From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 1997 10:05 AM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #198 krnet-l-digest Tuesday, December 23 1997 Volume 01 : Number 198 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:57:35 EST From: Horn2004 Subject: KR: plans control stick bearing In a message dated 12/22/97 11:19:35 AM, you wrote: <> On my first attempt at the stick I followed the plans to the letter. I ended up at ACE hardware and purchased replacement roller bearings which fit over the end of router bits for flush trimming (these were the smallest I could find to fit AN hardware). These things are very smooth and practically bullet proof. After I finished, I trashed it because I thought the RR stick design was kinda crappy. You might consider nylon or some other bearing surface which could be integrated into some other stick design. Check past issues of newsletters. They have some good designs in there. Steve Horn Horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:16:15 -0500 From: smithr Subject: KR: stub wing fuel tanks Question for anyone that has done this: With fixed tri-gear(nosewheel), is there enough room to put both the Diehl gear and the control cables behind the spar and still get about 5 gal stub wing tanks in? I assume you need to allow about 3-4 inches. Any tricks to routing the control cables past the gear? Bob Smith KR2S Merry Christmas to all! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:43:39 EST From: KR2 616TJ Subject: Re: KR: Progress Report and one question In a message dated 97-12-22 12:19:35 EST, you write: << marvin asked a ? on the control stick, about a bearing to use in the sq. steel mount but all the answers seem to go around the ?. >> If I'm reading your letter correctly, you are talking about the rectanglular metal piece that attaches to each side plate and has the mounting hole for the stick. I used the RR stick and used a nylon bushing for the stick and two piece nylon washers for the side plates. I get great movement with not hangups and most of all it conforms to the builder bible of KISS. Look on my webpage at http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ under construction pictures. The first picture is of the instrument panel, you might be able to see the setup, if not let me know and I'll post a closeup picture. Dana Overall KR2616TJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:10:24 From: "Troy Johnson" Subject: KR: Phoenix Meeting Hey Gang, All of you in Phoenix over the holidays, I can meet at Deer Valley airport restaurant mid-afternoon on Saturday or early afternoon on Sunday. They are open until 9pm both nights so if you would rather do dinner that can be handled as well. They have plenty of seating to handle a small group so no res. needed. Let me know...Troy ************************************************************* If at first you don't succeed.....so much for skydiving! Troy A. Johnson WYLE Electronics 1955 E. Sky Harbor Circle North Phoenix, AZ 85034 (602)-495-9953 (602)-416-2158 (direct) ************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:22:26 -0500 (EST) From: jeroffey@tir.com (jeroffey) Subject: Re: KR: Phoenix Meeting > >Hey Gang, > >All of you in Phoenix over the holidays, I can meet at Deer Valley airport >restaurant mid-afternoon on Saturday or early afternoon on Sunday. They >are open until 9pm both nights so if you would rather do dinner that can be >handled as well. They have plenty of seating to handle a small group so no >res. needed. Let me know...Troy >************************************************************* > >If at first you don't succeed.....so much for skydiving! > >Troy A. Johnson >WYLE Electronics >1955 E. Sky Harbor Circle North >Phoenix, AZ 85034 >(602)-495-9953 >(602)-416-2158 (direct) > >************************************************************* >Hi Troy, Saturday evening dinner sounds good to me. Any idea of how many of us for sure? John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:15:18 From: Austin Clark Subject: Re: KR: Progress Report and one question At 11:54 12/22/97 EST, you wrote: >marvin asked a ? on the control stick, about a bearing to use in the sq. steel >mount but all the answers seem to go around the ?. does anyone have the proper >answer or a number for the bearing or a drawing for a stick that is better >shown in the plans. i looked at marvins plans the other day and there is not a >whole lot on it as everyone knows.now marvin is not a pilot yet and either am >i and so we are like newbe's and this has us baffeled some what, can anyone >help on this? thanks a whole bunch. > >tandem2 > >ps. marvin is doing a fine job on his kr and its lookin good. > > I bought the control stick carried by Wicks for the KR. There does not appear to be a bearing on the square piece, but a rod about 1/4" in diameter that is mounted with washers on each side of the brackets that mount the whole thing to the spar. Unfortunatley, my stick is mounted and I can not get close enough to examine it in detail. I plan to turn the fuselage over next week and then I will be able to better explain the construction. Austin Clark http://www.datasync.com/~itac/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 20:35:32 EST From: JEHayward Subject: Re: KR: Quiet Mods In a message dated 97-12-22 00:13:33 EST, you write: << There's a fascinating design in one of Tony Bingelis's engine books for a muffler, required in Switzerland and some other countries, that reduces exhaust noice on a plane to virtually nothing It's a large aluminum tube with a smaller tube of rolled-up hardware cloth inside and the space between them packed with rolled fiberglass. This would be a good companion to a low-noise prop. Mike Taglieri >> I plan on using this type of muffler for my -2S and would like to fair it into the fuselage bottom but am not sure yet of how hot it might get while taxiing around. I imagine I'd have to have some sort of air inlet to allow air to flow thru the "tunnel" with the exhaust pipe inside but don't know what I'll have to conjure up just yet. Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:33:06 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: stub wing fuel tanks smithr wrote: > > Question for anyone that has done this: > > With fixed tri-gear(nosewheel), is there enough room to put both the > Diehl gear and the control cables behind the spar and still get about 5 > gal stub wing tanks in? I assume you need to allow about 3-4 inches. Any > tricks to routing the control cables past the gear? > > Bob Smith KR2S Merry Christmas to all! - -------------------- I added a couple of Brackets and cris-crossed the cable from the front spar to the back spar and then back to the front spar and back to the aileron fitting. Of course this makes it impossible to use the stub wing as a tank. However I am using the outer wings for tanks. The Diehl plans with the gear said to add an extension to the existing bracket and put the pulley four inches out with another bracket attached to the plywood wing rib. This allows the cable to miss the gear casting. But this seemed kind of mickey mouse to me. And you would need some kind of fairlead at the side fo the fuselage. And you would still have the cable partly in the way. You could drill a small hole through the gear casting and run the cable through it. But I am not sure how much this would weaken the gear casting. Martin Mulvey made his gear casting out of solid machined aluminum. If you did this it would be more then strong enough to drill through. Good luck. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:46:47 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: Progress Report and one question KR2 616TJ wrote: > > In a message dated 97-12-22 12:19:35 EST, you write: > > I used the RR stick and used a nylon bushing for the stick and two > piece nylon washers for the side plates. I get great movement with not > hangups and most of all it conforms to the builder bible of KISS. Look on my > webpage at http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ under > construction pictures. The first picture is of the instrument panel, you > might be able to see the setup, if not let me know and I'll post a closeup > picture. > > Dana Overall > KR2616TJ---------- Dana: I couldn't quite see the stick in your picture. But your discription makes sense. I liked your picture of the belly board brake. That looks like it might work real good. Are you not going to use flaps? Thanks all who responded to my question. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:24:32 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Quiet Mods At 08:35 PM 12/22/97 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-12-22 00:13:33 EST, you write: > ><< There's a fascinating design in one of Tony Bingelis's engine books for a>>>>>>>>> Check out the stuff at: ftp://ftp.pilgrimhouse.com/pub/DropBox/Exhausts/ You will like it! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Happy Holidays to Everyone! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:27:19 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Quiet Mods At 08:35 PM 12/22/97 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-12-22 00:13:33 EST, you write: > ><< There's a fascinating design in one of Tony Bingelis's engine books for a > muffler, required in Switzerland............... I still think the Supertrapp would be a better setup, its light weight and adjustable so you can obtain just the right amount of back pressure. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Happy Holidays to Everyone! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:33:55 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Quiet Mods At 07:27 PM 12/22/97 -0800, you wrote: >I still think the Supertrapp would be a better setup, its light weight and >adjustable so you can obtain just the right amount of back pressure. Oh yea,...... http://www.supertrapp.com/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Happy Holidays to Everyone! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:53:29 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Re: stub wing fuel tanks smithr wrote: > With fixed tri-gear(nosewheel), is there enough room to put both the > Diehl gear and the control cables behind the spar and still get about 5 > gal stub wing tanks in? I assume you need to allow about 3-4 inches. Any > tricks to routing the control cables past the gear? Bob, I went down to the basement and measured my gear casting, and assume that 4.5" of your wing tank will be sacrificed to the tri-gear gods. That leaves an area of 90 square inches in your tank (trust me on this) in cross section when viewed from the end. Of course, that means if you have 19" of tank like I did (widened the fuselage 2" on each side), you'll end up with (19" x 90"")/231=7.4 gallons per side, not counting a little airspace at the top, baffles, or sending units. I'd say 7 gallons per side would be a cinch. My area calculation was made using my 3/8" wing skin thickness, but even if you used an inch of foam called for in the plans you'd easily get 6 gallons per side. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford all! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:38:12 -0800 From: "John Bouyea" Subject: KR: Re: boat skinning tip I cheated a bit on this as well; after stapling skin to the side, I flipped the plywood side down on the table to have glue run "into the joint" rather than out of it... John Bouyea johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net kr2s - fitting the stern post Hillsboro, Oregon - ---------- > From: Mark Langford ... > (fuselage side) is constructed, and it's time to skin it with plywood, glue > the plywood to the side that was facing DOWN. When you miter your ... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 23:32:14 -0500 From: "Jeremy Casey" Subject: KR: First plane I have been pondering one big question since I have been studying up on the KR. But let me give you all a 20 second personal history before I do. I am NOT a pilot at the moment. I have had some instruction but thanks to college, marriage, and building a house (not necessarily in that order) I had to put down flying lessons. I grew up around aviation ALL my life, my father is a 4500+ hour Army pilot, but for personal reasons he has been out of aviation for the better part of 15 years. Now I am at a point were I can get on with chasing my dream and my father is wanting to relive his a little. Now on with the question. This would really be directed at those who are currently flying theirs or have flown in a KR. Is the KR2S more plane than would be comfortable for a beginning pilot and/or a "cold" veteran pilot? Clarifaction: By "more" I mean it ain't no spam can 152!! These little slick devils get up and scoot!! By "beginning pilot" I mean I know I am looking at at least a good 2 years of "spare time" to complete a KR in which time I will be going back to my local FBO here in Columbus, Ga. and get my private in the spam cans they have. (Not trying to get instruction in the KR of course) Not trying to insult anyone by suggesting that the KR is anything other than a safe stable aircraft but I am concerned that it might be a case of turning the 16 year old boy loose with the keys to the family Porsche! ( Not against the law but not intelligent...) Honest opinions would be appreciated...I'm not that porky so no BBQ's please. Thanks KRnet heads... Jeremy Casey jrcasey@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 20:46:02 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: First plane At 11:32 PM 12/22/97 -0500, you wrote: Honest opinions would be appreciated...I'm not that porky so no BBQ's >please. > >Thanks KRnet heads... >Jeremy Casey jrcasey@mindspring.com > > Well I have heard Janette tell more than one person on the phone that she does not recommend the KR for low time pilots. Based on the little time I have in one I wouldn't either. I am sure you will get more input on this from some of the other KR "Drivers", also send a email to Jeff Scott at: jscott.pilot@juno.com and ask him. He is a current high time pilot with aerobatic training. He has been flying his KR2 now for a few months and will give you a good idea of what you could be in for. Jeff is no longer on the KRnet so you will need to send a privet email to him. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Happy Holidays to Everyone! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 00:12:01 EST From: MikeT nyc Subject: Re: KR: Brake pedals >I would like to use the Great Plains brake cylinders laying horizontally >on the floor as heel brakes. Anyone heard of this? >-Tom Speaking of heel brakes, has anybody tried to rig up heel brake pedals with the mechanical brakes? Or does anyone here use the mechanical brakes? I would think they'd give adequate braking for the lighter planes with less weight and cost. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:23:04 EST From: MikeT nyc Subject: KR: "Bananna Boat" question I've read all the accounts about the reason for bananna boats and how to prevent them with clamps, support jigs, special-design plans, etc. However, it occurred to me awhile back that we skin the KR boat with aviation-grade plywood that's basically the same stuff conventional wooden planes make everything out of, including curved surfaces that are formed by bending after steaming or soaking. So I'm wondering, has anyone ever tried soaking the plywood before forming the boat to help it bend easier? That might develop a surface without so much strain and result in a flat(ter) bananna. I was also wondering how this soaking could be done, and how much would be needed. Presumably, you'd have to do all the soaking from the outside because the inside couldn't get wet where the ribs were glued, so the results would be uneven. Maybe the work table could be turned into a very shallow tray with a layer of heavy plastic, and each side soaked in 1/4" or so of water? Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:23:13 EST From: MikeT nyc Subject: Re: KR: Limbach engines for KR? >> My L2000 Eo2X has only ONE magneto. It is approved for PFA permit a/c (like > >> US experimental category) that conform to the JAR VLA - the Very Light >> Aircraft regulations of the new European Joint Aircraft Requirements that >> are set to supersede the national requirements of the UK, France, Germany >> etc. These engine regs do NOT stipulate mandatory dual ignition. >> >> VLA have no more than 2 seats, a stalling speed below 45 kts and a MAUW >that >> I forget! (my 1012 lbs Jodel qualifies and so would a KR provided you could > >> prove that the stalling speed actually was lower than 45 kts - and not just > >> an ASI of 45 kts). >> >> There is a 2 magneto version. Its VERY much more expensive (special >castings >> needed etc) and produces slightly less power (turning a magneto absorbs >> measurable hp and the combustion chamber is designed for one mag) Is this single magneto the equivalent of a standard Slick or something beefier? Not to say a Slick mag is not well made (and Slick recommends them for single-mag use with a more frequent maintenance schedule), but I'd assume a country that requires two mags on a plane might get used to a different level of mag reliability than a country whose planes have only one. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 00:34:35 -0800 From: "parley t. byington" Subject: Re: KR: First plane Jeremy I am a pilot with 435 hours and a commercial license. The last 140 hours have mostly been in my KR-2 (N54PB). Last Saturday I successfully flew my bird for the first time in 3 years. I have had it in my garage re-painting and making some modifications. I also have several thousand hours in jet simulators mostly F-4 types. The KR-2 is a very fast pitch sensitive airplane. The airplane is very short coupled but can be handled if you're ready for it. My bird was built from the earlier set of plans and is pretty much stock, it has a 1835 turbo charged VW engine and like most is overweight. The retractable gear is simple but not very well designed. I installed an additional spring setup to insure the down locks stay locked. I don't mean to ramble, but thought you may be interested in some of the particulars of my bird and how it is set up. I made it into a single place because I weight 236 lbs and the plane is already heavy. When I flew last saturday it had been over three years since I had flown with the exception of my check ride in a C-152 two weeks prior. I also had only about 20 hours of tail dragger time when I first flew my plane on 12/7/91. Many pilots will say that I was foolish for flying this type of aircraft with so little experience in tail draggers and maybe they are right. I did have several things going for me that others may not. One is that I spent over 15 hours of taxing on a large dry lake here in southern Nevada. I was able to get a lot of stick time on the ground with out the worry of running into anything due to the dry lake's wide open area. Two, the number of hours I spent as a simulator technician flying PITCH sensitive aircraft such as the F-4. The KR-2 is a fun aircraft to fly, try to get as much stick time in tail draggers and if possible go up in a KR to get the feel of it before going up on your own. Let me know if I can answer any of your questions and good luck to you in your flying endevors. Sincerely Parley Byington ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 97 10:24:00 GMT From: "R.H.Mole -Richard Mole" Subject: KR: Re Limbach engines I forgot to say that the L2000EO2X engine uses a Slick 4230 (the last four characters mean Single mag, aft & low slung carburettor, hub for fixed pitch prop, & Experimental). I take my mag for its 500 hr check (ie dismantle and rebuild) to the best mag shop I know every 250 hrs. If you only have one it pays to look after it. Same applies to the carburettor, fuel filter etc etc. It is quite noticeable, at the busy field that I fly from, that the serious engine problems that have occurred to a whole variety of commercially built and some experimental craft, from the simplest Cub to the most complex twin, are all related to really basic things. The basic things include having a continuus fuel supply and magnetos with serviceable points and coils. In all humility, Richard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 97 10:24:00 GMT From: "R.H.Mole -Richard Mole" Subject: KR: Re Supertrapp Great name - but what is it please. Richard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 07:34:58 EST From: KR2 616TJ Subject: Re: KR: Progress Report and one question In a message dated 97-12-22 21:52:18 EST, you write: << I liked your picture of the belly board brake. That looks like it might work real good. Are you not going to use flaps? >> We've had long discussions about the properties of flaps vs. belly boards and there seems to be proponents on both sides of the fence. Given the relative small size of flaps available on a KR and the fact that I'm not looking for lift but only drag on final, I went with the belly board. This approach once again conformed with KISS as opposed to speed brakes incorporated into the wings. Although drag can be produced with a slip, if you've ever seen a KR come in with the belly board extended you'll be impressed with the nose down attitude and increased deck angle with no increase in speed. Given all this, the belly board is a nice addition for not much work. Dana Overall http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 08:12:53 -0600 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR: Quiet Mods Since nobody has mentioned the exact source yet, the "Swiss muffler" is on page 111 of Tony Bingelis' "Firewall Forward" book - I'll mention Tony's series of books here, again, for the benefit of the newbies as a MUST READ series when homebuilding - right guys? The ol' "glasspacks" we used to put on our '50s (that dates me, doesn't it?) or so vintage cars were similar in design. We liked the mellow sound it gave to our exhaust - but it didn't always keep the local cops away (noise) - I can attest to that! :-) I've heard some pretty quiet KRs with VWs on them - but they weren't running short stacks either (like mine). Any design which collects the exhaust will help get rid of that stocatto - if that's what your after. Ed Janssen At 08:58 AM 12/22/97 -0600, you wrote: >On Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:40:31 EST, you wrote: > >>> I have always thought I'd like my plane to have quiet >>>mods of any type I can, since my ears have heard too many .357s and such >>>over the years, and my hearing is going south. >> >>There's a fascinating design in one of Tony Bingelis's engine books for a >>muffler, required in Switzerland and some other countries, that reduces >>exhaust noice on a plane to virtually nothing It's a large aluminum tube with >>a smaller tube of rolled-up hardware cloth inside and the space between them >>packed with rolled fiberglass. This would be a good companion to a low-noise >>prop. >> >>Mike Taglieri >> >In the old days we called them "glass packs". Now it is fairly >standard fare on aftermarket exhaust systems for motorcycles. Sounds >like a really good idea though if the need ever arises. It shouldn't >weigh very much. > >CW Crane > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:29:46 -0800 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: First plane Jeremy Casey wrote: > > I have been pondering one big question since I have been studying up on the > KR. But let me give you all a 20 second personal history before I do. > I am NOT a pilot at the moment. I have had some instruction but thanks > to college, marriage, and building a house (not necessarily in that order) I > had to put down flying lessons. I grew up around aviation ALL my life, my > father is a 4500+ hour Army pilot, but for personal reasons he has been out > of aviation for the better part of 15 years. Now I am at a point were I can > get on with chasing my dream and my father is wanting to relive his a > little. Now on with the question. > This would really be directed at those who are currently flying theirs > or have flown in a KR. Is the KR2S more plane than would be comfortable for > a beginning pilot and/or a "cold" veteran pilot? > Clarifaction: > By "more" I mean it ain't no spam can 152!! These little slick devils > get up and scoot!! > By "beginning pilot" I mean I know I am looking at at least a good 2 > years of "spare time" to complete a KR in which time I will be going back to > my local FBO here in Columbus, Ga. and get my private in the spam cans they > have. (Not trying to get instruction in the KR of course) > Not trying to insult anyone by suggesting that the KR is anything other > than a safe stable aircraft but I am concerned that it might be a case of > turning the 16 year old boy loose with the keys to the family Porsche! ( Not > against the law but not intelligent...) > Honest opinions would be appreciated...I'm not that porky so no BBQ's > please. > > Thanks KRnet heads... > Jeremy Casey jrcasey@mindspring.com Jeremy, I have been a private pilot for 2 years now. I started building my KR2 about the same time I started flying lessons. I solo'd at 7 hours, passed my checkride at 41 hours. I now have a grand total of about 70 hours, the last 5 or so in my newly completed KR2. Before I flew, I got a ride in Marty Robert's 0-200 powered KR2 (now that will get one motivated!), and got about 1 hour stick time in a local KR2. Seems like it took about 15 minutes to get used to the feel of the stick. My first flight went off without a hitch. I felt in control the entire flight, made a decent landing and walked away with everything intact. Probably the most fun I have ever had sitting down. Dont get me wrong, the KR requires your utmost attention at all times, but I really dont feel that it is beyong the average Joe-pilot's capabilities---- with a few precautions. Beleive me, it is very tempting to go fly once the plane is done. DONT do it without getting some stick time first. There are plenty of KR drivers out there who are willing to take you up. Climbing off my soapbox now, Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC FLYS! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 09:24:27 -0500 From: Tom Andersen Subject: Re: KR: First plane Jeremy Casey wrote: Is the KR2S more plane than would be comfortable for > a beginning pilot and/or a "cold" veteran pilot? > Clarifaction: > By "more" I mean it ain't no spam can 152!! These little slick devils > get up and scoot!! Jeremy, If you start your lessons now, when you get your KR done in 2003 you'll have plenty of rental time under your belt. Then you'll find helpful KR drivers that will give you a few hours in a KR to help make the transition. If you fly 1 hour a week, that's 260 hours! Just build the airplane you really want and simultaneously pursue proficiency. Don't dare test fly it yourself, get an experienced and brave KR driver to do the test flights for you. He might be willing to help you transition in your own plane when the time comes. A BRS on board helps find volunteers:) - -Tom in Orlando ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 06:36:30 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Limbach >Are there many Limbachs in KR-2' s ?? If not why ?? > >Harold > Hello, Harold- When was the last time you saw a Limbach in the local junkyard, or under the hood of a car at the gas station? The main reason people tend towards using more common engines, is spelled $$$!! Just think; there are thousands and thousands of Subarus in every major city everywhere, and even in Rio Linda ;o) Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 08:40:36 -0600 From: Jim Faughn Subject: Re: KR: First plane Jeremy Casey wrote: > I am NOT a pilot at the moment. > By "more" I mean it ain't no spam can 152!! These little slick devils > get up and scoot!! > By "beginning pilot" I mean I know I am looking at at least a good 2 > years of "spare time" to complete a KR in which time I will be going back to > my local FBO here in Columbus, Ga. and get my private in the spam cans they > have. (Not trying to get instruction in the KR of course) > > Honest opinions would be appreciated...I'm not that porky so no BBQ's > please. > > Thanks KRnet heads... > Jeremy Casey jrcasey@mindspring.com I didn't have my pilots license when I started building my KR. I had just started my pilot training and was looking for a less expensive way to fly. It took me longer than 2 years of spare time to build it. (We all have stories of why and I won't bore you with mine, but, you will also have some stories after 2 years and you might as well plan for them for a more realistic date unless you are planning to only build.) I finished my pilots license before my plane and managed to get 125 hrs total time by the time I finished my KR. I test flew my plane and have more time in it than any other type. It is safe, easily controlled (after the first hour), and you will be happy with it. I built the KR-2 and if I were to do it over again I would build the KR-2S. I don't know how you can get more value for the money. - -- Jim Faughn N8931JF St. Louis, MO (314) 652-7659 or (573) 465-8039 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 08:43:29 -0600 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR: First plane Tell you what, Jeremy, you'll get a lot of advice from this group :-) - some excellent and some good - about KRs. I'll try to cut through all the flack with this - get a ride in one. There are enough KRs around, now, that you shouldn't have a lot of difficulty finding someone to give you a demo. Let the netters know where you live, and you'll probably get your ride. Ed Janssen That'll answer most, if not all, of your questions thatt so goodAt 11:32 PM 12/22/97 -0500, you wrote: >I have been pondering one big question since I have been studying up on the >KR. But let me give you all a 20 second personal history before I do. > I am NOT a pilot at the moment. I have had some instruction but thanks >to college, marriage, and building a house (not necessarily in that order) I >had to put down flying lessons. I grew up around aviation ALL my life, my >father is a 4500+ hour Army pilot, but for personal reasons he has been out >of aviation for the better part of 15 years. Now I am at a point were I can >get on with chasing my dream and my father is wanting to relive his a >little. Now on with the question. > This would really be directed at those who are currently flying theirs >or have flown in a KR. Is the KR2S more plane than would be comfortable for >a beginning pilot and/or a "cold" veteran pilot? > Clarifaction: > By "more" I mean it ain't no spam can 152!! These little slick devils >get up and scoot!! > By "beginning pilot" I mean I know I am looking at at least a good 2 >years of "spare time" to complete a KR in which time I will be going back to >my local FBO here in Columbus, Ga. and get my private in the spam cans they >have. (Not trying to get instruction in the KR of course) > Not trying to insult anyone by suggesting that the KR is anything other >than a safe stable aircraft but I am concerned that it might be a case of >turning the 16 year old boy loose with the keys to the family Porsche! ( Not >against the law but not intelligent...) > Honest opinions would be appreciated...I'm not that porky so no BBQ's >please. > >Thanks KRnet heads... >Jeremy Casey jrcasey@mindspring.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:11:56 -0500 From: Patrick Flowers Subject: KR: Merry Christmas(free stuff) I discovered that you can get a *free*(that's right - save your $5) AS&S catalog from the AS&S web site at: http://www.aircraft-spruce.com/spruce/pages.cgi/catalog_order Mine came in about a week. Also, I called Dillsburg Aeroplane Works to find out how much to send for their price list. They took my name and address over the phone and I had my list in two days(their ad in Sport Aviation says send SASE). If you're not familiar with Dillsburg, they're a great place to order hardware. Supposedly have the best price on tubing and sheet metal(over 1,000,000 lineal feet of tubing in stock), although in the quantities required for a KR, you won't save much. The list is well worth the phone call. It's a family operation and the owner, Charles Vogelsong, will likely answer the phone by only saying "Vogelsong", so be prepared for that. Then he'll probably hand you off to his daughter to take your name and address. Oh yea, the phone number - (717) 432-4589. Merry Christmas to all... Patrick - -- Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 07:38:51 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: "Bananna Boat" question MikeT nyc wrote: > > > steaming or soaking. So I'm wondering, has anyone ever tried soaking the > plywood before forming the boat to help it bend easier? That might develop a > surface without so much strain and result in a flat(ter) bananna. > > I was also wondering how this soaking could be done, and how much would be > needed. > Mike Taglieri--------------------- Soaking the plywood will make it bend easier. But you must make sure it is totally dry before you try to glue it. Epoxy will not stick to wet wood. And if the surface only is dry the moisture trapped inside the wood will cause rot. My own opinion, FWIW, is that to steam or soak the plywood sides would be more trouble then it is worth. jIt is one thing to soak a small piece of wood but to do it on a piece 12 or 14 feet long may be a bit much. If you are worried about the bannana boat problem then the best way to correct it is in the design or drawing stage before you layout your boat sides. I did not worry about it. I just skinned the boat after the frame work was all glued together. Then the plywood went on real easy. I still had a bananna boat but my fire wall is level and I have had no problems. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field Mr.Marvin@worldnet.att.net - --------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 08:28:26 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re Supertrapp At 10:24 AM 12/23/97 GMT, you wrote: > >Great name - but what is it please. > >Richard > Its an exhaust system produced in the US for Off Road vehicles, they just started a new line of systems made out of aluminum. One of their simplest forms of silencers only weighs 2 pounds! The silencer portion of the muffler is completely adjustable. You can see some of their products at: http://www.supertrapp.com/ . If you send them an email telling them you are interested in their off road products they will send you a nice catalog. Just don't mention the "A" word! (airplane) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Happy Holidays to all!!! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 08:45:05 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Prop Maker Phone Numbers Does anyone have the phone numbers to the following handy? Ed Sterba Aymar Demuth Ray Heggy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Happy Holidays to all!!! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 11:41:01 EST From: TANDEM2 Subject: Re: KR: Progress Report and one question dana, thank you ,i will look at your set up. tandem2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 11:31:29 EST From: TANDEM2 Subject: Re: KR: stub wing fuel tanks bob, talk to marvin, he did a nice set up on his tri with the cable routing and i would put the tanks in the main wings. tandem2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 11:57:31 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: Prop Maker Phone Numbers At 08:45 12/23/97 -0800, you wrote: >Does anyone have the phone numbers to the following handy? > >Ed Sterba >Aymar Demuth >Ray Heggy >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Happy Holidays to all!!! > Those names are so rare - I wanna bet that when I come home from work I can find them from www.switchboard.com or suchlike.. Regards brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:05:16 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: FAA Inspection (humor) Here's one for the season, from the airsoob list: >Santa Claus, like all pilots, gets regular visits from the Federal >Aviation Administration, and it was shortly before Christmas when >the FAA examiner arrived. > >In preparation, Santa had the elves wash the sled and bathe all >the reindeer. Santa got his logbook out and made sure all his >paperwork was in order. > >The examiner walked slowly around the sled. He checked the reindeer >harnesses, the landing gear, and Rudolf's nose. He painstakingly >reviewed Santa's weight and balance calculations for the sled's >enormous payload. > >Finally, they were ready for the checkride. Santa got in and >fastened his seatbelt and shoulder harness and checked the >compass. Then the examiner hopped in carrying, to Santa's >surprise, a shotgun. > >"What's that for?" asked Santa incredulously. > >The examiner winked and said, "I'm not supposed to tell you this, >but you're gonna lose an engine on takeoff." > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #198 *****************************