From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Sunday, November 16, 1997 10:21 AM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #169 krnet-l-digest Sunday, November 16 1997 Volume 01 : Number 169 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:17:29 -0800 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: KR For Sale Donald Reid wrote: > > I just got back from an ultralight meeting and one of the members gave me > a flyer about a KR for sale. It is listed as being in the boat stage, > spars installed and I think is on the gear, but I forgot to ask. (BTW, > retract). 1850cc VW engine w/ electric start, prop & spinner, > instruments, seat covers, canopy, hardware, plus various pieces like > stab/elevator and outer wings. > $4000 > > I have not seen the project, but he says it is excellent work. I did not > have a chance to get any other info. Located in Gordonsville, Va (near > Charlottesville) > > Contact: > Gary Edgecomb > 804 295 1570 (days)oops typo 540 832 3598 (nights and weekends) - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:39:34 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: Post curing On Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:11:15 -0800, you wrote: >Brings up an interesting thought. Does the material in the Diehl gear >require post curing, and if so, has it already been cured when >purchased? > >Bob Maniss Bob, I am sure that all of Dan's parts are oven cured under vacuum. This is the best way to ensure a quality product. I would bet that all of Dan's part are cured to at least 250 degrees. I work with a guy that built the KR wingskins for Dan for over a year so I will talk to him and find out for sure. Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S (KR-2SS?) KR-2SBuilder@bigfoot.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:54:06 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: New, and thinking about it On Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:51:55 -0700, you wrote: >Hi all. Just thought I'd say hi to this fine list. Joined up two or >three days ago. I'm not building one yet, but thinking about it. If >anyone has the time I would like to here what made you choose the KR-2S. >I am looking at a couple of different planes like the Vans RV6 and a >Mustang II. I will probably build from plans, but would like to gather >any building info. =20 > >I am looking for a recreational aircraft that I can go poke holes in the >sky with. Probably wont do much IFR, and a very little X-country. More >just for fun and fly. Have I erred in looking at the KR? > >In doing some reading, I noticed quite a few of you are doing things >like changing Incidence and Airfoil, and tail feather area. Anyone got >any info on specifics of these changes, why they were made, and the >results of these changes? > >Any help on these questions would be appreciated. > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >"Sometimes you're the bug, and sometimes you're the windshield" > >Bob Bryenton =09 >Project Leader =09 >Synapse Publishing =09 >8308 - 114 Street =09 >P.O. Box 52146 =09 >Edmonton, AB =09 >Canada =09 >T6G 2T5 =09 >Phone: (403) 492 - 7937, (403) 453 - 1799 >Fax: (403) 492 - 7253 =09 >E-Mail: bob.bryenton@medlib.com=09 > Bob, I think you have found exactly what you are looking for. I don't think you can find a better plane to have fun flying in for the money. If you've got the money the RV-6 and the Mustang II are excellent choices but you are stuck with using at least a O-360. Which means $$$. Most of the changes people are making here on the KRNet are not because the KR is a bad design. Most of them are being done because that is what the builder want to do. =20 I am making mine wider for my own comfort. I am not a real small guy and I am crammed in the stock KR. I am making mine longer, with more tail area, possibly different airfoil because I believe it will make the KR even better. You have to decide for yourself wether to make any changes or not. That is why they are called experimental. I think that you will find that the KR is perfect for going out and having fun flying. I don't think you do any better for the amount of money. I don't know your situation, but alot of people here are building a KR because they don't have $25-30K laying around. If I had that much money I would build a RV-6 in a heartbeat. But I don't so I am building the best plane you can build for around $10,000. It can be done if you build it yourself and don't buy the premade parts. Just ask Mike Mims, I know that he will come very close to that $10,000 dollar figure.=20 I guess I better get off the soapbox now. I can already feel the flames!! =20 Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S (KR-2SS?) KR-2SBuilder@bigfoot.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:40:48 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Re: Post curing gear legs Robert Maniss wrote: > Brings up an interesting thought. Does the material in the Diehl gear > require post curing, and if so, has it already been cured when > purchased? The Diehl gear is made from 3M Scotchply (trademark, of course) fiberglass. Dan buys it in sheets and saws it to size, so whatever curing is done is done by 3M. My bet is that it was done by them, as heating the stuff up will make it cure faster, and you can rest assured that speed in production is one of 3M's top priorities. We wrap it once with some glass mat, but that's to help prevent delamination. I suppose you could cure that some if you were just dying to cure something... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:33:48 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: RE: KR: Doug FIR - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCF1DB.E2353180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not sure what this has to do with anything but it weighs 1495 empty and 2275 gross. ____________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine CA http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims - -----Original Message----- From: Oscar Zuniga [SMTP:taildrags@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 1997 5:21 AM To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: Re: KR: Doug FIR >From: Micheal Mims >To: "krnet list (E-mail)" >Subject: KR: Doug FIR >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:47:10 -0800 >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >Just though I would pass along that the DR-109, a fully aerobatic = >aircraft rated at +-10g and sold through AS&S has Doug FIR spars! 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Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > Hey, Marvin- > > I am glad to hear that the thing is going together faster than you > thought. This encourages me- and I haven't even started building yet! > By the way- are you using spruce or fir? > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon----------------------- Oscar: I am using spruce. Only because I wanted to save the four pounds. I bought the spruce pre cut and inspected from Wicks. I believe I could have bought the spruce from a local mill and cut it up and inspected it myself for a lot less money. But I decided not to. About ten years ago I bought some 4X6 spruce and fir beams from a local mill and the price I paid was the same for either fir or the spruce. I had to dry it and cut the 4X6 up. But it was cheap. Keep in mind when you buy your wood from Wicks you are paying for "aircraft grade" and for them cutting it up. The spruce that I had was from a six hundred year old tree from Alaska. I still have one 4X6 of spruce that I have been saving. If you are going to get rough lumber and cut it up your self, you should check around the local mills because they can get you spruce just as easy and for the same price as Doug Fir. I have heard that the Japanese pay only a dollar for each spruce tree they take out of the Tongas forest in Alaska. These trees are six hundred years old. Sorry for the rambling. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - ------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:47:35 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: New, and thinking about it Bob Bryenton wrote: > > Hi all. Just thought I'd say hi to this fine list. Joined up two or > three days ago. I'm not building one yet, but thinking about it. If > anyone has the time I would like to here what made you choose the KR-2S. - --------------------- Bob: It will be hard to find another plane that you can get as much bang for the buck as you can with the KR. As you noticed one of the best things about the KR is you can easily make changes to it to suit your own taste. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - --------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:10:52 -0500 (EST) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: KR Progress Report way to go marv, from what i saw , ya , you are pretty far along, i am impressed. oh ya all you krnetters, marvs kr is lookin real good with a type 4 to boot. i'll be down sometime soon to check it out. tandem2 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 18:28:18 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: RE: KR: Epoxy and fuel - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCF1F5.B1066880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep I think the new fuels will attack just about anything but = vinylester, but epoxy still does a pretty good job with 100LL which is = just fine because that's all I plan to use anyway. Auto fuel is too = much of a pain to deal with in these parts, considering the savings is = only about .20 a gallon it just ain't worth the hassle! Been there,.. = done that,..ain't doing it again! ____________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine CA http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims - -----Original Message----- From: Willard561@aol.com [SMTP:Willard561@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 1997 4:13 PM To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: Re: KR: Epoxy and fuel I went through my old (1-48) KR newsletters and found that back then = some epoxies were having problems with autogas especially with gasahol ( gas+ethonal) this is being sold now as reformulated gas (oxegenated), the cure was to = top coat with polyester resin for old tanks, build with polyester for new = tanks. back then there weren't some of the resins we have now Bill Higdon - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCF1F5.B1066880 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IicCAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAqAEAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAARwAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAGtybmV0LWxAdGVsZXBv cnQuY29tAFNNVFAAa3JuZXQtbEB0ZWxlcG9ydC5jb20AAB4AAjABAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgAD MAEAAAAVAAAAa3JuZXQtbEB0ZWxlcG9ydC5jb20AAAAAAwAVDAEAAAADAP4PBgAAAB4AATABAAAA FwAAACdrcm5ldC1sQHRlbGVwb3J0LmNvbScAAAIBCzABAAAAGgAAAFNNVFA6S1JORVQtTEBURUxF UE9SVC5DT00AAAADAAA5AAAAAAsAQDoBAAAAHgD2XwEAAAAVAAAAa3JuZXQtbEB0ZWxlcG9ydC5j b20AAAAAAgH3XwEAAABHAAAAAAAAAIErH6S+oxAZnW4A3QEPVAIAAAAAa3JuZXQtbEB0ZWxlcG9y dC5jb20AU01UUABrcm5ldC1sQHRlbGVwb3J0LmNvbQAAAwD9XwEAAAADAP9fAAAAAAIB9g8BAAAA BAAAAAAAAAIJWQEEgAEAFwAAAFJFOiBLUjogRXBveHkgYW5kIGZ1ZWwAHAcBBYADAA4AAADNBwsA DwASABwAEgAGADQBASCAAwAOAAAAzQcLAA8AEgAXADYABgBTAQEJgAEAIQAAADQ4NDRGMjdFQzI1 REQxMTFCNkVDNDQ0NTUzNTQwMDAwAO8GAQOQBgBMBwAAIQAAAAsAAgABAAAACwAjAAAAAAADACYA AAAAAAsAKQAAAAAAAwAuAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQBgQg9NN/K8AR4AcAABAAAAFwAAAFJFOiBL UjogRXBveHkgYW5kIGZ1ZWwAAAIBcQABAAAAFgAAAAG88jdM/n7yREldwhHRtuxERVNUAAAAAB4A HgwBAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgAfDAEAAAAVAAAAbWlrZW1pbXNAcGFjYmVsbC5uZXQAAAAAAwAG ENR8zhMDAAcQNAMAAB4ACBABAAAAZQAAAFlFUElUSElOS1RIRU5FV0ZVRUxTV0lMTEFUVEFDS0pV U1RBQk9VVEFOWVRISU5HQlVUVklOWUxFU1RFUixCVVRFUE9YWVNUSUxMRE9FU0FQUkVUVFlHT09E Sk9CV0lUSDEwMEwAAAAAAgEJEAEAAAAuBAAAKgQAAAwGAABMWkZ1e/cEGXcACgEDAfcgAqQD4wIA Y4JoCsBzZXQwIAcTjwKDAFAC8g9ZVGFoA3GFAoMyDudwcnEyD/YmfQqACMggOwlvMjVmNQKACoF1 YwBQCwNjAwBBC2BuZzEwMzMBC6YgWWVwIEkgFHRoC4BrGHFlIG61B9FmClBsBCAD8GwDII5hAkAA 0BjAanVzBUAnAaAIYBqxbnkYgmcgSmIbAXYLgHlsB5B0DQSQLBuzGDBveHkgkxqgGdJkbweRYSAT AGUPwHQdQGdvBHAacG8WYhmxGIAgF1AwTEy3GbAYkA9wIAQAGnRmC4D1GQBiBZBhGpAZABiAGhA+ Jx3xGeEYYAtRA6B0bwYgIVIbMXdheS4gfw/wGwAiwBliIDIisCLAbfMWQB9gb2YeAgtxIqIBAD8H QB8kJYIY8CFhCrF0cz8coAWgAIEEgRuCGOJzYd0cAWcEICBBAiBsHUAa1PYuF/EeEGciAQIgIDAF QOsahAuAJwVAdwkRH2AY4tcPgAQQHEAhI5BCCeEY0vkJcCwuI4AdwCDhIZItYW8rNB3AG4IqsWEq QAuAIT8KogqECoQWsgLREKFzMbg3IF8xnzJIL7R+M7+7M/EvtE0gASXyNWBtD0C1L8NKGpJQFxEZ AE4bADMnQCZySXIcARkAQ0ErL7UW0nUDIGgCQHA6pC8vEdFlLgqwYyEQBRngLhkgdC9taWv+ZTqw NgEw0jkAAUAwKRJThDE2MBpsaTM2O6GrA2AccGMFQC0+gk8FEJ5nC4A1sgeQKIBnZT6DPy+2PhQ7 owsxPhQCAGktmDE0NAFAPaAxOB+QVwzBQiMfEEYDYToMg2IND+BXGdELETU2MUAKYQbwLgWgbSBb U5BNVFA6RE9tXS+1Xx8QBmACMEO3BhB0CHBk4yNgHKBOb3Y64CEQBcBEMTUcoDE5OTFwNCg6MTM2 wE1HB1RvjUO3awSgD8AtbEAccB8cQB0QACBFIkcIdWJqAz5BQ7dSZTogS1L9TsBFHRMAcB7QGWJA L0E67z2kC7Yvwxhgd0ehGHEDYHR1Zx9gbR1ABvAe0CjgMS00OClO0RkSLGH/AkAEkB3xT5IIYE+R IZIbsPcaQhjhA6BzObEvtB0CCJD/GaEtMSwhKKIeIR8AHEA2AL8fJCFAIrAqQAQgB5BwBZC/BzEp UR8zWlERwQMgKC+03VpRKw/AEdA/ISkvtBiBnyjjIRAbgldQVDFubwfg91phCXACEHIkwAtgHHAe 0HVaUigdIGU/sD8gX9Ep+xygGOJjCHAZACNQJGIiof5wL7QFoFaBHzMdEClQHFP/XzEAkAOgX2FU EwGQGLAnUX8bwAMQHtBjHWRiGSJk4y7/L7RWuC0TWGMrUldSJQIY4r9kA1hSWLIZAV7gL7RCGdK+ SD7wLaEvvgqAE8EAbbAAAAMAEBAAAAAAAwAREAAAAAADAIAQ/////0AABzAgJEOvNvK8AUAACDAg JEOvNvK8AQsAAIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAAOFAAAAAAAAAwACgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAA AEYAAAAAEIUAAAAAAAADAAWACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAABShQAAtw0AAB4AJYAIIAYAAAAA AMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAFSFAAABAAAABAAAADguMAADACaACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAABhQAA AAAAAAsAL4AIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAA6FAAAAAAAAAwAwgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYA AAAAEYUAAAAAAAADADKACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAYhQAAAAAAAB4AQYAIIAYAAAAAAMAA AAAAAABGAAAAADaFAAABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeAEKACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA3hQAAAQAA AAEAAAAAAAAAHgBDgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAOIUAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4APQABAAAA BQAAAFJFOiAAAAAAAwANNP03AAAMuA== - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCF1F5.B1066880-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 23:05:56 -0600 From: John Roffey Subject: Re: KR: Epoxy and fuel Micheal Mims wrote: > > Yep I think the new fuels will attack just about anything but vinylester, but epoxy still does a pretty good job with 100LL which is just fine because that's all I plan to use anyway. Auto fuel is too much of a pain to deal with in these parts, considering the savings is only about .20 a gallon it just ain't worth the hassle! Been there,.. done that,..ain't doing it again! > > ____________________________ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine CA > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > -----Original Message----- > From: Willard561@aol.com [SMTP:Willard561@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 1997 4:13 PM > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: Epoxy and fuel > > I went through my old (1-48) KR newsletters and found that back then some > epoxies were having problems with autogas especially with gasahol ( > gas+ethonal) > this is being sold now as reformulated gas (oxegenated), the cure was to top > coat with polyester resin for old tanks, build with polyester for new tanks. > back then there weren't some of the resins we have now > Bill Higdon > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Part 1.2 Type: application/ms-tnef > Encoding: base64 Hey Mike, is your avgas that cheap or the auto fuel that expensive? We are paying $2.25 in most places for 100LL and the car gas is $1.19. About half price for mojuice. Alot of folks in the 8GPH range with carbs are using auto fuel with sucess. I'm a long way from having to make that decision, but this is going to be my retirement plane and costs are going to be paramount in it's opperation at that time. Also Mike, do I remember you saying (posting) that you used T88 to build your wood? Did you use somthing else to glue the composite parts to the wood? John Roffey (ready to glue) jeroffey@tir.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:20:04 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: RE: KR: Epoxy and fuel - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCF203.DEB419E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Auto gas here is $1.60 to $1.80 and 100LL is $1.80 to $2.00. I used = T-88 for all my wood to wood joints and Aeropoxy flox with bid tape to = glue composite parts to wood parts. ____________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine CA http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims - -----Original Message----- From: John Roffey [SMTP:jeroffey@tir.com] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 1997 9:06 PM To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: Re: KR: Epoxy and fuel Hey Mike, is your avgas that cheap or the auto fuel that expensive? We are paying $2.25 in most places for 100LL and the car gas is $1.19.=20 About half price for mojuice. Alot of folks in the 8GPH range with carbs are using auto fuel with sucess. I'm a long way from having to make that decision, but this is going to be my retirement plane and costs are going to be paramount in it's opperation at that time. Also Mike, do I remember you saying (posting) that you used T88 to build your wood? Did you use somthing else to glue the composite parts to the wood? 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I used T-88 for all my wood to wood joints and Aeropoxy flox with bid tape to glue composite parts to wood parts. > > ____________________________ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine CA > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Roffey [SMTP:jeroffey@tir.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 1997 9:06 PM > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: Epoxy and fuel > > Hey Mike, is your avgas that cheap or the auto fuel that expensive? > We are paying $2.25 in most places for 100LL and the car gas is $1.19. > About half price for mojuice. Alot of folks in the 8GPH range with carbs > are using auto fuel with sucess. > I'm a long way from having to make that decision, but this is going to > be my retirement plane and costs are going to be paramount in it's > opperation at that time. > Also Mike, do I remember you saying (posting) that you used T88 to build > your wood? Did you use somthing else to glue the composite parts to the > wood? > John Roffey (ready to glue) > jeroffey@tir.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Part 1.2 Type: application/ms-tnef > Encoding: base64 Thanks Mike. I won't complain about local gas prices anymore! John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 23:12:33 -0800 From: Robert Maniss Subject: KR: Post curing This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------3E884C176DC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, it isn't necessarily that I'm "dying to cure something," but rather that I'm willing "to cure something to keep from dying." :-) Seriously, I appreciate your response along with the others received. Dan's reputation would have led me to conclude that he would make certain that they were finished properly before selling them. Bob Maniss - --------------3E884C176DC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: KR: Re: Post curing gear legs Date: Sat, 15 Nov 97 23:40:48 +0000 From: "Mark Langford" Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com To: Robert Maniss wrote: > Brings up an interesting thought. Does the material in the Diehl gear > require post curing, and if so, has it already been cured when > purchased? The Diehl gear is made from 3M Scotchply (trademark, of course) fiberglass. Dan buys it in sheets and saws it to size, so whatever curing is done is done by 3M. My bet is that it was done by them, as heating the stuff up will make it cure faster, and you can rest assured that speed in production is one of 3M's top priorities. We wrap it once with some glass mat, but that's to help prevent delamination. I suppose you could cure that some if you were just dying to cure something... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford - --------------3E884C176DC-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:45:29 -0500 (EST) From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Doug FIR >>Just though I would pass along that the DR-109, a fully aerobatic = >>aircraft rated at +-10g and sold through AS&S has Doug FIR spars! HA >Yeah, Mike- but what does it WEIGH? > >-Oscar "still planning to use fir" Zuniga A recent thread said that a Douglas Fir KR weighed about 15 lbs more, which killed the idea for me. Then I saw on KROnline that someone built his KR with DF and it weighed FOUR pounds more, which is more like it. Since the weight difference per cubic foot is readily available, I guess these widely varying number depend on estimating how much wood actually winds up in the boat -- it's certainly not the same amount you get with the kit, but how could you reliably measure it? Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 23:14:06 -0800 From: David Moore Subject: KR: Spruce Kit KRNetters, I have a spruce kit for a KR2s, that I would like to sell. I purchased the kit from AS&S about a year ago, it has been sitting in the top of my garage, with nothing being done, So I am selling. I am asking $600.00. Also KR2s plans $200.00 WAF purchased from RR $180.00 Bolt kit from RR $75.00 Interested parties contact me direct by e-mail. Dave Moore David Moore Turnkey1@MSComm.Com Hesperia, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 05:54:09 -0500 From: "Richard E. Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Auto Versus Av With an aircraft that uses less than 4 gph and cruises a LOT faster than my Archer, I wouldnt let fuel costs worry me too much. One less $100 hamburger in the Archer will cover the diiference between Av and auto fuel over at least a year. AARP (the Association for the advancement of Richard Parker) - -----Original Message----- From: John Roffey [SMTP:jeroffey@tir.com] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 1997 9:06 PM To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: Re: KR: Epoxy and fuel Hey Mike, is your avgas that cheap or the auto fuel that expensive? We are paying $2.25 in most places for 100LL and the car gas is $1.19. About half price for mojuice. Alot of folks in the 8GPH range with carbs are using auto fuel with sucess. I'm a long way from having to make that decision, but this is going to be my retirement plane and costs are going to be paramount in it's opperation at that time. Also Mike, do I remember you saying (posting) that you used T88 to build your wood? Did you use somthing else to glue the composite parts to the wood? John Roffey (ready to glue) jeroffey@tir.com - ---------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 06:04:05 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Epoxy and fuel >From: Willard561@aol.com >Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:12:48 -0500 (EST) >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Subject: Re: KR: Epoxy and fuel >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >I went through my old (1-48) KR newsletters and found that back then some >epoxies were having problems with autogas especially with gasahol ( >gas+ethonal) >this is being sold now as reformulated gas (oxegenated), the cure was to top >coat with polyester resin for old tanks, build with polyester for new tanks. >back then there weren't some of the resins we have now >Bill Higdon > This is true. Paul Martin bought an already-built KR-2 and is converting it to training wheel. In doing so, he is also reworking the fuel tank (and a bunch of other stuff). When he opened it up, the standard header tank arrangement, it was full of crud which apparently was slough-off caused by interaction between fuel and resin. I plan to do what Mike Mims did- and what Ross did- and put chunks of lay-up in jars of fuel for a year or so, to see what happens. Here in Medford, we are forced to use oxygenated fuel during winter months, so we have no choice if we are to use mogas. And, after all, isn't that one of the side benefits to using auto engine conversions? (What? You AREN't using an economical, reliable auto engine conversion, such as the Subaru?) Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 06:10:33 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Doug FIR >From: MikeTnyc@aol.com >Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:45:29 -0500 (EST) >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Subject: Re: KR: Doug FIR >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >>>Just though I would pass along that the DR-109, a fully aerobatic = >>>aircraft rated at +-10g and sold through AS&S has Doug FIR spars! HA > >>Yeah, Mike- but what does it WEIGH? >> >>-Oscar "still planning to use fir" Zuniga > >A recent thread said that a Douglas Fir KR weighed about 15 lbs more, which >killed the idea for me. Then I saw on KROnline that someone built his KR >with DF and it weighed FOUR pounds more, which is more like it. Since the >weight difference per cubic foot is readily available, I guess these widely >varying number depend on estimating how much wood actually winds up in the >boat -- it's certainly not the same amount you get with the kit, but how >could you reliably measure it? > >Mike Taglieri > Hey, Mike- I think Marvin was referring to the SPARS, just the spars, being 4 lbs. difference. If you take the whole wood kit (not the plywood), it is the higher number. If you're going for max-light, not max-cheap, stay with the spruce. However, interesting point Marvin makes for us Northwest types- we can actually spend a few hours running around to a couple of mills and find spruce maybe as easily as fir. Lots of little custom mills up and down the I-5 corridor and the coast, and the amount of wood we're talking about, even primo-select, could be had out of one good find. I'm warming back up to spruce if I can find it and buy it same cost as fir, or close to it. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 08:19:21 -0600 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: paint At 06:54 PM 11/8/97 -0800, you wrote: >At 08:43 AM 11/9/97 +0800, you wrote: >I was considering the use of auto[aint but wasn't too sure. I was aware of >>the UV fact but was wondering that it may crack due to the flexing of >parts. Thought maybe aviation grade paints would be more flexible than auto >paint which is fairly brittle. >> >>Jed Whtiford >> > >I don't know of anyone who has built a homebuilt at our airport that used >aviation paint! All the paint jobs are from Sherman Williams or Centauri >auto paint. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > I used PPG basecoat/clearcoat on my KR almost five ago and I haven't seen any cracks in the paint yet. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 11:27:25 -0500 (EST) From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: New, and thinking about it In a message dated 97-11-16 02:36:21 EST, you write: << Hi all. Just thought I'd say hi to this fine list. Joined up two or three days ago. I'm not building one yet, but thinking about it. If anyone has the time I would like to here what made you choose the KR-2S. >> Hi Bob... for me it was "the most performance for the least money" I could find. I DID find it interesting that after being away from flying for 17 years, I browsed over about 8 planes that met my basic requirements of 150mph or more on 100hp or less and came back to the same two designs I'd been strongly considering 14 years ago which were the Dragonfly and the KR2. My wife didn't like the looks of the Dragonfly so we decided on the KR and since the 2-S plans were out, we got those. The fact that I'd never worked with aluminum but had with wood played another major role as well as a composite workshop at Oshkosh in '93 where I realized working with fiberglass was easy. Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 10:15:34 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: RE: Doug FIR - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCF278.966AA4E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So what your saying is that you would pay $60 a pound to save 14 pounds? = You may want to have a seat on the thrown and ponder that some more! = :o) ____________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine CA http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims - -----Original Message----- From: Oscar Zuniga [SMTP:taildrags@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 16, 1997 6:11 AM To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: KR: Doug FIR I think Marvin was referring to the SPARS, just the spars, being 4 lbs.=20 difference. If you take the whole wood kit (not the plywood), it is the = higher number. 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