From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 1:06 AM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #37 krnet-l-digest Wednesday, February 11 1998 Volume 02 : Number 037 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:19:19 EST From: KR2616TJ@AOL.COM Subject: Re: KR: Re: Belly Board In a message dated 98-02-08 11:48:05 EST, you write: << Do you use the same mechanism that was to be used for the flaps? >> Marvin, If you want this RR flap handle I'll send you way, no charge, except that you will need to send me something "cool" from the surplus side of your field sometime. Let me know. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:25:23 EST From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR:Chinokosh?? In a message dated 98-02-09 18:07:16 EST, you write: << What time will the festivities (sanding, etc) begin? Where at the Chino Airport? We still on for Feb 28th? >> Tim: Figure on arriving about 11AM to Noon. If you come sooner, you'll likely be put to work - I'm not sure what, but I'll bet 'ol Prozac Frack will find som'in for ya to do. Frickoid BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 15:17:50 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR:Chinokosh?? At 02:11 PM 2/9/98 -0800, you wrote: > >What time will the festivities (sanding, etc) begin? Where at the Chino >Airport? We still on for Feb 28th? > >Tim Anderson >Stockton, CA >tanderso@inreach.com > Yes Feb 28th is the date. My hanger is obviously at the Chino airport, it is H3 #7 and #8. It is the H hangers out in front of the Jet Fighter Museum, the third ones out and on the right end (looking at them from the museum). I plan to be there around 9:00am to do a little work and some clean up. There is a greasy spoon restaurant on the field and lots of other things to do if you get bored talking about KRs. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Oh my,... its 1998! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 18:22:18 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: Belly Board At 04:19 PM 2/9/98 EST, you wrote: >If you want this RR flap handle I'll send you way, no charge, except that you will need to send me something "cool" from the surplus side of your field sometime. Let me know. > >Dana Overall Dana how much is that handle from RR? I had one and lost it and now I need it! Do you think it is long enough to be used as a speed brake actuator? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 18:37:56 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR:Chinokosh?? At 09:25 PM 2/9/98 EST, you wrote: >Figure on arriving about 11AM to Noon. If you come sooner, you'll likely be put to work - I'm not sure what, but I'll bet 'ol Prozac Frack will find >som'in for ya to do. > >Frickoid Nah I wont put anyone to work, ask George I haven't asked him to do anything! Actually I will be there from about 9:00 am on. Hanger number is H3 #7 and 8. If you are standing in front of the Jet Fighter museum my hanger is in the third row back (behind the museum) on the right, its the only "end" hanger. My Red VW GTi should be parked somewhere near. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 21:51:44 -0500 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Progress? Ross Youngblood wrote: > > MARVIN MCCOY wrote: > > > Looked at another KR here in Seattle area last weekend. He made his > > outer spars the correct length with spruce and did not have to add glass > > and foam sections on the end. > > As in all things, I'm thinking that there was probably a reason. You posted > thatthis modification of the plans is the "correct" length. I would argue > that this is not > "correct" but different and perhaps "improved". I'm not an aeronautical > engineer, > but I know that everywhere there are trade offs. One trade off might be that > buying > longer spar stock is more expensive, I dunno. > > -- Ross If the wooden spar was simply extended in length to the tips, then the spar will be heavier than necessary. The foam-only extension is to save a bit of weight. The air loads decrease enough that the extra wood structure is not required. The extra money is also a valid point. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:13:29 -0500 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re: Engine Choices > Im putting a Chevy big block 454 in my KR-2. It will cruise at 450 >knots at 35,000 ft. >I figure that should be the ticket. The landing gear is 6ft tall so that >the prop wont hit the ground. It is going to be equipped with dual >ignition (electronic) , dual Super Chargers,Titanium valve covers with >the words "RAND ROBINSON" embossed on them . What do you think???? Where are you going to put the fuel? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 03:33:33 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: Re: KR: N541RY Progress Report On Mon, 09 Feb 1998 17:22:50 -0800, you wrote: > So I signed a lease today. Hopefully when I move, I can find >the Compass that >I promised to sell to Brian Bland (I think it was him). > >Happy Building! > > -- Ross > > Yep it was me Ross....... Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S (DDT Soob - NO redrive here!!)=20 Currently glueing plywood skins on fuselage KR-2SBuilder@bigfoot.com http://www.KR-2S.home.ml.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:12:12 EST From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: Chinokosh lagoon...errrrr, hanger location In a message dated 98-02-09 21:24:53 EST, you write: << Now Randy (AKA Frack), I have been to Chino several times and could probably wonder around until I found Mike's hanger, BUT how about sharing some directions, and hanger number. >> David: ProzFrack told me the following in relation to his hanger location (last time I saw his KR it was beached...errrrr, I mean parked in a garage by his digs) "...My hanger is the "H" hangers which is right out in front of the Jet Fighter museum, I have the one on the end of H3 (3rd row out from museum), its number 7." Frickoid BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:09:20 -0500 From: Chris Gardiner Subject: Re: KR: Reliability of VW-End of Subject for me. Does anyone have suggestions/comments about using the Azusa wheels with mechanical b.rakes.? The price of the Cleveland 500x5 's is pretty scary these days. I've heard that the mechanical brakes are not strong enough to do a proper run up. Any and all opinions/comments appreciated. The KR2S sitting in my garage will get it's gear (Diehl) this summer and I need to get some wheels on order. Thanks to all the KRNet heads out there. Really great discussion and info. Regards Chris G At 12:07 AM 2/9/98 EST, you wrote: >I agree with this. How many of you have NEVER heard of a Cont. or a Lyc losing >its will to go? >The VW has been around alot longer than the cetifieds or the other >conversions. >If you have an opinion, share it, but don't bad mouth other people who are in >the same group as you. This is supposed to be fun and safe at the same time. >Of all the guys who have bad things to say about the VW, tell me , have you >ever considered the VW engine? I bet you have. >Well one last thought. While you guys are spending $3000.00 for your overhaul >we will be spending 1/3 of that on ours. I truly believe that if the time and >right parts are used you can have a very reliable, sweet running engine. I >hope everyone will get along on here and remember guys.....KEEP IT SAFE. > >Keith > > 0000,0000,ffffChris Gardiner......................... Regional Sales Manager................. Schlumberger Electricity Division...... 905 813 5009 voice 905 858 9473 FAX E mail..gardiner@mississauga.em.slb.com OR cgardiner@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:09:14 -0500 From: Chris Gardiner Subject: Re: KR: Progress? I agree Marvin. That is exactly what I did when I built my spars this fall. Order the outboard spar material at 93 inches ( small additional fee from Wicks) and save a lot of hassle making the foam /glass extentions. Looks more professional, too! I believe this method was originally intended to allow KR2's under construction to take advantage of the longer Dan Diehl wing skins, when they became available. Keep on buliding> Regards Chris Gardiner At 06:57 PM 2/8/98 -0800, you wrote: >I put the seat in the Kr temporarily and installed the rudder pedals. >Then I got to make airplane noises. Still a long way to go but kind of >fun to set in it. > I made my rudder pedals from 5/8 aluminum tubing and I used 3/4 tubing >for the mounting brackets. It worked real good and the whole shooting >match is super light. I was going to mount them on the top but they >hung down to far to work comfortably so I put them on the floor. I had >to make another set of brake pedals since the top mount pedals are >different. > I glued up the framework for the elevator and horizontal stabilizer. >Did it the way Mark Langford showed on his web page. Worked real >slick. The hinges have a bit of a bind in them so I will need to work >on them. > Looked at another KR here in Seattle area last weekend. He made his >outer spars the correct length with spruce and did not have to add glass >and foam sections on the end. Any one who has not made their spars yet >should think about doing it that way. Makes a better spar and a lot >less work. I don't know why the plans have you make extensions from >glass and foam when it would be so much easier to just cut the spruce >spars longer in the first place. > Still having fun. > >Marvin McCoy >Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field >mr.marvin@worldnet.att.net > > 0000,0000,ffffChris Gardiner......................... Regional Sales Manager................. Schlumberger Electricity Division...... 905 813 5009 voice 905 858 9473 FAX E mail..gardiner@mississauga.em.slb.com OR cgardiner@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:57:40 EST From: MikeTnyc@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Mike Mims In a message dated 98-02-08 13:15:54 EST, you write: >I go along with the group hug thing. I just sent Mike a personal e-mail and >apologized for anything I said that offended him. I regularly check Mike's >comments and have used his insight into the building process and have found >them to be invaluable. I encourage all KRnet'ers to flood Mike's e-mail >because if everyone agreed with everyone else nothing would get done for >patting each other on the back. > >Mike, I hope you haven't un-subscribed yet. I agree. I was off the list a few days, and I didn't realize until tonite the engine thread had gotten so heated. Any opinions I gave about various engines were ONLY about the engines, not about the people who believe in those engines. Mike, I may differ with you about the value of VW's, but I've learned a lot from you in other areas, and I hope you stay too. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:41:26 EST From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: KR: ChinoKosh KRNetHeads: Sorry for the bandwith use, but if anyone still needs directions to ChinoKosh, please Email me privately and I'll send 'em off to you. Frickoid BSHADR@aol.com PS - Straglers welcome too. Heck, I may even make up name tags so we know who we are in the police lineup photos after the party gets busted...So if you didn't get a direct Email from me, and you plan to attend, let me know soonest. Brian, this means YOU - Email please... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 08:41:27 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Progress-engine noises? At 06:57 AM 2/9/98 EST, you wrote: >I never could understand why they (wives) call us kids. Did you fly the >entire pattern including engine startup to shutdown? I still do.>> As silly as it may sound to others, this is actually great cockpit familiarization training! Continue to make airplane noises and keep flying around the pattern. It will help when the big day comes! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Oh my,... its 1998! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 09:47:44 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Goldwing engine Tim and others interested: I have the Contact! article re: converting GoldWing engines for aero use. As I mentioned previously, the main problem with this conversion is that the driveshaft/propshaft/output shaft is off-center. That's as it should be for a moto, but wrong for an aero. If you want to offset the engine to line up the output shaft with center thrust line, your engine weight is over to one side. (the passenger side, I think). Other than that, the engine is said to be silky-smooth and ultra-reliable, with compensating carbs (I think). The guy left in all the gears, but runs best with only one, and the rest can be taken out to save weight. E-mail me privately if interested; otherwise, stick with something more conventional. Like the BMW Boxer 1100! ;o) Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 04:42:17 -0500 From: "Driessen, Marcel" Subject: KR: AW: Engine Choices Bubba, where do you think you are going to put the 100 gallon fuel tank ? Marcel Driessen KR2S (planning to use VW) Meerlo, Limburg, The Netherlands e-mail: driessen@krohne.mhs.compuserve.com ---------- Von: 'MAIL@CSERVE ' Gesendet: Montag, 9. Februar 1998 00:09 An: Driessen; 'MAIL@CSERVE ' Betreff: KR: Engine Choices Sender: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Received: from smtp5.teleport.com (smtp5.teleport.com [192.108.254.35]) by arl-img-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) with ESMTP id AAA18965 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 00:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smtp5.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA22545; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:04:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by newbox2.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.5); Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:04:16 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp5.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id VAA22460 for krnet-l-outgoing; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:04:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from x15.boston.juno.com (x15.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.28]) by smtp5.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA22414 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:03:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from leperkins@juno.com) by x15.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XcX09752; Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:44:28 EST To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: KR: Engine Choices Message-ID: <19980209.004624.6887.1.LEPerkins@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4,9-14 From: leperkins@juno.com (Lloyd Perkins,Jr.) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:44:28 EST Sender: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com Precedence: bulk Guys, Im putting a Chevy big block 454 in my KR-2. It will cruise at 450 knots at 35,000 ft. I figure that should be the ticket. The landing gear is 6ft tall so that the prop wont hit the ground. It is going to be equipped with dual ignition (electronic) , dual Super Chargers,Titanium valve covers with the words "RAND ROBINSON" embossed on them . What do you think???? Pretty cool huh........ Best Regards, Bubba Perkins P.S. Cragers are hard to find for these acft. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:12:37 -0800 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: 2TC- VW Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > Yo, Tom- > > Since you just got Two Tango Charlie airborne a short while back- which > flavor of VW are you running in it? And, do you have stubby stacks on > the exhaust? Was it a fresh rebuild/overhaul? It would be interesting > to hear how your setup does as you fly off your hours. > > Regards, > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Oscar, I used a T4 VW at 2400cc- not so much for the extra ponies, (I could have inserted a stroker crank for that) but more for the extra durability of the T4.(Aluminum case, real cam bearings, BIG well cooled heads, hydraulic lifters, etc.) The T4 also has the exhaust exiting the bottom of the head, so with a little modification, I was able to use most of the stock exhaust to make 2 into 1 headers for each side. Not really stubby, but not real long either. The engine was salvaged from a '78 bus, and all parts were bought from Steve. With a lot of Steve's telephone advice, I put the engine together. So far the engine runs good, I just flew yesterday for a total of 3 hours (2 flights) trying out a new prop. Still tracking down and fixing oil leaks, but it is getting close. Also, I finally tore out that mickey mouse stock trim system that Rand sells you. I was never comfortable with it, and it finally quit working after about 6 hours in the air. I use the term working loosely- never did work well. I spent about a day and a half installing the MAC unit. WOW- what a difference! It really works well and is well built. My advice to others- dont bother with that Nyrod crap, spend the bucks and get a real trim system, you will be glad you did, and it would be much easier to install while you are building. When you buy quality, you only cry once. Flying off my time- 10 hours down, only 30 to go! Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 03:58:18 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Foam tips Don wrote: >If the wooden spar was simply extended in length to the tips, then the >spar will be heavier than necessary. The foam-only extension is to save >a bit of weight. The air loads decrease enough that the extra wood >structure is not required. The extra money is also a valid point. My 2 cents worth- is there any value to the thought that if a wingtip scrapes, it's easier to fix a foam 'n' glass ouch rather than wood too? I just keep thinking how close those wingtips are to the ground. Has anybody ever scraped the tips in a x-wind 'adventure'? Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:15:21 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Re: Belly Board In a message dated 98-02-09 21:35:03 EST, you write: << Dana how much is that handle from RR? I had one and lost it and now I need it! Do you think it is long enough to be used as a speed brake actuator? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims >> Mike, I don't have the invoice here but it wasn't much, like $25.00 bucks or something, you couldn't make one for less. The handle is out at my hangar, I'll go out and grab it today. but I think it would be plenty long enough and stout enough. I haven't really looked at it for a while but it seems to me that you might have to rivot, bolt or whatever a bellcrank of some sort onto the torque rod and use a small run of cable or rod to your belly board actuator bell crank. It should be pretty simple, but with my KR being standard (sardine) size, I don't need anything else down around my hips. It's a pretty well made setup with 3 notches and a "cool" red locking button that again seem stout enough, after she beefed them up. Dana Overall Richmond, Ky kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:19:21 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR:Chinokosh?? In a message dated 98-02-09 21:58:48 EST, you write: << What time will the festivities (sanding, etc) begin? >> Ha, Ha at LangfordKosh we had the Booby Bungalo with Melody Mountains :-) Have a great time. Dana Overall Richmond, Ky kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:32:41 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: Re: Mechanical brakes. In a message dated 98-02-10 00:44:55 EST, you write: << Does anyone have suggestions/comments about using the Azusa wheels with mechanical b.rakes.? The price of the Cleveland 500x5 's is pretty scary these days. >> I have never rode in a KR with mechanical brakes. I am sure there are people on the list who still use these and see no need to change. The only thing I have heard is that it is difficult to keep the drums round and this causes uneven braking. If you do not want to go with Cleveland, which are great brakes and you get what you pay for, Steve Bennett @ Great Plains 1-800-922-6507 offers hydraulic brake setup of which you can use your Azusa wheels. I am using these and all I had to do was a little machine work on the axles. Troy has these same cylinders and says that he has been unable to get all the air out but this has not been a problem. In addition with the pad being an axle wraparound setup, heat transfer is somewhat diminished, resulting in decreased braking ability if you stay on the brakes for any length of time, but again he hasn't run through any fences (on the airport, te, he, he, he, he'll kill me for this). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:05:04 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: KR newsletters. Tell you what I'm going to do. I'll go make three copies of all these newletters plus the index. I'm going to send one to Brian Bland so that he can bring them to Mike's hangar for the west coast thing and I'm going to send Oscar the originals for his CD-ROM, he figures it will take about 13 hours to transfer and 77.4MB, Geez (copyright under consideration), and one goes to Esko Lempola to circulate in get this, Finland, Sweden, Germany, Netherlands, Tschec Republic, Italy, etc. I'll incur the first set of charges for making three copies (I'm keeping one copy), just make yourself a copy and incur that expense plus the subsequent mailing expense, keep it and send the one I send you on. That will guarantee that the next person gets a good copy to copy from. It's going to be a bargain. OK , you three guys, I need some mailing addresses. Brian, Marvin McCoy in Seattle is the next in line, he can send you his address mr.marvin@worldnet.att.net If there is a copyright question, let me know, but there is some extremely valuable information in these and Oscar you're right, all the old tips have not been incorporated into the later plans or manual and common knowledge is knowledge that everyone has, there's ideas in here that answer a lot of questions posted on this net. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: 10 Feb 98 15:40:56 +0200 From: "LEMPOLA ESKO" Subject: RE:KR: KR newsletters. MIME:krnet-l@teleport.com: >Tell you what I'm going to do. I'll go make three copies of all these >newletters plus the index. I'm going to send one to Brian Bland so that he >can bring them to Mike's hangar for the west coast thing and I'm going to send >Oscar the originals for his CD-ROM, he figures it will take about 13 hours to >transfer and 77.4MB, Geez (copyright under consideration), and one goes to >Esko Lempola to circulate in get this, Finland, Sweden, Germany, Netherlands, >Tschec Republic, Italy, etc. >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > > Hello Dana! My address is: Esko Lempola Otavankaari 4 36100 KANGASALA as. FINLAND e-mail: esko.lempola@icl.fi To the European KRNetters: Let me know, if you are interested about these Newsletters. After I have copyed my own set, I'll send it to the next KRNetter. I also would like to have your contact information, e-mail, street addresses, phone etc. I think that there is at least one more Finnish KR builder in KRNet, he should contact directly to me. Friendly Esko Lempola ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:18:13 -0800 From: Alessandro Pecorara Subject: Re: KR: Re: New Members nifty information site Bob Vermeulen wrote: > > Check out this site. > http://www.excalhq.it/ulm/catalogo/Propulsori/s_sax86.htm Anybody speak > Italian?? > Hi Bob, my Italian is much better than my English. The SAX 86 is FIAT car engine converted (I guess, just adding a reduction gear) to aircraft use. For car use it's a reliable engine, for aircraft it has been tested on some ULM's. If you wish, I could try to have more info. By the way it isn't cheap: it.£ 17.000.000 or so (1$ US = 1.750 it.£) Cheers. Alessandro Pecorara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:24:03 +0100 From: Michele Bucceri Subject: Re: KR: KR newsletters. LEMPOLA ESKO wrote: > Hello Dana! > > My address is: > Esko Lempola > Otavankaari 4 > 36100 KANGASALA as. > FINLAND > > e-mail: esko.lempola@icl.fi > > To the European KRNetters: > > Let me know, if you are interested about these Newsletters. After I > have copyed my own set, I'll send it to the next KRNetter. I also > would like to have your contact information, e-mail, street addresses, > phone etc. I think that there is at least one more Finnish KR builder > in KRNet, he should contact directly to me. > > Friendly > > Esko Lempola Here my address: Michele Bucceri V.le Ca' Granda 2/13 20162 Milano (MI) Italy Think is good to keep track of the sequence of the newsletters possessor, and to optimize the newsletter's trip, in order to avoid them to make 8 world tours. At now should be: 1) Finland: Esko Lempola Otavankaari 4 36100 KANGASALA as. FINLAND 2) Italy : Michele Bucceri V.le Ca' Granda 2/13 20162 Milano (MI) Italy If somebody is half-way between Finland and Italy, insert as second and shift me in third position ... Ciao, Michele - -- MBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMB Michele Bucceri E-mail: mailto:michele.bucceri@italtel.it MBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:56:14 -0500 From: "Bob Vermeulen" Subject: Re: KR: Re: New Members nifty information site - ---------- > From: Alessandro Pecorara > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: Re: New Members nifty information site > Date: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 6:18 PM > > Bob Vermeulen wrote: > > > > Check out this site. > > http://www.excalhq.it/ulm/catalogo/Propulsori/s_sax86.htm Anybody speak > > Italian?? > > > Hi Bob, > my Italian is much better than my English. The SAX 86 is FIAT car engine > converted (I guess, just adding a reduction gear) to aircraft use. > For car use it's a reliable engine, for aircraft it has been tested on > some ULM's. If you wish, I could try to have more info. > By the way it isn't cheap: it.£ 17.000.000 or so (1$ US = 1.750 it.£) > Cheers. > > Alessandro Pecorara Alessandro, What models of FIAT is the SAX 86 found in and do you know if they are imported to the U.S.? Video Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:41:55 EST From: rdewees@juno.com Subject: Re: KR: KR newsletters. Hi Brian.. Please put me on the list at some point in the mail chain. Address is: Ron DeWees 999 Rosedale Road NE Atlanta, GA 30306 Tel 404 876-3481 Thanks Ron (2 KR2 projects and HAPI 60 hp motor) On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:05:04 EST KR2616TJ@aol.com writes: >Tell you what I'm going to do. I'll go make three copies of all these >newletters plus the index. I'm going to send one to Brian Bland so >that he >can bring them to Mike's hangar for the west coast thing and I'm going >to send >Oscar the originals for his CD-ROM, he figures it will take about 13 >hours to >transfer and 77.4MB, Geez (copyright under consideration), and one >goes to >Esko Lempola to circulate in get this, Finland, Sweden, Germany, >Netherlands, >Tschec Republic, Italy, etc. > >I'll incur the first set of charges for making three copies (I'm >keeping one >copy), just make yourself a copy and incur that expense plus the >subsequent >mailing expense, keep it and send the one I send you on. That will >guarantee >that the next person gets a good copy to copy from. It's going to be >a >bargain. > >OK , you three guys, I need some mailing addresses. > >Brian, Marvin McCoy in Seattle is the next in line, he can send you >his >address mr.marvin@worldnet.att.net > >If there is a copyright question, let me know, but there is some >extremely >valuable information in these and Oscar you're right, all the old >tips have >not been incorporated into the later plans or manual and common >knowledge is >knowledge that everyone has, there's ideas in here that answer a lot >of >questions posted on this net. > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:41:56 EST From: rdewees@juno.com Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Plans. Hi Dana.. I emailed you that I needed a set of plans for the KR2 and sent it to you directly but it came back bounced. We met at the Huntsville gathering last month. Hope you still have a set.. I have projects and templates but no plans. Glad to pay for the costs and shipping. Ron DeWees Atlanta, Ga rdewees@juno.com On Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:46:46 EST KR2616TJ@aol.com writes: >Who was it out there that needed a plans book for the KR he just >bought, I >believe it was Lloyd, if so e-mail be back. I just came into a couple >of >sets, no templates, just the book. It will surprise you how small the >book is >and you will then understand why we have this net to exchange >information. > >Now the big news, I just came into possession of copies of the >original KR-1 >and KR-2 newsletters dating back to Sept. 1975 through August 1984. I >don't >know how hard these are to find but the really neat thing is ALL of >the issues >are indexed on the first 11 pages. The subjects are: Aileron, >balancing-23,77,152,401 bell crank-174, pushrod linkage - 267 and so >one. >Ernest Koppe, Westminster, CA was the editor and Homer Sanders from >Decatur, >IL was credited with the index. If you want to know about wing >weight, >venting wings, homemade vaccum (sp), wing attachment covers or >whatever, they >are all indexed as to the page. It's got drawings of everything in it >from >throttle linkage drawings to combination carb heat, cabin heat boxes > It >eats up a 3" spiral notebook and is 516 pages long, not counting the >index. >If this is anything near rare, or if there is any interest in it, I'll >go and >have a copy made of this original and send it on a chain letter >course. If >there is enough interest, I'll make a couple of copies and spider web >it out. >It is really something to see. > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:32:24 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Plans. In a message dated 98-02-10 12:56:25 EST, you write: << Hope you still have a set.. I have projects and templates but no plans. Glad to pay for the costs and shipping. Ron DeWees Atlanta, Ga >> Boy I am in a giving mood or what :-) Only kidding. Ron send me you mailing address, I ended up with three books of plans, for free, along with all the KR newsletters. Dana Overall Richmond, Ky kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:55:43 GMT From: bbland@busprod.com (Brian Bland) Subject: KR: Progress I just got done skinning the fuselage sides. All I have to do now is skin the bottom. I also began pulling my EA-81 out of the Subaru I bought for $75. I will pick up my landing gear from Dan Diehl on March 13 and I will be placing an order about that time for the spruce for the center spars and horizontal stab spars, foam, fiberglass, and resin. By the end of March I should really have some visual progress and the boat will start to look more like an airplane. Just thought I would let everyone know how it was going. Brian J. Bland, PP, A&P Claremore, OK Building stretched and widened KR-2S (DDT Soob - NO redrive here!!)=20 Currently glueing plywood skins on fuselage KR-2SBuilder@bigfoot.com http://www.KR-2S.home.ml.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:18:06 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Progress At 02:55 AM 2/11/98 GMT, you wrote: >I just got done skinning the fuselage sides. All I have to do now is >skin the bottom. I also began pulling my EA-81 out of the Subaru I >bought for $75. I will pick up my landing gear from Dan Diehl on >March 13 >>>>>>>>>>>>. Right on Bland man! Keep on building dude it will happen! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:13:54 -0500 From: "Alan Moat" Subject: KR: Forward Deck This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BD3660.69554C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been working on my templates for the front deck while waiting for = spring. I cut out a firewall template per the plans. When I held it up = to the firewall supports it did not cover everything. The upper = shearweb and its blocking hung out around the template. Is the shearweb and its blocking supposed to be contoured to the = firewall template? Seems to me that you need all the strength in this = area you can get, so I went ahead and made a new template that will = cover everything. What has everyone else done? Thank you in advance for everyones valued opinions. Alan Moat flowery branch taom@randomc.com - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BD3660.69554C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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= - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BD3660.69554C40-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:53:08 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Forward Deck At 08:13 PM 2/10/98 -0500, you wrote: > What has everyone else done? > >Thank you in advance for everyones valued opinions. > I contoured the shelve to fit behind the firewall. Actually I didn't have to remove much, just round the corners. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Building outer wings now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:48:23 +0200 From: Kobus de Wet Subject: KR: Flight manual Hi guy the progress on the KR-2 is painfully slow but the Flight Manual is comming on fine have a look at this page for the loadsheets and performance graphs. The data for the performance graphs is derived from a spreadsheat that my cousin drew up. As you change any thing from Height to OAT to weight or even HP and prop pitch, the graphs changes automatically. This sheet will be available as soon as I can convince him that it is for a goob cause. http://home.intekom/kobusdw/performance.htm Kobus de Wet From Sunny Cape Town South Africa ZS-WPX http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 03:08:02 -0500 From: "Driessen, Marcel" Subject: KR: newsletters/Europe. ---------- Von: 'MAIL@CSERVE ' Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Februar 1998 09:21 An: Driessen; 'MAIL@CSERVE ' Betreff: Re: KR: KR newsletters. Sender: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Received: from smtp4.teleport.com (smtp4.teleport.com [192.108.254.34]) by arl-img-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) with ESMTP id JAA09622 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smtp4.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA20450; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 06:18:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by smtp4.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.5); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 06:18:19 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp4.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id GAA20396 for krnet-l-outgoing; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 06:18:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mex.italtel.it (mex.italtel.it [138.132.53.99]) by smtp4.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA20341 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 06:18:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from iltwd03.settimo.italtel.it by mex.italtel.it (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA14776; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:15:05 +0100 Received: by iltwd03.settimo.italtel.it (5.65/sal-941220); id AA24978; Tue, 10 Feb 98 15:11:46 +0100 Received: by ic8u32.settimo.italtel.it; id AA20947; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:20:48 +0100 Received: from ic9wh09 by ic8ss07.settimo.italtel.it (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA25430; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:16:58 +0100 Message-Id: <34E06303.604B@italtel.it> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:24:03 +0100 From: Michele Bucceri Organization: ITALTEL S.p.A. BUCT-UOSS-PSC X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/715) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: Re: KR: KR newsletters. References: <0021DC9B210000010100010B180166@fin2102.icl.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com Precedence: bulk LEMPOLA ESKO wrote: > Hello Dana! > > My address is: > Esko Lempola > Otavankaari 4 > 36100 KANGASALA as. > FINLAND > > e-mail: esko.lempola@icl.fi > > To the European KRNetters: > > Let me know, if you are interested about these Newsletters. After I > have copyed my own set, I'll send it to the next KRNetter. I also > would like to have your contact information, e-mail, street addresses, > phone etc. I think that there is at least one more Finnish KR builder > in KRNet, he should contact directly to me. > > Friendly > > Esko Lempola Here my address: Michele Bucceri V.le Ca' Granda 2/13 20162 Milano (MI) Italy Think is good to keep track of the sequence of the newsletters possessor, and to optimize the newsletter's trip, in order to avoid them to make 8 world tours. At now should be: 1) Finland: Esko Lempola Otavankaari 4 36100 KANGASALA as. FINLAND 2) The Netherlands: Marcel Driessen Veestraat 13 5864 CD Meerlo the Netherlands 3) Italy : Michele Bucceri V.le Ca' Granda 2/13 20162 Milano (MI) Italy If somebody is half-way between Finland and Italy, insert as second and shift me in third position ... Ciao, Michele -- MBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMB Michele Bucceri E-mail: mailto:michele.bucceri@italtel.it MBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMB Esko, Michele, The Netherlands is somewhere in the middle between Finland and Italy. I inserted my adress in the list above. Great Idea to distribute such valuable information this way ! Marcel Driessen KR2S-Builder (boat on wheels) Meerlo, Limburg, The Netherlands e-mail: driessen@krohne.mhs.compuserve.com ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #37 ****************************