From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, November 10, 1997 8:48 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #164 krnet-l-digest Monday, November 10 1997 Volume 01 : Number 164 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:22:13 -0800 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Elevator Trailing Edge Question Austin Clark wrote: > > The elevator trailing edge is quite flimsy. Should I use a straight > backing piece on each side of the trailing edge clamped in position until > the glass / flox has cured? > Austin Clark > KR2S > Pascagoula, MS I clamped a straight piece of wood on the first side, and then sanded and glassed the second. It works great. Put a strip of duct tape on the wood first to serve as a release agent. - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 05:58:20 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Re: KR: Soob cuts >Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 20:38:13 -0600 >From: rmccall >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Subject: Re: KR: Soob cuts >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >Oscar > >How are you doing with the SOOB? I've got an EA-82 waiting in the wings to >start from the ground up. How about giving me all the info you can (carb, >prop, radiators and placement, etc). Have you got photo's? > >Rich >Junction City, KS > Hi, Rich- Unfortunately, time has been at a premium for me, and I haven't yet started in acquiring my engine. John Loram, another local builder, has offered to go with me to sweep the local wrecking yards, and I hope to do that before year-end. There are LOTS of Subarus on the roads around here, due to the 4-wheel drive feature (we get ice and snow). However, I am planning to use the EA-81 with a redrive, Ellison throttle-body, VW Rabbit radiator(s), Modine air-water cooler, and probably a Prince P-Tip prop... size unknown yet. Based on pokes from Mike Mims, I am investigating direct-drive with turbo, but unenthusiastically. I am looking at cruise RPM on the power curves to determine what HP is expected with redrive v.s. direct drive/turbo. I just hate that engine room clutter that goes with the turbo... it's already busy enough with water cooling without adding the turbo. Plus I want to incorporate some sort of silencing beyond straight pipes, which takes up some room too. Join the airsoob list, or take a look at Don Stewart's page (www.si-inc.com/subaru) for more info. I am studying thrust line with belt- and planetary-redrives, and where that puts the Ellison, to determine what kind of intake manifold that will require. I want short and direct, downdraft if possible. And, yes, with carb heat. Some builders have changed their engine mounts from the plans, spreading out the mounting points closer to the corners of the firewall. I like this idea from a structural standpoint. Consensus for ignition seems to be a dual-pickup distributor setup with a single set of NGK platinum plugs. Oil comments are to use what the Subaru manual recommends, and definitely stay away from synthetics in Soobs because it hardens the seals. Sorry I don't have anything to show yet. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 06:01:48 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Re: KR: Doug FIR Mike wrote: READ, READ, READ and then make the decision that is >best for you. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > I hear you, buddy. I'm reading, reading, reading all I can. Eating bran muffins to shorten the time between reading sessions. Oatmeal is good, too, and is said to help prevent colorectal cancer. Oscar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 07:27:38 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Permanently sealing wing gaps At 04:22 AM 11/10/97 -0800, you wrote: Of course I have yet to hear of a wing bolt connection problem from all the guys who did seal up the gap. Have you? > >Ed Newbold >Columbus, OH > No not yet! :o) If I were to make it accessible for inspection, the only thing I could inspect are the 5/8 bolts themselves because my plywood ribs are mounted right up against the ends of the spars. I guess it would be nice to check the torque on these units but on the other hand I think there could be an issue with over torque. I think torquing these units once and leaving is actually safer. But that's just my opinion and its worth,...well you know how much! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 07:29:18 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Permanently sealing wing gaps At 08:13 AM 11/10/97 -0500, you wrote: . I think I would epoxy the fittings to the spars in addition to safetying the bolts if I decided to glass-over and forget them. > >Patrick Thats what I did, the bolts are floxed in place and the nuts are locking type. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 07:33:14 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Soob cuts At 05:58 AM 11/10/97 PST, you wrote: <<< Plus I want to incorporate some sort of silencing beyond straight pipes, which takes up some room too.>>> Its called a turbocharger! :o) Clutter = redrive and electronic injection! HAHAHAHA! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:37:49 -0500 From: smithr Subject: KR: book: stick and rudder Recommended reading for pilots: I have recently read a book called "stick and rudder" (avail from Wicks) and highly recommend it for any pilot. This is not your ordinary book. It is very clearly written to explain how many of our normal ground-based instincts are opposite of what is needed to fly. It goes into great detail about things such as AOA and the stall/spin scenario. I can't imagine flying a plane without reading this book. It has already improved my flying. Bob Smith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:51:16 -0800 From: "parley t. byington" Subject: Re: KR: Permanently sealing wing gaps I haven't heard of any wing bolts coming loose, but I do know that if the WOOD spars are not properly sealed they can start weather checking and cracking. I like to be able to look at these attachments at least once per year during the annual inspection. Regards Parley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:56:36 -0800 From: "parley t. byington" Subject: Re: KR: Soob cuts FYI, I am working on a electronic noise cancelation device which will go in the cockpit of my bird. I had this idea many years ago while I was a flight simulator technician for the Air Force. I was told then by many of my fellow technicians that it would never work. I have since seen my idea put into production on some of the new expensive automobiles and the idea was featured on the, "Discovery Channel." I will let everyone know how it works here in the near future. The device is very simple and not expensive. Regards Parley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:05:49 -0800 From: "parley t. byington" Subject: Re: KR: Re: HAPI Engine Anton I don't know if this would help, but I have an old copy of "How to build a reliable VW Aero Engine", by Rex Taylor, of HAPI engines Inc. I would be happy to send you any information contained in the book. Just let me know what you need and I will see what I can do for you. Regards Parley (N54PB) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:08:24 -0500 (EST) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: VW alum spinner for sale KRNetheads: This was on the Dragon list: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: ksmith@interhop.net (Kevin & Valerie Smith) I have a 10" aluminium spinner and backplate off a VW/KR2 for sale if anyone is looking for one. I'm looking for $60.00 for it if anyone is interested. Can anyone tell me if the TEC prop hub bolt pattern is the same as the HAPI pattern????? Kevin S. Alliston,Ont.,Canada Dragonfly mk IIH, Hapi 1835 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:47:17 -0500 (EST) From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: New WEB Page! HELP. My new web page address is http://members.iclub.org/kr2616tj/ . This page is under MAJOR construction at this time. I plan on posting several of my construction pictures up to the installation of my instrument panel. At the current time the engine is hung and I am in the process of plumbing the panel and manufacturing the wiring harnesses. One of my neighbors is the guy who is doing the electrical restoration on the P-38 recovered from Greenland. It's pretty nice having him owe me a favor. As you will see my panel is a full six instrument configuration with an MX11 Com and electrical elevator trim. In addition to these I have some good pictures from when I flew into the 1995 KR Gathering in TN. I'm the guy whose young son was used to pull names from the hat for prizes. I also have, of course, just some good ol' flying pictures. All of you guys with web pages; if you would please help save me some time, could you please e-mail me at kr2616tj@iclub.org with your web page addresses and any other "cool" (it's pretty cool that cool is cool again) web address so that I can add them as links. I could find most of the addresses, but this would surely help. If anyone is wondering, I am shooting for this summer but could still fall into that 90% done 90% to go. Dana Overall, kr2616tj@iclub.org or kr2616tj@aol.com http://members.iclub.org/kr2616tj/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:54:07 -0500 From: Robert Moreland Subject: Re: KR: Landing gear from automotive leaf spring steel. I just wanted to thank Brian John and Donald for the hints on drilling spring steel. Using a combination of all three replys I was successful. I used a carbide masonry bit, the modeling clay dam and the pipe thread lubricant. For a drill press I used my radial arm saw. It was not exactly the low speed called for, but I was able to apply the necessary pressure. This KRnet is a great thing! Robert Moreland ranland@worldnet.att.net Robert Moreland wrote: > > Dear KR netters: > > I am attempting to design and build a landing gear from a automotive > leaf spring. I think it will be a low cost light weight alternative to > the big $$ options out there. > > A piece of steel 5/16" x 2.5" x 21" is set near vertically and attached > to the main spar at the caps. The axel consists of a 3/4" grade 8 bolt > locked on to the leaf with a nut on both sides of the leaf. > __________________________________________________________________________ > |attach attach 3/4" axel > bolt | > |o o o o > O | > |_________________________________________________________________________| > > The distance from the leaf to the center of the tire is about 3" which > creates a 3" lever arm that bends the leaf. If a camber angle is set > between 7.5 to 15 degrees so that the attach is centered nearly over the > center of the tire, I calculate this set up will easily carry a 4 G > landing at gross weight and is several pounds lighter than the design > given in the manual. > > Here is the problem: I can't figure out how to drill spring steel. I > have turned several drill bits into scrap metal, even when running in > oil. Barely a dent. > > Cutting it is easy. An abrasive wheel does a nice job. > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Robert Moreland > ranland@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: 10 Nov 1997 14:36:12 GMT From: Franciscoeiza@evnet.satlink.net (Francisco Eizayaga) Subject: KR: rotax 582 Hi! i'm a new subscriber from Buenos aires, Argentina. I' building a KR2S but I didn't decide the engine up to now. I have 2 friends that are building one with a 582 and have it quite finshed. Does anybody know somebody who has such an engine in a KR2S? Which will be the expected performance? Best regards, Francisco. ******************************************** Send via E.v. Net BBS UUCP (admin@evnet.satlink.net) ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:06:00 +0800 From: Jed Whitford Subject: Re: KR: Soob cuts At 05:58 AM 10/11/97 PST, you wrote: > > >>Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 20:38:13 -0600 >>From: rmccall >>To: krnet-l@teleport.com >>Subject: Re: KR: Soob cuts >>Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com >> >>Oscar >> >>How are you doing with the SOOB? I've got an EA-82 waiting in the >wings to >>start from the ground up. How about giving me all the info you can >(carb, >>prop, radiators and placement, etc). Have you got photo's? >> >>Rich >>Junction City, KS >> > >Hi, Rich- > >Unfortunately, time has been at a premium for me, and I haven't yet >started in acquiring my engine. John Loram, another local builder, has >offered to go with me to sweep the local wrecking yards, and I hope to >do that before year-end. There are LOTS of Subarus on the roads around >here, due to the 4-wheel drive feature (we get ice and snow). However, >I am planning to use the EA-81 with a redrive, Ellison throttle-body, VW >Rabbit radiator(s), Modine air-water cooler, and probably a Prince P-Tip >prop... size unknown yet. > >Based on pokes from Mike Mims, I am investigating direct-drive with >turbo, but unenthusiastically. I am looking at cruise RPM on the power >curves to determine what HP is expected with redrive v.s. direct >drive/turbo. I just hate that engine room clutter that goes with the >turbo... it's already busy enough with water cooling without adding the >turbo. Plus I want to incorporate some sort of silencing beyond >straight pipes, which takes up some room too. > >Join the airsoob list, or take a look at Don Stewart's page >(www.si-inc.com/subaru) for more info. > >I am studying thrust line with belt- and planetary-redrives, and where >that puts the Ellison, to determine what kind of intake manifold that >will require. I want short and direct, downdraft if possible. And, >yes, with carb heat. > >Some builders have changed their engine mounts from the plans, spreading >out the mounting points closer to the corners of the firewall. I like >this idea from a structural standpoint. > >Consensus for ignition seems to be a dual-pickup distributor setup with >a single set of NGK platinum plugs. Oil comments are to use what the >Subaru manual recommends, and definitely stay away from synthetics in >Soobs because it hardens the seals. > >Sorry I don't have anything to show yet. > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > Oscar Same situation here, there are heaps of soobs on the road; however, hardly any are 81's but not to worry as I'm in a good possition here. Before I looked into this aircraft building thing I bought a subaru. When I start looking into it I find they use modified subaru engines and what do you know it's an EA-81 the same one as in my car. By the time I get to the engine stage I will be out of uni and earning money so I can by a new car and use the engine out of my own car. Anyway best of luck in you r hunt. Jed Whitford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:11:05 +0800 From: Jed Whitford Subject: Re: KR: book: stick and rudder At 12:37 PM 10/11/97 -0500, you wrote: >Recommended reading for pilots: > >I have recently read a book called "stick and rudder" (avail from Wicks) >and highly recommend it for any pilot. This is not your ordinary book. >It is very clearly written to explain how many of our normal >ground-based instincts are opposite of what is needed to fly. It goes >into great detail about things such as AOA and the stall/spin scenario. >I can't imagine flying a plane without reading this book. It has >already improved my flying. > >Bob Smith > > Bob I would have thought that most of you guy's would have read this book already, it's been around for a LONG time. Nonetheless a good read outside of the countless number of books that we already have to read. Jed Whitford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:32:11 +0800 From: Jed Whitford Subject: KR: soob cuts Oscar I was looking at a page I found through links froom the dragion fly page and I found a EA-81 for sale, it hasn't been converted and is still in the car however it does need a little work. You can view the ad at http://www.si-inc.com/subaru/p-classy.htm and the ladies email address is kelly@amtec.com, bets of luck. Jed Whitford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:42:22 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: KR: video Has been a projected date for the '97 KR gathering? John F. Esch Salem, OR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:03:40 -0700 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: video On Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:42:22 -0800 "John F. Esch" writes: >Has been a projected date for the '97 KR gathering? > >John F. Esch >Salem, OR > > Friday, Saturday, Sunday, September 18 - 20, Perry, OK - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:34:48 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Harbor Sales A/C plywood Harbor Sales was listed in Kitplanes as a supplier back in '88-89. I wrote them and they promptly responded. I wound up getting some 3/32 ply as part of an uncompleted project so I never ordered from them, however I considered them a good source based on the response to my inquiry. -- Ross Austin Clark wrote: > > At 17:29 11/8/97 -0800, you wrote: > >In reference to the recent thread about plywood, I got mine at a place > >called Harbor Sales, Co Inc. 1401 Russel St, Baltimore Md > >1-800-345-1712. They run a small ad in Sport Aviation. > > > >Several years ago, the plywood was about 25% cheaper from them than from > >any of the A/C supplies, plus they shipped it for free. They truck to > >the major cities near Baltimore (in my case more that 120 miles) and will > >drop it off at any commercial address, but not a household. The quality > >was great. Anyone near Baltimore should check them out. Other boating > >supply houses may be able to do as well. > >-- > >Don Reid > >mailto:donreid@erols.com > >http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm > > > > > > Good point Don, boating supply houses carry a lot of items that can be > used in KR construction. I'm fortunate to have one about 15 minutes from > home. They carry epoxy, fiberglass, etc ... AND the guys that run the > store are third generation wood boat builders. I've got some good tips > from them. I did'nt tell them I was bulding an airplane untill about the > fourth visit though :-) > > They use and sell a paint that carries the Easypoxy brand. I'm going to > take a close look at it next visit. The guy told me it has the UV barrier > and can be painted directly on to the epoxy. They use West Sytem epoxy as > a wood sealer. They brush it on, sand with 60 grit after curing, then 100 > grit, then apply the Easypoxy paint system. > > Austin Clark > KR2S / Subaru > Pascagoula, MS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:36:28 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Elevator Trailing Edge Question Austin, I had LOTS of problems with the trailing edge. I ended up building up a large blob with FLOX, then sanding it to shape. There was one tip here to use a mylar strip over a streight piece of metal/wood to get a true trailing edge, that sounded like a good idea. This is also a big problem for the trailing edge of the wings. -- Ross Austin Clark wrote: > > I glassed one side of my elevator yesterday, flipped it over after it cured > and sanded down the foam. The trailing edge is quite flimsy. I know the > manual says to scrape out foam at the trailing edge on the second side and > fill with flox just before glassing. This is supposed to stiffen it but I > want to be sure the trailing edge is straight. Should I use a straight > backing piece on each side of the trailing edge clamped in position until > the glass / flox has cured? Any comments and suggestions would be > appreciated. > > Austin Clark > KR2S > Pascagoula, MS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:43:36 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Why KR2S is the best airplane in the world. Mike, Touche' The wings come off... and it was built by an idiot. I have to chuckle. Oh thats right, first it was designend by an idiot, then built and flown by one.... (Well OK, I haven't flown it yet). -- Ross MikeTnyc@aol.com wrote: > > >Top 10 reasons why the KR2S is the BEST airplane in the world. > > > >10 Too small for most mother-in-laws to travel in. > > > > 9 The wings come off for trailering. > > >From bitter experience: when people ask you, "How do you get it to the > airport when you're done building it?" you should never answer, "The wings > come off." Instead say. "The wings are REMOVEABLE." The difference is > significant, especially to the 50% of your friends and relatives who already > think you're a suicidal nut just for wanting to build a plane, but may not > have gotten around to telling you that in plain words yet. No point in > giving them more ammunition than necessary. > > At a recent party, I also was confronted with the inevitable question, "How > can you build a plane that killed its own designer?" I answered that he ran > out of fuel, so it wasn't the plane's fault, which I thought would settle it. > Instead the response was, "Then he must have been an idiot! How can you > build a plane that was designed by an idiot?" You can't win sometimes. > > Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:45:25 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: WHITE PRIMER Mike, Your right about RV snobs... living in Oregon, it's the plane of choice up here. I can't wait to tell them what my fuel consumption is with the VW at cruise... -- Ross Micheal Mims wrote: > > At 07:01 PM 11/3/97 EST, you wrote: > >can you paint your bird darker colors? i don't know, i know i will not, but > >who ever has the yellow bird that was at the gathering, ask him how things > are working out. > > > >thanks > > > >tandem2 > > Painters, wantabe painters, and those who think they want to build an RV > > I hung out with the local RV snobs (actually these guys are OK but still > snobs) this Sunday for brunch. One of them owns a RV6A that won awards at > Copperstate this year (some of you may have seen it), well anyway his plane > is ALWAYS hangered, heck if I invested over $80k in a homebuilt I think it > would reside in a hanger too! OK back to the point, while his RV sat on > the ramp at Copperstate and the desert heat reached searing temperatures his > fiberglass wing tips got soft and sagged. He painted his tips blue (medium > blue) thinking it would be OK as he has seen others painted with colors > other than white. Needless to say he now has some work to do to get his RV > back in shape! So the UV thing may be a concern but like Brian mentioned in > an earlier post, HEAT is our enemy! And I saw proof this weekend! > > Other notes from the conversations, two guys had over $10k invested in > tools alone to build their RV's! Two of them were just hit by the AD note > that is out on the mid size Lycs ($5000 AD I might add) and one said his > fuel bill for the last five months has been over $500 a month! Another guy > said his monthly cost for his 200hp RV6, hanger, fuel, oil and misc, > averaged about $1500 a month last year, not including the annual! Hanging > out with these guys for that brief period reminded me why I am building a > KR, that's for sure!! One thing that I really appreciated was that I didn't > get snubbed and these guys were really interested in my KR after they > learned of the minor mods to improve seating comfort and the fact I was > bolting a O-290 to the front! They mumbled something about being able to > keep up with them! I enquired about their top speeds and cruise speeds and > mumbled something like "yea,.. you MIGHT be able to keep up with me!" :o) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:47:27 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: KR on CD-ROM Yep... CD's are on the to do list for NEXT year. -- Ross Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > >Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:49:41 -0600 (CST) > >From: Steven A Eberhart > >To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >Subject: KR: dragging out the newsletter horse - again > >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >with snips > >I just finished printing out the sections on spar and wing > >construction for the Long-EZ from the Rutan CR ROM's. but > >what a resource for homebuilders! > > > >With the resources here on KRnet we could put together a comparable > >resource for KR builders. It would require getting Rand Robinson and > >the copyright holders of the newsletters on board but a split in > >royalaty payments for the individual copyright holders might do the > >trick. > > > >Steve Eberhart > > > Hi, Steve- > > This wouldn't be all that hard to do, except for the part about getting > the copyright thing straightened out. CD-ROM burners are everywhere > these days (we have one in our office for archiving drawings onto CDs), > and with a little cleaning up and good mastering, it certainly shouldn't > cost anybody $330 to get ahold of one! As my own opinion, it shouldn't > cost anybody more than $20 or $30. > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:53:56 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: assembly question Robert Lasecki wrote: > > I have just noticed that if the header fuel tank is mounted firmly in > place (per plans) then the engine mount bolts are not accessable. As a > matter of fact they are impossible. What is the recommended technique: > bonding the bolts to the forward doubler, using nutplates inside the > compartment between the tank and the doubler and safety-wiring the > bolts from the engine side? I guess this is another area where the > "plans" are not too specific. I called Jeanette and she actually > returned my call with the comment to "make sure the engine mount is > permanently attached before installing the tank. Does it say that > somewhere? I'm diverging.... Can anyone supply a recommendation for > attaching the engine mount reliably? Well, I made my header tank removeable... I'm still working on the brackets so I don't have photos. But it makes it easier to get to the engine mount and do the wiring! -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:54:54 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: KRNet on CD-ROM Oscar... Maybe we can put the past KRONLINE articles on CD-ROM! -- Ross Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > Hey Netters; > > I just checked my cost for a CD blank: it's less than $2.00. I can burn > up to 640MB of data onto one CD-ROM. If you want to put the online KR > Manual, good photos of assembly details, ideas, flight test manual, > whatever... on CD, I can burn them for cheap. Just don't know how much > data we're talking about (photos are mucho kilobytes). I can make these > and ship them anywhere in the US for less than $20, I'll bet. > > I am not talking about doing individual favors for everybody! What I > have in mind here is in RE: the thread about the Rutan stuff on CD-ROM, > and how cool it would be to do the same with KR stuff, for Netters. > > Only catch is, if we do this, I get to design the labels. > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:56:57 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: N415RJ Rick, Did you hear about the Boeing test flight of a 737 in AvWeb? Seems they buzzed haystack rock off the coast of Oregon at about 250AGL. Haystack rock is a big rock on most of the Oregon postcards. Boeing says they are aware of the problem, and that there were "other" problems with this flight. Wish I could have been there to see it. -- Ross EagleGator@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-11-03 23:21:17 EST, you write: > > << At 22:02 11/3/97 -0500, you wrote: > >The tail number is reserved, now all I have to do is finish the > airplane..... > > and the test manual..... and the builder's manual supplement...... > piece > >of cake. Did I mention I'm changing jobs? No big deal, I've heard that > has > >very little impact on your available building time..... Still planning on > >flying to the '98 gathering. > > > >Sorry for rambling, it happens some times. > > > >Cheers! > >Rick > > > > > > New job? > I hear there are strong sucking sounds from the region of Seattle > that are centered on McD ... am I getting warm? > > Regards > Brian > brian whatcott > Altus OK > >> > > Very warm, actually. I'm trading in my Air Force wings for civilian wings. > But I'll be staying here in St Louis, I've lined up a job in the flight test > department at Boeing (formerly McD), working on the F-15 and F-18 programs. > > I was talking to one of the guys in the department about my KR project, and > the chief test pilot happened by and overheard our conversation. He looked > at me and said, "You mean you're building one of those wood, foam, and > fiberglass things? You're not going to FLY it, are you....?" Then he > started chuckling, I'm still not quite sure why. > > I was talking with the same guy the week after I bought my engine, and again > the chief test pilot overheard the conversation and said, "Now let me get > this straight: you paid $3400 for a Volkswagen and didn't even get the > car...?" There's that chuckle again. > > Quite a sense of humor those guys have, huh? > > Cheers! > Rick Junkin > EagleGator@aol.com > St. Charles MO > N415RJ ~35% complete ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:58:18 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: paint sags Ouch.. Paint Heavy! - -- Ross Jeffrey E Scott wrote: > > On Mon, 03 Nov 1997 20:23:08 -0800 Ross writes: > >A old body pro used to joke, that if it starts to run, just lay it on > >thick and cut it with a razor blade. (He was joking of course.) However > >I got the impression from him that it was better to spray thicker than > >thin, as you can rub out the finish later. If it's too thin, you don't > >have much to rub out before hitting primer... at least thats what > >I got from it. > > > > -- Ross > > > That's all fine for a paint shop. Remember, this conference is about > painting an airplane where thick paint equals more weight. More weight > equals a slower plane. I was a bit surprised at how much weight I added > to my plane by painting it. Also, the paint moved the CG back slightly > as well. Now, I know somebody's gonna ask how much weight did it add and > how much of a CG shift. Well, I don't really remember for sure, but the > weight on the tailwheel in the level position changed from 4# to 13#. I > think the overall weight difference was more than 20# and may have been > closer to 25. > > ------- > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > jscott.pilot@juno.com > See N1213W construction and first flight at > http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: > //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:02:48 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Dallas KR Well, Are we talking Dallas TX, or Dallas OR? -- Ross Kerry Miller wrote: > > I must have missed the post about the KR for sale in Dallas, but isn't OR a > long way to drive to look at it? I live East of Dallas, but work in > Dallas. If it would help, give me the info, I'll contact the guy and burn > some film on it. I have a roll I need to finish anyway. I'll scan the pix > and email the files to you. > > What a deal! If I can help, just let me know how to contact the guy and > I'll work something out. It might take a few days, but probably less time > than a trip from OR, and a lot cheaper! > > Kerry Miller > Royse City, TX > > Sole owner of half of a KR2... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:10:21 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Cutting KR in half for real I like your idea. I had a boat following me around for several years. Now however it looks like a plane, but everyone comments on the stubby wings... (they are at the airport). -- Ross Robert Moreland wrote: > > If you are tight for space and you want to get on with your project, > start by building your wing spars and the fuselage sides then SKIP THE > BOAT assembaly. Move on to the tail feathers, they can be build > seperately. Get all of your metal work done, and start on the canopy > and turtle-deck, you don't really need the boat to build them. Build > your fuel tanks so that they can be dropped into place later. Lay out > your instrument panel. > > What you will then have, is a fast-build-kit that takes up very little > space. When there is nothing left to do, then build your boat in a > rented space, put it altogether and go fly. > > I am doing it this way but for a different reason. I understand myself > enough to know that I am very good at starting projects but finishing > them always takes too much time because I get bored. If I delay the > construction steps that are the easiest and the most exciting, (i.e. the > boat) I can make completion the most exciting part instead of having a > long list of details at the end. > > I don't want a boat staring me in the face for the next 2, 3 or five > years. > > Robert Moreland > ranland@worldnet.att.net > > smithr wrote: > > > > MikeTnyc@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > I know this thread has been in jest, but I've been toying with cutting a KR > > > in half in the literal sense. As I've mentioned here before, I'm having a > > > hard time finding a place to build, and even if I could build a plane in my > > > apartment, I'd have a hell of a time getting it out, since the tailfeathers > > > would prevent it from being carried through a normal doorway (not to mention > > > down flights of stairs). > > > > > > Since a long tapered splice is considered to be as strong as the wood itself, > > > however, could the rear end of the boat be sawn-off with suitable tapers and > > > epoxied on again after the plane was removed from the workshop? . > > > > Mike, > > Although what you suggest might be a solution, I don't think its the > > best solution. The KR is hard enough to build without introducing more > > problems. I would put my effort into trying to find a better place to > > build nearby. Ask people and see what you find. Ask at a nearby airport. > > Best of luck! (PS I'm starting mine in a small basement, then 1 car > > garage. Basement is working great) > > > > Bob Smith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:13:05 -0600 From: Kerry Miller Subject: Re: KR: Dallas KR At 08:02 PM 11/10/97 -0800, you wrote: >Well, > Are we talking Dallas TX, or Dallas OR? > > -- Ross Sorry, Ross. Dallas, TX. Too far to drive from OR to look at a "boat". I still haven't heard from the guy yet... Kerry Miller Royse City, TX 40 miles East of Dallas, TX (Considerably farther South of Dallas, OR) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:23:08 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Re: HAPI Engine Anton, I just got your email and I will mark it UNREAD so I will get back to it. I'm pretty swamped these days, but will try to dig up what I can this weekend. -- Ross PIERRE & ANTON FOUCHE' wrote: > > Hi All > > Me Anton again. > We've (my dad and I) have removed the engine and are about to > strip the engine for rebuild but would appreciate if someone can > help with the following questions . > > 1)We require information concerning the electronic ignition system. > a)Need wiring diagram > b)Is there a electronic switchbox required to switch the current > through the ignition coils ? > c)Does someone know who manufacters the ignition system and > if possible there address ? > > 2)What type of starter is used on the engine ? > > 3)Where can spare alternator components be purchased ? (Great Plains??) > > 4)What type of oil should be used with the engine ? > > 5)What type of gas is the engine designed to run on ,avgas or autogas ? > > 6)Where can one get a copy of HAPI engine manual from ? > > I hope one of you netters can help us out ,as you can see we have no > documentation with this engine. > > Kind regards > Anton Fouche' > P-I-F@pixie.co.za > South Africa > +27 11 4777448 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:27:15 -0800 From: Ross Subject: KR: Howdy Howdy KRnetters. I finally caught up on 140 emails. Hopefully I didn't reply to too many (bad habit of mine). Spent last Friday at a fellow EAA chapter members house at a "uncrating" pot-luck party. He just bought a Zodiac. If you've got 12K burning a hole in your pocket, a kit seems like a pretty cool idea. All sorts of pieces, and all you have to do is drill them and screw them up, order more, and start over. Potentially this weekend some other EAA folks are going to help me move my baby back to the hangar. I'll let you know how it goes. I'm going to have to invest in a propane heater to keep from freezing out there. Oh, the wife thinks we should rip out the carpet and put in wood flooring... I agree with the rip out the carpet, but this impacts the build plan... UGH. -- Happy November! Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:47:36 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: video My mistake. When is the projected release date for the '97 KR gathering Video? Jeffrey E Scott wrote: > On Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:42:22 -0800 "John F. Esch" > writes: > >Has been a projected date for the '97 KR gathering? > > > >John F. Esch > >Salem, OR > > > > > Friday, Saturday, Sunday, September 18 - 20, Perry, OK > ------- > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > jscott.pilot@juno.com > See N1213W construction and first flight at > http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: > //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #164 *****************************