From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, February 09, 1998 6:06 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #36 krnet-l-digest Monday, February 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 036 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:14:44 -0600 (CST) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: KR: Re: COZY: Engine (fwd) Saw this on the Cozy list and thought it had some good food for thought. Steve - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 09 Feb 98 09:08:20 -0600 From: lschuler@cellular.uscc.com To: cozy_builders@hpwarhw.an.hp.com Subject: Re: COZY: Engine Michael Pollock wrote: >snip >I believe the Subaru engine can be made into an effective powerplant >for a Cozy, however, it MUST be changed from the original >configuration for proper torque and reliability. >snip Blanket statements are not of much value. Care to shed some light for the rest of us? What did you have in mind? What do you think needs 'changing'? Why? What were you including/excluding in your R/D estimate? >By the way, Dick Rutan suggested that we start out with a powerplant >that has a proven record (ie. Lycoming) and prove the airframe first. >If the airframe checks out, then prove the experimental engine. I >told him that the Velocity design was already proven. He basically >said that the airplane that he is looking at now has not even flown, >so how can it be proven. Two unknowns in the equation for the first >flight is not healthy. I was a little irritated when Dick made the >comment, but now I know he was right - he is still alive. :-) Very good point on the airframe, and exactly what I keep saying about the Cozy.... The one I (you) build is not the one that Nat built and each one MUST be tested and proven. Each one is an "experiment"; Period. As a result, each and every one of us is a test pilot; like it or not. Glad to hear that Dick has the same understanding. As for testing a new engine.... you are absolutely correct about a possible double whammy. This ain't for everyone and if done, must be approached with double-caution. All I can say is that I hope I do. For example, I will be spending much more (probably triple) time running up and down the runway on the ground than most folks do before I even consider a takeoff. Will this engine work for me? I DO NOT KNOW. It makes 'reasonably' good sense that it should. It is an experiment to see if it will. If it does, then others will certainly benefit; and, I intend to share the experience, the details, the good, the bad, and the ugly... free. I have absolutely no intention of benefiting from this experiment in any monitary way other than having a much less expensive (per hour) ride. In any case, there are a number of folks further along than me. I am at least 3 years from having an airframe ready; maybe more. Larry Schuler MK-IV plans #500 lschuler@cellular.uscc.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:30:59 EST From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR:Chinokosh?? In a message dated 98-02-08 22:30:46 EST, Brian wrote: << Is Chinokosh still on? I am planning on arriving in CA on the evening of Feb 27 and will be staying there for about a week. Mike, I can help you do anything to your KR on the 28 & 29 if you are going to work on it then (What am I thinking! Volunteering free labor to Mike. What am I getting myself into! :) ) >> Yep...We still have the countdown running here at the Frick & Frack Control Center. This will be fun. Maybe not as much as LangfordKosh, but still pretty cool. RR may bless us with a visit too. After Frack's bad Email day, we'll need this day for prayer. With that said, Brian gets to sweep the hanger... Frick BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:31:43 -0600 (CST) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: More Engine Choices? On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Tim Anderson wrote: > KRnetheads, > > At the risk of starting WWIII on the KRnet, I was wondering if any has = > heard of using a Honda Gold Wing engine as a basis for A/C use? In = > thumbing through old Kitplanes mags, I found just such a thing (May 1993 = > Engine Beat). A company called Sandpiper Aire of Tucson was developing = > a package with a 1200 cc engine with stock transmission and a prop hub = > adapter for around $2700. This engine develops 100 hp and weighs 268 lbs = > (about the same as a Cont 0200) The idea of a 5 speed transmission on = > an airplane sounds interesting. Anyway, does anyone know what came of = > this? > > Progress: Cleaning out the garage in preparation for building the = > worktable. Currently modifing the KR2S design on AutoCad LT. > Europa aviation is working on a conversion for the BMW 1100cc Boxxer motorcycle engine and should be about ready to fly the prototype. THis looks like a very real possibility. Enough so that it is on my short list of engines. I don't have the URL for the pictures but will post it later today. The engine is fuel injected and has automatic altitude compensation and supposedly lends itself well to hopping up with a change of integrated circuits in the computer. In stock configuration it is supposed to get 80 HP and can be upped to 125 HP by re-chipping. Steve Eberhart, Evansville, IN newtech@newtech.com http://www.newtech.com/nlf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:37:52 -0800 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: Engine Choices At 11:44 PM 2/8/98 EST, you wrote: >Guys, > > > Im putting a Chevy big block 454 in my KR-2. It will cruise at 450 >knots at 35,000 ft. >I figure that should be the ticket. The landing gear is 6ft tall so that >the prop wont hit the ground. It is going to be equipped with dual >ignition (electronic) , dual Super Chargers,Titanium valve covers with >the words "RAND ROBINSON" embossed on them . What do you think???? >Pretty cool huh........ > >Best Regards, >Bubba Perkins > >P.S. Cragers are hard to find for these acft. > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >Hey Bubba, Great idea, but are you going to be able to use the stock Revmaster cowl, or do ya think it might need some mods? Dave Moore > David Moore Turnkey1@MSComm.Com Hesperia, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:38:07 -0800 From: "Tim Anderson" Subject: Re: KR:Chinokosh?? - -----Original Message----- >This will be fun. Maybe not as much as LangfordKosh, but still pretty cool. >RR may bless us with a visit too. After Frack's bad Email day, we'll need >this day for prayer. > >With that said, Brian gets to sweep the hanger... > >Frick >BSHADR@aol.com >Soviet Monica, CA > Have you thought of giving Frack a Prozac? Tim Anderson Stockton, CA tanderso@inreach.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:29:27 EST From: XZOSTD1@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Engine Choices Structurally I don't think I would trust my airframe over 425 knots. Bill Huntley Green Bay, Wi.(did anyone see the superbowl??) KR2S that was going to get a E81 ddTurbo. (I could pull the engine out of my suburban?? Should I use the Turbo 400 or just use direct drive???? how about a quick coupler to switch the engine between the plane and the truck???) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:36:35 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR:Chinokosh?? At 09:38 AM 2/9/98 -0800, you wrote: >Have you thought of giving Frack a Prozac? > > >Tim Anderson Frack here,..prozac in hand! I think I will survive. Hey but seriously, I just got back from a visit with RR and Janette said she would like to show up around noon. So if any of you guys that are planning to come down need a set of plans or would like to talk with Janette she will be there around noon. I asked if there was a pre welded motor mount for the Lycoming series and she said no not to her knowledge. (just in case anyone was wondering) She had a set of wing skins by the front door ready to be shipped out, man those things look good! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Oh my,... its 1998! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:14:01 -0500 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re: More Engine Choices? >At the risk of starting WWIII on the KRnet, I was wondering if any has heard of using a Honda Gold Wing engine as a basis for A/C >use? In thumbing through old Kitplanes mags, I found just such a thing (May 1993 Engine Beat). A company called Sandpiper Aire of >Tucson was developing a package with a 1200 cc engine with stock transmission and a prop hub adapter for around $2700. This >engine develops 100 hp and weighs 268 lbs (about the same as a Cont 0200) The idea of a 5 speed transmission on an airplane >sounds interesting. Anyway, does anyone know what came of this? I can guarantee noboby ever realisitically considered using the shifting ability of the 5 speed transmission. I recall a thread like this on another engine newsgroup that progressed onto variable transmissions and other unrealistic options Rich Parker Building the boat and not thinking too far ahead. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:11:07 -0800 From: "Tim Anderson" Subject: Re: KR:Chinokosh?? What time will the festivities (sanding, etc) begin? Where at the Chino Airport? We still on for Feb 28th? Tim Anderson Stockton, CA tanderso@inreach.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 16:09:06 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: [Fwd: e-mail] Thanks.. that makes this SPAM of sort. Sorry, should have checked my source. - -- Regards Ross JEHayward@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 98-02-05 18:37:55 EST, you write: > > << Subject: Re: FCConsidering new fees for email > >> > > Hey Ross, I got an automated reply from the FCC saying that proposal died > last year. Just FYI.... > > Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 21:58:19 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR:Chinokosh?? On Sun, 08 Feb 1998 20:09:23 -0800, you wrote: >If your around and available on say Tuesday or Wednesday (3rd or 4th) = Maybe >I can give you a crash course on hot wiring! :-) >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Micheal Mims >Building outer wings now > Mike, Just let me know when you want me there. I will be there at least until Friday. My wife won't mind, she will be spending some time with a friend that lives in Diamond Bar. To everyone else....If you can make it to Chino please come. It is always nice to get together and talk with other KR nuts! : Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S (DDT Soob - NO redrive here!!)=20 Currently glueing plywood skins on fuselage KR-2SBuilder@bigfoot.com http://www.KR-2S.home.ml.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 16:22:20 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Engine Paint-Heat Buildup. MikeTnyc@aol.com wrote: > I took a look in "How to Hot Rod Volkswagen Engines" (Bill Fisher, HP Books) > and also at an old issue of VW Trends magazine. The latter shows hot-rod > crankcases for sale that are black, and the cooling section in the former says > nothing about an increase in heat from painting. It just says that if you're > running too hot, get a more efficient oil cooler. Since the overwhelming > portion of the heat is generated in the jugs, I don't see how it's OK to paint > the jugs and not the other parts. Finally, there are several custom > rebuilders of certified engines that paint the crankcase. This is probably > done for sex appeal rather than heat, but I doubt they'd do it if they knew it > would hurt performance. > > At any rate, the color of paint does not matter. White reflects more visible > light than black, but as far as infrared radiant heat goes, I am told they all > reflect the same. The thing to avoid is metallic paint (or polished alloy) > which decreases heat transmission significantly. > > Mike Taglieri Thanks Mike, My opinion is that if I'm expecting the case to radiate a lot of heat I wouldn't need any oil. -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 16:23:00 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Engine Paint-Heat Buildup. Martin Mulvey wrote: > Hi All, > I agree with Marvin. A modified engine does in fact create a lot of heat > which could blister the paint on the case. It would look like heck after not > too long. > > All the best! Marty Buy ENGINE enamel. It is designed for high temp. - -- Regards Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 16:38:44 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: [Fwd: Fw: PAL version of KR video] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------586BAB9A68A042CDD906D71D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PAL video... sorry if this is a duplicate, I'm recovering from a down PC (1 week) and have LOTS of KR related mail to disposition. - -- Ross - --------------586BAB9A68A042CDD906D71D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by smtp3 for rossy (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.21 1997/08/10) Mon Feb 9 16:00:35 1998) X-From_: bvermeul@concentric.net Sat Feb 7 07:16:31 1998 Return-Path: bvermeul@concentric.net Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.119.93]) by smtp5.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA28313 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 07:16:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi [206.173.119.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/01/20 5.9)) id KAA03607; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:16:28 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from user (ts002d07.gps-mi.concentric.net [207.155.188.43]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.8.8) id KAA28787; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:16:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802071516.KAA28787@marconi.concentric.net> From: "Bob Vermeulen" To: Subject: Fw: PAL version of KR video Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:18:51 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - ---------- > From: Bob Vermeulen > To: KRNET > Subject: PAL version of KR video > Date: Saturday, February 07, 1998 9:24 AM > > Hey KRNetters, > > I've had a couple of requests for the Gathering Video in the PAL > format.(the video system widely used throughout Europe) I'm going to have > some PAL versions of the video made and I need to know how many of you guys > outside of the U.S. would like to get one. I'll keep the price at $25, > which includes shipping (no need to penalize our KR friends across the > ocean) The best way to transfer funds will be Visa or MasterCard. I am > going to make a limited number, so don't delay in ordering your video from > me. Once they are gone, that's it. Please e-mail me directly, or use > snail mail. > > Bob Vermeulen > Omega Productions > 304 Cedar St. NE > Grand Rapids, MI 49503 > > phone/fax 616-774-3913 > > email bvermeul@concentric.net > > P.S. Please forgive me for dealing with this matter over KRNet, but it was > the only way I knew of to get in touch with all of the KR lovers outside of > our borders. Thanks again for all the support you guys have been and I > hope the video has been fun to watch during these winter months. > > > Ross, I've been trying to get this message onto KRnet for a couple of days with no luck. Could you forward it for me. The guys in Europe and Africa will appreciate it as will I. Thanks, Bob - --------------586BAB9A68A042CDD906D71D-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:46:46 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: KR-2 Plans. Who was it out there that needed a plans book for the KR he just bought, I believe it was Lloyd, if so e-mail be back. I just came into a couple of sets, no templates, just the book. It will surprise you how small the book is and you will then understand why we have this net to exchange information. Now the big news, I just came into possession of copies of the original KR-1 and KR-2 newsletters dating back to Sept. 1975 through August 1984. I don't know how hard these are to find but the really neat thing is ALL of the issues are indexed on the first 11 pages. The subjects are: Aileron, balancing-23,77,152,401 bell crank-174, pushrod linkage - 267 and so one. Ernest Koppe, Westminster, CA was the editor and Homer Sanders from Decatur, IL was credited with the index. If you want to know about wing weight, venting wings, homemade vaccum (sp), wing attachment covers or whatever, they are all indexed as to the page. It's got drawings of everything in it from throttle linkage drawings to combination carb heat, cabin heat boxes It eats up a 3" spiral notebook and is 516 pages long, not counting the index. If this is anything near rare, or if there is any interest in it, I'll go and have a copy made of this original and send it on a chain letter course. If there is enough interest, I'll make a couple of copies and spider web it out. It is really something to see. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 16:58:49 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Progress? MARVIN MCCOY wrote: > Looked at another KR here in Seattle area last weekend. He made his > outer spars the correct length with spruce and did not have to add glass > and foam sections on the end. Any one who has not made their spars yet > should think about doing it that way. Makes a better spar and a lot > less work. I don't know why the plans have you make extensions from > glass and foam when it would be so much easier to just cut the spruce > spars longer in the first place. > As in all things, I'm thinking that there was probably a reason. You posted thatthis modification of the plans is the "correct" length. I would argue that this is not "correct" but different and perhaps "improved". I'm not an aeronautical engineer, but I know that everywhere there are trade offs. One trade off might be that buying longer spar stock is more expensive, I dunno. - -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 17:00:06 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: homepage Adrian, You should see me here chuckling. Boy, I go away for a week and we have VW/Continental flames everywhere. Glad to know that no one got hurt, and that the hangar floor was cleaned up afterwards. - -- Ross cartera@cuug.ab.ca wrote: > Hi Gang, > Have updated my home page. Take a look. > And.........it's nice flying behind a VW, he, he, he! > -- > Adrian VE6AFY > cartera@cuug.ab.ca > http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 17:02:10 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Yo Bubba (was Engine Choices) Yo Bubba! I'm rolling on the floor here! -- Ross Lloyd Perkins,Jr. wrote: > Guys, > > Im putting a Chevy big block 454 in my KR-2. It will cruise at 450 > knots at 35,000 ft. > I figure that should be the ticket. The landing gear is 6ft tall so that > the prop wont hit the ground. It is going to be equipped with dual > ignition (electronic) , dual Super Chargers,Titanium valve covers with > the words "RAND ROBINSON" embossed on them . What do you think???? > Pretty cool huh........ > > Best Regards, > Bubba Perkins > > P.S. Cragers are hard to find for these acft. > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 17:05:24 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Bohemian Coolness I like the phrase. Perhaps I will call my KR "Bohemain Coolness" in script across the KR. Or perhaps GPASC could sell the Bohemian Coolness 1835cc engine package including little flower stickers. Hmmm. - -- Ross Tom Crawford wrote: > KMcken7414@aol.com wrote: > > > > If you have an opinion, share it, but don't bad mouth other people who are in > > the same group as you. > > Well one last thought. While you guys are spending $3000.00 for your overhaul > > we will be spending 1/3 of that on ours. I truly believe that if the time and > > right parts are used you can have a very reliable, sweet running engine. > > Exactly, not to mention the fact that the VW is an engine that many of > us have some experience working on and feel comfortable with. > Let's review- > 1)relatively low initial outlay of cash. > 2)cheap parts. > 3)easy to work on. > 4)light weight. > 5)and it's a VW!!! You have to admit, there is a certain Bohemian > coolness factor here. Well, to me anyway. > > Enough. > > Tom Crawford > tomc@afn.org > Gainesville, FL > N262TC- VW powered! WOW! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:43:55 EST From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Progress-engine noises? In a message dated 98-02-09 06:58:43 EST, you write: << In regards to your earlier question concerning bellyboards, I'll put together the four or five ideas of how it can and has been done. You are at the point in construction where this needs to be done. If you are using dual sticks it makes it easier as all you have to do is place a handle between the pilot and passenger, it's a pretty simple arrangement. >> Hey Dana... could you send a copy to me as well? I'd sure appreciate it. Jim Hayward jehayward@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 20:30:56 -0800 From: "Bruce S. Campbell" Subject: Re: KR: Engine Paint-Heat Buildup. Ross Youngblood wrote: > > Buy ENGINE enamel. It is designed for high temp. > > -- Regards > Ross Yes, but on water cooled engines! Bruce S. Campbell Tampa, Fl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 20:39:15 -0800 From: "Bruce S. Campbell" Subject: Re: KR: More Engine Choices? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------3F147860333A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steven A Eberhart wrote: > > Europa aviation is working on a conversion for the BMW 1100cc Boxxer > motorcycle engine and should be about ready to fly the prototype. THis > looks like a very real possibility. Enough so that it is on my short > list of engines. I don't have the URL for the pictures but will post > it > later today. The engine is fuel injected and has automatic altitude > compensation and supposedly lends itself well to hopping up with a change > of integrated circuits in the computer. In stock configuration it is > supposed to get 80 HP and can be upped to 125 HP by re-chipping. > > Steve Eberhart, Evansville, IN > newtech@newtech.com > http://www.newtech.com/nlf Steve, I like that idea in a Hummelbird. Also to add to the fire, now that everyone has kissed and made up :-) Here is a post from Nathan Rambo on the Dragonfly list that covers some good points about where we are with the VW today and how we got here. Bruce S. Campbell Tampa, Fl. - --------------3F147860333A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="VW.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="VW.TXT" Subj: Re: DFLY: VW Date: 12/12/97 2:25:48 AM EST From: rambo@vcnet.com (Nathan Rambo) Sender: owner-dragonlist@interstice.com Reply-to: dragonlist@interstice.com To: dragonlist@interstice.com This is for VW people. I've failed to get in on the VW discussions because I know little about engines and I figured that some authority would come on the line. None the less, after living with the VeeDub animal for 14 years, I have at least gained insight and formulated opinions. Please don't be offended if I'm wrong. Come on the line with better facts. Patrick, Steve, Hovarth, .... where are you? >At 07:08 PM 12/7/1997 +0000, Dorothea Keats (Chris Walterson) wrote: >>Regarding the reliability of the VW, ..............the main problem I found was >with the heads. the dual port may hold up better. > >> The small spark plug holes in the dual ignition models usually strip >>sooner or later if heli coils are not used. > >>Flying the Dragonfly with >>only the 60 hp is kinda marginal in my opinion. 1. There are all sorts of VW configurations and .... yes ... some you sure can swear at and some you can swear by. It's primarilly a matter of knowledge. 2. VW problems have rarely resulted in total power failures and fatalities. Feed 'em fuel and spark and they usually get you home. There have been countless power failures caused by lack of fuel; guess who caused those. 3. There is an exception to the paragraph above .... catastrophic shaft failures. Years ago, one of the first 5 HAPI 2180's failed right after installation. HAPI recalled all five and replaced the shafts. Cast shafts (primarilly in Sonerais) or shafts that have had prop strikes and were not magnafluxed have broken. It's really amazing that with all the MK I broken canards and prop strikes that we haven't had more shafts break. Scat shafts delivered in the past 6-8 years (like the 82mm that most of us now use in the big engines) are forged and don't break. They are fantastic with the Force One hub and big bearing/seal. 3. Most of us, like Chris, have found it impossible to keep the valves seated in the HAPI 1835 and early Revmaster single port heads. I'm talking 10 not 100 hours until leakage. We flew those 1835s all over the country but the valve situation was totally unsat. Hydraulic valve lifters do not correct the problem. When I went to dual port heads in the big 2180 the valve problems went away. Completely! I know not why. 4. Yes, Chris, is correct. The small lower plugs in the single port heads do strip out; it's may be best to helicoil them as I did but since I started to use thread lube no plugs, big or small, have given me trouble in any heads. This covers about 12 years of flying. 5. Type I crankcases: The standard magnesium cases will not tolerate high compression ratios and big cubes ,i.e.over 2 L. (I don't know about the engines built with aluminum cases vice magnesium cases or engines with counter-balanced shafts.) When set up much above 8 or 8.5:1, 2180s seem to last about 200 hours or so and then the main bearing-carrying webs start to break internally from fatique. This problem usually gives fair warning; the engine starts loosing oil from a case crack in the front right face. The crack opens more and more causing progressive oil leakage. I've been told that the 2080 Revmasters will do this (8.5:1 CR) but I can't substantiate the fact. If I remember right, I think Steve Bennett told me to hold the CR below 8:1 or 7.5:1 for some fuels. He has engines over thousand hours without this problem. 4. A 2180 really corrects the anemic ROC. Don't expect much better top speed. The "cubed HP rule" reigns. But you climb faster and get to altitude so much quicker ... then you can profit from full cruise speed. 5. Ignitions: Those of us who got the early HAPIs with one TSOed (Slick) magneto and one electronic system never lacked reliability. I love that dual system. And it's easy to maintain by the builder. Maybe some people flying the latest Revmasters can help us here if I error. The old single-drive dual Bendix mag systems seemed pretty darn good. On the other hand, the new Revmaster dual electronic system has not impressed me favorably. When I first saw this system I liked it. There are 8 coils located next to the 8 plugs. But then I learned more. The electronic brains are sealed in the casting bolted to the back of the engine. The builder gets no field maintainance info to speak of. The owner or engine must go back to the factory for help. Jim DeBay has had nothing but nightmares with his for the past 6 months and considers it non-maintainable. 6. Another thing that Jim found .... to remove the lower plugs requires that he remove the rocker cover, remove the rocker arm shaft, etc. On reassembly the valve lash must be re-set etc. Two hours or more dirty work just to check the lower 4 plugs. Unbelievable. 7. My personal preference in VeeDub engine builders is Steve Bennett at Great Plains. For advice and support there is no one else I trust! No one. I've talked to a lot of people and know that Steve builds a conservative engine that is darn reliable. He supports us. In a rush I've had parts in hand less than 48 hours; and I'm 2000 miles away. 8. There is no perfect answer ... no free lunch. If we were on a Lycoming web list you would never buy a Lycoming after hearing the recent Camarillo stories. 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Although when I was a kid I had to save and buy my own car, somehow, when you have daughters or something, it works differently. At any rate, my daughter is getting a new used car, but to celebrate, I spent some money on the KR project just to balance it out. Soooo, straight from the UPS airplane parts delivery service. (I believe that UPS and Fed-X exist only to bring me airplane parts in little boxes, and rightly so). So here is what the UPS folks brought me today! 1) ACK Model E-01 ELT -- No, this is not the cat that goes Acck Phthhht! it is an Emergency Locator Transmitter. It was about $209, or so uses Duracell batteries, and comes with a nifty remote transmitter mount. I still don't know where I will put it, I think I will wait until I have some initial weight & balance data, so I can use it as ballast. Although the FSDO in Phoenix 8 years ago indicated I didn't need the ELT until my flight test period was complete, it seemed like a good idea to get one so folks can find the tail after I auger in. (Kidding this is really not my plan). This one comes with a NIFTY NIFTY remote mount that you can place on the panel to tell if the darn thing has gone off! The local CAP foks tell great stories of ELT chases down the highway, or in hangars. Check yours regurlarly, there are a lot of good people in search and rescue orginizations that go looking for ELT's on the ground too often. 2) T&B -- A nifty foreign Turn & Bank indicator. I decided that there was a good chance I might accidentally end up in clouds here in Oregon, and also want to use the KR to practice manuvers that I might need should I continue my flight training. Here in Oregon Instrument training seems a bit more likely than it did to me in Arizona. Don't forget the $14.00 connector for this. 3) VSI --- Backordered (UGH!) 4) Nifty exhaust manifold tape! Should keep the temperature in the cowling down. However at $40.00, I might want to sell you what I have left over... If any. 5) 4 way fuel shutoff valve. (I didn't like my fuel routing with the 3-way valve, this should help me reach the KISS principle). 6) 4' of 5/8" capstrip spruce. There is a X-member in the KR2 plans that is omitted from the top fuselage drawing, a tech counselor recommended I insert this if I was making my aft deck removable. Hence the 4' piece. 7) A BARGAN BAG of spruce. Not a bad deal for $15.00, I need to make some little spruce back up plates for hose clamps etc. This stuff is MORE than plenty to do this. I suggest if you are still working with the spruce, throw in an order for this, you can make test blocks and other nifty stuff for the project, without having to cut into your "good stuff". And at Saturdays EAA meeting, I sat next to the guy who owns a couple of rows of hangars at the airport, and guess what... I can move up to electric power for only $20 more a month! So I signed a lease today. Hopefully when I move, I can find the Compass that I promised to sell to Brian Bland (I think it was him). Happy Building! -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 17:18:39 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Bohemian Coolness (just joking now, not a flame) At 05:05 PM 2/9/98 -0800, you wrote: >> Exactly, not to mention the fact that the VW is an engine that many of >> us have some experience working on and feel comfortable with. Sorry guys I couldn't resist! I wonder why so many of us have experience working on them? Humm............. :o) Now you VW guys don't get all huffy, I am just joking! PS We got Brads Revmaster back together and it runs great! He couldn't fly because a storm blew in just as he fired it up. Test flights to follow sometime this week. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:35:26 -0500 (EST) From: jeroffey@tir.com (jeroffey) Subject: KR: Wing skins Hey Mike, who gets the skins. Did she say? Check the price on the RR web site. $4200. Seems kinda steep to me in veiw of Dan Diels price for same skins($1500). John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 17:31:21 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: N541RY Progress Report At 05:22 PM 2/9/98 -0800, you wrote: >4) Nifty exhaust manifold tape! Should keep the temperature in the >cowling down. However at $40.00, I might want to sell you what I have left over... If any. > Dude don't use the exhaust tape unless your pipes are chrome or cadmium plated. (Or some kind of plating) Otherwise they will rust pronto! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 11:16:31 -0800 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR:Chinokosh?? At 12:30 PM 2/9/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-02-08 22:30:46 EST, Brian wrote: > ><< Is Chinokosh still on? I am planning on arriving in CA on the evening > of Feb 27 and will be staying there for about a week. Mike, I can > help you do anything to your KR on the 28 & 29 if you are going to > work on it then (What am I thinking! Volunteering free labor to Mike. > What am I getting myself into! :) ) >> > >Yep...We still have the countdown running here at the Frick & Frack Control >Center. > >This will be fun. Maybe not as much as LangfordKosh, but still pretty cool. >RR may bless us with a visit too. After Frack's bad Email day, we'll need >this day for prayer. > >With that said, Brian gets to sweep the hanger... > >Frick >BSHADR@aol.com >Soviet Monica, CA > Now Randy (AKA Frack), I have been to Chino several times and could probably wonder around until I found Mike's hanger, BUT how about sharing some directions, and hanger number. Dave Moore David Moore Turnkey1@MSComm.Com Hesperia, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 17:42:11 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Wing skins At 08:35 PM 2/9/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hey Mike, who gets the skins. Did she say? Check the price on the RR web site. >$4200. Seems kinda steep to me in veiw of Dan Diels price for same skins($1500). >John Roffey Well there not really the same skins, Rands is pre-preg with honey comb cores and oven cured. But they serve the same purpose so I don't see why anyone would pay the extra cash when Dans are available. I guess you could paint them any color you want but that aint worth $2800 to this lunatic,..ah builder. Or me either! :o) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 08:46:40 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Mark Langford At 02:35 PM 2/9/98 GMT, you wrote: > >Mark has now done about 3hrs 30mins in my Jodel D18 which is, wait for it, >powered by a Limbach derivative of the VW (total time 504 hrs in 30 months)! > >Richard Mole I feel sorry for Mark and his email woes but I am extremely jealous of his Jodel time!! ARGH!!! I almost built one instead of the KR or what ever you call my project. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Oh my,... its 1998! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #36 ****************************