From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, November 17, 1997 2:27 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #170 krnet-l-digest Monday, November 17 1997 Volume 01 : Number 170 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 11:12:35 -0700 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: KR: Re: Archives On Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:51:54 -0800 "John Bouyea" writes: >Thanks Ross. > >What tool is used for "un-z" ing files? > >John Bouyea >johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net >kr2s - fitting the engine rails >Hillsboro, Oregon > >-rw-rw---- 1 krnet majordom 20425 May 21 18:44 v01.n020.Z > > The capital .Z extension on a file means that it is compressed with the default compression algorithm that comes with UNIX. You probably need a UNIX system to uncompress it. Ross will probaby uncompress them to make them available when he sees the post. - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 11:58:12 -0700 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: AVgas, MOgas, and fuel leaks. With the recent discussions about mogas, avgas and epoxys, I though I would add my recent experience with them. As some of you may have noted from a post a couple of weeks ago, I had my left wing at home to repair a fuel leak. I found that fuel was leaking through the gasket underneath my fuel sending unit. I examined the gasket and found no problems with it so there had to be a problem with the permatex gasket cement. The answer is that at about 25 hours into my test flying period, we had a lightning strike at the airport that damaged the fueling facility and put it out of service for several days. Since I was flying every morning and wanted to continue flying the hours off my plnae, I fueled with MOGAS from a local gas station until the fueling facility could be repaired. I was fueling the left tank with MOGAS every morning, then transfering fuel up to the header tank as needed. The left fuel level sending unit mount was the only one that was constantly imersed in MOGAS for about a week. Apparently something in the mogas dissolved enough of the gasket sealer to create the fuel leak. My fuel tanks were built with Safe-t-Poxy and were sloshed with Randolf alcohol resistant sloshing compound. At this point in time, the tanks are not showing any degradation of the sloshed interior. BTW, this is the same sloshing compound recommended by Piper for use in many of the Cherokees. Although I have heard some comments about the evils of sloshing compounds, I have yet to hear of problems with this compound sloughing in the Pipers and currently see no evidence of any problem in my plane. I do and will continue to watch for any problems with it. - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 10:37:44 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: RE: KR: Epoxy and fuel Mike, How about you and I rent a tanker for an Oklahoma to California trip? My last tank of gas was 97 cents/gall! Brian At 20:20 11/15/97 -0800, Mike Mimms wrote: >Auto gas here is $1.60 to $1.80 and 100LL is $1.80 to $2.00. I used T-88 for all my wood to wood joints and Aeropoxy flox with bid tape to glue composite parts to wood parts. > brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 08:49:10 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: Doug FIR weight Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > >weight difference per cubic foot is readily available, I guess these > widely > >varying number depend on estimating how much wood actually winds up in > the > >boat -- it's certainly not the same amount you get with the kit, but > how > >could you reliably measure it? > > > >Mike Taglieri > > > Hey, Mike- > > I think Marvin was referring to the SPARS, just the spars, being 4 lbs. > difference. If you take the whole wood kit (not the plywood), it is the > higher number. If you're going for max-light, not max-cheap, stay with > the spruce. - ---------------------- Actually I do not know how much weight difference there is between Spruce and Doug Fir. But Lester Palmer had an article in the KR Newsletter about it. He stated that he and a friend each built their KRs at the same time and he used Fir and his friend used Spruce. After they had all of the wood cut up for each airplane they weighed each pile and the difference was 4 lbs. For what its worth. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:22:29 -0700 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: AVgas, MOgas, and fuel leaks. At 11:58 AM 11/16/97 -0700, you wrote: > I found that fuel was leaking through the gasket underneath >my fuel sending unit. I examined the gasket and found no problems with >it so there had to be a problem with the permatex gasket cement. > I fueled with MOGAS >from a local gas station until the fueling facility could be repaired. I >was fueling the left tank with MOGAS every morning, then transfering fuel >up to the header tank as needed. The left fuel level sending unit mount >was the only one that was constantly imersed in MOGAS for about a week. >Apparently something in the mogas dissolved enough of the gasket sealer >to create the fuel leak. > >Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM If you are using autogas with much in the way of additives, anecdotal evidence is that it is not compatible with epoxy fuel tanks. This may not apply to ALL epoxies but I would avoid auto gas in these type tanks. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:23:29 -0500 (EST) From: bvermeul@concentric.net Subject: Re: KR: video >Drop an e-mail directly to our pal Video Bob "bvermeul@concentric.net". >He's a professional videographer and does a bang up job on the KR videos. > Worth every penny. Don't expect a quick reply as he's often out of town >or very busy (hopefully editing the '97 KR Gathering). :o) I think Rand >Robinson also sells the videos as well. You can give them a call at >(714) 898-3811. > >Jeff >------- >Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM >jscott.pilot@juno.com >See N1213W construction and first flight at >http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: >//www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > Do keep in mind, if you order direct from me, I'll chip in part of the purchase price to help keep KRNET alive. Jeanette gets the tapes from me, but there's no arrangement for the donation to KRNET. The bulk of the work on the video is done and it will be completed this week. Once again, FYI, I'll post the date the videos are ready and details as to how you can get one. Thanks again gang. Look for my post later this week. Video Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:58:47 -0600 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: RE: KR: Epoxy and fuel Brian, It would almost be worth the trip. My jaw dropped, too, as I drove in to OK. Auto gas, here , near Springfield, IL, is approx. $1.20 and in the Chicago area about $1.35. Ed J >Mike, >How about you and I rent a tanker for an Oklahoma to California trip? > >My last tank of gas was 97 cents/gall! >Brian > >At 20:20 11/15/97 -0800, Mike Mimms wrote: >>Auto gas here is $1.60 to $1.80 and 100LL is $1.80 to $2.00. I used T-88 >for all my wood to wood joints and Aeropoxy flox with bid tape to glue >composite parts to wood parts. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:41:37 -0800 From: bmsi@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: KR: RE: Doug FIR Good one Michael! A little fiber and a little thrown time might be another way to get at that 14 lbs :-) Bruce S. Campbell Tampa Micheal Mims wrote: > > So what your saying is that you would pay $60 a pound to save 14 pounds? You may want to have a seat on the thrown and ponder that some more! :o) > > ____________________________ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine CA > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > -----Original Message----- > From: Oscar Zuniga [SMTP:taildrags@hotmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 1997 6:11 AM > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: Doug FIR > > I think Marvin was referring to the SPARS, just the spars, being 4 lbs. > difference. If you take the whole wood kit (not the plywood), it is the > higher number. If you're going for max-light, not max-cheap, stay with > the spruce. > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Part 1.2 Type: application/ms-tnef > Encoding: base64 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:47:20 -0600 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: Soob cuts Thanks for info Oscar. I'll take a look at Don Stewart's Subaru. Rich Oscar Zuniga wrote: > >Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 20:38:13 -0600 > >From: rmccall > >To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >Subject: Re: KR: Soob cuts > >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > > > >Oscar > > > >How are you doing with the SOOB? I've got an EA-82 waiting in the > wings to > >start from the ground up. How about giving me all the info you can > (carb, > >prop, radiators and placement, etc). Have you got photo's? > > > >Rich > >Junction City, KS > > > > Hi, Rich- > > Unfortunately, time has been at a premium for me, and I haven't yet > started in acquiring my engine. John Loram, another local builder, has > offered to go with me to sweep the local wrecking yards, and I hope to > do that before year-end. There are LOTS of Subarus on the roads around > here, due to the 4-wheel drive feature (we get ice and snow). However, > I am planning to use the EA-81 with a redrive, Ellison throttle-body, VW > Rabbit radiator(s), Modine air-water cooler, and probably a Prince P-Tip > prop... size unknown yet. > > Based on pokes from Mike Mims, I am investigating direct-drive with > turbo, but unenthusiastically. I am looking at cruise RPM on the power > curves to determine what HP is expected with redrive v.s. direct > drive/turbo. I just hate that engine room clutter that goes with the > turbo... it's already busy enough with water cooling without adding the > turbo. Plus I want to incorporate some sort of silencing beyond > straight pipes, which takes up some room too. > > Join the airsoob list, or take a look at Don Stewart's page > (www.si-inc.com/subaru) for more info. > > I am studying thrust line with belt- and planetary-redrives, and where > that puts the Ellison, to determine what kind of intake manifold that > will require. I want short and direct, downdraft if possible. And, > yes, with carb heat. > > Some builders have changed their engine mounts from the plans, spreading > out the mounting points closer to the corners of the firewall. I like > this idea from a structural standpoint. > > Consensus for ignition seems to be a dual-pickup distributor setup with > a single set of NGK platinum plugs. Oil comments are to use what the > Subaru manual recommends, and definitely stay away from synthetics in > Soobs because it hardens the seals. > > Sorry I don't have anything to show yet. > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:07:45 -0600 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: video Hey Video: Put my name on the distribution list for a tape. By the way, the 96 Gathering tape I bought from you at the fly-in bombed out on me less than half way through. Rich McCall 1518 Holly Lane Junction City, KS 66441 bvermeul@concentric.net wrote: > >My mistake. When is the projected release date for the '97 KR gathering > >Video? > > > > > >Jeffrey E Scott wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:42:22 -0800 "John F. Esch" > >> writes: > >> >Has been a projected date for the '97 KR gathering? > >> > > >> >John F. Esch > >> >Salem, OR > >> > > >> > > >> Friday, Saturday, Sunday, September 18 - 20, Perry, OK > >> ------- > >> Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > >> jscott.pilot@juno.com > >> See N1213W construction and first flight at > >> http://fly.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: > >> //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > > > > > Let's see now. Half a month in Europe, kidney stones, a move of the > household, demanding clients, more demanding clients. I know, excuses, > excuses, excuses, but they are all true. The original date for completion > of the 97 Gathering Video was Nov. 15. Yikes, that's this weekend. I think > we'll be close gang. Maybe only a couple of days off. I'll be sure to post > a notice on KRNet when it's completed. From the footage I've logged so far > (15 hours), it looks like it should be another good video. Of course, I'm > partial. (like a mother who thinks that ugly baby is beautiful) Remember, > if you flew your KR to Perry or dragged it in on a trailer, you'll be > getting a free copy of the video. > > Keep saying it over and over. "Patience is a virtue....Patience is a > virtue.... Patience is a virtue" > > You're a great bunch of guys....Thanks for all your support and kind comments. > > Video Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:31:28 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: FW: KR: RE: Doug FIR(test) Test ____________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine CA http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 7:17:50 ÿÿÿ From: steveb@aviation.denel.co.za Subject: KR: Wing Skins? Hi Guys Started looking at getting ready for skinning the wings this weekend. Confusion reigns. On page 75 of the RR manual, I get the idea that the inboard wing will have one layer between the main and rear spars(top & bottom) and 2 layers on the D box joined with an overlap on the leading edge & at the main spar. Then on Pg 76 dealing with fillets I read " The entire stub wing should be now fully glassed with one layer overall,.... " Is this one layer that is joined at the LE or have I read something incorrectly? Steve in South Africa steveb@aviation.denel.co.za ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:33:34 -0700 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins? At 07:17 AM 11/17/97, you wrote: >Hi Guys >Started looking at getting ready for skinning the wings this weekend. Confusion reigns. > >On page 75 of the RR manual, I get the idea that the inboard wing will have one layer between the main and rear spars(top & bottom) and 2 layers on the D box joined with an overlap on the leading edge & at the main spar. >Then on Pg 76 dealing with fillets I read " The entire stub wing should be now fully glassed with one layer overall,.... " Is this one layer that is joined at the LE or have I read something incorrectly? >Steve in South Africa >steveb@aviation.denel.co.za > I did not build my KR so be cautious about my comment. Refer to note/paragraph 10.12 on page 75. The entire wing has a minimum of one layer of glass. In addition, a second layer covers the area forward of the front spar (making note to overlap the required amount. Also extend the glass on the lower side of the front of the wing 3". That is for an overlap of the lower skin. While you wait for an answer from someone who really knows, take some time to check the surface for imperfections. The closer to smooth the foam is...the less filling you will have to do. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:06:32 -0500 (EST) From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: KR: Re: Finding Spruce on Your Own > However, interesting point Marvin makes for us Northwest >types- we can actually spend a few hours running around to a couple of >mills and find spruce maybe as easily as fir. Lots of little custom >mills up and down the I-5 corridor and the coast, and the amount of wood >we're talking about, even primo-select, could be had out of one good >find. I'm warming back up to spruce if I can find it and buy it same >cost as fir, or close to it. Maybe you could pay for your project by selling spruce kits to the rest of us? At any rate, the choices are not just spruce and Douglas Fir -- I also see Eastern Spruce, which would let those of us around here do the same thing. It weighs the same as Sitka Spruce. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:06:35 -0500 (EST) From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: KR: RE: Doug FIR >So what your saying is that you would pay $60 a pound to save 14 pounds? You >may want to have a seat on the thrown and ponder that some more! :o) Of course I'd want to save 15 pounds -- that's about the weight of a basic electrical system, quite a bit of luggage for a weekend trip, or a sligfhtly porky passenger in the right seat (not to mention the possibility of becoming slightly porky myself!) The lighter you build it the better it'll fly, and the improvement will be yours as long as you own the plane. I realize people can legally inflate the gross weight number when they register the plane, but the KR was designed to have an 800 lb gross, later upped to 900 lbs. With 12 gallons of fuel and two FAA standard humans, you need a plane as light as you can make it to avoid overgross flying. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:09:25 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins? At 07:17 AM 11/17/97, you wrote: . " Is this one layer that is joined at the LE or have I read something incorrectly? >Steve in South Africa >steveb@aviation.denel.co.za > > I haven't re-checked my plans but I my impression from them if I recall was to glass the D section with one layer and then another layer from leading edge to trailing edge. This gives you two layers on the D section and one layer on the remaining stub. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:20:58 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Progress Well this weekend was full of LOTS of activity in the garage! The wings stubs are done (minus the filling) and the rest of the fairings for this and that are curing as I write. Tomorrow night I will glass the plywood skin on the belly from the firewall to the aft spar and it will be done! Woo Hoo!! Of course there is the filling to do which is 90% of the work but its nice to see all the foam and glass work completed. I plan to make a little scoop that will mount to the belly just aft (facing aft) of the aft spar for cabin air exhaust. It will be similar to the ones found on the Piper Cherokees. I still need to make a fairing for the counter balance weight on the elevator but that should only take 30 minutes or so. If your out surfing, stop by the home page. I made a few changes because I was getting tired of the old look. Check it out and let me know what you think, by the way its still under construction. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:24:07 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: RE: Doug FIR At 01:06 AM 11/17/97 -0500, you wrote: >I realize people can legally inflate the gross weight number when they >register the plane, but the KR was designed to have an 800 lb gross, later upped to 900 lbs. With 12 gallons of fuel and two FAA standard humans, you need a plane as light as you can make it to avoid overgross flying. > >Mike Taglieri > That would be 980 for the real KR! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:42:51 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Aeropoxy Warning Sports fans, I figured out something today. If I am exposed to Aeropoxy long enough (on the bigger layups) I get a wicked headache about an hour or two later! Just thought I would pass this along for those of you considering various brands of epoxy. I never had any trouble with Safe-t-poxy or EZpoxy but this Aeropoxy kicks my butt!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 02:17:48 -0500 (EST) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Video In a message dated 97-11-14 16:24:05 EST, Ross wrote: << If you keep this up I'm going to have to open a special KRNET bank account so I can keep track of all the $10.00 checks I'm getting. >> Hey guy...Just trying to keep you in money so you can finish the "honey do" projects. Got to keep the Mrs. happy. BTW, I'm glad you got the outdoor spa done before we started raising the KRNet funds or you would have to make it HUGE to fit all of us KRNetters in when we stop by in our converted school bus... :-) Randy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 02:49:09 -0500 (EST) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Warp Drive prop warning KRNetheads: I was just skimming my Summer 1997 issue of EAA "Technical Counselor News" and came across this Notice on VW Engines and Warp Drive Props: Warp Drive props of approx. 13 lbs on direct drive VW engines has caused several failures of cranks including 4340 forged cranks. Seems to be a match up problem between the engine and the prop. It has been shearing the prop bolts. They go on to say that it is not a VW engine OR Warp Drive prop problem, just a "match up" problem when using these two components together. It did not say the crank failed, only the prop bolts - Still pretty serious sounding to me. If you are, or plan on, using this combination, please look into it further. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 05:53:52 -0800 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Aeropoxy Warning Micheal Mims wrote: > If I am exposed to Aeropoxy > long enough (on the bigger layups) I get a wicked headache I never had > any trouble with Safe-t-poxy or EZpoxy but this Aeropoxy kicks my butt!!! I am alergic to Safe-t-poxy, EZPoxy. Any skin contact and I break out, and if I don't wear a respirator, I will sneeze for days and get cold-like symptoms in about 3 days after exposure. MINIMIZE all contact, always wear gloves and/or barrier coat, wear a mask with charcoal filter. The alergy sucks. - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 13:24:54 ÿÿÿ From: steveb@aviation.denel.co.za Subject: KR: Wing Skins2 ? Hi Guys Those of you who have tricycle undercarriage. What reinforcing was done on the wing skin to prevent stepping through the wing when trying to get into the aircraft. I was thinking of running two 3/32" plywood profiles between the spars with plywood cross pieces. Then fibreglassing the stepping area with 2 layers. Any comments? steve in South Africa steveb@aviation.denel.co.za ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 06:09:59 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: The Doug Fir Horse/East meets West Hey, Netters- Is there a threshold limit regarding how many posts on a topic before it's allowed to be termed a 'horse'... dead or otherwise? I figure this one certainly qualifies. It's a bit of a tongue-twister, too- I keep wanting to call it a 'doug fir hearse' or a furry dog horse. Anyway, I personally will let this one die since the textbooks are very clear on average weight difference, and it's no chore to have a builder who has just had his spruce delivered to his shop WEIGH THE STUFF, then apply the difference factor, to arrive at a rough difference. I know that Les Palmer's narrative indicates a difference of only 4 lbs, but that doesn't fit what the books say. It would be great, and make the pill easier to swallow, but doesn't compute. As far as Mike T over on the east coast- I don't know if the eastern varieties of wood are as robust or as pure as western varieties, and I wouldn't trust them structurally. Just kidding, of course- that's Rebel talk to you, yankee! BTW, the South will rise again! :o) Also BTW- I am a Colonel in the Confederate Air Force (retired; means the dues were too steep)- If you have never heard/seen/felt Aluminum Overcast, Diamond Lil, or FiFi taxi or fly by, go to a Confederate Air Force show and take in some ROUND ENGINES. If there were only a way to put one of those on a KR... talk about a little terrier with a vicious bite! Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 06:14:11 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: AVgas, MOgas, and fuel leaks. Hi, Jeff- Do they oxygenate the mogas where you are? Also, since you're running a C-85, how do you feel about running mogas in it? When you burn avgas, is there any 80/87 available anymore, or do you use 100LL? Oscar >I fueled with MOGAS >>from a local gas station until the fueling facility could be repaired. I >>was fueling the left tank with MOGAS every morning, then transfering fuel >>up to the header tank as needed. The left fuel level sending unit mount >>was the only one that was constantly imersed in MOGAS for about a week. >>Apparently something in the mogas dissolved enough of the gasket sealer >>to create the fuel leak. >> >>Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > >If you are using autogas with much in the way of additives, anecdotal >evidence is that it is not compatible with epoxy fuel tanks. This may not >apply to ALL epoxies but I would avoid auto gas in these type tanks. > >Ron Lee > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 06:17:25 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Aeropoxy Warning >Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:42:51 -0800 >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >From: Micheal Mims >Subject: KR: Aeropoxy Warning >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >Sports fans, I figured out something today. If I am exposed to Aeropoxy >long enough (on the bigger layups) I get a wicked headache about an hour or >two later! Just thought I would pass this along for those of you >considering various brands of epoxy. I never had any trouble with >Safe-t-poxy or EZpoxy but this Aeropoxy kicks my butt!!! Hey, Mike- Sorry to hear about this. Question- does the headache subside on its own, or do you take meds? If so, does it respond to regular stuff like aspirin or ibuprofen? Seems lots of that type of headache don't listen to regular meds. And, since you are just figuring it out, does that mean that it took a while to develop, or has it been happening all along? Oscar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 06:25:19 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Outdoor spa >From: BSHADR@aol.com >Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 02:17:48 -0500 (EST) >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Subject: KR: Video >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >In a message dated 97-11-14 16:24:05 EST, Ross wrote: > ><< If you keep this up I'm going to have to open a special KRNET bank > account so I can keep track of all the $10.00 checks I'm getting. >> > >Hey guy...Just trying to keep you in money so you can finish the "honey do" >projects. Got to keep the Mrs. happy. BTW, I'm glad you got the outdoor spa >done before we started raising the KRNet funds or you would have to make it >HUGE to fit all of us KRNetters in when we stop by in our converted school >bus... :-) > >Randy > Hey, Randy- This could work pretty well: we get the guys over in Oklahoma to rent a tanker, fill it with cheap gas, hit I-10 over to SoCal (picking up KRNetters along the way), turn north on I-5 (picking up more KRNetters), start selling cheap gas along the way up the west coast, then get to Ross's place with mucho cash, muchos Netters, and happy motorists here on the west coast. Eh? Then we all carve little spruce duckies and float 'em in the hot tub while swapping lies about great landings we've made. Or critique Ross's project. Eh? (Question: do spruce duckies float better than doug fir duckies? How 'bout if we epoxy them with vinylester?) FWIW- I finished reading the KR-2 construction manual last night. Also hurt my eyes trying to see things that aren't clear in the little black'n'white pix. Now I need to send off $75 for the -2S supplement and do some more reading. Oscar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:49:50 -0600 (CST) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: The Doug Fir Horse/East meets West On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > Hey, Netters- > > Is there a threshold limit regarding how many posts on a topic before > it's allowed to be termed a 'horse'... dead or otherwise? I figure this > one certainly qualifies. It's a bit of a tongue-twister, too- I keep > wanting to call it a 'doug fir hearse' or a furry dog horse. I vote for furry dog horse. [snip] > in some ROUND ENGINES. If there were only a way to put one of those on > a KR... talk about a little terrier with a vicious bite! THis is getting a little close to infringing the copyright on the name of my modified KR-2S....LS-3T Sky _Terrier_ :-) Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:24:07 CDT From: "Rex Ellington" Subject: KR: Autofuel G'Day Netters Any filling station is required to keep Material Specification Data Sheets (MSDS sheets) on hand for the gas they pump. Just ask to see them. If they show alcohol (methanol or ethanol), MTBE or TBTE, they may attack epoxies. Around here, about the only mogas that is clean is TOTAL 87 octane. This is fine for my A65: 1gal 100 LL plus 3 gal 87 octane gives 1/2 cc lead and about 90 octane. Rex Ellington Rex T. Ellington ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 07:42:40 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Aeropoxy Warning At 06:17 AM 11/17/97 PST, you wrote: >Hey, Mike- > >Sorry to hear about this. Question- does the headache subside on its >own, or do you take meds? If so, does it respond to regular stuff like >aspirin or ibuprofen? Seems lots of that type of headache don't listen >to regular meds. And, since you are just figuring it out, does that >mean that it took a while to develop, or has it been happening all >along? > >Oscar Its been happening all along, it just took me this long to figure it out! It seems to help if I drink a lot of water and it does respond to medication (tylenol or Excedrin) spelling? Its almost migraine in quality! I also get nausea but have yet to get sick. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:13:41 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: The Doug Fir Horse/East meets West At 06:09 11/17/97 PST, you wrote: > >... If you have never heard/seen/felt Aluminum Overcast, Diamond >Lil, or FiFi taxi or fly by, go to a Confederate Air Force show and take >in some ROUND ENGINES.... >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon Last time it visited, Aluminum Overcast was owned by EAA. Regards brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:25:03 -0800 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: Aeropoxy Warning Well Mike, You are in good company, I remember reading a report that when Ken Rand went to Oshkosh that first time with the KR2. He landed at an airport in Kansas(?) for fuel and the retract gear folded on him, he had to truck the KR to Osh. and do repairs during the show. Anyway he was so allergic to epoxy all he could do was supervise someone else do the repair. The article said " the father of composite construction is allergic to his own aircraft". This is probably where the story started that the KR aircraft were to simple a design to be considered as a REAL HOMEBUILT project. Dave Moore At 10:42 PM 11/16/97 -0800, you wrote: >Sports fans, I figured out something today. If I am exposed to Aeropoxy >long enough (on the bigger layups) I get a wicked headache about an hour or >two later! Just thought I would pass this along for those of you >considering various brands of epoxy. I never had any trouble with >Safe-t-poxy or EZpoxy but this Aeropoxy kicks my butt!!! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > > David Moore Turnkey1@MSComm.Com Hesperia, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:31:08 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: The Doug Fir Horse/East meets West At 12:13 PM 11/17/97 -0600, you wrote: >>... If you have never heard/seen/felt Aluminum Overcast, Diamond >>Lil, or FiFi taxi or fly by, go to a Confederate Air Force show and take >>in some ROUND ENGINES.... >>Oscar Zuniga >>Medford, Oregon Do C-46s, C-47s, and DC6s count?? :o) ____________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine CA http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:48:08 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Re: Archives In the unix world, just use "uncompress", they were "compressed". In the non-unix world, I think pkunzip works. If pkunzip barfs, I can unzip them and send them to you. Someplace I have a pc version of zip, so maybe I should use that....Hmmm. - -- Ross John Bouyea wrote: > > Thanks Ross. > > What tool is used for "un-z" ing files? > > John Bouyea > johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net > kr2s - fitting the engine rails > Hillsboro, Oregon > > -rw-rw---- 1 krnet majordom 20425 May 21 18:44 v01.n020.Z - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:22:07 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Auto Versus Av I have to ask what a $100 hamburger is? A passenger? Or just what it costs to taxi up to the Mcdonald's drive thru. -- Ross Richard E. Parker wrote: > > With an aircraft that uses less than 4 gph and cruises a LOT faster than my > Archer, I wouldnt let fuel costs worry me too much. One less $100 > hamburger in the Archer will cover the diiference between Av and auto fuel > over at least a year. > > AARP > (the Association for the advancement of Richard Parker) > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Roffey [SMTP:jeroffey@tir.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 1997 9:06 PM > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: Epoxy and fuel > > Hey Mike, is your avgas that cheap or the auto fuel that expensive? > We are paying $2.25 in most places for 100LL and the car gas is $1.19. > About half price for mojuice. Alot of folks in the 8GPH range with carbs > are using auto fuel with sucess. > I'm a long way from having to make that decision, but this is going to > be my retirement plane and costs are going to be paramount in it's > opperation at that time. > Also Mike, do I remember you saying (posting) that you used T88 to build > your wood? Did you use somthing else to glue the composite parts to the > wood? > John Roffey (ready to glue) > jeroffey@tir.com > > ---------- - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:28:53 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Funny Stuff, "stupid things people say" At a Santa Fe gas station: "We will sell gasoline to anyone in a glass container." In a New York restaurant: "Customers who consider our waitresses uncivilized you ought to see the manager." On the wall of a Baltimore estate: "Trespassers will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. * Sisters of Mercy" On a long-established New Mexico dry cleaners: "38 years on the same spot." In a Florida maternity ward: "No children allowed." In the offices of a loan company: "Ask about our plans for owning your home." In a New York medical building: "Mental Health Prevention Center" On a New York convalescent home: "For the sick and tired of the Episcopal Church." On a Maine shop: "Our motto is to give our customers the lowest possible prices and workmanship." At a number of military bases: "Restricted to unauthorized personnel." On a display of "I love you only" Valentine cards: "Now available in multi-packs." In the window of a Kentucky appliance store: "Don't kill your wife. Let our washing machine do the dirty work." In a funeral parlor: "Ask about our layaway plan." In a clothing store: "Wonderful bargains for men with 16 and 17 necks." In a Tacoma, Washington men's clothing store: "15 men's wool suits, $10. They won't last an hour!" On a shopping mall marquee: "Archery Tournament-Ears pierced" Outside a country shop: "We buy junk and sell antiques." In the window of an Oregon store: "Why go elsewhere and be cheated when you can come here?" In a Maine restaurant: "Open 7 days a week and weekends." In the vestry of a New England church: "Will the last person to leave please see that the perpetual light is extinguished." In a Pennsylvania cemetery: "Persons are prohibited from picking flowers from any but their own graves." On the grounds of a public school: "No trespassing without permission." On a Tennessee highway: "When this sign is under water, this road is impassable." Similarly, in front of a New Hampshire car wash: "If you can't read this, it's time to wash your car." Quote There was a power outage at a department store yesterday. Twenty people were trapped on the escalators.-Steven Wright ____________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Just Plane Nutts in Irvine CA http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #170 *****************************