From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 1997 3:38 PM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n154' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #154 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Thursday, October 30 1997 Volume 01 : Number 154 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:26:14 -0800 From: Tom Crawford Subject: KR: N262TC Flies! 1400EST 10-30-97 Weather- Wind- calm Vis- 10 miles Ceiling- 10,000 broken No excuses! today is the day. Engine sounds good. One more fast taxi down the active. The plane tracks well, quickly gets up to 45 mph, fast taxi down the 5000' runway. No problem. This time I line up on 024, give it a bunch of throttle, and am off like a rocket. I am making sure that it tracks down the center line while speed is building and realize that I have a lot more throttle left, so I firewall it. I am expecting the plane to fly off but it doesn't. My C of G is on the foreward line. At 65 MPH I ever so slowly start to pull back on the stick. It Flies! Next thing I know, I am climbing out at 1000fpm and 90 to 100mph. I was very carefull with the elevator, but it was not a problem. No PIO's. It flew like I thought it should-responsive. I climbed to 1500' and stayed over the field. All gauges were in the green except the oil temp was pushing 230-240. OAT was 80 degrees. I leveled off and it came down to 230 and seemed to stay there, even in cruise. I dont remember any of the other numbers as I was pretty preoccupied with the oil temp. Decided this was too hot and powered back and got in the pattern. Did a fast U-turn type pattern at about 100mph, somehow got down to about 70 mph over the fence. Floated quite a ways, then flared a little too early- ballooned up a bit so I gave it a little throttle, eased back, flared again, and made a decent landing. Walked away from it anyway. My impressions now? The plane flys great. Not hard to control at all. This is coming from a low time pilot with less than 1 hour right seat time in a KR. Was It worth 1800 hours labor over 2 years? You bet. Now, about this oil temp problem..... Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 14:24:06 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: main spar holes Don, You are correct about this the top/bottom spar caps do not individually have a neutral axis. I wanted to place the bolt holes with as much edge distance as possible so I started by determining the center of the spar cap face. (Don't want bolts going through only the webbing.) - -- Ross Donald Reid wrote: > > Ross wrote: > > > > I assumed that each spar cap had a neutral axis through the middle > > of it's cross section, and attempted to drill the holes at this point. > > The spar as a whole system has a neutral axis, and it is near the center > of the spar. The spar caps do not. The neutral axis is where there is > no tensile or compressive stress. In box spar under positive G's, the > bottom cap is under tension and the top cap is under compression. The > neutral axis will be through the shear web. > -- > Don Reid > mailto:donreid@erols.com > http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 14:25:47 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Re: T-Shirt idea in progress [Fwd: Hello Ross!] Mike Filbrandt wrote: > > Ross, > > Sounds good to me! Are they all gonna be T's, or are you gonna have some > polo's done too? Just wondering. > > Blue Skies, > Hmmm, those will be the expensive shirts, for the IFR and Autopilot equipped KR-4P (Four seats & pressurized) set... oh thats the Columbia. - -- Ross > Mike > > ---------- > > From: Ross > > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > > Subject: KR: T-Shirt idea in progress [Fwd: Hello Ross!] > > Date: Thursday, October 30, 1997 2:02 AM > > > > I asked Carlos Sa, if it would be OK to use the KRNET logo for a KRNET > > T-Shirt. (As seen on http://www.krnet.org) > > > > I'm thinking that since it is so close to the end of the year this > > would have to be a KRNET '98 T-Shirt. > > > > What I'm thinking of is a white T-Shirt, with the KRNET Rotating Globe > > Logo on the Front. (No it won't be moving, unless you jump up and down) > > With the web address http://www.krnet.org below it > > > > On the back it would have "KRNET '98" and two columns of the 175 member > > email addresses. > > > > What do you think of the idea. Proceeds from the sale of these shirts > > would go to support KRNET and other activities in support of KR > > builders. > > > > I've got a local source for T-Shirts here in Corvallis, and will > > eventually get back to everyone on rough pricing ideas. > > > > -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 14:28:08 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Re: T-Shirt idea in progress [Fwd: Hello Ross!] Mike Filbrandt wrote: > > Hey Ross, > > Thought of a P.S. to my previous reply. Any thought on a pocket for those > of us who don't wait for second-hand smoke? Of course they work for other > things too. > > L8TR, > > Mike Hmm.. seems like the KR bunch likes to make modifications. How about a build it yourself pocket, each individual can size the pocket accordingly, cigarates or handheld radios. I'll keep this in mind. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 14:29:07 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: T-Shirt idea Ron Lee wrote: > > >I'm thinking that since it is so close to the end of the year this > >would have to be a KRNET '98 T-Shirt. > > > >What I'm thinking of is a white T-Shirt, with the KRNET Rotating Globe > >Logo on the Front. (No it won't be moving, unless you jump up and down) > >With the web address http://www.krnet.org below it > > > >On the back it would have "KRNET '98" and two columns of the 175 member > >email addresses. > > Personally, I am a stodgy old fart. I would prefer a golf shirt with > ONLY the emblem on the left chest area....maybe add "98 KR Gathering" > underneath it on the front. No email addresses for me. > > Ron "Never can please him" Lee The golf shirts with just the logo. I like this idea. But T-shirts have to be very busy with all the email addresses, and both need pockets. - -- Ross Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:44:55 From: "Troy Johnson" Subject: Re: KR: N262TC Flies! Whoohoo!!!!.... BIg Congratulations! Green with envy over here, glad to hear things went well...My ex-wife is from Gainesville......Troy At 06:26 PM 10/30/97 -0800, you wrote: >1400EST 10-30-97 >Weather- >Wind- calm >Vis- 10 miles >Ceiling- 10,000 broken > >No excuses! today is the day. Engine sounds good. One more fast taxi >down the active. The plane tracks well, quickly gets up to 45 mph, fast >taxi down the 5000' runway. No problem. This time I line up on 024, give >it a bunch of throttle, and am off like a rocket. I am making sure that >it tracks down the center line while speed is building and realize that >I have a lot more throttle left, so I firewall it. I am expecting the >plane to fly off but it doesn't. My C of G is on the foreward line. At >65 MPH I ever so slowly start to pull back on the stick. It Flies! Next >thing I know, I am climbing out at 1000fpm and 90 to 100mph. I was very >carefull with the elevator, but it was not a problem. No PIO's. It flew >like I thought it should-responsive. I climbed to 1500' and stayed over >the field. All gauges were in the green except the oil temp was pushing >230-240. OAT was 80 degrees. I leveled off and it came down to 230 and >seemed to stay there, even in cruise. I dont remember any of the other >numbers as I was pretty preoccupied with the oil temp. Decided this was >too hot and powered back and got in the pattern. Did a fast U-turn type >pattern at about 100mph, somehow got down to about 70 mph over the >fence. Floated quite a ways, then flared a little too early- ballooned >up a bit so I gave it a little throttle, eased back, flared again, and >made a decent landing. Walked away from it anyway. > >My impressions now? The plane flys great. Not hard to control at all. >This is coming from a low time pilot with less than 1 hour right seat >time in a KR. Was It worth 1800 hours labor over 2 years? You bet. > >Now, about this oil temp problem..... > >Tom Crawford >tomc@afn.org >Gainesville, FL >N262TC > ************************************************************* If at first you don't succeed.....so much for skydiving! Troy A. Johnson WYLE Electronics 1955 E. Sky Harbor Circle North Phoenix, AZ 85034 (602)-495-9953 (602)-416-2158 (direct) ************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:56:05 -0500 (EST) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Shirts In a message dated 97-10-30 10:40:43 EST, Troy wrote: << I vote golf shirt!! >> Me too. I would prefer nothing on the back. I've got plenty of KRNet addresses already. Besides, I can't see it back there - so there! Randy Stein ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:57:11 -0500 (EST) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: I are a mekanic... KRNetters: Sorry for the off topic, but I couldn't resist. I am making the bold assumption that the kind of people that would enjoy building their own airplane might enjoy these tongue-in-cheek definitions of tools. << TOOLS HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate expensive car parts not far from the object we are trying to hit. MECHANIC'S KNIFE: Used to open and slice through the contents of cardboard cartons delivered to your front door; works particularly well on boxes containing convertible tops or tonneau covers. ELECTRIC HAND DRILL: Normally used for spinning steel Pop rivets in their holes until you die of old age, but it also works great for drilling rollbar mounting holes in the floor of a sports car just above the brake line that goes to the rear axle. HACKSAW: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board principle. It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable motion, and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more dismal your future becomes. VISE-GRIPS: Used to round off bolt heads. If nothing else is available, they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to the palm of your hand. OXYACETYLENE TORCH: Used almost entirely for lighting those stale garage cigarettes you keep hidden in the back of the Whitworth socket drawer (What wife would think to look in _there_?) because you can never remember to buy lighter fluid for the Zippo lighter you got from the PX at Fort Campbell. ZIPPO LIGHTER: See oxyacetylene torch. WHITWORTH SOCKETS: Once used for working on older British cars and motorcycles, they are now used mainly for hiding six-month old Salems from the sort of person who would throw them away for no good reason. DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat metal bar stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and flings your beer across the room, splattering it against the Rolling Stones poster over the bench grinder. WIRE WHEEL: Cleans rust off old bolts and then throws them somewhere under the workbench with the speed of light. Also removes fingerprint whorls and hard-earned guitar callouses in about the time it takes you to say, "Django Reinhardt". HYDRAULIC FLOOR JACK: Used for lowering a Mustang to the ground after you have installed a set of Ford Motorsports lowered road springs, trapping the jack handle firmly under the front air dam. EIGHT-FOOT LONG DOUGLAS FIR 2X4: Used for levering a car upward off a hydraulic jack. TWEEZERS: A tool for removing wood splinters. PHONE: Tool for calling your neighbor Chris to see if he has another hydraulic floor jack. SNAP-ON GASKET SCRAPER: Theoretically useful as a sandwich tool for spreading mayonnaise; used mainly for getting dog-doo off your boot. E-Z OUT BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR: A tool that snaps off in bolt holes and is ten times harder than any known drill bit. TIMING LIGHT: A stroboscopic instrument for illuminating grease buildup on crankshaft pulleys. TWO-TON HYDRAULIC ENGINE HOIST: A handy tool for testing the tensile strength of ground straps and hydraulic clutch lines you may have forgotten to disconnect. CRAFTSMAN 1/2 x 16-INCH SCREWDRIVER: A large motor mount prying tool that inexplicably has an accurately machined screwdriver tip on the end without the handle. BATTERY ELECTROLYTE TESTER: A handy tool for transferring sulfuric acid from car battery to the inside of your toolbox after determining that your battery is dead as a doornail, just as you thought. AVIATION METAL SNIPS: See hacksaw. AIR COMPRESSOR: A machine that takes energy produced in a coal-burning power plant 200 miles away and transforms it into compressed air that travels by hose to a Chicago Pneumatic impact wrench that grips rusty suspension bolts last tightened 40 years ago by someone in Abingdon, Oxfordshire, and rounds them off. PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER: Normally used to stab the lids of old-style paper-and-tin oil cans and splash oil on your shirt; can also be used, as the name implies, to round off Phillips screw heads. TROUBLE LIGHT: The mechanic's own tanning booth. Sometimes called a drop light, it is a good source of vitamin D, "the sunshine vitamin" which is not otherwise found under cars at night. Health benefits aside, its main purpose is to consume 40-watt light bulbs at about the same rate that 105-mm howitzer shells might be used during, say, the first few hours of the Battle of the Bulge. More often dark than light, its name is somewhat misleading. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:29:32 +0000 From: Steve Bennett Subject: Re: KR: N262TC Flies! CONGRATULATIONS TOM! I was hoping the cylinders got back to you and presumed they did as I didn't hear from you. Great Job and be careful in your test program. S. Bennett ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:31:42 -0500 From: "Alan Moat" Subject: Re: KR: N262TC Flies! Congratulations! Now that your airborne you can fly up to Atlanta and give Patrick and me some inspiration. Alan Moat flowery branch taom@randomc.com - ---------- > From: Troy Johnson > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: N262TC Flies! > Date: Thursday, October 30, 1997 10:44 AM > > > Whoohoo!!!!.... BIg Congratulations! Green with envy over here, glad to > hear things went well...My ex-wife is from Gainesville......Troy > > > At 06:26 PM 10/30/97 -0800, you wrote: > >1400EST 10-30-97 > >Weather- > >Wind- calm > >Vis- 10 miles > >Ceiling- 10,000 broken > > > >No excuses! today is the day. Engine sounds good. One more fast taxi > >down the active. The plane tracks well, quickly gets up to 45 mph, fast > >taxi down the 5000' runway. No problem. This time I line up on 024, give > >it a bunch of throttle, and am off like a rocket. I am making sure that > >it tracks down the center line while speed is building and realize that > >I have a lot more throttle left, so I firewall it. I am expecting the > >plane to fly off but it doesn't. My C of G is on the foreward line. At > >65 MPH I ever so slowly start to pull back on the stick. It Flies! Next > >thing I know, I am climbing out at 1000fpm and 90 to 100mph. I was very > >carefull with the elevator, but it was not a problem. No PIO's. It flew > >like I thought it should-responsive. I climbed to 1500' and stayed over > >the field. All gauges were in the green except the oil temp was pushing > >230-240. OAT was 80 degrees. I leveled off and it came down to 230 and > >seemed to stay there, even in cruise. I dont remember any of the other > >numbers as I was pretty preoccupied with the oil temp. Decided this was > >too hot and powered back and got in the pattern. Did a fast U-turn type > >pattern at about 100mph, somehow got down to about 70 mph over the > >fence. Floated quite a ways, then flared a little too early- ballooned > >up a bit so I gave it a little throttle, eased back, flared again, and > >made a decent landing. Walked away from it anyway. > > > >My impressions now? The plane flys great. Not hard to control at all. > >This is coming from a low time pilot with less than 1 hour right seat > >time in a KR. Was It worth 1800 hours labor over 2 years? You bet. > > > >Now, about this oil temp problem..... > > > >Tom Crawford > >tomc@afn.org > >Gainesville, FL > >N262TC > > > ************************************************************* > > If at first you don't succeed.....so much for skydiving! > > Troy A. Johnson > WYLE Electronics > 1955 E. Sky Harbor Circle North > Phoenix, AZ 85034 > (602)-495-9953 > (602)-416-2158 (direct) > > ************************************************************* > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:26:47 From: Austin Clark Subject: KR:Redneck Pilots Hey KRNetters, If I get torched for this, I promise to never do it again. You might be a redneck pilot if ....... Your stall warning plays Dixie. Your cross country flight plan uses truck stops as way points. You think sectional charts should show trailer parks You've ever used moonshine as avgas. Your toothpick gets in the way when you use the mic. You've ever just taxied around the airport drinking beer. Your wind sock is a feed sack. There is a septic tank service ad on the side of your airplane. You tell the controller "10-4 good buddy" when he clears you for landing. Your luggage is three used Walmart bags. There is a gunrack in the baggage area. The cowling is held in place with duct tape. The duct tape is held in place with more duct tape. Your CG moves aft when the manure falls off. There are parts on your plane with John Deere logos. It takes three low passes to get the cows off the runway. Bird strikes become Sunday dinner. You fly to family reunions to pick up girls. Your tie-downs are old tires and concrete blocks. Your wheel chocks are old tires and concrete blocks. Your wheels smell like dog piss. Sorry, could not resist. Austin Clark KR2S / Subaru Pascagoula, MS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:17:39 From: Austin Clark Subject: Re: KR: N262TC Flies! Congratulations Tom! What an inspiration! Look out behind you ... I'm only 1200 hours and 1-1/2 years away (being optimistic). Austin Clark KR2S / Subaru Pascagoula, MS At 18:26 10/30/97 -0800, you wrote: >1400EST 10-30-97 >Weather- >Wind- calm >Vis- 10 miles >Ceiling- 10,000 broken > >No excuses! today is the day. Engine sounds good. One more fast taxi >down the active. The plane tracks well, quickly gets up to 45 mph, fast >taxi down the 5000' runway. No problem. This time I line up on 024, give >it a bunch of throttle, and am off like a rocket. I am making sure that >it tracks down the center line while speed is building and realize that >I have a lot more throttle left, so I firewall it. I am expecting the >plane to fly off but it doesn't. My C of G is on the foreward line. At >65 MPH I ever so slowly start to pull back on the stick. It Flies! Next >thing I know, I am climbing out at 1000fpm and 90 to 100mph. I was very >carefull with the elevator, but it was not a problem. No PIO's. It flew >like I thought it should-responsive. I climbed to 1500' and stayed over >the field. All gauges were in the green except the oil temp was pushing >230-240. OAT was 80 degrees. I leveled off and it came down to 230 and >seemed to stay there, even in cruise. I dont remember any of the other >numbers as I was pretty preoccupied with the oil temp. Decided this was >too hot and powered back and got in the pattern. Did a fast U-turn type >pattern at about 100mph, somehow got down to about 70 mph over the >fence. Floated quite a ways, then flared a little too early- ballooned >up a bit so I gave it a little throttle, eased back, flared again, and >made a decent landing. Walked away from it anyway. > >My impressions now? The plane flys great. Not hard to control at all. >This is coming from a low time pilot with less than 1 hour right seat >time in a KR. Was It worth 1800 hours labor over 2 years? You bet. > >Now, about this oil temp problem..... > >Tom Crawford >tomc@afn.org >Gainesville, FL >N262TC > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:57:34 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: lead casting Please don't pour any molten metal into anything that's moist. The results are unpleasant. I have cast lead pigs using clay bricks on a concrete floor. The bricks that were not absolutely dry sent clay shards flying fast... I would have used firebrick if I'd had any. Brian At 12:47 10/30/97 -0800, you wrote: >Hey netters > >Who out there has had "perfect" successful lead casting experiences? I have >casted my own bullets (yea Im a gun packing republican, so what!!) but I >had machined molds made from aluminum. What is the best for casting lead? >Wet sand , damp sand, dry sand, wood? >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > > brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:03:00 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: N262TC Flies! At 18:26 10/30/97 -0800, you wrote: >No excuses! today is the day. Engine sounds good. One more fast taxi >down the active. The plane tracks well, quickly gets up to 45 mph, fast >taxi down the 5000' runway. No problem. This time I line up on 024, give >it a bunch of throttle, and am off like a rocket. ... > Floated quite a ways, then flared a little too early- ballooned >up a bit so I gave it a little throttle, eased back, flared again, and >made a decent landing. Walked away from it anyway. >... >Tom Crawford >tomc@afn.org >Gainesville, FL >N262TC > Congratulations - ground hogs like me can live again through your account... Brian brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:43:44 -0600 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: KR: FAR Website? Anyone know a good site that has all the FARs? Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:06:50 EST From: TANDEM2 Subject: Re: KR: N262TC Flies! TOM, happy days, so the t-4 engine handle everthing ok? i know tom bagnetto's enging run around 200 - 220 oil temp. well congrats on building and flying another kr. SEE FOLKS, IT CAN BE DONE--- TYPE -4 ENGINES RULE AND SO DOES KR'S tandem2 getting ready to land ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:40:29 -0800 From: bmsi@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: KR: N262TC Flies! Tom Crawford wrote: > > 1400EST 10-30-97 > Weather- > Wind- calm > Vis- 10 miles > Ceiling- 10,000 broken > > No excuses! today is the day. Engine sounds good. One more fast taxi > down the active. The plane tracks well, quickly gets up to 45 mph, fast > taxi down the 5000' runway. No problem. This time I line up on 024, give > it a bunch of throttle, and am off like a rocket. I am making sure that > it tracks down the center line while speed is building and realize that > I have a lot more throttle left, so I firewall it. I am expecting the > plane to fly off but it doesn't. My C of G is on the foreward line. At > 65 MPH I ever so slowly start to pull back on the stick. It Flies! Next > thing I know, I am climbing out at 1000fpm and 90 to 100mph. I was very > carefull with the elevator, but it was not a problem. No PIO's. It flew > like I thought it should-responsive. I climbed to 1500' and stayed over > the field. All gauges were in the green except the oil temp was pushing > 230-240. OAT was 80 degrees. I leveled off and it came down to 230 and > seemed to stay there, even in cruise. I dont remember any of the other > numbers as I was pretty preoccupied with the oil temp. Decided this was > too hot and powered back and got in the pattern. Did a fast U-turn type > pattern at about 100mph, somehow got down to about 70 mph over the > fence. Floated quite a ways, then flared a little too early- ballooned > up a bit so I gave it a little throttle, eased back, flared again, and > made a decent landing. Walked away from it anyway. > > My impressions now? The plane flys great. Not hard to control at all. > This is coming from a low time pilot with less than 1 hour right seat > time in a KR. Was It worth 1800 hours labor over 2 years? You bet. > > Now, about this oil temp problem..... > > Tom Crawford > tomc@afn.org > Gainesville, FL > N262TC All right Tom!!! Congratulations! Bruce S. Campbell Tampa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:22:27 -0800 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: lead casting Micheal Mims wrote: > Who out there has had "perfect" successful lead casting experiences? > What is the best for casting lead? > Wet sand , damp sand, dry sand, wood? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims I used a piece of pine 2 X 4 (for the rest of the world, that is a 4cm X 9cm) and cut out the shape to mold, clamped it to a piece of scrap steel for a bottom, and poured in the molten lead. The wood smoked and chared, but that was all. I even used the same piece for both castings. After I tried drilling them for mounting bolts, and wasted two perfectly good drills, I got smarter. For my rudder balance, I used #8 lead shot, mixed with epoxy in a slurry. Smaller shot would probably work better. This was quick and easy. There may be better ways, by the slurry worked great. - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:23:52 -0800 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: A "how to" question about wing gap seals Micheal Mims wrote: > Is there a reason the wing have to be made removable? Thanks! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Highway transportation - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:31:31 -0800 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: main spar holes and gear placement MARVIN MCCOY wrote: > I was thinking of moving the main gear outward ten > inches or so away from the side of the fuselage to get it away from > the prop wash. This would be a better place for drilling holes but with > the gear farther out it seems to me that it would put more force on the > spar at the fuselage. Since the leverage on the spar seems to be > increased now that the gear attachment is farther out. Will this be a > big deal and reason to worry about the spar?? Or is the spar strong > enough that it will not matter?? > Thanks > > Marvin McCoy I have thought about this off and on through the day, and I deceided that I can't tell. It seems to me that in a really bad landing, you want the gear to fail before the spar. It is much easier to replace/repair the gear than the main spar. If you move the gear farther outboard on the spar, you will come to a point where the same landing loads would fail the main spar instead of the gear. This is like the early Quickie design, with the gear at the end of the canard. One rough landing and there is one heck of a major rebuild. I don't know how strong the various landing gears are. Without enough information, I won't even begin to make an educated guess on the effects. - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:40:55 -0500 (EST) From: LDeckert@aol.com Subject: KR: KR Web pages Hi all, This may be a really silly question, but what have all of you that have created a web page used to do so? I have about made up my mind to put one together, but it seems as though there are at least a zillion ways of doing it. Email me direct, if you don't think this is an OK thread. :) Thanks!!! Larry Deckert Sandy Ut. ldeckert@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:47:18 -0500 From: Scott Aldrich <71714.1611@compuserve.com> Subject: KR: FAR Website? Try www.faa.org I got the new part 61 that way. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:07:06 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: A "how to" question about wing gap seals At 09:23 PM 10/30/97 -0800, Donald Reid wrote: >Highway transportation > >-- >Don Reid >mailto:donreid@erols.com >http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm > Well the last time my friends VW quit running on him and he decided to land and drive down the highway with his Dragonfly, the CHIP gave him a ticket for using an unauthorized motor vehicle on public roads! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:09:20 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: KR Web pages At 09:40 PM 10/30/97 -0500, LDeckert@aol.com wrote: >Hi all, > >This may be a really silly question, but what have all of you that have >created a web page used to do so? I have about made up my mind to put one together, but it seems as though there are at least a zillion ways of doing it. I didn't use anything to create them, I just wrote plain old HTML files and uploaded them to my ISP. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:26:02 -0500 From: David Batton Subject: KR: Rex Taylor Has anyone used Rex Taylors book "How to build a reliable VW aero engine"? If so, could someone make some sense of the VIN #'s he recommends in the book? He has only like 40 some listed, do I have to find the EXACT # listed or is there a range of #'s which can be used? Thanks in advance David Batton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:29:05 -0500 From: David Batton Subject: KR: Michigan Kr's Sorry about the personal post, but my hard drive CRASHED 4 days ago and I lost EVERYTHING! :( Will the gentleman in northern (?) Michigan who was gonna meet me at Metetal, please mail me again. Thanks!! David Batton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:55:49 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Re: KR Web pages Larry Deckert wrote: > This may be a really silly question, but what have all of you that have > created a web page used to do so? Just copy somebody elses and change the links and text to your liking. I should know, mine was the first KR page, and there were lots of very similar ones out there in the beginning, but that's fine with me. Somebody emailed me the other day that there was a carbon copy of the Lionheart page for some other product. I'm flattered of course. Usually you have an option called "copy source" or something like that, that will save it to a file on your machine. Get yourself an Internet Service Provider and ftp or otherwise somehow send your files to your little place on their hard disk, and name the top page index.html for convenience. There are also converters that will take your Word files or other such stuff and convert it almost flawlessly in seconds, images and fonts included, using Microsoft's Internet Assistant (free from Microsoft's site). But REAL men do it the hard way, with DOS EDIT!!!! Of course, if you walk on nails, you could use UNIX's vi. I guess you can tell by my site that I'm a real man... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:54:39 -0700 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: main spar holes and gear placement On Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:42:45 -0600 "Hartman, Malcolm L (New Orleans JRB)" writes: >Marvin, > > You need to think about your differential braking before moving the >gear legs that far from the fuselage. It may get very sensitive with >an >additional twenty inch moment. > >M. Hartman/N926FW > > My gear legs are well out of the propwash with a 7' wide track. Wider gear makes for very nice ground handling. Differential braking also works very well. - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:59:26 -0700 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: A "how to" question about wing gap seals Glass it together. If you ever ding the plane and have to move it by highway, you can always cut through the glass then. Mine would have been glassed together if I could have finished it at the airport. BTW, Roy Marsh glassed his together. I doubt that Ron has cut the wings off. - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:23:52 -0800 Donald Reid writes: >Micheal Mims wrote: >> Is there a reason the wing have to be made removable? Thanks! >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Micheal Mims >> Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. >> mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >> http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:41:11 -0700 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: lead casting On Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:47:36 -0800 Micheal Mims writes: >Hey netters > >Who out there has had "perfect" successful lead casting experiences? I have >casted my own bullets (yea Im a gun packing republican, so what!!) but I >had machined molds made from aluminum. What is the best for casting lead? >Wet sand , damp sand, dry sand, wood? >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims For lack of any better ideas, I actually read the plans and built them according to the book. Since I wasn't happy with the finish, I hammered the lead "pig" into the desired shape, then packed it in flox. Sanded the flox down and packed it with micro. Then I sanded to the finish I wanted. I don't know that everyone would want to do it that way. It just worked for me. - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:43:56 -0600 From: Mark Pierce Subject: Re: KR: KR Web pages LDeckert@aol.com wrote: > > ....what have all of you that have created a web page used to do so?.... Larry, I've used plan text HTML, Hot Dog Pro, Netscape 3.0 editor, Claris Home Page, and Microsoft Front Page 97. I've pretty much settled on MS Front Page 97 now because it's what I'm most familiar with right now. They all seem to have little advantages and disadvantages but I highly recommend that you learn the HTML basics even if you elect to use a development tool. I did hear last week that the bank I used to work for, after a 3 month study, dropped MS Front Page in favor of the newest version of Claris Front Page for their intranet and Home Banking applicatons. They are a Microsoft shop so I was very supprised. - -- Mark Pierce markpi@oz.sunflower.org PA22/20 N3817P - SWPC Nieuport 11 N4140C - The Dawn Patrol KR2S (future) http://www.sunflower.org/~dstarks/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:59:12 -0700 From: "Jeb" Subject: Re: KR: lead casting I used cardboard as per manual, 1st try I didn't use enuf tape and ruined my formica countertop but next two came out OK, a little filing/grinding and they're the right weight too. John Bryhan jeb@thuntek.net // www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm Los Alamos, NM - ---------- > From: brian whatcott > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: lead casting > Date: Thursday, October 30, 1997 5:57 PM > > Please don't pour any molten metal into anything that's moist. > The results are unpleasant. > I have cast lead pigs using clay bricks on a concrete floor. > The bricks that were not absolutely dry sent clay shards flying > fast... I would have used firebrick if I'd had any. > Brian > > At 12:47 10/30/97 -0800, you wrote: > >Hey netters > > > >Who out there has had "perfect" successful lead casting experiences? I have > >casted my own bullets (yea Im a gun packing republican, so what!!) but I > >had machined molds made from aluminum. What is the best for casting lead? > >Wet sand , damp sand, dry sand, wood? > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Micheal Mims > >Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > > > > > > brian whatcott > Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:58:33 -0500 (EST) From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Re: Construction Manual In a message dated 97-10-24 15:13:52 EDT, you write: << Let me get this straight, we're talking construction manual, free online. Don't you think Rand Robinson is going to see this as taking food out of their mouths? I suppose we could offer it to her and then she could start selling it. >> Whoa, nothing I write is for sale. Not by me, and not by anyone else. If I write it, and you can use it, it's yours for the asking. Period. I've been gone for a week, I just got caught up on my KRNet mail. I was planning on putting together a complete package from start to finish on my airplane, and I'll probably still do that, but I really like the "Global KR Construction Notes" idea. I'd offer one caveat to that, and that is that everyone can contribute, but no one can criticize. At the risk of repeating something that may have been in a post that I deleted, the more ideas on how to accomplish a particular task, the better. Give the builders guidance AND a choice..... man, ya gotta love this internet. Cheers! Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #154 *****************************