From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 1998 8:31 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V1 #204 krnet-l-digest Thursday, January 1 1998 Volume 01 : Number 204 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:21:25 EST From: TANDEM2 Subject: Re: KR: NLF(1)0115 steve, will we be able to get all the specs to build the new wings and spars or what? tandem2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:52:39 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Wind tunnel Ross wrote: >Gee, maybe we should build a wind tunnel? > Hey, Ross! I know where to buy a brand-new GM Goodwrench 454 fuel-injected Chevy to power the tunnel fan with! Under 3 grand! I would do it just to hear that thing run, too. Oscar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 19:08:49 EST From: MikeT nyc Subject: Re: KR: insurance > Lack of > insurance on the airplane inself will present a huge > risk to me personally but not one that will keep me > grounded. I've not spent eight years building this thing > to use it as a yard decoration!!!!!! Lack of liability insurance presents a "huge risk" if you're flying over areas where you could hit people or structures, but liability insurance sounds like the cheap part of these estimates. Even if a plane cracked up and nothing was salvageable, the only loss would be the cost of the materials, so hull insurance seems far less necessary. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:37:26 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR: NLF(1)0115 TANDEM2 wrote: > steve, will we be able to get all the specs to build the new wings and spars > or what? I'll plot out airfoil templates for a small fee, and Mark Lougheed probably will to. Mine will have spars, level lines for various incidences, hinge locations, etc drawn on them as well to minimize errors. Don't sweat the CAD stuff... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:40:04 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: NLF templates Oh, I forgot to mention that everybody who contributed $100 or more towards the wind tunnel project will get them for free... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 17:06:05 -0800 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: The video Well, I got the video from Video Bob yesterday, and if you are a fan of faast inexspensive aircraft, then you have got to buy this video. It is just the thing to get the inspiration and building juices going. Dave Moore At 10:36 AM 12/31/97 -0800, you wrote: >I checked with Bob Vermeulen at Omega productions "Video Bob". > >He may not be getting the emails from the web form as intended. > >I have been getting copies of the emails myself at krnet@krnet.org >and will try to forward the ones I've saved to him so he can >contact you. > >If you are one of the neglected... here is his email address > >bvermeul@concentric.net > >The tapes are $25, and are fun to watch! > > David Moore Turnkey1@MSComm.Com Hesperia, California ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 19:49:37 -0600 From: kencor@cneti.com (Ken Cornelius) Subject: Re: KR: Huntsville Gathering III >Two or three guys wrote: > >> > ...we'll shoot for Jan. 24th if Mark's clear on that date. > >Sounds good to me. I'll haul the kids to Grandma's at about 10:00, and >could meet you guys at Madison County Executive (M82) at 11:00 (CST). Call >me at 205-851-9902 if you need to, or the cell phone at the last minute at >205-683-7895. We could eat lunch on the way to my house. Talked to Troy >Petteway tonight, and he'd love to be here too. If we're lucky, Jim Hill >will be in town, and we can check out his repair job to his KR. He missed >the last Gathering due to a job related school he has been attending >forever. And Randy, if I wanted to steal ALL of the faithful, I'd have >mentioned the Booby Bungalo... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >email at langford@hiwaay.net >KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > Hi Mark, I can't plan that far ahead right now, we have a backlog of work. If I'm around I'll try to come up and visit also. I need to get my priorities corrected...the KR comes first. RIGHT!! Hope to see you soon. Ken Cornelius kencor@cneti.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 19:13:41 -0700 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: NLF templates (no archive) At 06:40 PM 12/31/97 -0600, you wrote: >Oh, I forgot to mention that everybody who contributed $100 or more towards >the wind tunnel project will get them for free... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >email at langford@hiwaay.net >KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > If we contributed $50.....maybe a 50% discount eh! Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:52:19 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: KR: addition to web site I added some sound bites to my website that people on KRnet might like, I am sure I hear otherwise if not. Make sure to have your speakers turned on because one plays when page is loaded and the second is controllable by the operator. John F. Esch Salem, OR http://www.cyberis.net/~sesch ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 97 19:50:33 PST From: "Timothy J. Anderson" Subject: KR: Starting to Build? Gang, This is about a lively and dedicated a group as I've seen in the homebuilding community. Keep it up! I want to start building my KR-2S early this spring, however, with all the stuff going on regarding the new airfoil (that I'd like to include on my plane) do I go ahead and start the "boat" or should I wait until more detailed anlaysis of the wing determines optimum span, cord, incidence, washout, etc. What effects with these have on the construction of the fuslage? (Someone mentioned earlier about a possible change in the location of the spars and supporting work) Do we know yet what modifications need to be made? Bill Langford's project is just about what I have invisioned for my project, except I'd like to widen it slightly more than he did. Tim Anderson Stockton, CA tanderso@inreach.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 22:54:27 -0600 From: "Terry Chizek" Subject: KR: spring clamps Harbor freight has ten pc. set of spring clamp for 9.99 i got a set and happy with the quality terry chizek . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 20:53:00 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: [Fwd: New airfoil] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------167EB0E72781E494446B9B3D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This post was sent to krnet@krnet.org by mistake... (I know it's confusing... sorry about this). Send posts to KRNET-L@teleport.com - -- Ross - -- KRNET-L Administrator !!! REMEMBER POSTS GO TO !!! krnet@krnet.org !!! KRNET-L@teleport.com !!! rossy@teleport.com !!! NOT krnet@krnet.org !!! http://www.krnet.org - --------------167EB0E72781E494446B9B3D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by smtp3 for krnet (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.21 1997/08/10) Wed Dec 31 20:43:55 1997) X-From_: CLauter295@aol.com Wed Dec 31 13:10:57 1997 Return-Path: CLauter295@aol.com Received: from imo02.mx.aol.com (imo02.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.104]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03349 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:10:55 -0800 (PST) From: CLauter295 Message-ID: <9e9062ca.34aab4cd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:10:35 EST To: krnet@krnet.org Subject: New airfoil Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Folks, I have been off the e:mail list for about 3 weeks, and was wondering what ever came of the wind tunnel tests for the new airfoil? Also, I haven't been able to locate any completed KRs (I or IIs) in DC area, so I thought I'd ask again if some one has one around here for me to look at. - --------------167EB0E72781E494446B9B3D-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 20:55:30 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: RE:insurance (pretty long) EagleGator wrote: > > To answer Larry's questions: > > My initial thought for inspections is to make use of the EAA tech counselor > program, depending on what the limits are on the authority the TCs have and > the liability they are willing to assume. The only thing different from a > "standard" visit from a tech counselor is that we would have a detailed > checklist of specific items for him/her to look at. This was suggested by Jim > Nelson from Avemco, also. More research required. From what I know about Technical counselors, they are not really an "inspection" authority, and cannot assume any liability for inspections. Some of this was spelled out in last months Technical Counselor magazine... If I can find my copy.... BTW: Tech Counselor is going to be merged into Experimenter magazine. I think this is a good idea. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 20:56:40 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Wind tunnel Gee I just thought we could put 3-5 KRNETTERS at one end and discuss some dead horses to power the windtunnel. -- Ross Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > Ross wrote: > >Gee, maybe we should build a wind tunnel? > > > > Hey, Ross! > > I know where to buy a brand-new GM Goodwrench 454 fuel-injected Chevy to > power the tunnel fan with! Under 3 grand! I would do it just to hear > that thing run, too. > > Oscar > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 03:10:44 EST From: EagleGator Subject: KR: Test Plan Update I just published the latest and (I think) greatest version of my test plan to my web page. Major changes in version 7: 1. Reordered test approach to put all stability testing before envelope expansion and stalls. 2. Incorporated review comments from a couple of other professional test pilots. 3. Took out most of the generic information and began tailoring the plan to my specific airplane. Added specific comments on what I want to add/expand in many areas. 4. Added an appendix on Flight Manual preparation. (this may have been in version 6, I'm not sure) 5. Added "skips" or "land-backs" to high speed taxi tests. I think those are the big things, it's been six months since the last update. If anyone actually downloads this thing and reads it, please send me some feedback. Right now I'm focussing on developing the specific plan for my particular airplane, but when I'm through with my testing I want to rework it to be used as a reference or template for other folks to modify for their own airplanes. Any comments or questions early on in the development make changes easier. Thanks for your help! Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 00:52:17 -0800 From: "parley t. byington" Subject: Re: KR: Nylaflow brake lines Nylon flow is not worth the trouble. I just replaced my lines with steel brake lines from an auto shop, after I bumped one of the lines and it broke like a dried up twig. I decided that my long hours and money that I had put into my bird was not worth a inadvertent ground loop or lose of brakes due to a cheap set of brake lines. The nylon flow lines had been on for about two years. Ken Mintz's Vari Eze (N86KM) has also had problems with nylon flow lines breaking. For what its worth. Parley Byington (N54PB) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 01:12:56 -0800 From: "parley t. byington" Subject: Re: KR: Glass fuel tank? Dana I built my tank out of glass and installed my own capacitive type fuel gauge. The circuit is easy to make and the capcitive sensor doubles for a baffle inside the tank. Best of all the whole gauge costs less than $30.00. Mine is very accurrate and has a lot of resolution, I can measure fuel in .5 gallon increments. Let me know if you are interested. Regards Parley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 23:55:40 -0800 From: "Martin Mulvey" Subject: KR: Re: Insurance - There is a way I agree!! As a Tech Counselor, I agree that periodic inspections are a great help to us all. Our efforts are appreciated by Insurance Companys and the FAA. I also believe that "type" training is important as we all are getting into something "new" and are becoming automatic test pilots. Some of us really do not have the experience and should avail ourselves to all reasouces avalible. Thanks Rick for the footwork. Guys, please talk to one of us who would love to help you finish it properly and safely. VBRGDS Marty - -----Original Message----- From: EagleGator To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: 30 December, 1997 11:22 Subject: KR: Insurance - There is a way >I just spent about 30 minutes on the phone with Jim Nelson from Avemco. What >I found out was that the KR's are not the only airplanes that they won't >insure for hull and occupant liability, but there are some things that we can >do to reduce the risk to a level where they will issue the insurance we're >looking for. > >Here are the highlights of our conversation: > >1. The insurance company needs 200 - 300 airplanes of a given type insured >with them to spread the cost of the claims they have to pay. This could be >the beginning of the end of this issue, are there that many KR folks out there >that want the insurance? A survey is required here. > >2. They would require a formal inspection program for newly built airplanes. >This inspection would be conducted prior to any testing, and prior to the FAA >certification. The Glasair folks have a program like this in place, and >Avemco won't insure new Glasairs unless they have been inspected under this >program. > >3. Engines are a big issue. One of the biggest problems Jim cited with the >KR's is that people were putting unmodified VW engines on their airplanes and >they were failing (big suprise). He would require some type of inspection of >the engine installation to verify that it was suitable for flight. He >mentioned that they had 3 Kitfoxes lost recently to engine failures -- all >three were running Subaru conversions. He wasn't sure what type conversions >they were, but when I mentioned Stratus and NSI, he said they sounded >familiar. He also stated that Revmaster engines have a good safety record, >but wasn't familiar with the Great Plains engines. This isn't an endorsement >of any given engine, but it gives you an idea of how the insurance company >sees things. > >3. Formal in-type pilot training and currency is a requirement. Again, there >are programs in place for the Glasair/Lancair types, both for new pilot >training and for annual proficiency checks, and pilots must have the training >to keep their insurance. > >There are also the standard considerations for pilot experience, time in a >tail dragger (the steps are 50, 100, 250, and 500 hours), time in high >performance airplanes, etc. that determine individual insurability and rates. >He said that hull insurance probably wouldn't be economical, as they only >value the KR at $6 - 8K, unless there were alot of folks (>200) to share the >cost. > >The question becomes is it worth the pain to put all this in place to get the >occupant liability and hull damage coverage, or is the non-occupant external >liability coverage adequate? Again, survey says...... > >Personally, I'd like to put these things in place, regardless of the insurance >situation. These kind of programs would be beneficial for all of us in the >long run. If there is enough interest (at least 20 people), I'll work to have >a complete program drafted and coordinated with Avemco and the EAA for >everyone to review at next year's gathering. If we go through with this, >perhaps we could pull more people and airplanes in for future gatherings to >get their annual refresher and build on the family. > >So, is anyone interested? > >Cheers, >Rick Junkin >EagleGator@aol.com >St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 01:59:19 -0800 From: "parley t. byington" Subject: Re: KR: props Tom I have a turbo charged 1835 VW. I installed a Aymar- Demuth 52X48 on my bird. I get 750 ft/min at 1000 lbs wt. I used a climb speed of 100 IAS for this figure. OAT was 50 deg. and preasure alt. was about 4000'. My top speed is 170 mph straight and level but I don't remember the rpm and manifold preasure exactly for this number. I plan on flying again 1/1/98 if your interested I will let you know the exact numbers. Regards Parley (N54PB) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 06:05:04 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Test Plan Update EagleGator wrote: >I just published the latest and (I think) greatest version of my test >plan to my web page. **Rick; Please re-post your page URL for those who don't have it! >5. Added "skips" or "land-backs" to high speed taxi tests. **The ultralight guys call these "crow-hops", which is really descriptive. You never leave ground effect, but do get a little feel for controls mixed in with taxi. Best with plenty of runway. Thanks Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 06:12:25 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Glass fuel tank? Parley wrote: >I built my tank out of glass and installed my own capacitive type fuel >gauge. The circuit is easy to make and the capcitive sensor doubles >for a baffle inside the tank. Best of all the whole gauge costs less >than $30.00. Mine is very accurrate and has a lot of resolution, I can >measure fuel in .5 gallon increments. > There is more info and a complete how-to available on this do-it-yourself capacitative gauge at RST's site. Sorry; I don't remember the URL, but search on RST or Radio Systems Technology. Oscar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 08:20:39 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: Nylaflow brake lines At 00:52 12/30/97 -0800, you wrote: >Nylon flow is not worth the trouble. > >I just replaced my lines with steel brake lines from an auto shop... >Parley Byington (N54PB) > It's hard to think of a more valuable investment of several ounces - maybe only locknuts on the engine mount qualify? brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 09:05:02 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR: Huntsville Gathering III Ken, Sounds good! I'm interested in finding out how your Type 4 adventures are going. I've got my old 1700cc bus motor out and ready for the rebuild. Still toying with the shaft idea. I'm definitely doing it. Have done a little analysis on the shaft and it is certainly do-able without a damper. Trying to decide if I want to go whole hog and design a housing or just buy Bennett's. Hope to see you in a few weeks. If you can't make it, what would you think if we came to see you (if you were around)? Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 09:31:31 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: NLF fuselage changes Timothy J. Anderson wrote: > plane) do I go ahead and start the "boat" or should I wait until more > detailed anlaysis of the wing determines optimum span, cord, incidence, > washout, etc. What effects with these have on the construction of the > fuslage? Go ahead and start your boat. I just wouldn't glue in the two uprights that girdle both sides of the main spar (or the diagonals that lead to them). That way you can slide them around and put them wherever they need to go, at whatever width they need to be. You could probably get away with building the uprights in their stock location and width, but you'd have to pay for your indiscretion later by making your spars heavier to get strong enough structure. My side trusses are per plans, but I sure wish I could have widened the gap between the main spar uprights about 5/16 or so. That would have been trivial, had I not also glues in the plywood gussets on the inside of the fuselage. Since the spar material that Wicks sends is wider than it needs to be (so you can rip it to proper dimension, I guess) I could have made a more efficient spar by making it wider. As it was, I had to increase the height of my spar caps toward the inside of the spar, by far the least efficient area to add material. We're not sure what the new airfoil will dictate. And since Selig knows exactly what he's doing, I'd put my spars exactly where he says to put them. It may be that the 25% chord location that they now occupy may not be the perfect place. With the complete anaylsis planned, I'm confident that whatever he says it where it out to go. I don't expect major differences in the new one from the NLF(1)-0115, and that's a good thing since my main spars are already sized and contoured to perfectly match it. My outer spars are built, but I (fortunately) haven't had a chance to cut them down to size and contour yet, so I'll wait on the new one before I do. Build your boat and leave those two (and maybe even the aft) spar verticals floating until we know more about the optimum spar structure of the new wing. CG will be fixed by the engine location when the plane is almost complete. Small differences in engine location will make large differences in CG location. >Bill Langford's project is just about what I have invisioned for my >project, except I'd like to widen it slightly more than he did. Yep, Bill was an idiot for not widening it about two more inches... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 09:42:49 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: NLF templates Would have been nice to know that earlier! I could have made a little more effort. I contributed with caution concerned what the end result might not be. John F Esch Salem, OR http://www.cyberis.net/~sesch Mark Langford wrote: > Oh, I forgot to mention that everybody who contributed $100 or more > towards > the wind tunnel project will get them for free... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > email at langford@hiwaay.net > KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 12:49:26 EST From: EagleGator Subject: Re: KR: Test Plan Update In a message dated 98-01-01 09:06:45 EST, you write: << **Rick; Please re-post your page URL for those who don't have it! >> Ooops. http://members.aol.com/eaglegator Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 13:39:08 EST From: Willard561 Subject: Re: KR: Wind tunnel I remeber a article in Experimenter that discribed a home made wind tunnel that used a large Grain drying fan assy driven by a 350 chevy with a auto transmission. I dont remeber the issue it was in. But it was larger than most home brew wind tunnels. Bill Higdon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 18:50:13 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: Test Plan Update On Thu, 01 Jan 1998 06:05:04 PST, you wrote: > >**Rick; Please re-post your page URL for those who don't have it! > > >Thanks > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Here you go Oscar: http://members.aol.com/eaglegator/index.html Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S=20 KR-2SBuilder@bigfoot.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 11:38:55 -0500 From: george bell Subject: Re: KR: Test Plan Update This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------D5E6FC6BDA1B2A88CA81E8D5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is your web page address? George Bell EagleGator wrote: > I just published the latest and (I think) greatest version of my test plan to > my web page. Major changes in version 7: > > Cheers, > Rick Junkin > EagleGator@aol.com > St. Charles MO - --------------D5E6FC6BDA1B2A88CA81E8D5 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for George P. Bell Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: George P. Bell n: Bell;George P. email;internet: gpbell@pacbell.net x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard - --------------D5E6FC6BDA1B2A88CA81E8D5-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:58:02 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: Wind tunnel At 13:39 1/1/98 EST, you wrote: >I remember a article in Experimenter that discribed a home made >wind tunnel that >used a large Grain drying fan assy driven by a 350 chevy with a auto >transmission. >I dont remember the issue it was in. But it was larger than most > home brew wind tunnels. >Bill Higdon Now that's what I call picking up a thread and RUNNING with it! brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:19:43 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR: NLF templates John Esch wrote: > Would have been nice to know that earlier! I could have made a little > more effort. I contributed with caution concerned what the end result > might not be. John, I'll send everybody that's contributed so far a set of templates. I just didn't want a stampede of $5 contributors lining up to get free templates. The $100 limit goes for future donors. It's the lazy jerk in me coming out... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford - ---------- > From: John F. Esch > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: NLF templates > Date: Thursday, January 01, 1998 11:42 AM > > Would have been nice to know that earlier! I could have made a little > more effort. I contributed with caution concerned what the end result > might not be. > > John F Esch > Salem, OR > http://www.cyberis.net/~sesch > > > Mark Langford wrote: > > > Oh, I forgot to mention that everybody who contributed $100 or more > > towards > > the wind tunnel project will get them for free... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > email at langford@hiwaay.net > > KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 17:56:50 EST From: BSHADR Subject: Re: KR: NLF templates In a message dated 98-01-01 17:16:35 EST, Bill...errrr, I mean Mark wrote: << I'll send everybody that's contributed so far a set of templates. I just didn't want a stampede of $5 contributors lining up to get free templates. The $100 limit goes for future donors. It's the lazy jerk in me coming out... >> Mark: You should figure what the paper, packaging and shipping total is and let me know. I would like to limit your "out of airplane construction budget" costs for anything I get for my investment in the NLF Project. Steve - Please keep us posted on the NLF Project costs too. I, for one, would like to be sure you don't end up holding the bag on any of this. Your time and efforts to date have been huge. I would like to be sure you are covered for the expenses. Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 18:32:47 EST From: EagleGator Subject: KR: Condition Inspection Checklist I've uploaded an inspection checklist to my web page, you have to enter http://members.aol.com/eaglegator/condchk.doc to download it (i.e. there's no link to it from the page). It's verbatim from AC-90-89A, but in Word 2.0 format so that I can easily edit it. Could some of the tech counselors on the list please take a look at this checklist and offer any additional things we need to be looking at? This checklist will be an appendix to my test plan, but can also be the basis for our inspection/training program if it gets started. If you need a format other than Word, please let me know. Thanks for your help! Cheers! Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 19:20:59, -0500 From: YCGB97A@prodigy.com (MR JEAN R VERON) Subject: Re: KR: Glass fuel tank? I am interested in your capacitive type fuel gauge as i am concidering getting rid of the header tank. Jean N4DD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:51:03 EST From: TANDEM2 Subject: Re: KR: NLF fuselage changes ya, wish bill was better at what he does, he can be real dumb about things ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:44:09 -0600 From: kencor@cneti.com (Ken Cornelius) Subject: Re: KR: Huntsville Gathering III >Ken, > >Sounds good! I'm interested in finding out how your Type 4 adventures are >going. I've got my old 1700cc bus motor out and ready for the rebuild. >Still toying with the shaft idea. I'm definitely doing it. Have done a >little analysis on the shaft and it is certainly do-able without a damper. >Trying to decide if I want to go whole hog and design a housing or just buy >Bennett's. Hope to see you in a few weeks. If you can't make it, what >would you think if we came to see you (if you were around)? > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >email at langford@hiwaay.net >KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > >- > > Mark, Sounds like a good plan to me. As far as the Type 4. I'm waiting on Bennett's housing to become available because I have 2 - 78mm cranks. I have a 1700 with factory duel carbs out of a bus that I'd like to build. Not to use the carbs but with it not being fuel injected it is less likely, according to my sources, of having a lot of wear. If that don't pan out I've got 3 - 2ltr Type 4's that I can build with hopefully at least one good 71mm crank. I can go either way since I've already built my engine mount using a Diehl accesory case, got the mag, starter, alt., but a few more horsepower and a 40 amp alt. is reason enough to build a new mount. Now if I could just spend a little time at home ... Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 22:05:48 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Who's who For ya'lls information: - ---------- From: Majordomo@teleport.com To: langford@hiwaay.net Subject: Majordomo results Date: Thursday, January 01, 1998 4:12 PM - -- >>>> who krnet-l Members of list 'krnet-l': mathewrz@iafrica.com MikeTnyc@aol.com ssagaser@ndsuext.nodak.edu jsmolen@umich.edu BSHADR@aol.com ICBM@ix.netcom.com gpbell@pacbell.net Abby88@aol.com tomc@afn.org itac@datasync.com Wildfill@aol.com larryfle@midwest.net EagleGator@aol.com cruising@nternet.net MR.MARVIN@worldnet.att.net smithr@wadsworth.org bvermeul@concentric.net ronlee@pcisys.net cptlee@castles.com Horn2004@aol.com LVav8r@aol.com a0009415@airmail.net rellington@ou.edu tomstokes@worldnet.att.net bmuse@mindspring.com KR2616TJ@aol.com johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net mbroaddu@indy.net kencor@cneti.com henning@cs.uregina.ca bbland@busprod.com langford@hiwaay.net tbrown@pcpros.net john.kuehl@continet.com enewbold@sprynet.com larryd@cet.com roybennett@prodigy.com DeGangeJ@aol.com chuck@kronites.kronos.com parley@anv.net JEHayward@aol.com Elcolorado@aol.com zeus.wier.net ljacks@codenet.net lpalani@pop.jaring.my jfdewet@intekom.co.za 19don26@castles.com cary@storm.ca bmsi@ix.netcom.com ejanssen@chipsnet.com donreid@erols.com lau@mda.ca dragonridge@earthlink.net mistic@vci.net dambrose@ican.net LEESTAN-4@worldnet.att.net skylite@ime.net welteh@aol.com mikec@admin1.southga.tec.ga.us taom@randomc.com KRkip@aol.com rick@datasync.com krwr1@aol.com rmacdon@sprintlabs.com TANDEM2@aol.com mouse@heiwa.com tzt@mail.stclaire.com adoherty@mbnet.mb.ca kernel@citrus.infi.net kencombs@onramp.net jeb@thuntek.net rahuman@swbell.net cartera@cuug.ab.ca jcricks@mindspring.com sportplanes@worldnet.att.net hlwelte@www.vornet.com patri63@ibm.net stevemn@usaor.net t48715@twobit.dehavilland.ca ejrem@worldnet.att.net imort@webtv.net trenton@bga.com blankdg@mail2.theonramp.net rcannoles@hotmail.com redbaronflyrs@centuryinter.net sketch013@worldnet.att.net N911TB@aol.com derstl@primary.net khersh@dtc.net unal.turkal@fornet.net.tr frouwsl@eskom.co.za stampest@wwwinc.com ahawkins@axionet.com steen8751a@aol.com tjohnson@wyle.com kafarn@ionet.net a.pecorara@telecomitalia.it newtech@newtech.com mend.pereira@mail.telepac.pt flyer@clas.net PhilKR2s@aol.com davinick2@aol.com ashadow@voyager.net taildrags@hotmail.com mikemims@pacbell.net kimkroes@novagate.com rmccall@oz.oz-online.net tomstokes1@juno.com ELLINGTO@gslan.offsys.ou.edu KR2SMM@msn.com willard561@aol.com pierce@pat.lgb.cal.boeing.com jeroffey@tir.com rhevans@axionet.com rmccall@oz-online.net king@itis.com turnkey1@mscomm.com rlbarfield-richmond@worldnet.att.net hjfine@wave.net rob.burns@kanatek.ca abacus@tn.co.za eclarsen81@aol.com steveb@aviation.denel.co.za carlos-r-martinez-dayton@juno.com michele.bucceri@italtel.it esko.lempola.icl.fi prak@skynet.be inet@intellisys.net r5t0ut@flash.net pleonard@gil.com.au flykr2@aol.com ldeckert@aol.com Pastor_Richard_Moll@juno.com Franciscoeiza@evnet.satlink.net t88@primenet.com brucetoscano@sprintmail.com m004qz00@mcmail.com jsellars@auracom.com leperkins@juno.com flyfaster1@juno.com ahughlett@aol.com dave@qualivision.demon.co.uk amoen@upham.ndak.net mporadun@nas.com Bob.Bryenton@MedLib.com gpasc@earthlink.net r.h.mole@open.ac.uk haroldp@sympatico.ca dfleeger@erols.com hlwelte@vornet.com dboll@newburg.ndak.net rdewees@juno.com rossy@teleport.com mustang@pcaxxess.net dboll@ndak.net esko.lempola@icl.fi HPMTU@SWMAIL.SW.ORG kr2smm@email.msn.com DC4FREE@aol.com tomkr2s@worldnet.att.net pzman@wctc.net michael@access1.net kr2dream@aol.com phudson@iwvisp.com YCGB97A@prodigy.com msharkey@softarc.com cwcrane@airmail.net mrharisn@sprynet.com jrcasey@mindspring.com qba321tm@airmail.net natdnc@mail.usmo.com ghstafford@juno.com mark.wrona@cas.honeywell.com mscott@wlgore.com gwoodbridge@datatimes.com diazc@zodiac.nov.hfbr.bnl.gov robert.johnson1@ipaper.com flying@videotron.ca sgarner@compu-share.com peter@computronix.com tinker@state.net hopslot@iafrica.com tanderso@inreach.com rob@nvlawyers.com richontheroad@hotmail.com kingfish60@hotmail.com chitl@southwind.net KenikaS@aol.com jesch@cyberis.net gin.ed@virgin.net Konan@mail.vsu.edu RFreibe131@aol.com markscott@erols.com clauter295@aol.com jaugilas@allways.net darbytl@aristotle.net MECH105@aol.com sarce@tri-lakes.net doug.dorfmeier@worldnet.att.net 199 subscribers Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 22:49:21 EST From: BSHADR Subject: KR: NLF Template costs... NLFHeads: Mark Langford wrote me the following: <> Mark's free (to the NLF contributors) template offer could cost him in the range of $300 total. So, what I suggest the NLF contributors do is send Mark a snail mail note with a $20 bill inside and your return snail mail address. That way he can get everything ready and mail out the final templates to each of us when the time comes. Oh...Also kick in an extra buck so we all can pay for Steve's set. I think he has earned it. There are about 15 of us so this should Mark & Steve out a bit. Mark Langford KR 'R'' US 296 Taylor Denton Lane Harvest, AL 35749 Rev Randy Whine BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA PS - Sorry Junkman, I got a bag of guilt for Christmas and I'm trying to use some of it up before it spoils. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 23:05:11 EST From: JEHayward Subject: Re: KR: props In a message dated 98-01-01 05:07:38 EST, you write: << I have a turbo charged 1835 VW. I installed a Aymar- Demuth 52X48 on my bird. I get 750 ft/min at 1000 lbs wt. I used a climb speed of 100 IAS for this figure. My top speed is 170 mph straight and level. I plan on flying again 1/1/98 if your interested I will let you know the exact numbers. Regards Parley >> Please do... I'm sure a lot of us would be interested. Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 21:31:36 -0700 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: NLF Template costs...(no archive) This sounds reasonable. NO way should Mark have to foot the bill for mailing templates. Money donated so far...still not enough...has to pay for the cost of materials and wind tunnel costs. I suspect the FREE aspect is no additional charge to recover R&D costs of the KR Skunk Factory wrt the NLF airfoil. I may not need templates so don't make a set for me at this time. However, if I elect to get a set, since I only donated $50, I will take just a right or left wing set of templates :) Ron Lee Question: Is anyone planning on definetely using this airfoil within a few months? Or are you still awaiting wind tunnel tests? Do you have a feel for the improvement of the NLF airfoil over the RAF 48? ><for mailing)>> > >Mark's free (to the NLF contributors) template offer could cost him in the >range of $300 total. So, what I suggest the NLF contributors do is send Mark >a snail mail note with a $20 bill inside and your return snail mail address. >That way he can get everything ready and mail out the final templates to each >of us when the time comes. > >Oh...Also kick in an extra buck so we all can pay for Steve's set. I think he >has earned it. There are about 15 of us so this should Mark & Steve out a >bit. > >Mark Langford >KR 'R'' US >296 Taylor Denton Lane >Harvest, AL 35749 > > > >Rev Randy Whine >BSHADR@aol.com >Soviet Monica, CA > >PS - Sorry Junkman, I got a bag of guilt for Christmas and I'm trying to use >some of it up before it spoils. > > ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V1 #204 *****************************