From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 8:14 AM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #182 krnet-l-digest Wednesday, December 3 1997 Volume 01 : Number 182 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 16:56:46 -0600 From: Jim Faughn Subject: Re: KR: Experimental A/C Liability Micheal Mims wrote: > > At 09:02 AM 11/27/97 -0800, you wrote: > >Yes, I am paranoid about liabilty. There are too many lawyers chasing too > few real cases. > > > >-- > >Don Reid > >mailto:donreid@erols.com > >http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm > > > > Yea me too, so I plan to give mine to my oldest son when he gets his > license. (of course that's if I deem my KR as a safe airplane) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > Just Plane Nutts in Irvine Ca. > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims I always figured I would donate my plane to a transportation musuem if I ever had to give it up and take a tax write off. I would hate to but it's better than crushing it. - -- Jim Faughn N8931JF St. Louis, MO (314) 652-7659 or (573) 465-8039 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:55:05 -0500 (EST) From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: KR: Fwd: UL: Ski-Saver Tape In a message dated 97-11-30 20:52:08 EST, FlyWeed@aol.com writes: << << Hey, that stuff is wonderful! It's pliable but strong and very sticky (with peel-off backing). A bit expensive at about a buck a foot, but my duct tape has a serious competitor now, at least where a clear tape is desirable that doesn't get brittle in cold weather. Inquiring minds want to know, and so might people on this list. 8>) >> ********************************************* Hello all! I saw the post about ski saver tape. I being a big snow skier, have used this to protect the tops of my skis. You can buy it off the shelf and any big ski equipment dealer. The tape comes in a round container and is in a small roll. comes in variety of colors too. My two cents FlyWeed >> - --------------------- Forwarded message: From: FlyWeed@aol.com Sender: owner-fly-ul@perim.com Reply-to: fly-ul@perim.com (Ultralight List!) To: fly-ul@perim.com (Multiple recipients of list fly-ul) Date: 97-11-30 20:52:08 EST In a message dated 97-11-30 17:44:56 EST, you write: << Hey, that stuff is wonderful! It's pliable but strong and very sticky (with peel-off backing). A bit expensive at about a buck a foot, but my duct tape has a serious competitor now, at least where a clear tape is desirable that doesn't get brittle in cold weather. Inquiring minds want to know, and so might people on this list. 8>) >> ********************************************* Hello all! I saw the post about ski saver tape. I being a big snow skier, have used this to protect the tops of my skis. You can buy it off the shelf and any big ski equipment dealer. The tape comes in a round container and is in a small roll. comes in variety of colors too. My two cents FlyWeed - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subscribe or unsubscribe by sending a message to: listserv@perim.com. In the body of the message, enter SUBSCRIBE FLY-UL or UNSUBSCRIBE FLY-UL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 21:46:06 -0800 From: Donald Reid Subject: KR: Sport Aviaton Not wanting to sound like I am bragging (yeah, RIGHT) but I had an article published in this month's Sport Aviation. Craftsman's Corner, page 116. It is in response to a letter that said Halon should not be used in enclosed areas. My 15 year old daughter read it and said something about "...baffle them with B.S.". - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 00:11:47 -0500 (EST) From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Tiedown rings >>My tiedowns are simple eyebolts screwed to a plate that I bonded to the >main >>spar. When racing I can remove the tie downs and put plugs in the >holes or >>tape over the holes. > My concern is for >getting tied down quickly if have to put down ahead of a squall line or >something (it's happened to me buncha times)- then having to locate the >removed tiedown rings and stuff while the plane is bucking and wanting >to roll away in the wind. I'm still sketching something simple and >retractable in my pocket sketchpad. Unless Bobby hit a squall line during a race, it sounds as though his design would fill the bill for this. I'm assuming from the description that he leaves them in place whenever he's just flying around. As for the details, does "plate bonded to the main spar," mean a nutplate glued to the bottom of the spar, something on an angle iron glued to the front or back, or what? During normal riding, are they Nylocked or safety-wired in place, or is there not any force that would make them want to unscrew? Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 02:03:40 -0500 (EST) From: DC4FREE@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Headsets ??? If you are in the mood to build a fast kit, there is a kit for the headset with boom mike for $40, think it is $60 assembled. It's available from an add in QST (a Ham radio mag.). Thought I had it here but guess I'll have to post the info on it tomorrow. Sorry to get you all excited only to have to wait another day. Don Wright Everett, WA (Pain Field) DC4FREE@AOL.COM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:31:41 +0200 From: "PIERRE & ANTON FOUCHE'" Subject: KR: Jokes Just a Couple of laughes What seperates cabin attendants from the lowest form of life ? THE COCKPIT DOOR !!! What do you call a woman who does a mans job ? A LAZY B......H !!!! (I've obviosly been winding the hostesses up too much lately because the above are from them).& these are the "clean" ones. What do you have if you take 10 laibility lawyers, tie them up , and sink then to the bottom of the ocean with concrete blocks tied to there feet ? A GOOD START !!! Cheers Anton "The biggest ANT in the world" Fouche' South Africa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 06:09:40 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Cockpit width/KR questions >Hi Tom.. Thanks for the info. Ron; I don't know if Tom also replied to your question, but I'll throw another 2 cents your way in reply to your post: >Have you flown in a KR yet? **Nope; just sat in an unfinished one. >How did you pick it? **Saw ads in back of Sport Aviation years ago; didn't believe the cost claim ("$3,500 gets you everything you need to build...")so sent off for info pack, then just kind of stuck with the design. Low cost, high speed, interesting/simple construction. >What motor does your friend have and what speeds does he get with it? **1835cc HAPI VW conversion; I didn't even notice what carb is on it. I'm not sure what speeds it flew before it was put in the shop for conversion to nosegear, but I seem to remember Paul saying he would be happy with 140-150 MPH, and would placard his operating speeds accordingly. >I am a bit frightened with the retract gear that both projects have, >but I suppose you could just leave them down if you never get >comfortable with them. **From what I have seen in the plans, plus heard from others, the retract setup is fussy and not too great. Bad on hard landings; it is said that the gear can punch up through the wing because the spring bar is too springy or cantilevered too far. I would convert to fixed gear (conventional, of course). >By the way.. do you know of any KR's in the Atlanta area. WOuld love >to make motor sounds in the cockpit myself. **There seem to be KRs in ALL areas of the country! I'm sure somebody in the Atlanta area will see this and post you on their whereabouts, and you'll get to see one or maybe get a ride. And, FYI- I did NOT make motor sounds in the cockpit; that would be considered childish with other adults present. I do not make VW motor sounds anyway, only Subaru sounds. :o) Regards, Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 07:10:12 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR progress report... was ..KR: Headsets ??? DC4FREE@aol.com wrote: > > If you are in the mood to build a fast kit, there is a kit for the headset > with boom mike for $40, think it is $60 assembled. It's available from an > add in QST (a Ham radio mag.). > > > Don Wright > Everett, WA (Pain Field) > DC4FREE@AOL.COM - ---------------------- Don: How are you doing on your KR. The last time we talked (Arlington fly-in) you were getting close to finishing. How about a progress report. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - ----------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:07:58 -0800 From: "Don Rideout" <19don26@castles.com> Subject: KR: Re: Sport Aviaton Some times free speech can come back and haunt you. Congrats. 19don26@castles.com SeeYa! - ---------- > From: Donald Reid > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: Sport Aviaton > Date: Monday, December 01, 1997 9:46 PM > > Not wanting to sound like I am bragging (yeah, RIGHT) but I had an > article published in this month's Sport Aviation. Craftsman's Corner, > page 116. It is in response to a letter that said Halon should not be > used in enclosed areas. My 15 year old daughter read it and said > something about "...baffle them with B.S.". > -- > Don Reid > mailto:donreid@erols.com > http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 13:19:05 EST From: rdewees@juno.com (Ron DeWees) Subject: Re: KR: Cockpit width/KR questions On Tue, 02 Dec 1997 06:09:40 PST "Oscar Zuniga" writes: > > >>Hi Tom.. Thanks for the info. > >Ron; I don't know if Tom also replied to your question, but I'll throw > >another 2 cents your way in reply to your post: > >>Have you flown in a KR yet? > >**Nope; just sat in an unfinished one. > >>How did you pick it? > >**Saw ads in back of Sport Aviation years ago; didn't believe the cost > >claim ("$3,500 gets you everything you need to build...")so sent off >for >info pack, then just kind of stuck with the design. Low cost, high >speed, interesting/simple construction. > >>What motor does your friend have and what speeds does he get with it? > >**1835cc HAPI VW conversion; I didn't even notice what carb is on it. >The same with mine.. don't know what carb is on it or whether it will require a heatbox for carb heat. >I'm not sure what speeds it flew before it was put in the shop for >conversion to nosegear, but I seem to remember Paul saying he would be > >happy with 140-150 MPH, and would placard his operating speeds >accordingly. >I too will be happy with those speeds. Is the HAPI 1835 the motor of choice or was it all that was available when the KR's were designed? I also haave thoughts of the Soob but since I have the HAPI with sero time on it I guess it's no good making a change in the middle of the stream. Since I have two projects I might use the first as a learning machine and make the mods or stretching to it after personal experience with the first. >>I am a bit frightened with the retract gear that both projects have, >>but I suppose you could just leave them down if you never get >>comfortable with them. > >**From what I have seen in the plans, plus heard from others, the >retract setup is fussy and not too great. Bad on hard landings; it is > >said that the gear can punch up through the wing because the spring >bar >is too springy or cantilevered too far. I would convert to fixed gear > >(conventional, of course). > >I surmized the same thing but never saw it written down anywhere. It struck me as odd that the retract was standard and the option was fixed gear. With the little plan's speed it would appear that retracts would be beneficial if thwy were practical and safe. I have no taildragger time and imagine the normal length KR will be a handful on the ground. The tires seem very small and they are the only non-rigid part of the gear so I can see that a lot of energy has to go somewhere on a hard landing. >By the way.. do you know of any KR's in the Atlanta area. WOuld love >>to make motor sounds in the cockpit myself. > >**There seem to be KRs in ALL areas of the country! I'm sure somebody > >in the Atlanta area will see this and post you on their whereabouts, >and I would sure like to see one up close and of course fly it too. I know of a KR 2 in Cartersville, about 50 miles NE of here, but haven't met the owner yet. >you'll get to see one or maybe get a ride. And, FYI- I did NOT make >motor sounds in the cockpit; that would be considered childish with >other adults present. I do not make VW motor sounds anyway, only >Subaru >sounds. :o) Thanks so muchfor the comments and suggestions. I will be in a lot bettr situation when/if I get the plans from the seller and the back issues of the KR newsletter. Thanks Ron> >Regards, > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 11:52:26 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Cockpit width/KR questions At 01:19 PM 12/2/97 EST, you wrote: >>I surmized the same thing but never saw it written down anywhere. It >struck me as odd that the retract was standard and the option was fixed >gear. With the little plan's speed it would appear that retracts would be >beneficial if thwy were practical and safe. The retracts are not an option (or standard equipment)any longer as RR doesnt stock the parts to build it, I don't know why they are still in the plans? It would be nice to trade the 10 or 15 pages of useless retract information that is in the plans an explain how to do other things, like size an instrument panel! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 18:32:00 -0500 (EST) From: TANDEM2@aol.com Subject: Re: KR progress report... was ..KR: Headsets ??? ya don, whats up, you getting ready to fly? when you do let marvin and i know and we'll come and see the first flight? tandem2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 16:11:12 -0500 From: george bell Subject: KR: Got my KR plans This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------A920473A917C06EAC145FB53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Went by Rand Robinson's and purchased KR plans today. Mike Mims got me fired up to get started. I sat in the KR2 at Rand Robinson"s last year and felt like a sardine. Sat in Mike's KR with the modifications to the width and headroom and had plenty of room. Mikes KR is in a hanger at Chino airport. Seeing his great project, a beautiful dragonfly, and a RV6 in the advanced stages of construction all in one large hanger, would get anyone who likes airplanes excited. Mike has many good modifications on his KR. I'm going to benefit from his experience hindsight. Thanks Mike! Time to get rid of the junk in the garage and make room for my KR!! George Bell - --------------A920473A917C06EAC145FB53 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for George P. Bell Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: George P. Bell n: Bell;George P. email;internet: gpbell@pacbell.net x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard - --------------A920473A917C06EAC145FB53-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 18:44:59 +0000 From: Bruce Toscano Subject: KR: Re:Useless retract information in manual Speaking of taking the useless retract information out of the manual . . . let's get a $999 computer and put the plans (those multi-printed, torn, drawn years ago, almost totally accurate drawings) on paper using CAD. Let's fix the manual - take out the confusing drawings/info that don't match the plans - put in detailed information that's correct. That way all of the new KR2S builders won't have to look at two separate plans, a notice of change in sizes sheet, and an almost accurate manual to make sense of it all. Don't get me wrong, I love the plane. I would just like to spend my time engineering the "little extras" not the aircraft! Still plugging away with a boat that's almost finished . . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 21:12:12 -0600 From: "Russell Duffy" Subject: KR: KR-1s Hi all, Does anyone build KR-1s anymore? It seems like everyone's building 2-place models now. I just ordered the KR-1 plans today, but haven't ruled out the 2S. I just have to decide between no compromise toy, and usable aircraft. Russell Duffy SlingShot SS-003, N8754K rad@pen.net http://www.pen.net/~rad/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 22:00:18 EST From: rdewees@juno.com Subject: Re: KR: Cockpit width/KR questions On Tue, 02 Dec 1997 11:52:26 -0800 Micheal Mims writes: >At 01:19 PM 12/2/97 EST, you wrote: > >>>I surmized the same thing but never saw it written down anywhere. It >>struck me as odd that the retract was standard and the option was >fixed >>gear. With the little plan's speed it would appear that retracts >would be >>beneficial if thwy were practical and safe. > >The retracts are not an option (or standard equipment)any longer as RR >doesnt stock the parts to build it, I don't know why they are still in >the >plans? It would be nice to trade the 10 or 15 pages of useless >retract >information that is in the plans an explain how to do other things, >like >size an instrument panel! > >Thanks for the info.. Are there any pilots still flying the retracts now or are they essentially "recalled" because of problems? I don't know which plans I will be getting when the folks I got the projects get around to sending them. Do more recent plans or the newsletters tell how to convert to fixed conventional or tri gear? Thanks ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:10:34 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: project update - Langford KRNetHeads, I just finished another sheet in my builder's log and I've only got 1350 hours in it so far, and I'm half way done. That doesn't sound nearly as bad as 1500! I'm finishing up my rudder pedals after about 3 weeks of foolin' around with them. They turned out pretty elegant looking, simpler and lighter than even the plans version. I'll do a story on them for KROnline, but suffice it to say that they're dirt simple, and work great with my size 10 1/2 feet. Some of the savings came from my lack of fasteners. I designed myself into a corner in which I left no room for bolts and I screwed up and drilled the rivet holes 3/16" instead of 1/8", so I used some Tra-Bond (copyright!) that Mark Lougheed sent me a while back to bond a light support bracket to my already light pedal. It's supposed to bond aluminum and other metal permanently. We'll see. Looks an awful lot like JB Weld to me. I should have toe brakes by the end of the week. I made seat backs a few weeks ago out of two layers of 5.85 oz glass on each side with 4.5lb density 3/8" Clark foam sandwiched in the middle. Turns out they weigh 1/3 as much as the 1/4" plywood seatback that the plans call for. Chalk up another few pounds saved by the Lunatic Fringe. And I just installed my third sling seat. It wouldn't seem right if I had only made one or two. I'm in the throes of finding some gas filled springs to hold my canopy open. Managed to spend $10 for a pair from an old Nissan in the junk yard. They were the most worn out I could find. When I got home and compressed them on the bathroom scales, each required 80 lbs of force to compress. My 10 year old Scirocco struts are good for 130 lb each! Needless to say, I had to find something a little lighter for my 18 pound canopy. Finally found just what I need at Guden ( http://www.guden.com ). 19.68 inches extended, 8" stroke, and 20 pounds of force to compress. That ought to be about right. It's all out there, we just gotta find it... As for head-scratchin' time, I start the clock ticking when I go to the basement to work on the plane. I figure if I weren't scratching my head, I'd be doing something else more productive, so I ccount it against KR construction time. I don't count design time at the computer or research time that I'm not actually in the basement because most people don't have to do that sort of thing. But I'd be doing people a disservice if I said it took me 700 hours of actual building time, because they might get the impression that THEY could build it that fast too. Reminds me of when I was a VW mechanic at a dealership in Las Vegas. In '81 they had a batch of bad Diesel Rabbit blocks where the assembly line just got started and they forgot to flip the blocks upside down to empty the solvent out of the head bolt holes. When they screamed those head bolts in place to hold the heads on with their impact wrenches, hydrostatic pressure cracked the block internally. It only took a few miles to mix the black Diesel oil with the coolant. As low man on the "heavy line" totem pole, I had the honor of replacing the blocks on 9 Diesel Rabbits in a row. VW warranty paid 5.5 hours to replace the block! Yep, remove every single stinkin' piece and put and bolt them to a new engine block. I'm sure that some guy who'd done it 1000 times with everything laying right there could do it, but the best I could ever do after the ninth one was about 10 hours. Just 'cause they say it can be done that fast, doesn't make it so. Sorry for the wasted bandwidth, but it's been kinda quite lately. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 20:23:14 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Cockpit width/KR questions At 10:00 PM 12/2/97 EST, you wrote: >>Thanks for the info.. Are there any pilots still flying the retracts now >or are they essentially "recalled" because of problems? I don't know >which plans I will be getting when the folks I got the projects get >around to sending them. Do more recent plans or the newsletters tell how to convert to fixed conventional or tri gear? > Thanks ron > > There are quite I few KRs out ther buzzing around with the retracts. The retracts work fine for most operations. As far as converting to any other gear,.. there seems to be a different philosophy at RR in that you don't get the plans to tell you how to do things until you buy the part. When you buy the fixed gear you get the plans that shows you how to install them, when you buy the turtledeck you get the plan that show you how to install them etc. The "new" plans is kind of a mis use of wording as the plans haven't really changed since about 1980 and those changes were minor. This is an old horse here on the KRnet. You will find some people think the plans are a joke and then you will find people who think there great. I am somewhere in the middle, yes you can build an airplane from the plans and yes compared to other plans they are a joke. Oh well this horse stinks and my gas mask just failed! Later! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Remember,..Service Guarantees Citizenship mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 20:30:22 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re:Useless retract information in manual At 06:44 PM 12/2/97 +0000, you wrote: >Speaking of taking the useless retract information out of the manual . . >. let's get a $999 computer and put the plans (those multi-printed, >torn, drawn years ago, almost totally accurate drawings) on paper using >CAD. Let's fix the manual - take out the confusing drawings/info that >don't match the plans - put in detailed information that's correct. There is a group that tried to do this FOR FREE and I can tell you it just aint gona happen! RR is not interested,..period!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Remember,..Service Guarantees Citizenship mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:05:58 -0800 From: "michael" Subject: Re: KR: Cockpit width/KR questions sparky is still flying with retractable gear, kr is i think still using his picture in ads he is flying with his wife and he built his hears ago before they had kits on;y plans , his plane is at gillespie field in san diego area i saw him today - -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Tuesday, December 02, 1997 8:29 PM Subject: Re: KR: Cockpit width/KR questions >At 10:00 PM 12/2/97 EST, you wrote: >>>Thanks for the info.. Are there any pilots still flying the retracts now >>or are they essentially "recalled" because of problems? I don't know >>which plans I will be getting when the folks I got the projects get >>around to sending them. Do more recent plans or the newsletters tell how to >convert to fixed conventional or tri gear? >> Thanks ron >> >> > >There are quite I few KRs out ther buzzing around with the retracts. The >retracts work fine for most operations. > >As far as converting to any other gear,.. there seems to be a different >philosophy at RR in that you don't get the plans to tell you how to do >things until you buy the part. When you buy the fixed gear you get the >plans that shows you how to install them, when you buy the turtledeck you >get the plan that show you how to install them etc. > > The "new" plans is kind of a mis use of wording as the plans haven't really >changed since about 1980 and those changes were minor. This is an old horse >here on the KRnet. You will find some people think the plans are a joke and >then you will find people who think there great. I am somewhere in the >middle, yes you can build an airplane from the plans and yes compared to >other plans they are a joke. Oh well this horse stinks and my gas mask just >failed! Later! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Remember,..Service Guarantees Citizenship > >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 01:30:07 -0500 (EST) From: DC4FREE@aol.com Subject: KR: KR progress report..and Headset kit Progress report: Well let's see which excuse do I use for my lack of sufficient progress???? I've got everything from the top longeron on down now complete (fixed gear, no wing tanks and standard width). Wish I had been on the KRNET all those years ago when the boat was built cause now when my son and I sit in it and make airplane sounds we have to use a crane to get out. Everyone in that stage think WIDE cause one day you may be. The wings are skinned and leaning against the garage wall. And such a good place to store them it is, well................ there is this small hole in the left wing that appeared last week. Everyone in the family pleads innocent but my bright light and rubber hose should loosen their lips. Well I did promise to tell you about the great headphone kit. I built one and use it on my Ham radio it's great. Sitting there all night working DX with them on is a good deal like a long flight would be. Now their not as nice as Dave Clarks but as a 2nd pair their easy on the head and ears (no I'm not married to the presidents daughter). The kit is $44.95 (took me about 1.5 hours to build including trips to Radio Shack for solder and connectors) the assembled version is $64.95. Their from Warren Gregoire and Associates 1-800-634-0094. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 23:09:45 -0800 From: wolfpacks@juno.com (Linda & Paul Martin) Subject: KR: Tiedown rings Oscar wrote: I looked at the tiedowns on Paul Martin's KR-2, and > they are made from flat strap aligned with the airstream. While >simple, light, and certainly almost zero-drag, I wouldn't use them >without a metal link between them and the tiedown rope, because >they would seem to be sharp enough to slice the rope I plan to use small, spring loaded, aluminum carabiners (like rock climbers use) with the rope already tied on them. I can just "clip" onto the wing and tie the loose end to the ground. Simple, small, light, & strong. I'll let you know how it works even sooner if I can trick Oscar and Hank into "practice building" in MY garage. Paul (skiing my driveway) Martin Ashland, OR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 02:28:38 -0500 (EST) From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Applique finish material KRNetheads: Rick made me do it... I'm sending this from work so I can't go directly to KRNet without bouncing, could you please forward? Thanks! I finally got some more concrete data on the applique finish material. It's being developed by 3M (both the flourinated polymer and the acrylic pressure sensitive adhesive) and has been undergoing test on commercial aircraft since 1987. The cost is stated as $11.19 per square foot, which puts it out of reach for the application we're looking at (~220 sq ft x 11.19 = $2461.80). Just for reference, the current cost for painting commercial/military metal aircraft is stated at $16.38 per square foot, so there is an immediate cost savings if this material is used for those applications. There are other alternatives, but I don't have prices for them. If you're really interested in this stuff, check with 3M and they may be able to help you. I'd shy away from the Monokote/Polycote materials though, mainly due to the temperature sensitivity of the material and peel strength of the adhesive. My opinion is based on working with Monokote about 20 years ago, so it may be worth less than you just paid for it... ;-) Cheers! Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 03:05:39 EST From: LVav8r Subject: KR: Another new web page. Hello all, I finally got around to making my own web page. So now I join the likes of Mike Mims, Mark Langford and others, but I can't compare my page to theirs! If anyone is intrested you can check it out at " http://members.aol.com/LVav8r/index.html " . I'll add to it as I get more photos scanned but just remember, this is a first time effort, so flame me accordingly! : ) Tom Kilgore Las Vegas, NV LVav8r@aol.com http://members.aol.com/LVav8r/index.html KR-2S 2% complete? __I__ _______( X )_______ o/ \o ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 05:13:29 -0600 From: " Mike Filbrandt" Subject: KR: Re: KR-1s Hey Russell, The KR-1 is what I'm workin' on. Hope to have it flyin' in the spring. This weekend if all goes well it will be taken to the airport for the rest of the build so the wings can be put on. I've seen several others on the net that also have done the KR-1. As far as the decision between the no compromise toy & usable aircraft.........we're guys, so 1 or 2 seats, its a toy. The decision to be made is what to tell the wife or girlfriend it is. Blue Skies, Mike redbaronflyrs@centuryinter.net - ---------- > From: Russell Duffy > To: KR list > Subject: KR: KR-1s > Date: Tuesday, December 02, 1997 9:12 PM > > Hi all, > > Does anyone build KR-1s anymore? It seems like everyone's building 2-place > models now. I just ordered the KR-1 plans today, but haven't ruled out the > 2S. > I just have to decide between no compromise toy, and usable aircraft. > > Russell Duffy > SlingShot SS-003, N8754K > rad@pen.net > http://www.pen.net/~rad/ > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 05:20:51 -0600 From: " Mike Filbrandt" Subject: Re: KR: Cockpit width/KR questions My KR-1 is retractable. It doesn't have the original RR system on it though. This system is a positive pin locked type that looks as though it should be pretty sturdy. I'm hoping so anyway. I hope to have it flyin' in the spring, so I guess I'll know more then. Is anyone else on the list using this modified retract system & how does it work for you? I know there were a lot of problems with the original RR retract design. Blue Skies, Mike redbaronflyrs@centuryinter.net - ---------- > From: rdewees@juno.com > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: Cockpit width/KR questions > Date: Tuesday, December 02, 1997 9:00 PM > > > On Tue, 02 Dec 1997 11:52:26 -0800 Micheal Mims > writes: > >At 01:19 PM 12/2/97 EST, you wrote: > > > >>>I surmized the same thing but never saw it written down anywhere. It > >>struck me as odd that the retract was standard and the option was > >fixed > >>gear. With the little plan's speed it would appear that retracts > >would be > >>beneficial if thwy were practical and safe. > > > >The retracts are not an option (or standard equipment)any longer as RR > >doesnt stock the parts to build it, I don't know why they are still in > >the > >plans? It would be nice to trade the 10 or 15 pages of useless > >retract > >information that is in the plans an explain how to do other things, > >like > >size an instrument panel! > > > >Thanks for the info.. Are there any pilots still flying the retracts now > or are they essentially "recalled" because of problems? I don't know > which plans I will be getting when the folks I got the projects get > around to sending them. Do more recent plans or the newsletters tell how > to convert to fixed conventional or tri gear? > Thanks ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 06:32:32 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Headset kit > >Well I did promise to tell you about the great headphone kit. I built one >and use it on my Ham radio it's great. Sitting there all night working DX >with them on is a good deal like a long flight would be. Now their not as >nice as Dave Clarks but as a 2nd pair their easy on the head and ears (no I'm >not married to the presidents daughter). The kit is $44.95 (took me about 1.5 >hours to build including trips to Radio Shack for solder and connectors) the >assembled version is $64.95. Their from Warren Gregoire and Associates >1-800-634-0094. > > Hey, thanks for the info. I'm not married to the president's daughter either, but my "speed brakes" (ears) guarantee that I don't exceed Vne (they are kinda like Bing Crosby's, except magnum size for better sound gathering), and so my headset needs to have earCUPS so as not to press my ears to my head. Gets annoying after about 45 min. So- does this kit headset have "cups", or just the flat-type pieces with perforations? FWIW-I built a Radio Shack ham-band receiver in high school. Didn't work when I first started it up, but my uncle was commander of the local Naval Reserve deal, and they were electronics guys, so... he took it to them as a "project" and got it running (I think I had soldered two wires together inadvertently). Spent many nites listening to crackling static and whiny SSB; learned code and what a BFO does! Hey- how about a 2 meter rig in your KR? Oscar Zuniga ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:52:48 -0600 (CST) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: Headset kit On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > > > >Well I did promise to tell you about the great headphone kit. I built > one > >and use it on my Ham radio it's great. Sitting there all night working > DX > >with them on is a good deal like a long flight would be. Now their not > as > >nice as Dave Clarks but as a 2nd pair their easy on the head and ears > (no I'm > >not married to the presidents daughter). The kit is $44.95 (took me > about 1.5 > >hours to build including trips to Radio Shack for solder and > connectors) the > >assembled version is $64.95. Their from Warren Gregoire and Associates > >1-800-634-0094. > > > > > Hey, thanks for the info. I'm not married to the president's daughter > either, but my "speed brakes" (ears) guarantee that I don't exceed Vne > (they are kinda like Bing Crosby's, except magnum size for better sound > gathering), and so my headset needs to have earCUPS so as not to press > my ears to my head. Gets annoying after about 45 min. So- does this > kit headset have "cups", or just the flat-type pieces with perforations? > > FWIW-I built a Radio Shack ham-band receiver in high school. Didn't > work when I first started it up, but my uncle was commander of the local > Naval Reserve deal, and they were electronics guys, so... he took it to > them as a "project" and got it running (I think I had soldered two wires > together inadvertently). Spent many nites listening to crackling static > and whiny SSB; learned code and what a BFO does! Hey- how about a 2 > meter rig in your KR? > > Oscar Zuniga > now we are getting to some good topics. Steve (WB9KJW) Eberhart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:14:34 -0600 (CST) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: KR: Peel ply and hot wired cores Just finished putting the carbon fiber skin on the wind tunnel airfoil for the NLF(1)0115 tests. After following several threads on other mail lists I decided to peel ply the skins and have been very favorably impressed. THe procedure followed was: 1. hot wired the cores as shown in http://www.newtech.com/nlf/nlf.html 2. with the core nested in the lower shell applied a slurry micro epoxy coat to the core to seal the foam. 3. applied three layers of carbon fiber to the top surface of the core wrapping the carbon fiber around the leading edge about 1". THese layers were wet out with West Systems epoxy using a rubber squeege. 4. applied a layer of peel ply, dacron dress lining material, and wet out with epoxy same as was done for the carbon layers. 5. placed the top shell back on the core and weighted down to prevent warpage. 6. the whole mess was left to cure. After cure the top shell was broken off the peel ply and then the peel ply was pulled off of the surface. The resulting core almost looked as if it had been vacuum bagged with the exception of having the textured finish of the peel ply. 7. the one inch of carbon fiber that was wrapped around the leading edge was sanded to a taper in preparation for applying the carbon fiber to the bottom surface. 8. the process was repeated for the bottom with the exception of nesting in teh top shell as it was destroyed in the above steps. After curing the peel ply was removed and the resulting core was about as perfect as you can get without using a mold. THe surfaces are ready, without any extra work for the final micro coat. I will be using the fish line technique for applying the micro and will detail that on the web page for the NLF wind tunnel model. Needless to say, I was impressed with the procedure and will use it on my full size KR flying surfaces. Steve ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #182 *****************************