From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, December 15, 1997 8:55 AM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #192 krnet-l-digest Monday, December 15 1997 Volume 01 : Number 192 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:02:08 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: shoulder harness attachment (was Crumpled Jetta/belts) At 11:31 AM 12/13/97 -0800, you wrote: The tail post is an easy place to attach, and the possible accidents that >would have a negative outcome from this placement are few, but I deceided not to set myself up for that one. It is not too difficult to attach the shoulder harness at the shear web. >-- In reading about designing aircraft for crash worthiness,.. it was said that the shoulder harness MUST be mounted at shoulder level or higher or a compression injury to the spine will occur. Seems to me that mounting it to the shear web would turn your spine into an accordion pronto! I think I will take my chances on my horizontal stab staying in place,.. thank you! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Remember,..Service Guarantees Citizenship mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:03:54 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: don't get out much: no archive At 11:43 AM 12/13/97 -0800, you wrote: >> Funny thing is your only the second person to ask, either the >>KRNet readers don't get out much or??? :o) >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>Micheal Mims > >Hey Micheal (or do you prefer Mike?) Both are OK with me,.. besides they are much more polite than the names I usually have to respond to. :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Remember,..Service Guarantees Citizenship mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:03:16 -0800 From: hjfine@wave.net Subject: Re: KR: Re: LOEHLE 5151 kit for sale At 05:49 AM 12/13/97 GMT, you wrote: >On Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:18:12 -0800, you wrote: > >> >>> >>>You wrote: The KR can be built in 1000 hours >and it can cruise at 180 mph. It all depends on how you build it. > >Brian, this begs the question: How does one build a KR2 in 1000 hrs which will cruise at 180? Exactly by the plans and with a 2180 cc motor? Hank > >Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P >Claremore, OK >Building stretched and widened KR-2S > >KR-2SBuilder@bigfoot.com >http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:41:29 -0800 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: shoulder harness attachment (was Crumpled Jetta/belts) Micheal Mims wrote: > > > It is not too difficult to attach the shoulder harness at the shear > > web. > >-- > the shoulder harness MUST be mounted at shoulder level or higher or a > compression injury to the spine will occur. Seems to me that mounting it > to the shear web would turn your spine into an accordion pronto! > Micheal Mims Completely correct about the mounting requirements. In my case, the seats are semi-recumbant (lean back a lot) and the shear web is below the level of my shoulders. - -- Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:30:40 -0600 From: Jim Faughn Subject: Re: KR: X-wind landings/was newbie questions Oscar Zuniga wrote: > Patrick wrote: > > >The trigear will offer better landing manners in most conditions, but > >in high winds and crosswinds, the taildragger will be easier to land > >due to its ability to wheel land and plant with forward elevator. > >(I'm sure that one will draw some fire) > > > > > Yes, it should draw some! It's hard enough doing it in a high-wing > aircraft, but I would question the wisdom of trying it in a low-low wing > KR in a high wind or strong x-wind in the first place. With a > high-winger, you can at least land it on one main (way over on one > main,if need be)... but not in the KR. But given a choice, you're not > gonna find many who will agree with you on trying to put the taildragger > down v.s. the tri-gear, high wing or low. Yes, a wheel landing will > give you great control and a positive plant, but you can't hold landing > airspeed all the way to the chocks, and the x-wind will be waiting when > you slow down and the tail starts down. Your feet will be dancing the > dance. > > Oscar "yielding to the wheelbarrows for once" Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com I find the X-wind landing characteristic is related to how current I am. At my best I am only comfortable at the most of a 10 mph direct X-wind. If not at my best I will limit it to lower relative to my current skills. At one Gathering, I wouldn't fly and Bobby was not having trouble because of the tri-gear arrangement. If I have to get it down it is possible but it isn't pretty. - -- Jim Faughn N8931JF St. Louis, MO (314) 652-7659 or (573) 465-8039 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:50:00 -0800 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: X-wind landings Patrick wrote: >The trigear will offer better landing manners in most conditions, but >in high winds and crosswinds, the taildragger will be easier to land >due to its ability to wheel land and plant with forward elevator. >(I'm sure that one will draw some fire) Oscar Zuniga wrote: >>Yes, it should draw some! It's hard enough doing it in a high-wing >>aircraft, but I would question the wisdom of trying it in a low-low wing >>KR in a high wind or strong x-wind in the first place ... and the x-wind >>will be waiting when you slow down and the tail starts down. >>Your feet will be dancing the dance. Jim Faughn wrote: >>>I find the X-wind landing characteristic is related to how current I am. After literally hundreds of crosswind landings in a wide variety of conditions and aircraft, I'd have to say that (after you get on the ground) the tricycle gear aircraft in a crosswind situation are a piece of cake compared to a tail dragger! As has been said many times by pilots far wiser than I, "In a tail dragger it's not a matter of 'whether' you will or will not groundloop the airplane, but rather a matter of 'when' you do it." In my opinion, crosswind components in excess of 15 mph with a tail dragger are kind of iffy, but in a tricycle gear plane I wouldn't hesitate. Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 21:18:12 -0500 (EST) From: jeroffey@tir.com (jeroffey) Subject: Re: KR: CRUMPLE ZONES >At 11:53 PM 12/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >> I used to not like little cars because of the way they fold up on impact >>with something more substantial than them, but the picture of Mark's Jetta >tells the tale. > >What picture? Mark? >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Remember,..Service Guarantees Citizenship > >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims >I was made a believer out of the damage done in a 10mph to small cars yesterday. It was a typical Michigan day here with slippery roads and lots of fender benders to slow traffic down to the usual crawl. I drive an old (1984) Ford pickup that has a very heavy duty trailer hitch that I built way back when. The principal of the junior high school was checking out some kids throwing snowballs instead of watching the road when he tried to test the integrity of my trailer hitch with the front of his Honda. Pealed the hood back about a foot and obliterated everthing on the left corner of the car exposing the ruined rad and belt chewing through the washer bottle. He was successful in scraping a little of the oxidation off the 2" ball on the hitch. Ford 1,,, Honda 0. I love my truck. >John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 18:59:52 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: KR: video Mike I hate to ask again of who to send and how much to write the check for the 97 KR Video but I need to. The garage is getting cleaned out tommorrow and I need the motivation tape to push me along. John F. Esch Salem, OR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 20:09:29 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: shoulder harness attachment (was Crumpled Jetta/belts) At 04:41 PM 12/13/97 -0800, you wrote: Completely correct about the mounting requirements. In my case, the seats are semi-recumbant (lean back a lot) and the shear web is below the level of my shoulders. >-- >Don Reid Well that explains that! :o) You know when you said "shear web" I was thinking the rear spar! I see what your talking about now. DOH!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Remember,..Service Guarantees Citizenship mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 23:09:48 -0600 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR: video Here you go, John: Hey KRNetters, The Gathering Video is finally completed. It's one and a half hours of the best weekend of the year. You'll kinda get a feel of what it was like to be their this year, with lot's of flybys, the activities in the hangar, a good view of most of the KR's. You'll see Jeff Scott's KR-2S, and enjoy a short interview with him. Mike Ladigo's turbine got some footage this year, along with Tom Bagnetto's beautiful KR-1. You'll experience a wild ride with Martin Roberts. There's footage of the spot landing contest, only a few short exerpts from some of the seminars, (for those who weren't able to attend, the seminars were great), and you'll see the awards given out at the banquet. I also included a few shots of some of the non KR aircraft that joined us. We had a great time and I hope the video helps you keep the memories. The videos are $25 which includes postage. We need a check, money order, or credit card. MasterCard or Visa. Credit card orders, make sure we get the account number, card type (MC or Visa)and its expiration date. You can mail your order to us at: Omega Productions 304 Cedar St. NE Grand Rapids, MI 49503 Call Omega Productions at: 616-774-3913 Or E-mail me at: bvermeul@concentric.net At 06:59 PM 12/13/97 -0800, you wrote: >Mike > >I hate to ask again of who to send and how much to write the check for >the 97 KR Video but I need to. The garage is getting cleaned out >tommorrow and I need the motivation tape to push me along. > >John F. Esch >Salem, OR > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:00:17 EST From: Kr2dream Subject: KR: video I just received my copy of the video and it is the best $25 I have spent since I started my project a jear ago. The quality of the video is totally professional and is superb. I believe that any KR builder or wannabe builder will be doing himself (or her self) a disfavor bu not getting a copy. What a tremendous boost for builder morale! Congrats for a job well done. Bob Lasecki Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 12:15:06 -0500 From: Tom Andersen Subject: Re: KR: Alum Fuel Tanks Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > You wrote: > >I desire a 17 gallon metal fuel tank for my KR-2S. > > > >Anyone interested in a KR-2S fuel tank please reply. It is untouched > as > >received from RR. > >Thank you all! > >-Tom > > > Hi, Tom > > If you don't mind my asking- why do you prefer an aluminum tank to the > fiberglass item? More security? > > Thanks > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon Well Oscar, there are several reasons why. 1. Don't have to worry about effects of fuel on epoxy. 2. Don't have to build a fiberglass tank. 3. Don't like the fittings to be used on fiberglass tank. 4. Don't like the idea of fiberglass containing fuel for years. 5. Fiberglass will shatter and crack where aluminum will bend. 6. Aluminum less likely to open up in the event of crash. 7. Can get an alum tank with 5 gal more capacity than RR tank. 8. I really really don't trust the fiberglass tank not to develop leaks. If it even starts a slow drip, it's a big maintenance project to repair. 9. Even though it's slightly heavier, the weight is forward of the CG so that's ok. 10. Aluminum tanks are just nice:) - -Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:22:26 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: KR: Company making canopies - ---------------------- Does anyone know the name and address of the plastic company that makes KR canopies. I think Bobby Muse said he got his canopy at Allied Plastics or Associated Plastics or some name like that. I can't remember the exact name. If anyone knows the name and address I would be grateful. I also wonder if they have a web site? Thanks. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - ------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:39:15 -0500 (EST) From: jeroffey@tir.com (jeroffey) Subject: Re: KR: video >I just received my copy of the video and it is the best $25 I have spent since >I started my project a jear ago. The quality of the video is totally >professional and is superb. I believe that any KR builder or wannabe builder >will be doing himself (or her self) a disfavor bu not getting a copy. What a >tremendous boost for builder morale! Congrats for a job well done. > >Bob Lasecki >Chicago > >Hey Netters . If you don't have your copy of the 97 Gathering, get it soon. You won't be disappointed. Mine came saturday afternoon and brought all activity in the shop to a halt. Great job by Video Bob. The picture in picture of Martin Roberts giving a ride was great, right down to the squeek of the tires on landing in both shots. Just great stuff. I am particularly pleased to be able to put faces to names appearing here on the net. John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 15:11:46 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: KR2S drawings Mike, My dad has a PC but doesn't use ATM machines... everyone has their limit. I don't think we should hold this against RR, however it is limiting their business. -- Ross MikeT nyc wrote: > > >The Website for RR was maintained by Mike Stearns - He is an "ex" KR builder. > >He parted out his project due to a supposed "financial" problem. > > > >Mike told me a couple of years ago that he would print out the RR E-mail > >messages forward them to RR via fax. I don’t know if this protocol is still > >followed today though, or if Mike is even involved with the company hosting > >the site. > > It's one thing to not be maintaining your own web page, but do you mean RR > doesn't even have a computer that can send and receive e-mail? Have they got > those newfangled phones with the push buttons on them instead of dials yet? > > Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 15:17:15 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Re: Re: KR-1s Russ, Don't get too depressed with the "poor quality" plans. I had lots of fun building my KR up from my plans. Sure they could be better, but it's still a lot of fun to build a KR. - -- Ross Russell Duffy wrote: > > >I'm not sure why a KR-1 isn't a usable aircraft if a one-person plane is > >enough. I never considered it because I'd like to at least take a friend > up > >for a sightseeing ride occasionally (or carry lots of luggage on the right > >seat if I were going cross-country alone). However, I assume the KR-1 > would > > I guess by "usable" I meant a true 2 place plane that will hold full sized > adults in relative comfort, with good range, speed, and maybe even some > baggage. This would fulfill the great pilot dream of taking the spouse on > those weekend vacation trips, etc, etc. Unfortunately, that's never really > worked out for me or many other pilots that I've talked to. Weather, work, > or something else always seems to get in the way of this plan. > > What I "want" is a single place performance aircraft. A KR1 would take care > of 90% of all my potential flying adventures. For the other 10%, a KR2S > would be the ticket. The question for me is whether to compromise 90% of my > flying time to satisfy the other 10%. My wife doesn't really like to fly > much. She'll go, and claims that she doesn't mind, but she gets airsick > practically at the sight of the plane. I spend all my time worrying about > her, and she spends all her time being ill. I have a small 2-place plane > now, and she never got interested in it when it was done. It's still in > it's flight restriction time, so we'll see if she jumps in for a ride when > it hits 40 hrs. I predict that she'll take a token ride, and that will be > it. Probably, the most reasonable thing for me to do is to build a KR1, and > rent something larger when needed. > > BTW- You guys are really depressing me with all this talk of poor quality > plans. I should receive the KR1 plans in a week or two. I'm not really > sure what to expect now. > > Russell Duffy > SlingShot SS-003, N8754K > rad@pen.net > http://www.pen.net/~rad/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 15:23:19 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Phoenix Being Invaded!!! Troy, I hope to be able to fetch email in Phoenix, but who knows. I have made two appointments for some Piper Cub time at Chandler Air Service. Anyone else want to go flying? I think I'm signed up for Monday and Thursday the 22nd and 26th or somthing like that. -- Regards Ross P.S. I'm behind... 219 krnet emails to go and counting! Troy Johnson wrote: > > Hey KR-netters, > > Sounds like there is an invasion of KR builders heading my way....Woohoo! > > Maybe we could set up a place to meet when you are all in town, I am here > semi-permanently ( still trying to get that job in CA, Mike M.) but will > definitely still be here through the Holidays. > > Let me know what you guys think. You can reach me at the numbers on my Tag > line or at 602-835-7205 evenings. > > See ya...Troy > ************************************************************* > > If at first you don't succeed.....so much for skydiving! > > Troy A. Johnson > WYLE Electronics > 1955 E. Sky Harbor Circle North > Phoenix, AZ 85034 > (602)-495-9953 > (602)-416-2158 (direct) > > ************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:19:12 -0500 From: "Greg Harris" Subject: KR: Re: video Hi, Just joined the list and will be ordering my plans, etc.. next week. What is this video your talking about? Is it a construction video? Let me know I'd definitly be intereseted in obtaining it.. Thanks - ---------- > From: Kr2dream > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: video > Date: Sunday, December 14, 1997 5:00 PM > > I just received my copy of the video and it is the best $25 I have spent since > I started my project a jear ago. The quality of the video is totally > professional and is superb. I believe that any KR builder or wannabe builder > will be doing himself (or her self) a disfavor bu not getting a copy. What a > tremendous boost for builder morale! Congrats for a job well done. > > Bob Lasecki > Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 15:30:33 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Newbie questions Jeremy, Well I don't know about a Composite tutorial on the Web, but there are a few good books available via Aircraft Spruce and Wicks. Also the much miligned plans actually DO cover this, there is a section dealing with BID/FLOX etc, and it actually may have been the first time I saw it. Indeed the KR was THE FIRST composite kit airplane so you might expect the plans to cover this. Actually others who came later may have done a better job of this, but the KR plans do mention FLOX & BID. I also have a book by Rutan which is good, but I loaned it out and do not recall the title. Check your local Library to see what they have, and if you can find your local EAA chapter, they might have some books too. -- Regards Ross Jeremy Casey wrote: > > I apoligize for the beginner's nature of these couple of questions. I have > read every web page I have seen regarding KR's they I have run across since > I saw one in the real at the Evergreen, Al. fly-in a few weeks back but I am > a newbie and am a little lost on some of the terminology. I am not very > familiar with composite construction as of yet and I keep reading terms > such as 'flox' and 'bid' and so forth. Is there some where to get a > beginner's 'guide' to composite construction on the internet??? I'm not > stupid or nothing, by that I mean that I understand the basics (very > basics!!) but I am interested more in the step by step of what is required > to build a KR.? > Also I have seen several references to "toxic" materials used in the > construction. While I am not trying to save the whales or rain forests or > anything but I do want to live to see my first child born in a few > months!!!! I am curious what type of "dangerous" chemicals are used in the > construction and if they are in fact harmful or whatever what type of > precautions have to be taking during the construction??? > Sorry this got so long but I got a lot more questions I'll save for later... > Thanks in advance > Jeremy Casey > jrcasey@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 15:31:27 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Phoenix Being Invaded!!! John, I will be driving back from Phoenix the 26th-27th towards Oregon. But I will be there from the 20th on. -- Regards Ross jeroffey wrote: > > > > >Hey KR-netters, > > > >Sounds like there is an invasion of KR builders heading my way....Woohoo! > > > >Maybe we could set up a place to meet when you are all in town, I am here > >semi-permanently ( still trying to get that job in CA, Mike M.) but will > >definitely still be here through the Holidays. > > > >Let me know what you guys think. You can reach me at the numbers on my Tag > >line or at 602-835-7205 evenings. > > > >See ya...Troy > >************************************************************* > > > >If at first you don't succeed.....so much for skydiving! > > > >Troy A. Johnson > >WYLE Electronics > >1955 E. Sky Harbor Circle North > >Phoenix, AZ 85034 > >(602)-495-9953 > >(602)-416-2158 (direct) > > > >************************************************************* > >Just for a starting spot, I'll be arriving in Phoenix on the 26th and going > up to Prescott on the 29th and 30th. The rest of the time we'll be at my > inlaws in Sun City West at (602) 584-3260. I'd like to get together at a > central spot to meet some builders if possible, How 'bout a lunch on the > week end of 27th 28th.? We're heading back home on the 3rd. > John Roffey > jeroffey@tir.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 15:34:18 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Phoenix Being Invaded!!! Randy, Yep, Howard is the guy I wanted to contact. I hope to get my act together and call him this week. I'm digging out from being in San-Jose all last week. EAA duties etc. Man.... I will try and grab his number from a newsletter and... BRING IT WITH ME. -- Ross BSHADR wrote: > > In a message dated 97-12-09 00:04:35 EST, you write: > > << I will be in the Sun > city area during this same time period and will meet you whenever you want. > Just say and I will try to set it up. >> > > Ross , and everyone else: > > Don't leave out a call to Howard Kaiser. Long time KR builder & flyer in AZ. > Give him a call. He is always up to KR chat at the drop of a flap. He has a > fair number of KR hours (300+) so he would be a good addition to the group if > you can track him down. > > Randy Stein > BSHADR@aol.com > Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 15:35:59 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Baffle Plates For Revmaster 2100s Rob, Call Great Plains, and order there baffle templates. It's for GPASC VW conversions, but should be a good start for a Revmaster too. I think they are in the $15 dollar range, but I don't recall. My templates came with my engine kit. I haven't finished them yet, but they are a good starting point. -- Regards Ross Rob Matthews wrote: > > Hi Krnetters > > Does anyone have any templates or good pictures on the baffle plates for the > Revmaster 2100s. I am wanting to make some and don't know all the various > plates needed for this motor. > > Many Thanx > > -- > Rob Matthews Have a nice day > South Africa > email mathewrz@iafrica.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 15:39:31 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: RR Cheapshot - Not worth archiving Ouch! BSHADR wrote: > > In a message dated 97-12-09 12:21:27 EST, you write: > > << They got a phone and a FAX! That's the extent of technology at RR :o) > > PS At least one of the phones is push button! >> > > Ahhhhh...would the pay phone out front be the one with the buttons???? > > Randy (the sniper) Stein > BSHADR@aol.com > Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:36:44 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: Re: video On Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:19:12 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, Just joined the list and will be ordering my plans, etc.. next week.= =20 >What is this video your talking about? Is it a construction video? Let= me >know I'd definitly be intereseted in obtaining it.. > >Thanks > Greg, The video was filmed at the 1997 KR Gathering in Perry, OK. It contains mostly video of KR's flying. I would definitely recommend that you get it. You will see how hardly any two KR's are alike and how people have built them the way they wanted and they still fly. It has some excellent footage of KR's. Order it and let Video Bob know that you heard about it on KRNet and he will donate a part of the purchase price to KRNet. Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S=20 KR-2SBuilder@bigfoot.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 15:42:00 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Slow Day? Slow day? Patrick, I haven't seen your email address in the 700 emails that krnet.org had this weekend. Most are from folks who gave me bad email addresses from the webpage form, or who left aol and got dropped.... (I hate the way aol handles this, they send me a big email with the users name at the bottom, forcing me to scroll,scroll scroll UGGH!). I saw a couple of burps at teleport, but they seemed to be individual servers, but I can't rule out a major teleport burp last week, I wasn't monitoring anything much last week... we were on krnet autopilot. -- Ross Patrick Flowers wrote: > > Is KRNet having a slow day or is my ISP losing my mail again? > -- > Patrick Flowers > Mailto:patri63@ibm.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:43:58 -0500 From: "Greg Harris" Subject: Re: KR: Re: video Where do I order it from? Thanks - ---------- > From: Brian Bland > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: Re: video > Date: Sunday, December 14, 1997 6:36 PM > > On Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:19:12 -0500, you wrote: > > >Hi, Just joined the list and will be ordering my plans, etc.. next week. > >What is this video your talking about? Is it a construction video? Let me > >know I'd definitly be intereseted in obtaining it.. > > > >Thanks > > > Greg, > > The video was filmed at the 1997 KR Gathering in Perry, OK. It > contains mostly video of KR's flying. I would definitely recommend > that you get it. You will see how hardly any two KR's are alike and > how people have built them the way they wanted and they still fly. It > has some excellent footage of KR's. Order it and let Video Bob know > that you heard about it on KRNet and he will donate a part of the > purchase price to KRNet. > > > Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P > Claremore, OK > Building stretched and widened KR-2S > > KR-2SBuilder@bigfoot.com > http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:54:43 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: Re: video On Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:43:58 -0500, you wrote: >Where do I order it from? > >Thanks Greg, Sorry about that! Here you go! >The videos are $25 which includes postage.=20 >We need a check, money order, or credit card. MasterCard or Visa. >Credit card orders, make sure we get the account number, card type (MC = or >Visa)and its expiration date. >You can mail your order to us at: =20 >Omega Productions >304 Cedar St. NE >Grand Rapids, MI 49503 >Call Omega Productions at: >616-774-3913 >Or E-mail me at: >bvermeul@concentric.net >If your nervous about credit card security, just send me two e-mails = with >half of you account number one time and the other half later. >If you call, I give you fair warning, I'm gone a lot and you may have to >talk to an answering machine. Make sure you clearly spell your name and >don't rush through your address. >Video Bob >a.k.a. Bob Vermeulen >P.S. Don't forget, KR pilots at the Gathering get a free video and when = you >other guys order, mention KRNet and a part of the purchase price goes to >KRNet or next years Gathering. (Wherever it's need most) Stein and >Youngblood can fight over the money. Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S=20 KR-2SBuilder@bigfoot.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 16:09:02 -0800 From: Ross Subject: KR: KR TRailer Say, I've got a $50 4x8 driftboat trailer that I am thinking of hacking on and making into a KR trailer. This would allow me to transport my project to-from the hanger to work on it, and take it to local schools/malls for EAA activities. I have found a catalog with a low slung axle for about $120, but would need to get a wielder etc.... Anyone done this? Ideas? I'm thinking it should be LOW with a ramp, and a electric winch so you can just hoist the plane into the trailer with one person. Also wing jigs should be provided to make wing install/removal easy like you can do if you spend $90,000 for a nice sailplane with a trailer. Any ideas? -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 19:30:51, -0500 From: YCGB97A@prodigy.com (MR JEAN R VERON) Subject: KR: Internet Message Jim I tried to e-mail you but it didn't go thru. Right now we have my wings on Martys plane. We have been doing some testing and will share the numbers with you later. I found a O-200 and have N4DD torn down. Hope to be ready for sun -n-fun. Jean N4DD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 19:19:17 From: Austin Clark Subject: Re: KR: KR TRailer Ross, I am planning to build a trailer to. Something like you describe should work fine. I plan to use mine to bring the KR home for annuals or other major projects. Just need to be sure it meets the requirements in width, lights, etc. Austin Clark http://www.datasync.com/~itac/ At 16:09 12/14/97 -0800, you wrote: >Say, > I've got a $50 4x8 driftboat trailer that I am thinking of hacking >on and making into a KR trailer. This would allow me to transport >my project to-from the hanger to work on it, and take it to local >schools/malls for EAA activities. > > I have found a catalog with a low slung axle for about $120, but >would need to get a wielder etc.... > > Anyone done this? Ideas? > > I'm thinking it should be LOW with a ramp, and a electric winch >so you can just hoist the plane into the trailer with one person. > >Also wing jigs should be provided to make wing install/removal easy >like you can do if you spend $90,000 for a nice sailplane with a >trailer. > > Any ideas? > > -- Ross > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 97 07:36:21 GMT From: mathewrz@iafrica.com (Rob Matthews) Subject: Re: KR: Baffle Plates For Revmaster 2100s On 15/12/97 1:35AM, in message <34946D5F.C8075367@teleport.com>, Ross wrote: Hi Ross Many thanx for the tip. I will get in touch with them and see if they can help me out being so far away. Many Thanx Rob Matthews (trying to finish the KR) > Rob, > > Call Great Plains, and order there baffle templates. It's > for GPASC VW conversions, but should be a good start for > a Revmaster too. I think they are in the $15 dollar range, > but I don't recall. > > My templates came with my engine kit. I haven't finished > them yet, but they are a good starting point. > > -- Regards > Ross > > Rob Matthews wrote: > > > > Hi Krnetters > > > > Does anyone have any templates or good pictures on the baffle plates for the > > Revmaster 2100s. I am wanting to make some and don't know all the various > > plates needed for this motor. > > > > Many Thanx > > > > -- > > Rob Matthews Have a nice day > > South Africa > > email mathewrz@iafrica.com > - -- Rob Matthews Have a nice day South Africa email mathewrz@iafrica.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:11:10 EST From: KR2 616TJ Subject: Re: KR: Re: video Hey guys, like I said I ordered my video the week before Thanksgiving and I've got more work done on N616TJ since then than I did the month before, wellll almost. It's a great video a JOB WELL DONE to Omega Production, it's professional qaulity. Dana Overall http://www.geocities/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 04:20:44 -0800 From: enewbold@sprynet.com Subject: Re: KR: Trailer Ross wrote: >I've got a $50 4x8 driftboat trailer that I am thinking of hacking >on and making into a KR trailer... >I'm thinking it should be LOW with a ramp, and a electric winch >so you can just hoist the plane into the trailer with one person. >Also wing jigs should be provided to make wing install/removal easy >like you can do if you spend $90,000 for a nice sailplane with a >trailer. The trailer I've been using to move both my flying KR-1 and my 75% completed KR-2 around the country is like this: On top of the bed of the basic trailer is 5x15' plywood box which has sides 30" tall, and 5 each 3x5' top sheets of ply which cover the box. All ply is 3/4". In side the box is where the wings are kept while in transport. The box is lined with white styrofoam and then the wings are then also surrounded by sheets of styrofoam to prevent bouncing around. The ply cover sheets are held onto the top of the box by wing nuts. After the wings are loaded, the top is bolted on, and the the airplane is rolled up two 2x8 planks which lead to the top of the trailer. After the airplane is all the way on top, I take the two planks I used as ramps and place them crosswise on top of the trailer, in front of the airplane. Then, I roll the airplane further forward untile the mains rest squarely on top of these planks. I then secure the plane to the trailer with a variety of straps and ropes. The system works REAL GOOD. I have some photos I'll put on my web site tonight for you. I've used it a lot recently, with no problems. The basic trailer was originally one of those kinda cheap 5x10's ($500) you get from Lowes hardware store. The tongue and rear frame was extended a bit with scrap metal (had a friend do the welding). See ya later. Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:22:11 -0500 From: Patrick Flowers Subject: Re: KR: X-wind landings/was newbie questions Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > Patrick wrote: > > >The trigear will offer better landing manners in most conditions, but > >in high winds and crosswinds, the taildragger will be easier to land > >due to its ability to wheel land and plant with forward elevator. > >(I'm sure that one will draw some fire) > > > > > Yes, it should draw some! It's hard enough doing it in a high-wing > aircraft, but I would question the wisdom of trying it in a low-low wing > KR in a high wind or strong x-wind in the first place. With a > high-winger, you can at least land it on one main (way over on one > main,if need be)... but not in the KR. But given a choice, you're not > gonna find many who will agree with you on trying to put the taildragger > down v.s. the tri-gear, high wing or low. Yes, a wheel landing will > give you great control and a positive plant, but you can't hold landing > airspeed all the way to the chocks, and the x-wind will be waiting when > you slow down and the tail starts down. Your feet will be dancing the > dance. Perhaps I didn't state that very well. I agree that it wouldn't be wise to take any 1,000lb. airplane out on a 25G40 day. I was only stating the simple fact that a taildragger KR will always have the option to land at a lower AOA than a trigear KR, which must always land at near stall AOA or else risk "wheelbarrowing" and damage to the nosegear. This will make the landing phase more controllable. Note that my comment that you quoted is limited to *landing*. I did credit the nosedragger with being easier to taxi, although not by a lot as the castering training wheel will require lots of differential braking to prevent weathervaning. Even the trigear pilot will need to "dance" a little. Patrick - -- Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 15:42:00 GMT From: "R.H.Mole -Richard Mole" Subject: Re KR: British help offered Thanks to the several replies offering to swop Bruce Carmichael's book for a set of Taylor Titch drawings. Oscar made the first request for the drawings and I am very pleased to say that we have agreed the exchange - isn't the internet wonderful! Richard ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 97 15:02:34 GMT From: mathewrz@iafrica.com (Rob Matthews) Subject: KR: Fw: A message you sent could not be delivered Hi Ross I tried but this is what came back. Is Steve still online or what is the problem. I thought i would send it to this address and maybe then he will see it. Regards - -- Rob Matthews Have a nice day South Africa email mathewrz@iafrica.com - ----------------------------Forwarded Message-------------------------------- > This is a report regarding a message you submitted earlier for > delivery to the recipients listed below. The following additional information > was provided by the transport agent: Intermail Delivery Daemon > > Recipient gpasc > did NOT receive the message at Mon Dec 15 09:59:32 1997 > Due to the following Intermail error: > > Notice (External): IDDMSInactive (36/6) > The user message store is inactive. > > > > I have a 2.1 Revmaster engine and beleive that you have templates for these > motors. I live in South africa and would like to know if you could send > some templates out here and what would it all cost and if i can pay by > mastercard. Ross from KRNET mentioned that he got some from you and they > work. > Many Thanx > Rob Matthews > email : mathewrz@iafrica.com ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #192 *****************************