and should >certainly serve as a model for the less inclined. My point was why not ask >someone for advice on this topic or any other that comes up while building? >I'm sure that we've all seen builders albums at fly-ins that have pictures >which would have shown greater detail - whatever- had the builder known to >tweek his camera settings or located his lighting a bit differently. Maybe, >having spent 25 years in wedding photography, aerial work and air to air >photos, causes me to scrutinize a bit. > >Ed Janssen >> Ed, no problem, hope I didn't come across _too_ defensive! I don't want to look like I am being critical. At first glance it seemed like maybe your comments were directed at Mark's posting, instead of generally, so maybe I took it that way. But if you have been at it for 25 years, you are to be listened to of course. And applauded, for that many weddings.:) Lot of picky people to deal with I bet. I just got a Connectix ColorQuickCam, and as you say it would solve all these problems if we could start adding pics to our posts with the proper faces for the tone we are conveying. ;) Dead Serious: Stare into Camera with solemn look. Less Serious: Stare into Camera with solemn smile. Funny: Stare into Camera with best goofy face. Don't Care: Picture of Wife. "CU-SeeMe" is kind of cool by the way for doing this live already.There are reflectors that handle that last one. :) Until then I guess we are stuck with smiley's. Robert Covington t88@primenet.com "Won a race in a photo finish. It was glossy over matte." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 21:20:57 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Taking pictures >At 05:00 PM 10/26/97 -0600, Ed Janssen wrote: >. I don't claim this to mean that I know what I am talking about as the >gospel. But I shoot a lot of film generally (24 rolls at Perry for example) >so I have some experience. I think Mark has been shooting pics since he was >a pup. >>> > >OK Mr. 24 rolls! Where are your Gathering Pictures anyway??? >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims You never gathered your check to help develop them all. :) I have a couple rolls done, should have the rest all done this week. Then I will post the URL for the pics. Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 09:53:56 -0600 From: cwcrane@why.net (CW Crane) Subject: Re: KR: Online Construction Manual There is or was a similar web setup for the RV-6. The step by step method to construct various phases of the overall project were referred to as "construction notes". It wasn't really a construction manual such as furnished by Van with the kit but supplemental notes that were a whole lot more informative. IIRC there was a section on construction techniques and material handling also. CW Crane, Arlington, TX >Mark, > I am setting up the disk on my PC to manage a website based online >construction manual. As we speak... I have divided the problem into >the following sections: > >Avionics >Canopy >Cockpit >Control System >Engine >Flight Testing >Fuel System >Fuselage >Gear&Brakes >Getting Started >Paperwork >VFR Instrumentation >Empenage > > >These should do for now I think. At first I think I will just post >links to others stuff, click on a section and see a list of resources >from KRNET members on that topic. Later, we can post a group edited >manual in .html or acroread format, one chapter per section... > >What do you think? > >If I'm lucky this page should be available online by the end of the >weekend. > >-- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 04:16:40 -0500 (EST) From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Aircraft Certification In a message dated 97-10-24 07:11:47 EDT, you write: << here's what you need to ask them for: 1. AC 20-27D Certification and Operation of Amateur-Built aircraft 2. AC 20-139 Commercial Assistance During Construction of Amateur-Built A/C 3. AC 39-7B Airworthiness Directives 4. AC 65-23A Certification of Repairmen 5. FAA Form 8130-12 Eligibility Statement 6. FAA Form 8130-6 Application for Airworthiness Certificate 7. FAA Form 8610-2 Application for Repairman Certificate 8. FAA Form 8050-2 Bill of Sale 9. FAA Form 8-50-1 Registration Application 10. FAA Form 8050-88 Affidavit of Ownership They also provided some other info, including FAA Certification Tips, EAA Certification Tips, Tips for Flight Testing, Sample Weight and Balance Forms, AD Compliance Sheets, Letter of Intent (used to schedule your certification appointment), and a notice about being consistent on all forms with the make and model of your airplane. >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:06:50 -0500 (EST) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Taking pictures In a message dated 97-10-26 19:11:40 EST, John wrote: << Speaking of pictures, where is Video Bob and the 97 Gathering video. I understand he went somewhere after Perry to work for a month. I sit here in anticipation of his post saying the video is ready to be sold. >> Ya have to relax a bit. If I recall correctly, Bob didn't think he would have much to show before early December. It took about that long last year and he only had one camera. This year he had two and three going at once. Lots of footage to review, match the talkie part to it and score as needed. I big job. He was working a construction video series for KRs too. His stuff is real high quality. It'll be worth the wait. Also remember Bob does video for a living, so the BIG BUCKS jobs pay the bills. He does the KR videos for fun. Randy (The bodyguard*) Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA *It's a good story and stars me and Demi Moore (no kidding), but is not KR relevant. Ahhhhh...life in Hollyweird, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 06:12:57 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Building from plans > >Thank you Robert. After reading all of the negative posting, I was >beginning to wonder if I could ever build a KR from the manuals and plans. >Oh yea, I forgot, I did. > > > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX > Hi, Bobby I think it's interesting that in the Oct. 97 Sport Aviation, where the builders' projects are shown and there's a KR (one of the few ever shown there), the builder thanks RR for an excellent set of plans. So, they must be sufficient for some people. Me, I'm still waiting for mine! Bought a set from Ricky Pitman through a post here, but he's been out of town and unable to send them to me. The UPS guy is usually here by 3 PM, so if he gets my stuff to me today, you may not hear from me for a while. Plus, it's the last 10 days of deer hunting season here, and I gotta get some fresh air. Yeah, I know- you'll be glad I shut up for a while. Oscar Zuniga ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:07:52 -0600 From: "Hartman, Malcolm L (New Orleans JRB)" Subject: KR: KR2S parts 4 sale Marvin has commited to purchasing my wheels/brakes, motor mount, firewall stuff, and WAF. I still have a boat, spars, and all of the RR prefab top deck parts if anyone is interested. Thanks, >M. Hartman/N926FW ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 06:44:20 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Patience with Newbies >Please try to be patient with those of us who haven't yet started >glueing together spruce sticks yet. > >Patrick >-- >Patrick Flowers >Mailto:patri63@ibm.net > Amen. Thanks, Patrick. Also, please try to be patient with folks like me, who have suddenly found in the Internet and KRNet, a group of like-minded people. I sometimes ramble on and toss in fluff, but am genuinely interested in harvesting data and contributing as I am able. I just get carried away at times with the camaraderie. I know it slows down the flow of useful data. I agree with Bobby, that the main intent here is to talk KRs, building, flying, tweaking, tech issues, ideas. I'll try to restrain until I'm in that position. Thanks. Oscar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:10:27 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: KR2S parts 4 sale Hartman, Malcolm L (New Orleans JRB) wrote: > > Marvin has commited to purchasing my wheels/brakes, motor mount, > firewall stuff, and WAF. I still have a boat, spars, and all of the RR > prefab top deck parts if anyone is interested. > > Thanks, > >M. Hartman/N926FW - --------------- I might add that it was a very good price. Anyone contemplating starting to build or buy plans should contact Malcolm and make a deal for his. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - ------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:13:38 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: Aircraft Certification JEHayward@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-10-24 07:11:47 EDT, you write: > > << here's what you need to ask them for: > > 1. AC 20-27D Certification and Operation of Amateur-Built aircraft > 2. AC 20-139 Commercial Assistance During Construction of > Amateur-Built > A/C > 3. AC 39-7B Airworthiness Directives > 4. AC 65-23A Certification of Repairmen > 5. FAA Form 8130-12 Eligibility Statement > 6. FAA Form 8130-6 Application for Airworthiness Certificate > 7. FAA Form 8610-2 Application for Repairman Certificate > 8. FAA Form 8050-2 Bill of Sale > 9. FAA Form 8-50-1 Registration Application > 10. FAA Form 8050-88 Affidavit of Ownership > > They also provided some other info, including FAA Certification Tips, EAA > Certification Tips, Tips for Flight Testing, Sample Weight and Balance > Forms, > AD Compliance Sheets, Letter of Intent (used to schedule your certification > appointment), and a notice about being consistent on all forms with the make > and model of your airplane. >> - ------------------------- I might add to this thread that I just purchased a book titled "How to license a Homebuilt Aircraft" by Paul Bergen Abbott. Good book. It has all the info needed in about 72 pages. Even has some of the forrms. Simple and concise. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - ---------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:43:27 -0500 From: Martin Vipond Subject: KR: Perry Video Hello KRnettizens. I was one of the other shooters Bob used in Perry. The unedited footage looks wonderful! I talked with Bob last week re: the '97 Gathering video. He is on my list again today! I'll try to get him to post an ETA. But it will be a few weeks yet. I'm sure you will find it worth the wait! The flyers seemed to be "zoning-in" on the shooters out on the field. I know I was thrilled! (Even got me thinking about building one! 8o) Which is why I've been "lurking" about ). The interviews we shot are going to be informative and entertaining as well and the footage of the planes in the hanger is great too! As you can tell, I'm anxious to see the finished product myself! Bob or I will get back to you in a day or so! Martin Vipond Two Legs Productions 1003 Fifth Avenue Lake Odessa, MI 48849 VOX 616-374-0061 Pgr (616) 444-0169 Mal.3:10 - -----Original Message----- From: Brian Bland [SMTP:bbland@busprod.com] Sent: Sunday, October 26, 1997 11:30 PM To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: Re: KR: Taking pictures On Sun, 26 Oct 1997 19:05:28 -0600, you wrote: >Speaking of pictures, where is Video Bob and the 97 Gathering video. I >understand he went somewhere after Perry to work for a month. I sit here >in anticipation of his post saying the video is ready to be sold. >John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com Video Bob said that the video wouldn't be ready until sometime in November. I believe that he was going to Europe (or somewhere?) to film a documentary. I convinced Bob to let me go ahead and pay for the video at Perry so I am just waiting until it comes in the mail. Can't Wait! I saw a little of the footage that they shot with their new digital camera and it was great! Should be a great video! Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:25:51 -0500 (EST) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Perry Video this has nothing to do with the video, but i was looking at some pic's on one of the sites and saw a yellow kr, at 97 gat, can anyone tell me who is the owner, does he or she have a web site about it? thanks tandem2 in holding ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #148 *****************************