From: Majordomo@teleport.com[SMTP:Majordomo@teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 1997 3:37 PM To: john bouyea Subject: Majordomo file: list 'krnet-l' file 'v01.n156' -- From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com (krnet-l-digest) To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #156 Reply-To: krnet-l-digest Sender: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Errors-To: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Precedence: bulk krnet-l-digest Sunday, November 2 1997 Volume 01 : Number 156 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 03:57:22 -0500 (EST) From: N911TB@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Tom Bagnatto's KR-1 Raising the comp ratio is done by using thinner spacers between the block and cylinders. In my case, removal of the spacers. Sounds simple enough, but if the change is large enough, you should make up a new set of pushrods to avoid changing the rocker arm geometry. Best check with Steve on how far you can go. No carb heat. The short exhaust stacks and tight cowl leave no room for a heat muff. Neither the KR nor I are considered "all-weather" models. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 08:06:40 -0600 From: " Mike Filbrandt" Subject: KR: Re: Warnke Propellers Rick, It's good hear that there is someone else out there that has one of these props. I also have an "ACS" prop on my KR-1 with an 1834. I had never heard of it 'til I bought this plane. I don't know if the numbers from mine would help at all, but if so, let me know & I can get them for ya tomorrow. Blue Skies, Mike - ---------- > From: EagleGator@aol.com > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: Warnke Propellers > Date: Friday, October 31, 1997 7:56 PM > > Is anyone flying behind a Warnke "almost constant speed" propeller? I got > one with my engine, and I want to make sure it's the right size/pitch. The > engine is a Revmaster 2100DT, and the propeller is 52x52. Based on what I've > seen of standard fixed pitch props, I think 54x56 is more common, but this > prop is a different design. Dan Diehl flew behind one of the first of these > props, and reported some impressive improvements in performance over the > standard prop he was using, namely a 50% improvement in climb rate and a 10 > mph increase in cruise. I'm going to try and get in touch with him and find > out what size prop he was using, but any other info out there would be much > appreciated. Thanks! > > Cheers! > Rick Junkin > EagleGator@aol.com > St Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 09:26:49 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: Tom Bagnatto's KR-1 At 03:57 11/1/97 -0500, Tom wrote: >Raising the comp ratio is done by using thinner spacers between the block and >cylinders. In my case, removal of the spacers. Sounds simple enough, but if >the change is large enough, you should make up a new set of pushrods to avoid >changing the rocker arm geometry. Best check with Steve on how far you can >go. > >No carb heat. The short exhaust stacks and tight cowl leave no room for a >heat muff. Neither the KR nor I are considered "all-weather" models. > >Tom > > Here I am coming out on the side of the blue meanies, when I say: I'm disappointed they let you loose without carb heat. I'd better make your acquaintance fast, before you become a statistic. Brian brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 07:58:09 -0600 (CST) From: julie flesner Subject: KR: need help on A.H. wiring Fellow netters, I have a Bendix Aviation model 14601-1A-A1 artifical horizon that is 28V , 3 phase, 400 cycle. I also have a Century Instrument Corp. model 1600, 14vdc to 28vac converter. My problem is that when the instrument was removed from the aircraft, they simply cut the wires. Does anyone on the net have the knowledge or resource available to tell me how to wire these two together? It is a nice looking instrument and was supposed to be working fine when it was removed for a panel upgrade. One of it's features is a non-tumbling aerobatic gyro(it was built for the Navy). The best part was it was only $100 for the gyro and converter !!!!! I had to take a chance at that price!!! Any help or guidance would be appreciated. Southern Illinois University Aviation Tech. Dept. may be able to help me out but I haven't had a chance to call anyone over there yet. Larry Flesner larryfle@midwest.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 00:47:28 -0500 From: Dennis Ambrose Subject: Re: KR: A "how to" question about wing gap seals At 08:02 AM 10/30/97 -0800, you wrote: >At 01:13 AM 10/30/97 -0800, Ross wrote: >>Ed, >> =A0I haven't looked at solving this yet myself, but I was thinking of >>preparing aluminum or glass cover strips. =A0At one point velcro came >>into mind, but it's a long story.=20 >> -- Ross > >Netters, When I build my outer wings my plan was to foam the entire wing, >includeing the gap where the outer wings bolt on. =A0I had plan to glass= over >this area and leave it. =A0I dont see any reason I would need to pull the >wings off in the future. =A0I dont plan on bringing the project home= because I >have a hanger to keep it in. =A0Am I missing anything? =A0Is there a reason= the >wing have to be made removable? =A0Thanks! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Have you ever considered the consequences of an off field landing and how you would get the plane trailered back to the airport with a one piece= wing?? regards Dennis (in Toronto) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 10:02:13 -0500 (EST) From: KRkip@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Warnke Propellers I have been flying behind a Warnke 52/52 prop in my Kr2 for 400hrs and i use a Revmaster 2100 and it has been prefect for me. Regards Kr Kip Kip Lounsbury Lincoln Maine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 10:26:21 -0500 (EST) From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: KR: Re: Construction Manual - Copyright In a message dated 97-10-31 23:59:25 EST, you write: << Sadly, placing intellectual property ( fancy term for created works) in the public domain as a generous act means people can do with it what they wish - including altering and reselling it. So you need to retain a copyright to prevent its resale. Brian brian whatcott Altus OK >> Thanks for the info, Brian, I had forgotten about that. It's been a long time since I applied for a copyright (about 20 years), I'll research it this weekend and get the letter/paperwork in the mail this week! BTW netters, everything I put together will still be available for your use gratis, you'll just have to ask me first before you make 1,000 copies and sell them to Miguel for distribution in the Banana Republic..... ;-} Cheers! Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 10:50:49 -0500 (EST) From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: KR: Flight Testing AC In a message dated 97-11-01 03:15:24 EST, you write: << There is also a AC on test flying... but thats another section. (I'm saving this post for the weekend.) >> The AC Ross is talking about is AC 90-89A, Amateur-Built Aircraft and Ultralight Flight Testing Handbook, mine is dated 5/24/95. It is available from the U.S. Government Printing Office for $6.50, add 25% for foreign orders. I have a listing of U.S. Government bookstores and international distributors, send me a private email with your location and I'll send you the address closest to you. BTW, this AC was the basis for the test plan I'm writing, although after the latest revision I'm working on I can only say that it is "losely based" on it now. Good source of useful information! Cheers! Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 10:57:53 -0500 (EST) From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Warnke Propellers In a message dated 97-11-01 10:04:40 EST, you write: << I have been flying behind a Warnke 52/52 prop in my Kr2 for 400hrs and i use a Revmaster 2100 and it has been prefect for me. Regards Kr Kip Kip Lounsbury >> Hi Kip, Thanks for the info! I have a very old letter from Bernie to the guy who originally bought the prop I have and it recommended a 52x56 for the Turbo Revmaster, but the prop he got is 52x52. I'd appreciate any performance numbers you can pass my way, including gross weights if you've got them. Thanks! Cheers! Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 11:15:27 -0500 (EST) From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Re: Warnke Propellers In a message dated 97-11-01 09:16:33 EST, you write: << I don't know if the numbers from mine would help at all, but if so, let me know & I can get them for ya tomorrow. Blue Skies, Mike >> Hi Mike, Yes, please, send the info. It will also add another data point to Brian's engine/prop study. Thanks! Cheers! Rick Junkin EagleGator@aolcom St. Charles Mo ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 08:49:10 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Tom Bagnatto's KR-1 At 09:26 AM 11/1/97 -0600, brian whatcott wrote: >Here I am coming out on the side of the blue meanies, when I say: >I'm disappointed they let you loose without carb heat. > >I'd better make your acquaintance fast, before you become a statistic. > >Brian >brian whatcott >Altus OK > I think he is running an Ellison, is that right Tom? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 08:55:50 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: A "how to" question about wing gap seals At 12:47 AM 11/1/97 -0500, Dennis Ambrose wrote: >Have you ever considered the consequences of an off field landing and how you would get the plane trailered back to the airport with a one piece wing?? > > >regards Dennis (in Toronto) > If I have an off field landing I can always unbolt the wings and use a hacksw blade to cut the skin if needed and trailer it back to the airport. The possibilities of the off airport forced landing will be minimized as I don't plan to run a VW or Soob. Someone else mentioned concern about selling it and it being a selling point. I would never sell any aircraft I build, If it is a decent flyer I will give it to my son when he besides to get his license. Otherwise it will end up sawed in half and coming out of the wall in my dream house! Mike "no gap seals required" Mims ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 11:25:23 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: KR: Props At 22:48 10/31/97 -0500, you wrote: >I'll let you know then how it performs. Another data point for the scatter >plot..... Thanks again! > >Cheers! >Rick > If I had just got my butt in gear at the gathering with a tape and protractor, I think I could have done something like this: 1) Measure tip to tip = D inches 2) Measure tip to ground, each blade, and equalize. 3) D/8 for 75% of blade, as measured from the tip. 4) measure angle of back to vertical at point D for both blades, a and b 5) calculate (a+b)/2 = c degrees 6) Pitch = 3/4 pi D tan(c) (for a helical blade, no slip) How difficult could it be to size up a whole flock of KRs? Regards brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 09:45:40 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: A "how to" question about wing gap seals At 08:55 AM 11/1/97 -0800, Micheal Mims wrote: >Someone else mentioned concern about selling it and it being a selling >point. I would never sell any aircraft I build, If it is a decent flyer I >will give it to my son when he besides to get his license. Otherwise it >will end up sawed in half and coming out of the wall in my dream house! Man I should not type until after my first cup of coffee! What I meant to saw was I could saw it in half and mount the forward half to the wall over the fireplace as though the plane was coming out of the wall! And I think I would use a hacksaw blade and not a hacksw blade! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 10:17:42 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: A "how to" question about wing gap seals At 09:45 AM 11/1/97 -0800, Micheal Mims wrote: The possibilities of the off airport forced landing will be minimized as I don't plan to run a VW or Soob. Oh yea I wanted to add that I don't mean to give VW and Soob guys a hard time but statistics show that 99.9% of KR, engine related off airport landings were powered by a VW. Maybe that's because 99.9% of all KRs are powered by VWs?!? Regardless I feel better in my mind using a Continental or a Lyc! I told myself from the beginning that was what I wanted to do but strayed away from that original thought and considered the Soob and VW. I am open minded about various powerplants but at this time a certified engine is the way to go, at least for me! If you guys (krnet old timers) remember I said I would use a Lyc or a Continental if one came along at the right time and at the right price, well one did! You may also remember the stories I had mentioned about all the darn tinkering that the VWs (the ones I am familiar with) required to stay alive! Well I don't want to tinker I want to fly! If you planed to use a VW or a Soob please do so! I guess what I am trying to say is there is nothing wrong with using one it just aint what I want! Yea I know "aint" aint a word! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 12:33:26 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: KR: Props (2) (Second attempt to get a procedure that makes sense..._ If I had just got my butt in gear at the gathering with a tape and protractor, I think I could have done something like this: 1) Measure tip to tip = D inches 2) Measure tip to ground, each blade, and equalize. 3) D/8 for 75% of blade, as measured from the tip = E. 4) measure angle of back to vertical at point E for both blades, a and b 5) calculate (a+b)/2 = c degrees 6) Pitch = 3/4 pi D tan(c) (for a helical blade, no slip) How difficult could it be to size up a whole flock of KRs? Regards brian whatcott Altus OK brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 16:45:35 -0500 (EST) From: N911TB@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Tom Bagnatto's KR-1 Yup, it's an Ellison. They are less prone to picking up ice than a regular carb, but not immune to it. Avoiding it takes common sense and good judgement. By the way Brian, what did the FAA say when they inspected your KR? Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 16:58:44 -0500 (EST) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Mr. Vinylester Q. Horse In a message dated 97-11-01 03:16:47 EST, you write: << How did this thread get to be called "the vinyl ester HORSE"? > >I don't get it. > >Oscar I'm curious too Oscar. I don't know if it means like beating a dead one or getting on one and riding off into the sunset. ;) >> OK, OK... On KRNet, any subject that gets "worked" over to a point that there are diminishing returns, is akin to "beating" a dead horse." We have some code phrases to remind each other that the subject is old, or getting old. So the natural evolution is anything "horse" is a reference to a subject smelly and going bad fast. Every so often, one of us will go out to the barn and drag a dead horse (topic) into the corral for a bit of flogging before we load it into the glue factory bound truck. Sure makes you think twice about licking the back of a stamp… So there you have. KRNet lore…or was that bore? Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 17:10:17 -0500 (EST) From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: need help on A.H. wiring > I have a Bendix Aviation model 14601-1A-A1 artifical > horizon that is 28V , 3 phase, 400 cycle. I also have > a Century Instrument Corp. model 1600, 14vdc to 28vac > converter. > > My problem is that when the instrument was removed from > the aircraft, they simply cut the wires. Does anyone > on the net have the knowledge or resource available > to tell me how to wire these two together? If the gyro was designed to be powered by AC, the wires on it will not be marked (+) and (-), but should both be the same (assuming there are two of them). Theefore, you should be able to hook it up either way to the AC output terminals of the converter. I presume the input terminals of the converter ARE marked (+) and (-). If not, you could try connecting them up to a battery and see which way gives you AC on the output terminals. If you mean the wiring is so confused that you can't even tell which terminals on the converter are input and which are output, you've got me stumped. Interesting idea to use an electric attitude indicator in a KR. I didn't know KR's were recommended as IFR platforms. . . . Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 17:10:25 -0500 (EST) From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: A "how to" question about wing gap seals In a message dated 97-10-29 13:49:23 EST, you write: >There are no plates to cover the lower wing surface holes. > >I have three ideas at this point; > >A. Wrap the gaps with clear plastic sheet (top & bottom surfaces), put the >aluminum plates in place (without screws), lay a strip of fiberglass over the > >the plastic and plates. Lay on a fairly thick coat of resin. Slap another >sheet >of plastic around the entire mess. When cured, trim, drill finish, pray. > >or > >B. Cut a strip of .040 aluminum 5" wide and long enough to cover the entire >top >and bottom gap. Glue a thin strip of rubber to one side of it. Attach it to >the >top rear surface over the gap, and then gently bend the whole thing into >shape >around the leading edge and attach it to the lower rear surface just in front >of >the aileron linkage. > >or > >C. Try to find a 5" wide length of some heavy plastic material (like vinyl >house >siding) and try to heat/form it to the leading edge shape and wrap it around >the >wing over the gaps. > >Ugh! Anyone have any good ideas about this? At this point I don't want to >permanently glass over the gaps, eventhough that's what ultimately looks the >best. Doesn't the manual just say to cover the gap with Mystic Tape? I remember this stuff from long ago as a shiny cloth tape in many colors, but I haven't tried to find it for years. Is it still available and does it work OK? I was thinking it could cover the gap and also be used for decorative stripes so everything would color-match properly. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 17:24:36 +0000 From: Steve Bennett Subject: Re: KR: Rex Taylor would not recommend using a used engine case at this late date. The VW in a junk yard "today" is usually there for a reason, and its not because it took a hit. Cases are not made to last forever. S Bennett ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 17:27:22 -0500 (EST) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Mr. Vinylester Q. Horse "BORE" ----- is that like boring holes into spars? ( i am kidding ) so, how about building spars the full leagnth, maybe that would work? oh, this isn't and old horse is it? so mims doesn't like vw or soobs, how many failings does a cert. engine have against vw or soobs? just a ?, not trying to start anything, just wanted to know. tandem2 type-4 ( i think ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 17:30:04 -0500 (EST) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: need help on A.H. wiring i may be wrong, but i beleave there are a couple around that is ifr. tandem2 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 17:35:14 +0000 From: Steve Bennett Subject: Re: KR: Warnke Propellers 52 x 56 is extreamly healthy in the pitch department. would not recommend it. s. bennett ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 17:37:50 +0000 From: Steve Bennett Subject: Re: KR: Warnke Propellers interresting post. A re-drive sub that does about 100 hp only turn 7 in more pitch than an 70 hp 2180cc vw HUMMMMMMMMMM. steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 16:36:22 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: Tom Bagnatto's KR-1 At 16:45 11/1/97 -0500, you wrote: >Yup, it's an Ellison. They are less prone to picking up ice than a regular >carb, but not immune to it. Avoiding it takes common sense and good >judgement. > >By the way Brian, what did the FAA say when they inspected your KR? > >Tom > > Avoiding temps of 60degF and 50%RH is not so easy in my estimation. But as to the feds - if only they had a chance to comment on a plane of mine - I have been featherless for too long now... Regards brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 16:53:04 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: Warnke Propellers At 17:37 11/1/97 +0000, you wrote: >interresting post. A re-drive sub that does about 100 hp only turn 7 >in more pitch than an 70 hp 2180cc vw HUMMMMMMMMMM. steve > > The diameter doesn't give room for much debate - but people measure pitch at different fractions of the blade, and in different ways - so comparing a Prince and a Sterba doesn't necessarily compute... Regards brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 17:54:53 -0600 From: John Roffey Subject: Re: KR: A "how to" question about wing gap seals Micheal Mims wrote: > > At 12:47 AM 11/1/97 -0500, Dennis Ambrose wrote: > >Have you ever considered the consequences of an off field landing and how > you would get the plane trailered back to the airport with a one piece wing?? > > > > > >regards Dennis (in Toronto) > > > > If I have an off field landing I can always unbolt the wings and use a > hacksw blade to cut the skin if needed and trailer it back to the airport. > The possibilities of the off airport forced landing will be minimized as I > don't plan to run a VW or Soob. > > Someone else mentioned concern about selling it and it being a selling > point. I would never sell any aircraft I build, If it is a decent flyer I > will give it to my son when he besides to get his license. Otherwise it > will end up sawed in half and coming out of the wall in my dream house! > > Mike "no gap seals required" Mims > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Hey Mike, I'm making a scale model of the KR2 for a weathervane to put on the cuppola on my shop. Maybe your dream house will large enough to accomidate your plane as a weathervane. Hey you could sit in it on windy days and you wouldn't need to go to the airport. Save gas too! John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 15:16:09 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Mr. Vinylester Q. Horse At 05:27 PM 11/1/97 -0500, you wrote: so mims doesn't like vw or soobs, how many failings does a cert. engine have against vw or soobs? >tandem2 > Didnt say I didn't like them I have just decided "I" don't want to fly behind one. Their pretty cool little engines and I have been impressed by the amount of thrust and acceleration VW powered aircraft have. I have thousands of hours behind certified aircraft engines and not one has failed me yet. Those are pretty good odds wouldn't you say? I am sure there are VW drivers out there with hundreds of hours of operation and no failures, that just aint the case in the aircraft I am familiar with. If you install a VW or Soob there is tinkering and experimentation that I don't want to do. I am trying to get this airplane in the air as quickly as possible and skipping some of the tinkering and experimentation should help correct? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 15:24:21 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Mr. Vinylester Q. Horse At 05:27 PM 11/1/97 -0500, you wrote: , how many failings does a cert. engine have against vw or soobs? just a ?, not trying to start anything, just wanted to know. > >tandem2 > >type-4 ( i think ) > > If you find a accident report that involved a Continental or a Lycoming installed in a KR and was the fault of the engine I would like to know! Your decision to go with the type 4 was one of the first I kicked around but after some research I had found they like to snap cranks! There have been MANY broken cranks in type 4s. I don't know why but that was good enough to make me look elsewhere for HP. The new rear drive may alleviate this a bit but as Steve said in a earlier post the 2180 has the same amount of torque because of the its longer stroke so why spend the extra money and time on a type 4? Now a 2800 or a 3000 cc type 4 might be a different story! But now your talking $$$$ almost as much as a O-200! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 15:25:27 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: need help on A.H. wiring At 05:30 PM 11/1/97 -0500, you wrote: >i may be wrong, but i beleave there are a couple around that is ifr. > >tandem2 > Yep there are, and they are used in IMC on a regular basis. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 15:28:07 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Warnke Propellers At 05:37 PM 11/1/97 +0000, you wrote: >interresting post. A re-drive sub that does about 100 hp only turn 7 >in more pitch than an 70 hp 2180cc vw HUMMMMMMMMMM. steve > I still have a hard time believing that the KRs I have witness trying to climb out of ground effect (solo) utilizing a E-81 and a redrive make more than maybe 65 hp! Seriously! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 15:30:45 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Tom Bagnatto's KR-1 At 04:36 PM 11/1/97 -0600, you wrote: >>Yup, it's an Ellison. They are less prone to picking up ice than a regular carb, but not immune to it. Avoiding it takes common sense and good judgement. >> >Avoiding temps of 60degF and 50%RH is not so easy in my estimation. > >But as to the feds - if only they had a chance to comment on a plane >of mine - I have been featherless for too long now... > The two Ellison install that I am familiar with have carb heat installed (because the feds said to do it) but it is never used nor has there been any hint of carb ice. Ellisons are cool but cost major $$$$ The one for my O-290 is around $1200! Gack! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 17:43:23 -0600 (CST) From: julie flesner Subject: Re: KR: need help on A.H. wiring At 05:10 PM 11/1/97 -0500, you wrote: >> I have a Bendix Aviation model 14601-1A-A1 artifical >> horizon that is 28V , 3 phase, 400 cycle. I also have >> a Century Instrument Corp. model 1600, 14vdc to 28vac >> converter. >> >> My problem is that when the instrument was removed from >> the aircraft, they simply cut the wires. Does anyone >> on the net have the knowledge or resource available >> to tell me how to wire these two together? > >If the gyro was designed to be powered by AC, the wires on it will not be >marked (+) and (-), but should both be the same (assuming there are two of >them). Theefore, you should be able to hook it up either way to the AC >output terminals of the converter. I presume the input terminals of the >converter ARE marked (+) and (-). If not, you could try connecting them up >to a battery and see which way gives you AC on the output terminals. If you >mean the wiring is so confused that you can't even tell which terminals on >the converter are input and which are output, you've got me stumped. > >Interesting idea to use an electric attitude indicator in a KR. I didn't >know KR's were recommended as IFR platforms. . . . > >Mike Taglieri > > Mike, The converter has four terminals, one marked 14v buss, one marked output 'A' (grd), one marked output 'B' and one marked output 'C'. The instrument just has three wires coming out of the plug. One is short with a ring connector and is probably ground. The other two must be the ac power legs. I think I may play with it a bit this evening as I'm wiring my panel. I didn't think to check for the DC neg. being the four metel mounting brackets of the converter. I'm inclined to think the 14vdc and 28vac (400 cycle) would not share a common ground but then I'm no electronic wiz. I'm also not sure my Simpson Digital meter (A really nice one ) will measure the 400 cycle accuratly. Too many questions, not enough info... I will continue my quest for the right answers. I would hate to blow this thing. I could not afford to replace it !!!! You are right about the KR not being recommended for IFR and I don't intend to fly any IFR. I do intend to do some occasional night time though and I'm sure there will be more then one daytime X-C when I'm going to be glad I have a gyro on board. I'm trying to be "smart" now to save my butt later when I do something "dumb" !!!! I also have an electric T & B and it was going to be my sole gyro until I came accross this unit at a fly-in. Here a pound, there a pound and first thing you know you have "dumbo" on your hands!!!!!!!! Keep it light , keep it light, I know, I know, I know !!!!!!!! Larry Flesner larryfle@midwest.net ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 1997 09:07:32 +0900 From: Mouse@heiwa.com Subject: KR: need help on A.H. wiring KR> Fellow netters, KR> I have a Bendix Aviation model 14601-1A-A1 artifical KR> horizon that is 28V , 3 phase, 400 cycle. I also have KR> a Century Instrument Corp. model 1600, 14vdc to 28vac KR> converter. KR> My problem is that when the instrument was removed from KR> the aircraft, they simply cut the wires. Does anyone KR> on the net have the knowledge or resource available KR> to tell me how to wire these two together? It is a nice KR> looking instrument and was supposed to be working fine KR> when it was removed for a panel upgrade. One of it's KR> features is a non-tumbling aerobatic gyro(it was built KR> for the Navy). The best part was it was only $100 KR> for the gyro and converter !!!!! I had to take a chance KR> at that price!!! KR> KR> Any help or guidance would be appreciated. Southern Illinois KR> University Aviation Tech. Dept. may be able to help me out KR> but I haven't had a chance to call anyone over there yet. KR> Larry Flesner KR> larryfle@midwest.net Why not contact the local avionics shop and asked the person there. I'm sure he would know or at least would have the book to tell him which wires are what. That's if he is a authorized Bendix dealer. Also why not try to contact Bendix directly, give them your type, model number and serial number on the instrument. With that they are sure to know about the wiring of the thing. Tim Schuy KR-2S builder in Japan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 17:38:54 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Upsidedown! Shes upside down! Woo Hoo! I ended up building a rocking horse like jig that clamped to the firewall. This allowed just me and the wife to flip it over! Worked pretty slick! So tomorrow,.... belly work! No not mine the KRs! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 01:12:37 -0500 (EST) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: A "how to" question about wing gap seals ya, free wind, wow ,what a fly, wouldn't have to worry about all those vw and soobs crashing either, ya, i say go for it. tandem2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 01:19:37 -0500 (EST) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Mr. Vinylester Q. Horse i would agree with that, don't worry, i am just pulling your leg, we all have to do what we have to do. i am not building yet and just looking into all possible things which right now is engines, and think that a well put together vw will be alright. tandem2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 01:25:16 -0500 (EST) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Upsidedown! it sounds like you are on your way tandem2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 01:30:46 -0500 (EST) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Vinylester and paint color whose's yellow kr was at the gathering? ask that person how his paint is doing and what did he use? tandem2 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 15:30:45 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Tom Bagnatto's KR-1 At 04:36 PM 11/1/97 -0600, you wrote: >>Yup, it's an Ellison. They are less prone to picking up ice than a regular carb, but not immune to it. Avoiding it takes common sense and good judgement. >> >Avoiding temps of 60degF and 50%RH is not so easy in my estimation. > >But as to the feds - if only they had a chance to comment on a plane >of mine - I have been featherless for too long now... > The two Ellison install that I am familiar with have carb heat installed (because the feds said to do it) but it is never used nor has there been any hint of carb ice. Ellisons are cool but cost major $$$$ The one for my O-290 is around $1200! Gack! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 06:47:17 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: VW engine v. CERTIFIED Micheal Mims wrote: > > > Didnt say I didn't like them I have just decided "I" don't want to fly > behind one. > If you install a VW or Soob there is tinkering and experimentation that I > don't want to do. I am trying to get this airplane in the air as quickly as > possible and skipping some of the tinkering and experimentation should help > correct?------------------ I think that is an important point between the Certified engine and the VW. There are engine failures with Certified engines and there are engine failures with VWs. But with a VW or Soob you have to build it and you leave your self open to a whole list of potential problems usually caused by the builder. The Dragon fly group did a study of all the engine failures they had over the years and almost all were caused by human error that could have been avoided. The majority of the engine failures were caused by fuel problems. Usually the fuel lines were plugged up from not cleaning the fuel tank out properly after they ground and sanded the inside of it. Some were caused by a gravity feed fuel tank that could not provide enough gas. Some had too small fuel lines on a gravity feed tank. Most people would not put a used crankshaft in their engine without a magnaflux exam. But how many builders do a fuel flow test to check if they have enough fuel getting to the engine? Apparantly not very many. Some one posted a list of all of the KR crashes that FAA had listed and if you read them it is increadable how stupid some people are. On this list some guy built a VW engine and then put a used magneto on it with out checking it or rebuilding it. Of course it failed and he crashed. If you read the list of crashes you will see that the far majority of these engine failures I believe could have been avoided. But as Mims brought out, with a Certified engine you don't have to worry about the stupid factor. All the expermintation is already done for you. I might add that I think many of us get to the end of the project and we have the engine mounted and we get in a hurry to fly, we tend to get careless and don't think, or we get sloppy at the end because we just want to fly. And that is where you need to be extra vigilant and careful, especially when you are building your own engine. Sorry for the long post but I am up early and after several cups of coffee..... . . Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - -------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 11:06:51 -0800 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: Flight Testing AC EagleGator@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-11-01 03:15:24 EST, you write: > > << There is also a AC on test flying... but thats another > section. (I'm saving this post for the weekend.) >> > > The AC Ross is talking about is AC 90-89A, Amateur-Built Aircraft and > Ultralight Flight Testing Handbook, mine is dated 5/24/95. It is available > from the U.S. Government Printing Office for $6.50, add 25% for foreign > orders. I have a listing of U.S. Government bookstores and international > distributors, send me a private email with your location and I'll send you > the address closest to you. > > BTW, this AC was the basis for the test plan I'm writing, although after the > latest revision I'm working on I can only say that it is "losely based" on it > now. Good source of useful information! > > Cheers! > Rick Junkin > EagleGator@aol.com > St. Charles MO Rick, You are right, this is a very useful publication. I got mine for free from our local Flight Service Station. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #156 *****************************