From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, February 02, 1998 9:49 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #30 krnet-l-digest Monday, February 2 1998 Volume 02 : Number 030 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:05:28 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Progress, Ross? Ross wrote: >I have some real strange double exposures of my >daughter and her boyfriend on the Oregon coast, or inside the back of >a KR Hey, Ross- I don't think we want to see the pictures of your daughter and her boyfriend inside the back of a KR. ;-) Oscar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:24:48 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: [Fwd: KR-2 project for sale in Colorado] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------3910303EE1008A5119C78DEA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got this off the rec.aviation.homebuilt newsgroup - -- Ross - --------------3910303EE1008A5119C78DEA Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline From: calvingeorge@usa.net Subject: KR-2 project for sale in Colorado Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:51:39 -0600 Message-ID: <884727665.1681326084@dejanews.com> Newsgroups: rec.aviation.homebuilt Organization: Deja News Posting Service Path: news.teleport.com!nntp.teleport.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.207.0.25!nntp.texas.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jan 13 21:41:05 1998 GMT X-Authenticated-Sender: calvingeorge@usa.net X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Originating-IP-Addr: 153.35.203.190 (1Cust62.max2.denver.co.ms.uu.net) Xref: news.teleport.com rec.aviation.homebuilt:67818 KR-2 KITPLANE FOR SALE Very popular two-seater kitplane. 60% completed. Excellent workmanship. Has two upgrades: Manually retractable landing gear, and a linkage system for the controls that makes cables obsolete. Cruise 180 MPH on 4 GPH! Rand Robinson Inc. sells the basic kit for $6,300. Sacrifice at $3,950 or best offer. Needs engine and instruments. Located in Denver, Colorado. Call Calvin at (303) 738- 1293 (home) or (303) 274-1389 (work). E-mail: calvingeorge@usa.net - -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet - --------------3910303EE1008A5119C78DEA-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:31:01 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: [Fwd: KR-2 project forsale] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------EC76D38212EF535F5B90F788 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another KR from rec.aviation.homebuilt. - --------------EC76D38212EF535F5B90F788 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Path: news.teleport.com!nntp.teleport.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Konan@mail.vsu.edu (Konan) Newsgroups: rec.aviation.homebuilt Subject: KR-2 project forsale Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:38:37 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <6adn04$qm5@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.160.233 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: news.teleport.com rec.aviation.homebuilt:68351 Email address: Konan@mail.vsu.edu Fuselage (boat) and center spars completed and on landing gear. Rudder, stabilizer and elevator completed and glassed. Canopy and canopy frame, turtledeck,fuel tank, front deck and cowling all Rand Robinson prefab. Wheels, brakes, tires, control stick installed. Hardware, fiberglass cloth, and all wood necessary to complete. Will need to buy foam for wings and epoxy. Located central Virginia. $2200.00 - --------------EC76D38212EF535F5B90F788-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:46:44 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Testpilot Website A nifty test pilot website at:. http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/volstads/testpilot.shtml - --- Regards Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 06:51:28 From: Austin Clark Subject: Re: KR: Progress, Jan. 98 At 17:43 1/31/98 -0800, you wrote: >Austin, > A terrific Website! > I will try and include your site into krnet.org next time I update it. I need >to >be better orginized. I appriciate your efforts to include the links that you >have >on your site. Also particulary like your reference to Mark Langfords History >of the KR. Thanks Ross, You do a great job with KRnet! Just put your time into finishing that bird and let's go flying! Austin Clark Pascagoula, MS http://www.datasync.com/~itac/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 09:47:10 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: Time "on" type. This is reeeeaaaallllyyyy off the subject but for all you newbies out there, if you are wondering how we are keeping track of time spent on building, try this it's worked for me. Go to your local farm supply and buy a Hobbs meter. The ones we use in aircraft are the same ones they use in tractors, we just pay more. Wire this up using a single throw switch through a AC/DC converter. I also stuck in an inner marker indicator light that I had so that I would know when it was on. Whenever you head into, or out of, the garage, shop or whatever, throw the switch. Depending on which meter you buy, you will be able to record up to at least 9999.9 hrs, which is about what I feel like I have sometimes. I know, I know, it's not really a builders tip, but it is amazing what you will think of while you wait on glue or resin to setup, you'll see. On the homestretch and sprinting for the finish line. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 10:01:22 EST From: CHolder280@aol.com Subject: KR: new builder Hello everyone, I'm a new builder just getting started building on a project that was started years ago by someone else. It is a KR2. I was told that the previous builder was an A&P but I don't know for sure, I haven't contacted him. The boat stage looks really well,with the wood joints looking sound and well made. The builder developed a problem with epoxy rash and allergy. The wing stubs and outer wing panels have been glassed but I think I will redo these. I don't believe he contured the spars and there is a small valley just before the front of the spar, it looks like the rear top edge of the front spar is slightly higher. The outer panels have fuel tanks installed but there has been no provisions for position light wiring. Also this kit has the retractable gear wells cut out and I think I like the conventional landing gear better. I realize that this will require a lot of work but I believe I'll be more satisfied with the end result. I'm also considering the premolded wing skins I've purchased a Mossler engine a friend of mind found for me . It is new and has never been run. I look forward to interacting with other builders and I am glad that krnet exist. Advice from others is surely welcome Thanks in advance Chuck cholder280@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 11:25:04 EST From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: FWD from Steve Bennett (ALTERNATORS) In a message dated 98-01-30 02:32:37 EST, you write: >>I don't condiser the Suzuki or Chevy Sprint alternator to be a Small >>alternator. The only small one is made for Kubota Ind. engines, it >>outputs 14 amps, belt driven field pulse type alternator like we >>currently use and is only about 4.5 inches in dia. Steve >> > >Well for the first time I think I have to disagree with Steve. The small ND >alternator that can be seen at: > >ftp://ftp.pilgrimhouse.com/pub/DropBox/StartersAlternators%26Pulleys/MiniNDA >lt.jpg > >IS VERY small! More information below. > >Nippon-Denso "Mini" > Capacity: 40A > Weight: 6# even > with v-pulley ... NO Lester# at the moment, N-D OEM prod. > ND OEM Part #'s: (directly off the ND label) > 887251 > 101211-1020 >Source & contact information: > e-mail: garfield@pilgrimhouse.com >$Expect > $175 no core charge. Completely and utterly brand new. I think we're just having a semantics problem over the word "small." The alternator Bennett sells weighs 3.7 pounds, including rotor, stator and bolts for the flywheel (assuming you're going to have one anyway). Compared to that, the 6 lb Nippondenso alternator is a cow, and I don't think that weight includes the mount, the pulleys or the belt. If you need the power, the greater weight is worth it, but if you don't and can afford the price, the Great Plains alternator may be the lightest one of all. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 11:25:00 EST From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: glassing foam In a message dated 98-01-29 23:19:31 EST, you write: >>>> The theory would be if the only purpose of the first coating is to seal >the foam from soaking up epoxy, you might as well seal it with something >lighter than epoxy.>>> > >I think something a few of us are missing is the fact that the micro slurry >(micro balloons and epoxy) and fiberglass skin are by design,.. supposed to >be one component,...that is the slurry that is applied to the foam is one >part with the glass. This gives it a little bit of peel strength. I think >filling the foam with anything other than slurry made with epoxy (the same >kind used to wetout the glass) and or letting it cure before you apply glass >is asking for trouble. There are cases where delaminations have occured >because different brands of epoxy were used in between layups much less >Elmers Glue! I don't think delamination between layups of glass is really relevant to the question of sealing the raw foam. However you glass it, you're going to have some epoxy soaking into the structural matrix of the foam. This will form a strong bond between foam and epoxy, but will also cause excess weight. I think the point of using micro, glue, or whatever is to keep that soaking to manageable levels so you don't get too much extra weight. Just for the record, the original recommendation in the Newsletter was for "waterproof glue" not Elmer's glue, and the guy was an A&P who I think did peel tests before using the result. I would certainly do the same, but if I try a test piece and preparing the foam with glue cuts down on weight without hurting peel strength, what's the problem? Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 08:25:41 -0700 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Finish Line. >On the homestretch and sprinting for the finish line. > >Dana Overall Dana, do you expect to fly your KR to the 98 KRKosh? It looks like Ross may. Who currently building expects to be there in their brand new flying machine? Ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 13:04:16 EST From: MikeTnyc@AOL.COM Subject: Re: KR: Hand Prop with a Hook In a message dated 98-01-30 20:50:32 EST, you write: > > On other airplanes I have owned, I installed a (reduced size) Sailplane >hook. >This is a little link you swivel over a hook so that you can TIE the tail >securely. Then, when you're done proping and warming up and etcetra, you >pull >a release which opens the hook. It just flops open, and you reset it the >next >time you fly.On a Cassutt I built that had engine problems, the effort was >more than repaid by the convenience. > This is a very simple, light device that's really easy to include while >you're building, and will pay for itself before you've finished ground run- >ins. It will greatly enhance safety (especially every time you leave the >switch on and drain the battery). Wouldn't happen to you, right? I saw a neat trick in the Newsletter that can be used on any plane and costs almost nothing. It consists of a length of rope or nylon webbing with a loop made in each end. You put the webbing through the tiedown ring in the tail (or around the tailwheel) and the ground attachment you're using, then put one loop into the other and insert a wooden dowel to keep it from pulling out again. You have a cord from the cockpit to the dowel so after the engine starts and you're in the plane, you can release the tiedown by pulling the dowel out. The real trick is that a further length of cord goes from the dowel to the webbing itself, so after you're in the plane, the initial tug on the cord pulls the dowel out and continued pulling will get the cord, webbing and dowel into the cockpit, so nothing is left behind. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 18:59:30 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Finish Line. In a message dated 98-02-01 15:36:45 EST, you write: << On the homestretch and sprinting for the finish line. > >Dana Overall Dana, do you expect to fly your KR to the 98 KRKosh? It looks like Ross may. Who currently building expects to be there in their brand new flying machine? Ron >> Ron, Yes I do expect to be flying by the next PerryKosh. Depending on the number of hours I have on 616tj, I'll either fly in or trailor it in, one of the two. I will be posting additional construction pictures, primarily engine rebuild as my case should arrive from Rimco Monday morning. I wired my radio and intercom up today (Sunday) using all two and three conductor shielded wire. Boy, the Eagles sound really good on the CD player, yes I've got a panel mount intercom with stereo aux. input, why waste that jack. I plan on having all the mechanical stuff done before good weather hits and then finish up the minor glass work. By the way Ron, I sent that rubber out to you Friday. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 22:36:34 -0500 From: Dennis Ambrose Subject: Re: KR: Cabin heat At 09:32 PM 1/26/98 -0600, you wrote: > >VW makes a nifty little plastic valve for their heater coolant that is >set up for a push-pull control. > (snip) > >Paul Eberhardt Why take a chance on a plastic valve when you can scrounge a metal one off any Chrysler with air? Some are vacumn operated and others (older?) are cable operated. Regards Dennis (in Toronto) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:02:49 -0500 (EST) From: jeroffey@tir.com (jeroffey) Subject: KR: My "progress" report Table up and running, sides all layed out and blocked, cutting and gluing wood, having a ball!!!!! John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:06:38 -0500 (EST) From: jeroffey@tir.com (jeroffey) Subject: KR: new builder Welcome Chuck, enjoy the expertise and the camaraderie of the best builders in the homebuilding world. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 00:29:20 EST From: leperkins@juno.com (Lloyd Perkins,Jr.) Subject: KR: HELP!!!! Gentlemen, I have joined the ranks of the Elite I am a KR owner. I tucked N28AK safley to bed in my garage just minutes ago..... I am happy to report that father and new airplane are doing well..... BUT now comes the dificult part. Does anyone have a set of plans I can copy as well as a builders book ????? I want to see how everything is supposed to be done , so that I can stick as close as I can to the intended product. Or should I buy a set from Rand????? Thanks, Lloyd _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 21:58:00 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Time "on" type. Hey Dana, Thats a really GREAT idea. Hmmm.. Oh well, It's too late for me I've lost track of my hours at about 1100. -- Ross KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > > This is reeeeaaaallllyyyy off the subject but for all you newbies out there, > if you are wondering how we are keeping track of time spent on building, try > this it's worked for me. Go to your local farm supply and buy a Hobbs meter. > The ones we use in aircraft are the same ones they use in tractors, we just > pay more. Wire this up using a single throw switch through a AC/DC converter. > I also stuck in an inner marker indicator light that I had so that I would > know when it was on. Whenever you head into, or out of, the garage, shop or > whatever, throw the switch. Depending on which meter you buy, you will be > able to record up to at least 9999.9 hrs, which is about what I feel like I > have sometimes. I know, I know, it's not really a builders tip, but it is > amazing what you will think of while you wait on glue or resin to setup, > you'll see. > > On the homestretch and sprinting for the finish line. > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 22:02:26 -0800 From: Ross Subject: Re: KR: Finish Line. I'm slaving over mine to get ready for the VFR weather that is supposed to happen here in Oregon in the summer. I'm thinking of taking some 4 day weekends to get some taildragger and unusual attitude training in Feb down in Phoenix. This should get me primed... I worked on the carb heat box today. Built two, I just came in after fussing with the linkage. Grrr. It's always somthing. I've still got a long to-do list, but I'm anxious to hear my engine crank up to life. I think I will tape it and put some real-audio on my website by the end of the summer. -- Regards Ross Ron Lee wrote: > > >On the homestretch and sprinting for the finish line. > > > >Dana Overall > > Dana, do you expect to fly your KR to the 98 KRKosh? It looks > like Ross may. Who currently building expects to be there in > their brand new flying machine? > > Ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 11:51:50 ÿÿÿ From: steveb@aviation.denel.co.za Subject: KR: mlg Posn Hi KRNetters I have sent this mail before, but I received a message that it was undelivered. So I am sending it again. Rego, through Mark, asked for the main wheel axle position from the forward face of the main spar. Marvin said that his were 6and 1/2" behind the front of the main spar. I have been giving this some real serious thought and I still have a number of unanswered questions. Maybe somebody can set me right here. The manual (if correct) recommends operating the CG between 8" and 16" aft of the root leading edge. Personally I prefer 30% chord which is 14" aft of the LE. With a tricycle configuration, the main wheels should be behind the aft CG when the aircraft is pitched at (angle of attack related to 0.9Cl) plus 3 degrees. Ref The Design of the Aeroplane by Darrol Stinton. From various data sources on the RAF48 wing, lets call this angle 15 degrees. If I were to assume the CG to be 3" above the top of the main spar and the vertical height from the CG posn to the axle is 24.5". Furthermore a prop clearance of 7" on a 52" prop. Then, simple trig would show me that the axle should be more like 10" behind the forward face of the main spar. Placing the axle at 6 and1/2" behind the fwd face of the main spar, translates to the CG being at 22% chord. This is the mean of the 15% and 30% chord. I get the impression that the 6 and 1/2 " would set the axle infront of the aft CG posn. My initial conclusion therefore is that you would not be able to execute a full stall attitude landing. However, I heard something about angular inertia forces as a result of the momentum of the aircraft and the arm from the axle to the cg position. Is this maybe where the wheels fell off (so to speak) If this angular inertia forces should be brought into consideration; does anybody have a publication reference for me. I can only see all sorts of complicated factors such as induced drag as a result of spin up forces on the wheel having to be quantified. Any comments on the subject?? Steve in South Africa steveb@aviation.denel.co.za ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 05:35:32 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: boat framing John wrote: >Table up and running, sides all layed out and blocked, cutting and gluing >wood, having a ball!!!!! Hi, John... and Esch, too: Are you using Mark Lougheed's templates, or are you going for plans-built 'banana boat'? Do you plan to skin the sides first, then bend, or bend the sides then skin? Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 05:57:11 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: ChinoKosh & composite workshop Hello, Netters; I don't remember when the ChinoKosh AKA CalKosh AKA FricknFrack is supposed to happen, but I noticed in Sport Aviation that there is going to be a composite workshop at Chino on Feb. 21, so if that's the date for the left coast confab, maybe interested persons could attend the workshop too, if time doesn't conflict. Info available in Sport Aviation, or e-mail me privately and I'll dig up the ad. Seems like it is put on by "Air Sports" or something like that. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 06:32:57 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: boat framing Oscar Table done up as per plans and will skin the cat with the bones in it. John F. Esch Oscar Zuniga wrote: > John wrote: > >Table up and running, sides all layed out and blocked, cutting and > gluing > >wood, having a ball!!!!! > > Hi, John... and Esch, too: > > Are you using Mark Lougheed's templates, or are you going for > plans-built 'banana boat'? Do you plan to skin the sides first, then > bend, or bend the sides then skin? > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:03:54 -0600 From: sarce@tri-lakes.net Subject: KR: Hapi info I am looking for info on the Hapi 60 hp engine. Would like to know the TBO, reliability, fuel type, and any other pertinent information you can provide. Thanks, Bob Sarcione SW Missouri ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 09:22:47 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: mlg Posn At 11:51 1/27/98, Steve B wrote: >...the main wheel axle position from the forward face of the main spar. Marvin said that his were 6and 1/2" behind the front of the main spar.... >The manual (if correct) recommends operating the CG between 8" and 16" aft of the root leading edge. Personally I prefer 30% chord which is 14" aft of the LE. With a tricycle configuration, the main wheels should be behind the aft CG when the aircraft is pitched at (angle of attack related to 0.9Cl) plus 3 degrees. Ref The Design of the Aeroplane by Darrol Stinton. From various data sources on the RAF48 wing, lets call this angle 15 degrees. If I were to assume the CG to be 3" above the top of the main spar and the vertical height from the CG posn to the axle is 24.5". Furthermore a prop clearance of 7" on a 52" prop. Then, simple trig would show me that the axle should be more like 10" behind the forward face of the main spar. > >Placing the axle at 6 and1/2" behind the fwd face of the main spar, translates to the CG being at 22% chord. This is the mean of the 15% and 30% chord. > >I get the impression that the 6 and 1/2 " would set the axle infront of the aft CG posn. My initial conclusion therefore is that you would not be able to execute a full stall attitude landing. >... >Steve in South Africa >steveb@aviation.denel.co.za I drew a cross section of the main spar. I drew a vertical line up from its front surface to 3 inches above the top of the spar. I marked this "Steve's CG" From Steve's CG I drew a horizontal line 10 inches backwards. From this point I drew a vertical line down 24.5 inches. I marked this lowest point, "Steve's axle". I see I have an inverted triangle whose 'base' is 10 inches and whose height is 24.5 inches. The angle at the bottom apex is 22.2 degrees. I now draw a point 6.5 inches horizontally back from Steve's CG. And I draw a vertical line down 24.5 inches from this point. I mark this bottom point "Marvin's axle" I see that the angle at the bottom apex is 14.9 degrees. I therefore conclude that either Steve or I screwed up the trigonometry, and the only one to get off scot-free is Marvin! :-) Regards brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 12:25:01 -0500 From: smithr Subject: Re: KR: My wood has arrived John F. Esch wrote: > > Too all > > I received my wood from AS&S today 30Jan98. 3 weeks to the day of > ordering! Time to get busy cutting/glueing and to start asking > questions. Woo Hoo > > John F. Esch > Salem, OR > http://www.cyberis.net/~sesch I found it very handy in doing the fuse sides to work in sections. Put in the 2 verticals and let epoxy harden. Then put in the diagonals etc. Otherwise, everything slides around on you and you need about 5 hands. I did this mostly on commercials while watching television over about 2 weeks time. Disk sander is the hot setup to get the angles exact. After your fuse side frame is constructed, you may want to consider bending the frame before applying the plywood. I did it after, even applied water but it just didn't want to bend. The ply held it in a flat plane. Best of Luck to you! Bob Smith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 12:48:15 -0500 From: smithr Subject: KR: Pilots certificate I am writing this in case it might help somebody who is considering flight training. I think that I might be setting a worlds record for length of pilots training. After hearing many of you say you got a certificate in less than 50 hrs, I was discouraged when I was at 90 hours and still no certificate. I have my final flight test scheduled for wednesday and now have 125 flight hours at a cost of probably $7500. (Training in a 152). No wonder my KR progress is slow, I'm too broke to buy parts. I attribute this long training to a few things. 1) I am the first student to finish under my CFI. I think he is more nervous than I am. 2) Instead of flying twice a week, I stretched it out over 24 months with sometimes going 1 month without a lesson. 3) I found out at about 90 hours that communication between me and my CFI stunk. I thought my landings were good... He didn't but didn't really tell me. When I drifted 10 ft in a crosswind landing I thought it was OK but the chief CFI said the centerline had to stay within the wheels.4)my own stupidity (thought I'd put this in there before one of you do) I will say that my flying has greatly improved over the last 25 hours. By the way, I was flying (not landing) a KR2 at about 50 hrs. More fun than a 152. Bob Smith, Albany, NY. Love to fly. Slightly discouraged but end is in sight. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 11:37:12 -0500 From: jerry Subject: Re: KR: Hapi info Hi I have the hapi vw aero engine rebuild manual,i would be happy to share with you sarce@tri-lakes.net wrote: > I am looking for info on the Hapi 60 hp engine. Would like to know the TBO, > reliability, fuel type, and any other pertinent information you can provide. > Thanks, Bob Sarcione SW Missouri ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:25:06 EST From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Revmaster Prop for sale KRNetheads: FYI, this came across the quickie list. Enjoy... Randy Stein BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Subj: RE: Q-LIST: Propellers Date: 98-02-02 10:48:13 EST From: cash@littongcs.com (Cash, Gene) I have a brand new Cowley prop that was original equipment for the Revmaster. I will be using an O-200 so I can't use it. Any offers? Gene Cash ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 11:33:53 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: mlg Posn At 11:51 AM 1/27/98, you wrote: >>If this angular inertia forces should be brought into consideration; does >>anybody have a publication reference for me. I can only see all sorts of >>complicated factors such as induced drag as a result of spin up forces on the >>wheel having to be quantified. > >Any comments on the subject?? >Steve in South Africa >steveb@aviation.denel.co.za > > I think you maybe making to much of this and I would just mount it the way Dan says to mount it. It works great! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Oh my,... its 1998! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 11:36:27 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Hapi info At 09:03 AM 2/2/98 -0600, you wrote: >I am looking for info on the Hapi 60 hp engine. Would like to know the TBO, >reliability, fuel type, and any other pertinent information you can provide. >Thanks, Bob Sarcione SW Missouri > > Contact Mosler Motors or Viking Aircraft. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Oh my,... its 1998! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 14:50:09 -0500 From: Patrick Flowers Subject: Re: KR: Hapi info Micheal Mims wrote: > > At 09:03 AM 2/2/98 -0600, you wrote: > >I am looking for info on the Hapi 60 hp engine. Would like to know > >the TBO, reliability, fuel type, and any other pertinent information > >you can provide. > >Thanks, Bob Sarcione SW Missouri > > Contact Mosler Motors or Viking Aircraft. Mosler is no more. The sucessor company is TEC(Total Engine Concepts) in Florida. I think Mark Langford has contact info on his web page. I think they still own the rights to the HAPI line, but they've developed their own engine line and I'm not sure that they provide any support for the HAPI's. Patrick Taylor at Viking may be able to give you some information, since he was there. Patrick - -- Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:39:17 -0800 From: darrin Subject: Re: KR: HELP!!!! Lloyd Perkins,Jr. wrote: > > Gentlemen, > > I have joined the ranks of the Elite I am a KR owner. I tucked N28AK > safley to bed in my garage just minutes ago..... I am happy to report > that father and new airplane are doing well..... BUT now comes the > dificult part. Does anyone have a set of plans I can copy as well as a > builders book ????? I want to see how everything is supposed to be done , > so that I can stick as close as I can to the intended product. > Or should I buy a set from Rand????? > > Thanks, > Lloyd > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Lloyd, if you have a kr-1, I have an old set of plans I would part with. I purchased a new set from RR just to make sure I had everything. Darrin West KR-1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:54:32 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: KR: sad To all I know this has nothing to do with the KR but the people in Oregon probably has heard about the helicopter accident that happened Saturday. It claimed one of my pilots in my Guard unit. He was instructing a gentleman, which he has done for the past couple of years, in a Rotorway Exec. The tailboom came off inflight and both soles perished. I apologize for bringing this up but it is my way of dealing with this manner. He was part of "our" aviation community and he will be sure missed! SGT John F. Esch 1042 Medical Company (Air Ambulance) Crew Chief / Admin NCO Salem, OR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:42:26 -0700 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Pilots certificate At 12:48 PM 2/2/98 -0500, you wrote: > >I think that I might be setting a worlds record for length of pilots >training. After hearing many of you say you got a certificate in less >than 50 hrs, I was discouraged when I was at 90 hours and still no >certificate. My only response is "So what"? You should see how clutzy I was at trying to get proficient again in a taildragger. I stunk and took about 5 times more than I expected. Does it hurt my pride...nope. Should you care that you took longer than "typical"???.......NOPE. You will be a pilot soon and once you have the certificate, the training process is irrelevant. My only suggestion is that you develop, if not already, the ability to know your limitations and know when to make a go-around, when to abort a flight plan and divert to avoid weather, and when to say today is not right for me to fly. Ron Lee > >Bob Smith, Albany, NY. Love to fly. Slightly discouraged but end is in >sight. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:38:33 EST From: KMcken7414@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Pilots certificate Seldom does anyone get their ticket in less than 50 hrs. Mine took me 62 hrs. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 19:11:49 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Pilots certificate At 09:38 PM 2/2/98 EST, you wrote: >Seldom does anyone get their ticket in less than 50 hrs. Mine took me 62 hrs. >Keith > 70 something here! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Oh My,.......Its 1998!! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:24:05, -0500 From: YCGB97A@prodigy.com (MR JEAN R VERON) Subject: Re: KR: Pilots certificate My last private student had about 90 hrs. before being recommended for his check ride. I make no excuses or appoligies for this. we had a 2 mo. break when he was on 2nd shift and a month break for personal reasons. Basically it takes what it takes. I will not recommend a student before he is ready. This particular one could have been soloed at 10 hrs. except he had a mental block about crosswind landings. He knew it I knew it. But with work he overcame it. It took time . But the worst thing I can think of is explaining to his next of kin why I let him go solo without the skill to handle a particular situation. If someone is wanting to solo or get a license in a prescribed time then i will not take them as a student. This lesson comes hard learned when I let young lady solo after a lot of begging pleading and crying at a CAP flight encampment. She wasn't ready but I got talked into it ( read new flight instructor ). She made a good approach flaired just right then bounced and almost hit 90 deg. to the line of travel. I guess I had preached enough that she added full power and went around for another uneventful landing. I will never again solo another pilot until they can without a doubt handle any situation. I haave a good enough full time job that if anyone wants a garenteed solo or license time I end them to someone else. Jean N4DD Broken Arrow ,OK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:47:29 -0700 From: "Jeb" Subject: KR: Jeff Scott's back surgery Jeff Scott spent 4 hours get his vertabrae sawed on today. I'd been wondering how it went all day long so I called his house, his son told me he heard it went fine. Then about 30 min ago the phone rang and it was Jeff! He said he was doing fine (recent shot of morphine?! :o) ..) He'll be in hospital til Friday, then back home, I'm sure he'd be glad to hear from anyone out there in KR-land Oh yeah, I added 4 motor mount photos to my web page - close ups of attach to Subaru cylinders. John Bryhan jeb@thuntek.net // www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm Los Alamos, NM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:05:56 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: URL change, England trip KRNetHeads, I got word today that my ISP is changing my web address to http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford . I lost the coolest part, the "fly". Oh well. Please change any links to my site that you might have, as they are soon destined to disappear. This new one works already. I'm leaving Wednesday for almost a month in England. Not a pleasure trip, the working kind of trip, but I WILL be staying at a bed n breakfast within walking distance of the coast of Wales. I mention this because I'm not sure that I'll be able to check my email from there, but if you DO email me, make it obvious that it's to me in the subject line. Otherwise, I'll probably be a little crazy with the delete key when I get back to 1500 messages in my in box... I plan to meet Richard Mole while I'm there, as I'll certainly have Sundays off, at least. If there are any others anywhere near Bridgend (Richard's from North of London, but that's close enough), let me know and I'll try to get together. Richard might be able to treat me to a ride in his DeHavilland, weather and circumstances permitting. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 22:14:33 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: Pilots certificate At 21:38 2/2/98 EST, you wrote: >Seldom does anyone get their ticket in less than 50 hrs. Mine took me 62 hrs. >Keith > Mine took 43 hours...and FIVE years! brian whatcott Altus OK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:24:51 -0500 (EST) From: jeroffey@tir.com (jeroffey) Subject: KR: England Have a good trip Mark. We'll miss you. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 21:45:49 EST From: leperkins@juno.com (Lloyd Perkins,Jr.) Subject: Re: KR: sad John, My prayers and sadness goes out to you and the familys involved in this accident. We dont understand Gods ways, all we can do is put our faith in him. As far as Im concerned, and Im sure everybody else feels the same way, you need not apologize for bringing this to your friends here on the net. Once again may God bless and keep all of you at this time of great loss. Sincerely, SGT Lloyd Perkins 3/116th Inf. Brdge, 29th Inf. Div VAANG 11B2P-67U2F-67N2F Flight Engineer/ Crew Chief/ (Airborne) Psalm 27:14...... Wait on the Lord: Be of good courage,and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait , I say , on the Lord........ On Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:54:32 -0800 "John F. Esch" writes: >To all > >I know this has nothing to do with the KR but the people in Oregon >probably has heard about the helicopter accident that happened >Saturday. It claimed one of my pilots in my Guard unit. He was >instructing a gentleman, which he has done for the past couple of >years, >in a Rotorway Exec. The tailboom came off inflight and both soles >perished. >I apologize for bringing this up but it is my way of dealing with this >manner. He was part of "our" aviation community and he will be sure >missed! > > >SGT John F. Esch >1042 Medical Company (Air Ambulance) >Crew Chief / Admin NCO >Salem, OR > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #30 ****************************