From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 1997 1:00 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #168 krnet-l-digest Saturday, November 15 1997 Volume 01 : Number 168 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:45:15 -0800 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Resin post curing process smithr wrote: > > > In Ron Alexander's article (Composite Construction - Part II in the > > > November "Sport Aviation") he has a couple of paragraphs about the > > > importance of post curing the resin. > > Wrap everthing in black plastic and leave it in the sun. > Can this be done a year or 2 later? Isn't there a chance for > joint damage doing this? > > Bob Smith The epoxy will soften at the higher temperatures, so if there are any stresses on the parts, they would tend to creep. With minimal built-in stresses and no extra external loading, it should be fine. If you have a glass gear, I would block the fuselage up and take the load off the gear. - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:17:50 -0500 (EST) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: video In a message dated 97-11-12 04:29:35 EST, Bob wrote: << The original date for completion of the 97 Gathering Video was Nov. 15. Yikes, that's this weekend. I think we'll be close gang. Maybe only a couple of days off. I'll be sure to post a notice on KRNet when it's completed. From the footage I've logged so far (15 hours), it looks like it should be another good video. Of course, I'm partial. (like a mother who thinks that ugly baby is beautiful) Remember, if you flew your KR to Perry or dragged it in on a trailer, you'll be getting a free copy of the video. >> Pleazzzze mention to Bob you saw it on KRNet when you order a Video. He is kick'n in a few bucks to KRNet for each order so designated. This is a little extra shot to the kitty each year. You guys recall that Ross is putting new hardwood floors at home to keep the Mrs. happy? So, I imagine he needs all of the extra KRNet money we can send his way... :-) Randy (Ross is now mad at mean) Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:24:38 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: NLF visionary fund KRNetAirfoilHeads, Steven Eberhart returned from the mountaintop with great news. The NLF(1)0115 airfoil is a great choice for the KR2S! In fact, he apparently couldn't recommend anything any better. I'm talking about Michael Selig, professor of aeronautical engineering at the University of Illionois, one of the premier airfoil specialists in the world, and creator of the famous airfoil website. This comes as especially good news for me, as my stub wing templates are already glued on. Larry French (Lionheart designer) did an analysis using this wing and proclaimed it a much lower drag alternative than the RAF48 for the kind of speeds that KR2S are cruising at these days. Mark Lougheed did some CFd analysis and raved over the potential for improvement. The only reservation that Selig has is he would like to do a wind tunnel analysis on an example of the airfoil to prove his analytical assertion that splattered bugs and rain will have very little effect on the characteristics of the airfoil. While he usually charges $5000 for the tunnel time, he told Steven he'd give us a one time good deal of $1000, because he's interested in the results himself. Seems he's an experimental buff too, and wants to help the cause. He even assigned a graduate student to work with Steven and take a look at the KR2S and the RAF48 as a baseline. Bottom line: it's time to pay our dues. If we split this 10 ways, it'll be just about painless at $100 a piece. Me, Randy Stein, and Troy Petteway have already signed up. If you plan on using this slick airfoil, it's time to buy a little insurance. We need 7 more visionaries who will lay the foundation for the next generation of KR2S, the FAST ONE! Troy's building his wings right now. Steven has volunteered to build the wing model for actual testing, not a simple chore, considering it has to be accurate to within .003", so he's doing more than his part. To those who contribute, we'll erect a monument somewhere, with 10 names (or more, if we can get them) inscribed for posterity. It's time again for KRNet to make another giant leap for the cause. This is our chance to validate what we've been preaching for years. Here, have a Kleenex...and email me privately with your vote. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:52:35 -0500 (EST) From: CLauter295@aol.com Subject: KR: Like a look... Folks, I am a wanna be, but I'm getting closer to begining a KR project. Is there a completed or project KR1,2,2S in the DC/VA/MD area I could take a look at? I would like to take a peek at the plans and the other RR materials as well. E:mail reply to me. Thanks Coleman Lauterbach Clauter295@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:54:17 -0500 From: Robert Moreland Subject: Re: KR: Homemade propellers Speaking of homemade propellers and airplanes in general, have you considered the Dilbert principle as it relates to propulsion systems :^) "Proof of the Dilbert Principle" from Dilbert's Scott Adams: Knowledge is Power. Time is Money. And, as every engineer knows: Power = Work / Time If Knowledge = Power, and Time = Money, then Knowledge = Work / Money Solving for Money, we get: Money = Work / Knowledge Thus, Money approaches infinity as Knowledge approaches zero, regardless of the Work done. What this means is: The Less you Know, the More you Make. > > ole Pierce wrote: > > : I found two small books on the subject that give enough > : information to build a prop. One is "Propeller Making" by > : > : Eric Clutton > : 913 Cedar Lane > : Tullshome, TN. 37388 > > Would that be 'Tullahoma' Tennessee?? > > -gun one ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:50:04 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: Homemade propellers Cole Pierce wrote: > > : I found two small books on the subject that give enough > : information to build a prop. One is "Propeller Making" by > : > : Eric Clutton > : 913 Cedar Lane > : Tullshome, TN. 37388 > > Would that be 'Tullahoma' Tennessee?? > > -gun one - --------------------------- YES . Sorry for the typo. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - ------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:05:37 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: NLF visionary fund Mark, This looks like the kind of research KRNET should fund... I will check to see what the KRNET revenue flow looks like, thats an easy $30-40. And I will pitch in some too so count another $100.00 even. -- Ross Mark Langford wrote: > > KRNetAirfoilHeads, > > Steven Eberhart returned from the mountaintop with great news. The > NLF(1)0115 airfoil is a great choice for the KR2S! In fact, he apparently > couldn't recommend anything any better. I'm talking about Michael Selig, > professor of aeronautical engineering at the University of Illionois, one > of the premier airfoil specialists in the world, and creator of the famous > airfoil website. This comes as especially good news for me, as my stub > wing templates are already glued on. Larry French (Lionheart designer) did > an analysis using this wing and proclaimed it a much lower drag alternative > than the RAF48 for the kind of speeds that KR2S are cruising at these days. > Mark Lougheed did some CFd analysis and raved over the potential for > improvement. > > The only reservation that Selig has is he would like to do a wind tunnel > analysis on an example of the airfoil to prove his analytical assertion > that splattered bugs and rain will have very little effect on the > characteristics of the airfoil. While he usually charges $5000 for the > tunnel time, he told Steven he'd give us a one time good deal of $1000, > because he's interested in the results himself. Seems he's an experimental > buff too, and wants to help the cause. He even assigned a graduate > student to work with Steven and take a look at the KR2S and the RAF48 as a > baseline. > > Bottom line: it's time to pay our dues. If we split this 10 ways, it'll > be just about painless at $100 a piece. Me, Randy Stein, and Troy Petteway > have already signed up. If you plan on using this slick airfoil, it's time > to buy a little insurance. We need 7 more visionaries who will lay the > foundation for the next generation of KR2S, the FAST ONE! Troy's building > his wings right now. Steven has volunteered to build the wing model for > actual testing, not a simple chore, considering it has to be accurate to > within .003", so he's doing more than his part. > > To those who contribute, we'll erect a monument somewhere, with 10 names > (or more, if we can get them) inscribed for posterity. It's time again for > KRNet to make another giant leap for the cause. This is our chance to > validate what we've been preaching for years. > > Here, have a Kleenex...and email me privately with your vote. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > email at langford@hiwaay.net > KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:01:19 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: video Hey, If you keep this up I'm going to have to open a special KRNET bank account so I can keep track of all the $10.00 checks I'm getting. - -- Ross BSHADR@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-11-12 04:29:35 EST, Bob wrote: > > << The original date for completion > of the 97 Gathering Video was Nov. 15. Yikes, that's this weekend. I think > we'll be close gang. Maybe only a couple of days off. I'll be sure to post > a notice on KRNet when it's completed. From the footage I've logged so far > (15 hours), it looks like it should be another good video. Of course, I'm > partial. (like a mother who thinks that ugly baby is beautiful) Remember, > if you flew your KR to Perry or dragged it in on a trailer, you'll be > getting a free copy of the video. >> > > Pleazzzze mention to Bob you saw it on KRNet when you order a Video. He is > kick'n in a few bucks to KRNet for each order so designated. This is a > little extra shot to the kitty each year. > > You guys recall that Ross is putting new hardwood floors at home to keep the > Mrs. happy? So, I imagine he needs all of the extra KRNet money we can send > his way... :-) > > Randy (Ross is now mad at mean) Stein > BSHADR@aol.com > Soviet Monica, CA - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:36:19 -0500 (EST) From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Newsletter, woodworking tips >Hey- you sound like a hot glue type of guy. You got something against >duct tape, or what? I thought I'd follow your lead and use hot glue for >other tough household chores. I hot-glued my shoes to the bench last >night- makes it real easy to polish them, but they sure look clunky >today at work since I used my scroll saw to cut away the scrap plywood I >glued 'em to, and the hair dryer is an absolute HANDS-OFF as far as the >wife and daughters are concerned. Any tips on how to get this plywood >off? ;^) Take a hot shower in them, or would that ruin the shine? I love hot-melt glue, which is the fastest way to stick something semipermanently (but it works as a threadlocking compound on motorcycle engines only until they warm up -- ask me how I learned this). I've even used the stuff to hold parts for light-duty turning on a metal-working lathe. Ain't got no wife & kids, so I can keep my hair-dryer by the workbench and use it for heating glue more than drying my hair. The only bad thing about hot-melt is that the stuff is DAMN HOT. Yesterday I was repairing something and got a blob of it on my thumb. Now I have a blister the size of a lima-bean and not too different in color. Mike Taglieri P.S. I downloaded all the KROnlines from various people's pages and kept getting a "that does not compute" message (or whatever it is) when I tried the December one. I'll keep at it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:42:05 -0800 From: Peter Hudson Subject: KR: outer wing panels are done! Hi gang, Well I just put the last coat of paint on my second outer wing panel. They're done and ready to bolt on and go flying. Of course I don't have the fuselage done to bolt them to yet. Grand total was 330 hours from start to finish for the two panels of which 113 hours was micro-sand-feather-fill-sand-prime-sand etc. I'm a little dismayed by the percentage of the task which was "finishing". I thought I had done a pretty good job on shaping too. It's amazing how long it all took. Total weights I'll post after the paint is dry so I can weigh them. Next up is fixing the glue joints on the fuselage followed by 35 more tasks (I tried to break them down into bite sized projects like "install landing lights" or "mount brakes"). My average work time over the last three months was only about 5 hours a week. My wife would argue it was much higher but thats thats how the log worked out. It's partly because I only count working time not "having a beer watching primer dry" time. Well that's it for now. - -Peter Hudson- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 06:50:05 -0500 (EST) From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Here's the JPG KR patch file. Ross, Gee what a thought, I'll tell you what I'll do. I've been thinking that it would be nice to get input from the KRNet'ers about this patch.....so I think I will scan this image onto my webpage the beginning of next week and....let's see.....people could print (and obey all copyright laws) the patch onto iron on paper, you know, just to see how it might work, maybe like a test thing. Look for it next week at a nice dpi. Dana http://members.iclub.org/kr2616tj/ still under major construction ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:52:27 -0600 From: Robert Lasecki Subject: Re: KR: Homemade propellers > EagleGator@aol.com wrote: > > > > Does anyone know anything about the ads in Sport Aviation and Kitplanes for > > plans to make your own props? The prices are low, but I don't want to waste > > my money, either. > > > > Cheers! > > Rick Junkin > > EagleGator@aol.com > > St. Charles MO I found an ad in an older issue of Kitplanes for plans to make a propeller carving machine. Don't know if it is still available. $15.00 Gary McGill & Assoc., PO Box 2506, Glendale AZ 85311. Good luck! Bob Lasecki Chicago @ 600 hours and still sanding ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:59:32 -0600 (CST) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: KR: KR INTERNATIONAL NLF visionary fund I can't believe how fast this project is moving. We now have firm commitments from 6 people and we just received our first international commitment. Richard Mole, United Kingdom, has joined the supporters. Richard has a flying Jodel that he wants to re-wing. Since the Jodel is the European incarnation of the KR philosophy I welcome him to the group. He isn't currently on KRNet but should be soon. Since Richard is an aeronautical engineer he should be a great assett to the group. Steve Eberhart newtech@newtech.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:22:13 -0500 From: mscott@wlgore.com Subject: Re: KR: video Hi, I'm new to this list, interested in the KR. Just saw the post about the KR video. How would I go about obtaining one of these video masterpieces? BTW, any KR builders near the Elkton, MD area? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:37:28 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Re: KR: Resin post curing process >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:39:30 -0800 >From: Robert Maniss >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Subject: KR: Resin post curing process >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >In Ron Alexander's article (Composite Construction - Part II in the >November "Sport Aviation") he has a couple of paragraphs about the >importance of post curing the resin. How are the rest of you handling >that and what are your suggestions? Hi, Robert- Check out the past issues of KROnline Newsletter; there is an article on a hotbox arrangement for handling pieces of limited size. I, too, have been thinking about this topic, since we have probably 9 months of cool/cold nights and without a hotbox, curing could be slow and tedious. Plus the subject of "softening temperature" has come up, wherein the temp you cure your resin at will determine (to some extent) the temp it has to get before it softens up... as in "I parked it in the sun while I went for a Pepsi at the FBO, and now the wings are drooping like a U-2!" The higher the temp you cure the stuff at, the more resistant it seems to be to softening later in life. Oscar Zuniga ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:38:36 -0500 (EST) From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: KR: Homemade propeller research Thanks to everyone for the info. I'm going to order a few of these plans/books, and I'll let y'all know what I get out of them. I'm really interested in making a "club" prop for the test stand runs, so as not to create a major tornado in my garage. Cheers! Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:47:10 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Doug FIR Just though I would pass along that the DR-109, a fully aerobatic = aircraft rated at +-10g and sold through AS&S has Doug FIR spars! HA HA = HA!!! ____________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine CA http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:26:31 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Newsletter, woodworking tips Regarding the December KRONLINE... this may actually not be there I had to empty my disk one night several months ago... I will check. -- Ross MikeTnyc@aol.com wrote: > > >Hey- you sound like a hot glue type of guy. You got something against > >duct tape, or what? I thought I'd follow your lead and use hot glue for > >other tough household chores. I hot-glued my shoes to the bench last > >night- makes it real easy to polish them, but they sure look clunky > >today at work since I used my scroll saw to cut away the scrap plywood I > >glued 'em to, and the hair dryer is an absolute HANDS-OFF as far as the > >wife and daughters are concerned. Any tips on how to get this plywood > >off? ;^) > > Take a hot shower in them, or would that ruin the shine? I love hot-melt > glue, which is the fastest way to stick something semipermanently (but it > works as a threadlocking compound on motorcycle engines only until they warm > up -- ask me how I learned this). I've even used the stuff to hold parts for > light-duty turning on a metal-working lathe. > > Ain't got no wife & kids, so I can keep my hair-dryer by the workbench and > use it for heating glue more than drying my hair. The only bad thing about > hot-melt is that the stuff is DAMN HOT. Yesterday I was repairing something > and got a blob of it on my thumb. Now I have a blister the size of a > lima-bean and not too different in color. > > Mike Taglieri > > P.S. I downloaded all the KROnlines from various people's pages and kept > getting a "that does not compute" message (or whatever it is) when I tried > the December one. I'll keep at it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:29:34 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Here's the JPG KR patch file. The patch BTW, is exactly like the KR pin I have. - -- Ross KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > > Ross, > > Gee what a thought, I'll tell you what I'll do. I've been thinking that it > would be nice to get input from the KRNet'ers about this patch.....so I think > I will scan this image onto my webpage the beginning of next week > and....let's see.....people could print (and obey all copyright laws) the > patch onto iron on paper, you know, just to see how it might work, maybe like > a test thing. Look for it next week at a nice dpi. > > Dana > http://members.iclub.org/kr2616tj/ still under major construction ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:50:17 EST From: leperkins@juno.com (Lloyd Perkins,Jr.) Subject: KR: Finally on THE NET!!!! Dear Gentlemen.......(whoops sorry ) Hey Dudes, ......( nah that's not right either) Fellow Experimental Builders,......(that's much more distinguished) Thank you one and all for allowing me into this forum.... I am not fortunate enough to be building a KR-2 yet.......................... I have a problem saying no to WW-2 replica fighters... I am currently repairing a Loehle 5151 that was crashed and then neglected. One of the biggest problems Im having with this acft is that the Loehle 5151 unopened kit keeps getting in the way. You guessed it , I have two of these acft..... Any way, I am an Aircraft Mechanic and offer my services to anyone who needs some help . Please feel free to call or E-mail me if you have questions that deal with normal Aircraft practices and procedures.Or Aviation regulations. home (540)786-2838 E-Mail LEPERKINS@JUNO.COM Thanks Again, Lloyd ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:50:16 EST From: leperkins@juno.com (Lloyd Perkins,Jr.) Subject: Re: KR: KR2 for sale somebody let me know more about this acft..... Thanks, Lloyd On Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:41:21 -0800 hjfine@wave.net writes: >At 02:03 PM 10/25/97 -0500, you wrote: >>WHAT IS R A H ? I'm interested!!! >> >>Rich McCall >>1518 Holly Lane >>Junction City, KS 66441 >> >>Patrick Flowers wrote: >> >>> This popped up on r.a.h this morning: >>> >>> > For Sale KR2 N76KB 175 Hours TT. Hapi 1835 Slick Mag. Elt, some >instru. >>> > Deihl gear conversion. Needs work, wing and canopy damage. Built >in 1978. >>> > $3000 OBO contact: Harold Shoemaker via E-Mail or 319-396-3651. >>> >>> -- >>> Patrick Flowers >>> Mailto:patri63@ibm.net >> >>If this is still for sale, please let me know. Thanks. Hank >> >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:44:36 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: Doug FIR Anyone have a chainsaw I can borrow? Lot of trees up here!! John F. Esch Salem, OR Micheal Mims wrote: > Just though I would pass along that the DR-109, a fully aerobatic > aircraft rated at +-10g and sold through AS&S has Doug FIR spars! HA > HA HA!!! > > ____________________________ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine CA > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:46:09 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: Finally on THE NET!!!! Welcome aboard Lloyd John F. Esch Salem, OR Lloyd Perkins,Jr. wrote: > Dear Gentlemen.......(whoops sorry ) > Hey Dudes, ......( nah that's not right either) > Fellow Experimental Builders,......(that's much more distinguished) > Thank you one and all > for > allowing me into this forum.... > I am not fortunate enough to be building a KR-2 > yet.......................... I have a problem saying no to WW-2 > replica > fighters... I am currently repairing a Loehle 5151 that was crashed > and > then neglected. One of the biggest problems Im having with this acft > is > that the Loehle 5151 unopened kit keeps getting in the way. You > guessed > it , I have two of these acft..... Any way, I am an Aircraft Mechanic > and > offer my services to anyone who needs some help . Please feel free to > > call or E-mail me if you have questions that deal with normal > Aircraft > practices and procedures.Or Aviation regulations. > home (540)786-2838 > E-Mail LEPERKINS@JUNO.COM > > Thanks Again, > Lloyd ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:31:23 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Epoxy and fuel Something else I wanted to pass along, I was out at the airport today = become the official occupant of my hanger and decided to stop by the = hanger to see if anyone was home. Anyway I looked up on top of the = shelf where I remembered putting a piece of last-a-foam that was wetout = with Aeropoxy in some 100LL about a year ago. I though COOL lets check = it out. (actually I had forgotten about this experiment) Anyway the = piece of foam and both layers of glass were still as hard as ever and = there was no cloudiness in the fuel. I think its safe to say Aeropoxy = if 100LL proof! ____________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine CA http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:21:40 -0800 From: "parley t. byington" Subject: Re: KR: New pictures Mike Sure, just let me know when you are coming and I will try to arrange my schedule to be here. Look forward to seeing ya. By the way, I may be flying by December, I am just waiting to get the physical and the biennial. Regards Parley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:50:25 -0700 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: video On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:22:13 -0500 mscott@wlgore.com writes: > >Hi, I'm new to this list, interested in the KR. Just saw the post >about >the KR video. How would I go about obtaining one of these video >masterpieces? BTW, any KR builders near the Elkton, MD area? > > > mscott, Drop an e-mail directly to our pal Video Bob "bvermeul@concentric.net". He's a professional videographer and does a bang up job on the KR videos. Worth every penny. Don't expect a quick reply as he's often out of town or very busy (hopefully editing the '97 KR Gathering). :o) I think Rand Robinson also sells the videos as well. You can give them a call at (714) 898-3811. Jeff - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:05:38 -0500 (EST) From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Resin post curing process In a message dated 97-11-13 20:24:10 EST, you write: << > > In Ron Alexander's article (Composite Construction - Part II in the > > November "Sport Aviation") he has a couple of paragraphs about the > > importance of post curing the resin. > Wrap everthing in black plastic and leave it in the sun. > Can this be done a year or 2 later? Isn't there a chance for > joint damage doing this? > > Bob Smith The epoxy will soften at the higher temperatures, so if there are any stresses on the parts, they would tend to creep. With minimal built-in stresses and no extra external loading, it should be fine. If you have a glass gear, I would block the fuselage up and take the load off the gear. -- Don Reid >> So it CAN be done a couple years or so after construction? Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:43:11 -0500 (EST) From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Permanently sealing wing gaps >I haven't heard of any wing bolts coming loose, but I do know that if >the WOOD spars are not properly sealed they can start weather checking >and cracking. I like to be able to look at these attachments at least >once per year during the annual inspection. Permanently attaching the wings makes little sense to me, but if a person was absolutely SURE he'd never have to take them off again, wouldn't it be better to do away with the attach fittings altogether and either build the spar in once piece or attach the wing spars together with splices and epoxy after you get to the hangar? Not only would you have a strong fitting with no bolts, but you'd save quite a bit of weight. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 05:20:51 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Re: KR: Doug FIR >From: Micheal Mims >To: "krnet list (E-mail)" >Subject: KR: Doug FIR >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:47:10 -0800 >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >Just though I would pass along that the DR-109, a fully aerobatic = >aircraft rated at +-10g and sold through AS&S has Doug FIR spars! HA HA = >HA!!! > >____________________________ >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts in Irvine CA >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > Yeah, Mike- but what does it WEIGH? - -Oscar "still planning to use fir" Zuniga ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 07:22:04 -0600 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR: KR2 for sale At 08:50 PM 11/14/97 EST, you wrote: >somebody let me know more about this acft..... > > Thanks, > Lloyd >>>> > For Sale KR2 N76KB 175 Hours TT. Hapi 1835 Slick Mag. Elt, some >>instru. >>>> > Deihl gear conversion. Needs work, wing and canopy damage. Built >>in 1978. >>>> > $3000 OBO contact: Harold Shoemaker via E-Mail or 319-396-3651. >>>> A friend of mine, who has experience in rebuilding a KR-2, checked this one out . His opinion was that the asking price is more than he would expect to pay for a KR-2 in this particular condition. Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:09:11 -0500 (EST) From: Krwr1@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Ellison woes Hi Bill here I had that problem on my posa carb. and I got the intake cherry red, then hammered in a small area to cause a restruction on the rich side,It seemed to work some what. WildBill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:07:09 -0800 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Resin post curing process > So it CAN be done a couple years or so after construction? > > Jim Hayward Yes. - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 07:57:43 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: KR: KR Progress Report - --------------------- I just finished glueing my spars together and cut the holes in the boat for the center spars. I put the center spars in just to see what it will look like. It looks good. And feels good to. This thing goes together faster then I thought it would. I just started construction this last May and I am about ready to install the spars. Still a long way to go, but I can see progress. This is great. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - ------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 08:31:24 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: KR Progress Report >Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 07:57:43 -0800 >From: MARVIN MCCOY >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Subject: KR: KR Progress Report >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >--------------------- > I just finished glueing my spars together and cut the holes in >the boat for the center spars. I put the center spars in just to see >what it will look like. It looks good. And feels good to. This thing >goes together faster then I thought it would. I just started >construction this last May and I am about ready to install the spars. >Still a long way to go, but I can see progress. This is great. > >Marvin McCoy Hey, Marvin- I am glad to hear that the thing is going together faster than you thought. This encourages me- and I haven't even started building yet! By the way- are you using spruce or fir? Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:11:15 -0800 From: Robert Maniss Subject: KR: Post curing Brings up an interesting thought. Does the material in the Diehl gear require post curing, and if so, has it already been cured when purchased? Bob Maniss ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:15:17 -0800 From: Donald Reid Subject: KR: KR For Sale I just got back from an ultralight meeting and one of the members gave me a flyer about a KR for sale. It is listed as being in the boat stage, spars installed and I think is on the gear, but I forgot to ask. (BTW, retract). 1850cc VW engine w/ electric start, prop & spinner, instruments, seat covers, canopy, hardware, plus various pieces like stab/elevator and outer wings. $4000 I have not seen the project, but he says it is excellent work. I did not have a chance to get any other info. Located in Gordonsville, Va (near Charlottesville) Contact: Gary Edgecomb 804 295 1570 (days) 804 832 3598 (nights and weekends) - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 10:05:59 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Finally on THE NET!!!! Welcome Aboard Lloyd! Lloyd Perkins,Jr. wrote: > > Dear Gentlemen.......(whoops sorry ) > Hey Dudes, ......( nah that's not right either) > Fellow Experimental Builders,......(that's much more distinguished) > Thank you one and all for > allowing me into this forum.... > I am not fortunate enough to be building a KR-2 > yet.......................... I have a problem saying no to WW-2 replica > fighters... I am currently repairing a Loehle 5151 that was crashed and > then neglected. One of the biggest problems Im having with this acft is > that the Loehle 5151 unopened kit keeps getting in the way. You guessed > it , I have two of these acft..... Any way, I am an Aircraft Mechanic and > offer my services to anyone who needs some help . Please feel free to > call or E-mail me if you have questions that deal with normal Aircraft > practices and procedures.Or Aviation regulations. > home (540)786-2838 > E-Mail LEPERKINS@JUNO.COM > > Thanks Again, > Lloyd ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 10:06:57 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Epoxy and fuel Mike, Thanks for that tip! Micheal Mims wrote: > > Something else I wanted to pass along, I was out at the airport today become the official occupant of my hanger and decided to stop by the hanger to see if anyone was home. Anyway I looked up on top of the shelf where I remembered putting a piece of last-a-foam that was wetout with Aeropoxy in some 100LL about a year ago. I though COOL lets check it out. (actually I had forgotten about this experiment) Anyway the piece of foam and both layers of glass were still as hard as ever and there was no cloudiness in the fuel. I think its safe to say Aeropoxy if 100LL proof! > > ____________________________ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine CA > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 10:11:01 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: KR For Sale Gordonsville!!!!!!! I was there this last summer, and flew my first C-172 out of Ornage County Airport. My dad just moved out near Gordonsville! Geez, there was a KR-2 out there and I didn't get to see it. Boy am I bummed! -- Ross Donald Reid wrote: > > I just got back from an ultralight meeting and one of the members gave me > a flyer about a KR for sale. It is listed as being in the boat stage, > spars installed and I think is on the gear, but I forgot to ask. (BTW, > retract). 1850cc VW engine w/ electric start, prop & spinner, > instruments, seat covers, canopy, hardware, plus various pieces like > stab/elevator and outer wings. > $4000 > > I have not seen the project, but he says it is excellent work. I did not > have a chance to get any other info. Located in Gordonsville, Va (near > Charlottesville) > > Contact: > Gary Edgecomb > 804 295 1570 (days) > 804 832 3598 (nights and weekends) > > -- > Don Reid > mailto:donreid@erols.com > http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:51:55 -0700 From: Bob Bryenton Subject: KR: New, and thinking about it Hi all. Just thought I'd say hi to this fine list. Joined up two or three days ago. I'm not building one yet, but thinking about it. If anyone has the time I would like to here what made you choose the KR-2S. I am looking at a couple of different planes like the Vans RV6 and a Mustang II. I will probably build from plans, but would like to gather any building info. I am looking for a recreational aircraft that I can go poke holes in the sky with. Probably wont do much IFR, and a very little X-country. More just for fun and fly. Have I erred in looking at the KR? In doing some reading, I noticed quite a few of you are doing things like changing Incidence and Airfoil, and tail feather area. Anyone got any info on specifics of these changes, why they were made, and the results of these changes? Any help on these questions would be appreciated. =========== "Sometimes you're the bug, and sometimes you're the windshield" Bob Bryenton Project Leader Synapse Publishing 8308 - 114 Street P.O. Box 52146 Edmonton, AB Canada T6G 2T5 Phone: (403) 492 - 7937, (403) 453 - 1799 Fax: (403) 492 - 7253 E-Mail: bob.bryenton@medlib.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:51:54 -0800 From: "John Bouyea" Subject: KR: Re: Archives Thanks Ross. What tool is used for "un-z" ing files? John Bouyea johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net kr2s - fitting the engine rails Hillsboro, Oregon - -rw-rw---- 1 krnet majordom 20425 May 21 18:44 v01.n020.Z ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #168 *****************************