From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 1998 4:21 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #56 krnet-l-digest Thursday, March 19 1998 Volume 02 : Number 056 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:01:28 -0600 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Sun and Fun At 02:25 PM 3/15/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-03-15 11:59:13 EST, you write: > ><< Is anyone maintaining a list of KR-Netters who are going to Sun and Fun >and where they are all staying? > > AARP > (the Association for the Advancement of Richard Parker) >> > >Richard and all others, > >We currently have a KR Group rate at the Tampa Fairgrounds Budgetel 813 >626-0885. When you call tell them you want this rate, they offered us $59.95. >I'll be going down Friday and leaving Tuesday or Weds. and staying at the Budgetel Let's hear from everyone who is planning on going. Plus we >could always just post a sign at the RR display area for everyone who is not >on the KRnet. > >Dana Overall > I'll be there in my KR the 18th thru 23rd. My Dad and Mama is there already as voluteers. You may not be aware but there is always a KR dinner planned for Tuesday or Wednesday evening. Just go to the RR booth, sign up and select your dinner choice. There's always lots of door prises too! Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:24:13 -0600 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: KR side stick- my vote At 06:41 PM 3/15/98 -0600, you wrote: >At 17:33 3/15/98 -0600, you wrote: > >>A suggestion that I gave my Dad(KR taildragger) after he lost a prop at >startup. >>For taildraggers only... use a bungee cord hooked onto your control stick to >>hold the stick back and the elevator down while on the ground. >> >> Bobby Muse(N122B) >> bmuse@mindspring.com >> Wimberly, TX >> >Tail down, Bobby, elevator up! > >Brian > > Now that's why I fly with a training wheel up front....... Well,anyway, it works for him. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:02:36 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: vert members done It is all fun to me. Your project is looking nice. I just need to find time to head down your way. John F. Esch Ross Youngblood wrote: > John, > Gussets can be a royal pain. I think there are over 2 million > gussets in the KR fuselage. I used to keep a running talley of > how many gussets I did over a weekend... 30, 50, 60. This way > I knew I was making progress. This can be a letdown after the > quick visual impact of having the sides done... the cross members > also need gussets. > > -- Regards > Ross > > John F. Esch wrote: > > > > Just finished the verticle and x-verticle members on the ride side > > fuselage. Now is to tackle the gussets. The second side is moving > > right along due to having a template already. Woo hoo! Having fun > now! > > > > John F. Esch, KR-2SSW > > http://www.cyberis.net/~sesch > > Salem, OR > > -- > > Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE > PIN#895-9073 > Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x > 1632 > Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area > code) > Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:05:06 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: Humor- no archive I ought to use some of these lines on my pilots at work. :-) John F. Esch Salem, OR KR2-SSW Oscar Zuniga wrote: > >Real stories from Flight Attendants apologizing for rough transport > on > the airlines..... > > Upon landing hard, the pilot gets on the PA system, "Sorry folks for > the > hard landing. It wasn't the pilot's fault, and it wasn't the plane's > fault. It was the asphalt." > > An airline pilot wrote that on this particular flight he had hammered > his ship into the runway really hard. The airline had a policy which > required the first officer to stand at the door while the passengers > exited, give a smile, and a "Thanks for flying XYZ airline." He said > that in light of his bad landing, he had > a hard time looking the passengers in the eye, thinking that someone > would have a smart comment. Finally everyone had gotten off except for > > this little old lady walking with a cane. She said, "Sonny, mind if I > ask you a question?" > "Why no Ma'am," said the pilot, "what is it?" The little old lady > said, > "Did we land or were we shot down?" > > >From a disgruntled Southwest Airlines employee.... "Welcome aboard > Southwest Flight XXX, to YYY. To operate your seatbelt, insert the > metal > tab into the buckle, and pull tight. It works just like every other > seatbelt, and if you > don't know how to operate one, you probably shouldn't be out in public > > unsupervised. In the event of a sudden loss of cabin pressure, oxygen > masks will descend from the ceiling. Stop screaming, grab the mask, > and > pull it over your face. If you have a small child traveling with you, > secure your mask before assisting with theirs. If you are traveling > with > two small children, decide > now which one you love more. Weather at our destination is 50 degrees > with some broken clouds, but they'll try to have them fixed before we > arrive. Thank you, and remember, noboby loves you, or your money, more > > than Southwest Airlines." > > United Airlines FA: "Ladies and Gentlemen, as you are all now > painfully > aware, our Captain has landed in Seattle. From all of us at United > Airlines we'd > like to thank you for flying with us today and please be very careful > as > you open the overhead bins as you may be killed by falling luggage > that > shifted during our so called "touch down." > > About 5 or 6 years ago I was on an American Airlines flight into > Amarillo, Texas, on a particularly windy and bumpy day. I could tell > during the final that the Captain was really having to fight it, and > after an extremely hard landing, > the Flight Attendant came on the PA and announced, "Ladies and > Gentlemen, welcome to Amarillo. Please remain in your seats with your > seatbelts fastened while the Captain taxis what's left of our airplane > > to the gate!" > > Another flight Attendant's comment on a less than perfect landing: "We > > ask you to please remain seated as Captain Kangaroo bounces us to the > terminal." > > Landing: a controlled mid-air collision with a planet. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:08:18 -0500 From: "Benny Skyn" Subject: KR: Re: Re: my wood arrived today - -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Monday, March 16, 1998 10:05 PM Subject: KR: Re: my wood arrived today >Richard Parker wrote: > >>My wood arrived today and I have no interruptions for this weekend. > >I hate to break this to ya, but you're gonna need a little more than this >weekend... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >email at langford@hiwaay.net >KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford > a little after one year of beginning my h-stabilizer, the elevator is almost done. I've done some interesting work on constructing a removable hinge access glass block in my leading edge. It cost me 4 +- 1'' aluminum screws in added weight but I would really love to be able to see my hinge bolts every now and then, so now I can!!! Getting back to Mark's comment YOU ARE MOST CORRECT, SIR! >Benjamin Ackison(Benny Skyn), Knoxville, Tn >email skyn@vic.com >kr1 possibly no flaps??? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:51:48 -0600 From: Ed Janssen Subject: KR: Drilling 4130 FYI, Talked with a guy the other day who has been drilling lots of holes in 4130 tubing (building 5 ultralights at the same time - new design) . Thought I had remembered some threads about this subject on the KRnet some time ago. Anyway, he's been using a brand of bit called Turbomax, put out by American Tool, Wilmington, Ohio 45177-2363. The bits have a self-centering point. According to him, he's been drilling at least 60-70 holes per bit using his drill press with some lubrication. The bits are about two bucks each and available most anywhere, according to him. Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:09:12 -0500 From: msharkey@softarc.com (Mike Sharkey) Subject: KR: Ablle Aircraft Engine Co. Does anyone know about or had any experience with Able Experimental Aircraft Co. VW conversion engines? They're claiming to be getting 100HP@3000RPM from a 2.1 litre and 120HP@3000RPM from a 2.4 litre. Does anyone know if these guys are for real of have had any experience with these motors? see http://www.altimizer.com/engine_specs.html Mike Sharkey X11 Development SoftArc Inc. http://www.softarc.com/~msharkey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:29:28 EST From: Horn2004 Subject: Re: KR: etching glass In a message dated 3/16/98 5:01:16 PM, you wrote: <> Lessee =96 thought he might have the sense to use some gloves if he uses = acids.=0A;-) There are also less caustic etching mediums available in your local craft= =0Astore. Or you could simply bead blast the surface. Or...(the list goes= on). Steve Horn Dallas, TX ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:04:38 -0600 From: Brian J Bland Subject: KR: Old newsletters Anybody still wanting a copy of the old newsletters send Rex Ellington a direct e-mail at "Rex Ellington" . First one to send it will get it first. Brian J Bland Claremore, OK Another proud member of the Area51 BBA! bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:20:10 -0600 From: brian whatcott Subject: Re: KR: etching glass At 10:29 3/17/98 EST, you wrote: > >In a message dated 3/16/98 5:01:16 PM, you wrote: > ><That's the stuff that Randy's recent "viton" note was about - eating >peoples' fingers....>> > >Lessee =96 thought he might have the sense to use some gloves if he uses acids. >;-) > >There are also less caustic etching mediums available in your local craft >store. Or you could simply bead blast the surface. Or...(the list goes on). > >Steve Horn >Dallas, TX > I'm not talking about a level of caution appropriate to handling acids. More like nerve gas. Or Ebola.... I'm talking like TWO pairs of gloves - immediate rinsing of contamination,= =20 all that jazz... Here's the gotcha: you get a little contamination down your finger nail. You can hardly feel it - at first, so you swill it off. Then several hours later, the finger starts throbbing BAD! You find that the only way to get a little rest that night is sleeping with your finger in a bowl of ice water. And the NEXT night, and maybe=20 a third night. That's if you get lucky, like me, and don't need the amputation.... I've heard of people using a dilute solution to clean skylights.=20 Now that is dicing with death, I'd think! Brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:48:06 -0600 From: "Thomas J. Towle" Subject: Re: KR: KR side stick- my vote Bobby Muse wrote: > > At 06:41 PM 3/15/98 -0600, you wrote: > >At 17:33 3/15/98 -0600, you wrote: > > > >>A suggestion that I gave my Dad(KR taildragger) after he lost a prop at > >startup. > >>For taildraggers only... use a bungee cord hooked onto your control stick to > >>hold the stick back and the elevator down while on the ground. > >> > >> Bobby Muse(N122B) > >> bmuse@mindspring.com > >> Wimberly, TX > >> > >Tail down, Bobby, elevator up! > > > >Brian > > > > > Now that's why I fly with a training wheel up front....... Well,anyway, it > works for him. > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX Bobby, I knew what you meant (^-^)!!! Tom Towle towlet@sprintmail.com Mineola, TX P.S. If you know of a good flying KR2 or S out there, please let me or "them" know. I'm anxious to get flying again (retired Army pilot). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:58:52 EST From: Kr2dream Subject: Re: KR: KRNET Donation address Ross: Thanks for posting the address again. My check is in the mail. Bob Lasecki Chicago - 650 hours and still building! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:17:06 -0500 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re: Ablle Aircraft Engine Co. by the looks of their web page it looks like the only thing they have available are cranks and carburetors. The rest looks like vaporware. 200 hp VW's ? maybe with Nitrous AARP (the Association for the Advancement of Richard Parker) - -----Original Message----- From: Mike Sharkey To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 10:14 AM Subject: KR: Ablle Aircraft Engine Co. >Does anyone know about or had any experience with Able Experimental Aircraft >Co. VW conversion engines? They're claiming to be getting 100HP@3000RPM from a >2.1 litre and 120HP@3000RPM from a 2.4 litre. Does anyone know if these guys >are for real of have had any experience with these motors? see >http://www.altimizer.com/engine_specs.html > >Mike Sharkey >X11 Development >SoftArc Inc. >http://www.softarc.com/~msharkey > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:09:58 EST From: MikeT nyc Subject: Re: KR: Venturis >FWIW- There is a piece on making a "submerged" venturi in the wing root >fillet area, in one of the old Newsletters. The drawings are kind of >crude, but the backup documentation is there. Problem is, as I recall- >it only pulls enough to run one instrument. That would be turn 'n' >bank? Oh, yeah- it also takes quite a bit of glassing-in to fair it in >right. I had thought about the exhaust/cooling air/intake manifold >thing too, but when the engine's not running high speed, you don't have >much vacuum. I thought this was a cool idea when I saw it. I guess you could make a bigger venturi if you need more vacuum, or even glass a purchased one in place. To be really spiffy, you could arrange for some of the cabin heat to warm an internal venturi and prevent icing. All this is daydreaming for mea anyway, since I wouldn't want gyro instruments, except maybe an electric turn coordinator. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:05:50 EST From: XZOSTD1 Subject: KR: Deployable Venturi How about mounting a venturi on a belly board arrangement that allows you to spin the venturi into the airstream or into the plane as desired. Kind of like the bookcase that spins into the wall, hiding the secret passage in a horror movie. As a conservative 500 hr Cherokee owner-pilot I won't fly without a vacumn horizon and a electric turn coordinator as a backup.( But I also won't be in a experimental unless it has a ballistic chute)(Too busy for funerals) Bill Huntley KR2S Green Bay, WI ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 06:35:27 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Subaru/redrive video Hello, Netters I got an info pack from Reductions, Inc.- maker of HTD belt redrives and conversions. It included a video which I thought was pretty interesting. Dave Johnson, owner of the company, puts out the info. He says in the video that he first started out in development so he could install the Subaru in his KR, so obviously he has experience with mounts, carbs, exhaust, etc. to fit the KR. The video deals quite a bit with Subaru EA-81 and -82 conversions and redrives, but also includes the drives and conversions which Dave has on the 3- and 4-cyl. Geo and Suzuki engines which are really sweet looking little engines. The larger 4-cyl. engines (1.6L?) are the ones used on the scale replica P-38 which was written up last year in one of the magazines, and there is sound with video of this engine running. Also sound with video of all the conversions, which is nice. (Also sound with video of the shop bandsaw cutting off excess bellhousing from the Subaru- hurts your ears, just like in the real shop!) The little 1.0L 3-cyl. Metro engine is being used in the 5151 and other light aircraft, and is a tres cool little mill, IMHO. There is some footage of a KR with a Subaru/Reductions conversion, as well as a 'round-the patch' flight with Folis Jones in his EA-81 Murphy Renegade. There is lots of close-up and detailed views of engine mounts for the Subaru conversions, as well as carb, exhaust, etc. The redrive for the Subaru EA-81 is about $1600; those for larger engines are more. I can loan out this video to anybody who is interested; e-mail me privately. Since Dave only charges $6 for the info pack, I know he can't be making any money on it. But if you want your own info pack, e-mail me and I'll give you his address in Canada. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:56:22 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Deployable Venturi At 09:05 AM 3/18/98 EST, you wrote: >How about mounting a venturi on a belly board arrangement that allows you to >spin the venturi into the airstream or into the plane as desired.>>>> I don't know man, all this talk on gyros sounds like a waste of time, money, and weight to me! In all the time I spent flying MVFR very rarely did I resort to the gauges. Plus if you don't have gyros you will be less tempted to go where you don't belong. Remember its just an opinion and its not worth what you paid for it! :o) I agree however an electric turn and bank would be nice. Planned instrumentation on my project is Airspeed, ROC, Compass, Altitude. That's all, plane (pun) and simple! Final mounting of the outer wing spars will occur on Thursday and we are planning a trip to the foam factory to get the styrene for the wings! Woo Hoo! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Proud Member of the Area51 BBA mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims Mirror site at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:41:05 EST From: RFreibe131 Subject: Re: KR: Deployable Venturi I, on the other hand, have foolishly gotten into the position of needing at least a turn and bank gyro. It was easy to screw up; I was grateful to have it. My choice; go electric and avoid the need for it. Ron Freiberger been there,done that ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:31:47 -0600 From: Ed Janssen Subject: KR: Balancing Anyone have experience with dynamically balancing a prop with an engine? I've heard from one source that it's the way to go. Supposedly really smooths out the engine/prop configuration and probably eases the load on the crank. Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:42:43 -0500 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re: Urethane vs styrofoam I've seen some people using styrofoam FB and others using urethane foam in their tail groups. Tha advantages I see to Styrofoam is it availablility locally and I dont have to pay shipping. I can only get foil faced urethane locally. Fuel compatability shouldnt be an issue in the tail group otherwise I've got big problems. I'm sure you all have thoughts on the subject. Dow is sending me the technical specs. Compressive strenght etc. Richard Parker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:10:02 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: Re: Urethane vs styrofoam Richard: I just finished glassing my elevator and stabilizer and I used extruded styrofoam. I did a number of tests for stiffness and the styrofoam was 25% stiffer then the urethane. This was done with one, two, and three layers of glass over foam. I only tested stiffness, the peel strength may be less. I will be using urethane on my wings since I will have fuel in them. For what its worth. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field mr.marvin@worldnet.att.net - -------------------- Richard Parker wrote: > > I've seen some people using styrofoam FB and others using urethane foam in > their tail groups. Tha advantages I see to Styrofoam is it availablility > locally and I dont have to pay shipping. I can only get foil faced urethane > locally. Fuel compatability shouldnt be an issue in the tail group > otherwise I've got big problems. > > I'm sure you all have thoughts on the subject. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:24:25 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Balancing At 07:31 AM 3/19/98 -0600, you wrote: >Anyone have experience with dynamically balancing a prop with an engine?>>> I have flown a few planes that have had this done and yes it is wonderful! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims Proud Member of the Area 51 BBA mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/mikemims mirror site at : http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:41:37 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Parachutes I was on the big MD-80 airplane last night rifling through the Aircraft Spruce Catalog. I stopped on Parachutes. It looks like a parachute will run about $1200 or so, and I have been considering purchasing one for the test flight phase, and perhaps for those long cross countries over the mountains. (I don't have a BRS). I found a nifty site for sport parachutes this morning at http://www.skydiversdepot.com, if you check the company info, I think you can get a fleet of HumVees as the parent company also exports military supplies. At any rate it appears that if I buy the correct chute, I could sky surf on my way down. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:55:48 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Another Parachute Site Here is another 'chute site. http://www.strongparachutes.com They build parachutes used by Warbird, Sailplane and Aerobatic pilots. And you can also buy the chutes from Aircraft Spruce. Nice color photos! -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:57:55 -0500 From: msharkey@softarc.com (Mike Sharkey) Subject: KR: Re: KR Parachutes owner-krnet-l@teleport.com writes: >I was on the big MD-80 airplane last night rifling through the Aircraft >Spruce Catalog. I stopped on Parachutes. It looks like a parachute >will run about $1200 or so, and I have been considering purchasing one >for the test flight phase, and perhaps for those long cross countries >over the mountains. (I don't have a BRS). Just make sure your canopy can open even when inverted at high speed! A former member of my glider club recently got into a midair during a competition and lost her entire tail section -- she was wearing a chute. During the resulting high speed descent, she was unable to open her forward opening canopy due to the presure from an inverted high speed descent. Luckly, her card wasn't up as she hit some tree branches that broke her fall, then landed inverted with the nose and remaining tail section suspending the canopy over a ditch, she was up busted up pretty good, but she's ok. The point is, she was wearing a chute, but couln't exit the aircraft due to the canopy configuration. Mike Sharkey X11 Development SoftArc Inc. http://www.softarc.com/~msharkey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:05:37 -0600 (CST) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR Parachutes On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Mike Sharkey wrote: > owner-krnet-l@teleport.com writes: > >I was on the big MD-80 airplane last night rifling through the Aircraft > >Spruce Catalog. I stopped on Parachutes. It looks like a parachute > >will run about $1200 or so, and I have been considering purchasing one > >for the test flight phase, and perhaps for those long cross countries > >over the mountains. (I don't have a BRS). > > Just make sure your canopy can open even when inverted at high speed! A former > member of my glider club recently got into a midair during a competition and > lost her entire tail section -- she was wearing a chute. During the resulting > high speed descent, she was unable to open her forward opening canopy due to > the presure from an inverted high speed descent. Luckly, her card wasn't up as > she hit some tree branches that broke her fall, then landed inverted with the > nose and remaining tail section suspending the canopy over a ditch, she was up > busted up pretty good, but she's ok. The point is, she was wearing a chute, > but couln't exit the aircraft due to the canopy configuration. > I have been thinking about this too as I am planning on a forward hinged canopy. My thoughts are to use some type of removable pin through the front hinge. To get out, blow the canopy by pulling the pin and then you follow the canopy. Steve Eberhart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:07:16 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Flight Suite Website For the Best Dressed Test Pilot... New & Used Nomex Flight Suits http://www.imsplus.com/ims27.html Can you tell I'm getting psyched up! -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:25:11 EST From: KR2 616TJ Subject: Re: KR: Flight Suite Website In a message dated 98-03-19 14:16:08 EST, you write: << For the Best Dressed Test Pilot... New & Used Nomex Flight Suits http://www.imsplus.com/ims27.html Can you tell I'm getting psyched up! -- Ross >> Boy Ross, at least you will look the part as you strut across the "tarmac". P.S. Don't tell anyone, but can I borrow the chute and suit come my turn this summer. I wash the suit afterwards. Reminds me of the used Iraq tank commanders underware for sale.......slightly soiled. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:00:38 -0600 (CST) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: Flight Suite Website On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, KR2 616TJ wrote: > In a message dated 98-03-19 14:16:08 EST, you write: > > << > For the Best Dressed Test Pilot... > > New & Used Nomex Flight Suits > http://www.imsplus.com/ims27.html > > Can you tell I'm getting psyched up! > > -- Ross >> > > Boy Ross, at least you will look the part as you strut across the "tarmac". > > P.S. Don't tell anyone, but can I borrow the chute and suit come my turn this > summer. I wash the suit afterwards. Reminds me of the used Iraq tank > commanders underware for sale.......slightly soiled. > Is the start of the traveling test flight kit :-) Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:48:17 -0500 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR Parachutes > From: Steven A Eberhart > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR Parachutes > Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 2:05 PM > > On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Mike Sharkey wrote: > > > owner-krnet-l@teleport.com writes: > > >I was on the big MD-80 airplane last night rifling through the Aircraft > > >Spruce Catalog. I stopped on Parachutes. It looks like a parachute > > >will run about $1200 or so, and I have been considering purchasing one > > >for the test flight phase, and perhaps for those long cross countries > > >over the mountains. (I don't have a BRS). > I have been thinking about this too as I am planning on a forward hinged > canopy. My thoughts are to use some type of removable pin through the > front hinge. To get out, blow the canopy by pulling the pin and then you > follow the canopy. > > Steve Eberhart one wing just departed your airplane, (which takes you a few seconds to realize becasue your stomach is in your throat) you are spinning fast, you are gonna pull the hinge pin, watch the canopy fly off, (which takes your tail off) you are going to undo your seat belt. pull your legs out from under the panel, hoist your self up onto the seat, ( after that big breakfast which is protruding from your stomach) jump away from the plane ( probably straight toward the ground if you arent there already) Pull your chute. ( which may of may not be the first time in your life, if you remembered to put it on) you do all that from 3000' I'd think about a BRS or just plan on riding the sucker in. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:59:20 EST From: ECLarsen81 Subject: Re: KR: Flight Suite Website In a message dated 98-03-19 16:05:39 EST, you write: << > > Can you tell I'm getting psyched up! > > -- Ross >> > > Boy Ross, at least you will look the part as you strut across the "tarmac". > > P.S. Don't tell anyone, but can I borrow the chute and suit come my turn this > summer. I wash the suit afterwards. Reminds me of the used Iraq tank > commanders underware for sale.......slightly soiled. > Is the start of the traveling test flight kit :-) >> Ross, Make sure you get the Dirt brown or Dessert Camo colors! :-) Ed Larsen Ypsi, MI ECLarsen81@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:15:39 -0600 From: "Thomas J. Towle" Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR Parachutes Richard Parker wrote: > > > From: Steven A Eberhart > > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > > Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR Parachutes > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 2:05 PM > > > > On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Mike Sharkey wrote: > > > > > owner-krnet-l@teleport.com writes: > > > >I was on the big MD-80 airplane last night rifling through the > Aircraft > > > >Spruce Catalog. I stopped on Parachutes. It looks like a parachute > > > >will run about $1200 or so, and I have been considering purchasing one > > > >for the test flight phase, and perhaps for those long cross countries > > > >over the mountains. (I don't have a BRS). > > > I have been thinking about this too as I am planning on a forward hinged > > canopy. My thoughts are to use some type of removable pin through the > > front hinge. To get out, blow the canopy by pulling the pin and then you > > > follow the canopy. > > > > Steve Eberhart > > one wing just departed your airplane, (which takes you a few seconds to > realize becasue your stomach is in your throat) > you are spinning fast, > you are gonna pull the hinge pin, watch the canopy fly off, (which takes > your tail off) > you are going to undo your seat belt. > pull your legs out from under the panel, > hoist your self up onto the seat, ( after that big breakfast which is > protruding from your stomach) > jump away from the plane ( probably straight toward the ground if you arent > there already) > Pull your chute. ( which may of may not be the first time in your life, if > you remembered to put it on) > > you do all that from 3000' > > I'd think about a BRS or just plan on riding the sucker in. Hey, wait a minute...the sucker's on fire at 3000'...and I'm over the mountains and it's gettin' dark!!! I'd plan on a decent back pack chute. Really! Tom Towle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:58:58 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Venturis Oscar, In my case I have an electric Turn & Bank, so the vacuum would be for the HSI gyro. - -- Ross Oscar Zuniga wrote: > FWIW- There is a piece on making a "submerged" venturi in the wing root > fillet area, in one of the old Newsletters. The drawings are kind of > crude, but the backup documentation is there. Problem is, as I recall- > it only pulls enough to run one instrument. That would be turn 'n' > bank? Oh, yeah- it also takes quite a bit of glassing-in to fair it in > right. I had thought about the exhaust/cooling air/intake manifold > thing too, but when the engine's not running high speed, you don't have > much vacuum. > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:02:43 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Weekend Photo Shot Jeff, Thanks for the words of encouragement, they go a LONG way to helping keep the motivation going. I had several leaks at flared fittings, but a major one at some unions to the automotive filter I'm using. I'm considering using the dreaded teflon tape on the short threaded brass fittings if I can't get it sealed otherwise. - -- Ross Jeffrey E Scott wrote: > More good progress Ross. I think the fuel leak and one wiring mistake is > a requisite before you can fly. Personally, I gave my generator circut > breaker a good ops check for the wiring error. > > I think I counted 11 fuel leaks the first time I fueled my plane. They > were all in flared fittings that required a little tightening to seal. > Haven't leaked since. > > Regards, > > Jeff > ------- > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > jscott.pilot@juno.com > See N1213W construction and first flight at > http://home.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: > //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > > On Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:15:31 -0800 Ross Youngblood > writes: > >The latest photo of my project is available at > >http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RYmain.htm > >I was unable to get the engine cranked over on Saturday. A fuel leak > >and > >a couple of minor electrical problems all stacked up and I decided > >that > >once I had run the battery down, that was enough for one day. > > > >No... I wasn't cranking the engine over like crazy. I had a new > >battery > > > >and charged it for 3 hours, then proceed to drain the life from it > >checking > >out the electrical system with a volt meter before I even cranked it > >over. Turns out the right engine boost pump wiring is hosed. However > >the circuit breaker works! I love it when a plan comes together. > > > >Unfortunately, I have a fuel leak at the firewall (cockpit side), > >where > >one of > >the fuel filters is. This was the primary reason I didn't get the > >engine purring > >last weekend. I hope to correct these bugs by next weekend. > > > >Also the wings come home for some needed filling & sanding, then > >paint. > >Ailerons and Flaps go in after that, and then... well it should be > >flyable > >by then. Did I mention the cowling needs filling & sanding too? > > > > -- Regards > > Ross > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:03:00 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: my wood arrived today Richard, Sounds great... I'm taking my wife to the coast this weekend. Building up points so I can fire up the engine in two weeks. - -- Ross Richard Parker wrote: > My wood arrived today and I have no interruptions for this weekend. > > I dont remember being this excited when I got the wood for my > deck.AARP > (the Association for the Advancement of Richard Parker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:06:21 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: Flight Suite Website I have mine already John F. Esch Salem, OR Ross Youngblood wrote: > For the Best Dressed Test Pilot... > > New & Used Nomex Flight Suits > http://www.imsplus.com/ims27.html > > Can you tell I'm getting psyched up! > > -- Ross > > -- > > Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE > PIN#895-9073 > Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x > 1632 > Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area > code) > Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:21:03 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Re: Urethane vs styrofoam As far as I know, Ken Rand used styrofoam on the original KR-1. I don't see a problem with using styrofoam, except it is a bit harder to shape than the urethane, but you have less dust. -- Ross Richard Parker wrote: > I've seen some people using styrofoam FB and others using urethane foam in > their tail groups. Tha advantages I see to Styrofoam is it availablility > locally and I dont have to pay shipping. I can only get foil faced urethane > locally. Fuel compatability shouldnt be an issue in the tail group > otherwise I've got big problems. > > I'm sure you all have thoughts on the subject. > > Dow is sending me the technical specs. Compressive strenght etc. > > > Richard Parker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:22:05 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: [Fwd: Aluminum Forsale] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------4A8F77169B97FC0F375D4611 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This looks to be a COOL site. I got it from the Oregon EAA mailing list. - --------------4A8F77169B97FC0F375D4611 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by mail1 for rossy (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.21 1997/08/10) Thu Mar 19 15:55:43 1998) X-From_: owner-oregon-eaa@scraps.dnc.net Thu Mar 19 07:25:41 1998 Return-Path: owner-oregon-eaa@scraps.dnc.net Received: from sherman.dnc.net (sherman.dnc.net [206.58.127.11]) by smtp3.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01277; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:25:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from scraps.dnc.net ([206.58.127.13]) by sherman.dnc.net (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA315; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:27:37 -0800 Received: by scraps.dnc.net ($Revision: 1.37.109.9 $/15.5+IOS 3.22[SMTP-rly]+CV 1.0leaf) id AA0966714243; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:20:03 -0800 Received: from sherman.dnc.net by scraps.dnc.net with SMTP ($Revision: 1.37.109.9 $/15.5+IOS 3.22[SMTP-rly]+CV 1.0leaf) id AA0966314236; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:19:56 -0800 Received: from mailgw00.execpc.com ([169.207.16.5]) by sherman.dnc.net (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA540 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:27:28 -0800 Received: from 1design (pliomastodon.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.70.154]) by mailgw00.execpc.com (8.8.8) id JAA28243 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:20:30 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3511377A.1389@mousebar.com> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:19:22 -0600 From: Jim Reply-To: jaba@mousebar.com Organization: The Mousebar Company http://www.mousebar.com/fhome X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: oregon-eaa@dnc.net Subject: Aluminum Forsale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-oregon-eaa@scraps.dnc.net Precedence: bulk Hello, We have FORTAL Aluminum cut offs in hundreds of sizes at our web site stock list. http://www.mousebar.com/fhome.html FORTAL meets or exceeds Spec. 7075-T651 alloy. 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