From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 4:19 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #68 krnet-l-digest Thursday, April 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 068 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:11:33 -0300 From: Renato Leonardo Thiel Subject: [none] Hi Guys! I=B4m new over here and hope anybody could explain me about this newsletters. The plans arrived two weeks ago and i plan to begin fuselage in May, at the latest June cause i=B4ll be busy until.=20 Al, Congratulations for first fligth, hope in four or five years i will do the same... Renato L. Thiel Mailto renato_thiel@datasul.com.br Phone: +55 047 441 7000 Fax: +55 047 441 7070 still in BRAZIL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 18:22:00 EDT From: leperkins@juno.com (Lloyd Perkins,Jr.) Subject: KR: Help in Orlando Does anyone live in the Orlando Area??? If so please respond at this address LEPERKINS@JUNO.COM Thanks, _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 19:35:53 -0400 From: Tom Andersen Subject: Re: KR: Aileron Control Parley, That's a fast cruise for an 1835 cc VW. What prop size and brand do you use? I've got an 1835 cc GP VW, normal aspirated engine. Do you have the KR-2 in the stock fuselage length? - -Tom Parley T. Byington wrote: > Mike > > I have the standard wings built from the plans. I don't have any > prefabricated parts on my bird unless you count the canopy and the gear > castings. > > The aileron feel is neither heavy or extremely light. I do get good > feed back at differing speeds. The responsiveness seems to get soft > when slow flighting as one might expect. This causes an adrenalin rush > sometimes when coming in slow in gusty weather and the wing drops and > seems to be a little slow recovering. > > Overall the plane handles pretty well but I wouldn't recommend it to a > very low time pilot. I have noticed that it doesn't seem to want to > ground loop like a lot of tail draggers do. I pretty well taught > myself how to fly in taildraggers in this bird. If I could change the > control feel I would like to reverse the pitch and the roll. Otherwise > have a little less pitch response and about the same amount more roll > response. Hope this is of some use. > > Let me know if you need any more information I may be able to provide. > By the way my bird is pretty well built from the plans with few > modifications. I am using a 1835 single ignition (mag) with a Ray Jay > turbo charger. It cruises at about 160-165 mph at 3500 rpm and 34 > inches of map. I can carry 18 gal of fuel in the header tank and I > designed my own capacitive fuel gauge which is accurate to within .5 > gal. > > Hope to see ya in the air soon > Parley (N54PB) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 20:52:32 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: '99 Gathering At 05:36 PM 4/7/98 PDT, you wrote: > > >If the Gathering goes to Rough River, Dana will volunteer to do a >workshop on "Creative Ways to Do Your Taxes", right Dana? ;o) > >Oscar Zuniga > Boy, the last time we went to Rough River, the park rangers made us stop doing high speed flybys or low passes because the people on the golf course complained about the noise. Also, the runway is a little short(2500') and running down hill to the west. How about Kentucky Dam State Park? Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 21:06:22 -0700 From: Mel Poradun Subject: KR: landing light page > I have posted the landing light info on the following link. http://home1.gte.net/mporadun/landinglite.html Mel Poradun Ferndale, WA KR2S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 23:26:23 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Aileron Control Parley, Thanks for the post RE handling. ! - - Ross Parley T. Byington wrote: > Mike > > I have the standard wings built from the plans. I don't have any > prefabricated parts on my bird unless you count the canopy and the gear > castings. > > The aileron feel is neither heavy or extremely light. I do get good > feed back at differing speeds. The responsiveness seems to get soft > when slow flighting as one might expect. This causes an adrenalin rush > sometimes when coming in slow in gusty weather and the wing drops and > seems to be a little slow recovering. > > Overall the plane handles pretty well but I wouldn't recommend it to a > very low time pilot. I have noticed that it doesn't seem to want to > ground loop like a lot of tail draggers do. I pretty well taught > myself how to fly in taildraggers in this bird. If I could change the > control feel I would like to reverse the pitch and the roll. Otherwise > have a little less pitch response and about the same amount more roll > response. Hope this is of some use. > > Let me know if you need any more information I may be able to provide. > By the way my bird is pretty well built from the plans with few > modifications. I am using a 1835 single ignition (mag) with a Ray Jay > turbo charger. It cruises at about 160-165 mph at 3500 rpm and 34 > inches of map. I can carry 18 gal of fuel in the header tank and I > designed my own capacitive fuel gauge which is accurate to within .5 > gal. > > Hope to see ya in the air soon > Parley (N54PB) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 23:29:57 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Aileron Control The RV folks have a tip regarding the finish of the trailing edges of the ailerons. If your plane is out of trim, or the control response is to sharp. Smoothing, or sharpening the trailing edge seems to have a major impact. I don't recall the actual advice, but I think it was in a past Tech Counselor newsetter. Does anyone recall this? Tom Crawford wrote: > Micheal Mims wrote: > > > > At 09:15 PM 4/3/98 -0800, you wrote: > > >Mike > > > > > >I would like a little more roll rate in my KR-2 if I had it to do over > > >again, but overal it flys pretty well. > > > > > >Parley > > > > > > > Thanks for the reply. Do you have stock KR wings or Diehl skins? Do you > > think the amount of force required to bank the airplane is to light, to > > heavy, or just right? Again thanks! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Micheal Mims > > SP290 Spreading its Wings Soon! > > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > > Irvine Ca > > Fax 714.856.9417 > > Mike, > > The ailerons on my KR seem to be a little heavy, but I think it is a > relative thing- compared to the elevator. In my case I think it is the > way the control cable is routed, probably has more friction than is > needed. My overall impression is that the roll rate is fine, but the > control pressure is a little heavy. Stock KR with Deihl skins. > > Tom Crawford > tomc@afn.org > Gainesville, FL > N262TC 40 hours by Sun & Fun- or bust! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 23:38:50 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Flight Testing-update Cool! Tom Crawford wrote: > Friends, > > The flight testing of N262TC continues. I have found that the KR > responds well to a little tinkering and experimenting. > I recently re-shaped the lower cowl to allow a bigger air exit area for > better cooling, and added a different air intake for the carb. Next > time, I will not paint the plane until all flight testing is finished! > The Ellison is working fine now- it's just like everyone says, once you > get it adjusted properly for your plane, they are great. > I have some new performance numbers- although I think I can still do > better with some more "tweaking". > > 80 deg. OAT > 7000 ft. > Total Wt. 861 lbs. (plane, pilot, full fuel) > > 3100 RPM= 139 MPH > 3250 RPM= 153 MPH > 3400 RPM= 166 MPH > > Climb is still 11-1200fpm. (Steve B.- you were right, I prefer a climb > prop.) VY appears to be 90 MPH. > > Stall speed- somewhere less than 40mph indicated. > > It just keeps getting better. > > Tom Crawford > tomc@afn.org > Gainesville, FL > N262TC 32.4 hrs and counting. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 23:42:01 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Non US Citizen registering a US homebuilt I have a friend locally who has been building furiously on a Zenair Zodiac. Now he discovers that he can't register it in the US, as he is not a US citizen. Any ideas out there in KR land? I think he is British if that is of any use. - -- Regards Ross ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 23:53:40 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: [Fwd: Love of flying, can you relate to this] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------20F33A01946F4267C8B31F22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a terrific story from one of my friends in our local EAA chapter. I thought I would pass it on. - -- Regards Ross - --------------20F33A01946F4267C8B31F22 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by radius1 for rossy (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.21 1997/08/10) Wed Apr 8 23:22:35 1998) X-From_: artfish@proaxis.com Wed Apr 8 22:12:42 1998 Return-Path: artfish@proaxis.com Received: from brain.proaxis.com (brain.proaxis.com [206.163.142.1]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16315 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from artfish (pr01-43.proaxis.net [206.163.152.169]) by brain.proaxis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA11464; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980408221056.00f27ce4@proaxis.com> X-Sender: artfish@proaxis.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 22:10:56 -0700 To: swpc@pbm.com, or-captalk@peak.org, rossy@teleport.com, glastarnet@glastar.org, opa@dnc.net From: Art Fish Subject: Love of flying, can you relate to this Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" While working on an elderly gentlemans house today, it turns out he was the skipper of the USS Wasp, aircraft carrier, during the space capsule recovery in the 70' and has flown Coursairs (prop) and F8U corsairs and several others. Still watches Wings on the discovery channel every night and discussed making below minimum night landings on pitching aircraft carrier deck....adrenalin rush & couldn't sleep for the next 3 days etc. I mentioned that I had almost quit flying about 10 years ago after a bad BFR flight (my attitude...not the instructors) and had cut of the check ride in the middle of it with intention of "hanging it up". On return to FBO office, there was a 74 year old lady (I was about 45) that had JUST passed her private pilot checkride and that the next day I passed the "ride" no sweat. I did not know his wife was listening and she popped through the door, very excited, and said "Harold, that's how we can get back in the air, I can get MY license, and we can start flying again. (Harold has no hearing in one ear, and is slowly losing hearing in the other ear). His response was a question "You mean I might be able to fly again?", accompanied by the biggest grin I think I've ever seen. It would have made the kid in the candy store's grin look like a frown. His wife had never considered getting her own ticket, thinking she was "too old". About a half hour later, as I was leaving for another job, he told me "I think I'm going to have a hard time sleeping tonight". You could really tell that flying meant FAR more to him than most people would ever know.. If any of you happened to serve on the USS Wasp, or if you know anyone that did, please let me know. Art 9026D artfish@proaxis.com - --------------20F33A01946F4267C8B31F22-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:56:41 +1200 From: "DAVID STUART" Subject: KR: Jabiru Engines Hey guys. You have neglected to mention the beautiful part about Jabiru engines.When you purchase an engine you are told how much it will cost for a rebuild after you have done the stated hours And thats guaranteed in writing Regards.........Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:06:49 EDT From: KR2 616TJ Subject: Re: KR: '99 Gathering In a message dated 98-04-08 22:27:57 EDT, you write: << Boy, the last time we went to Rough River, the park rangers made us stop doing high speed flybys or low passes because the people on the golf course complained about the noise. Also, the runway is a little short(2500') and running down hill to the west. How about Kentucky Dam State Park? Bobby Muse(N122B) >> Bobby, since then they have added 700' to the end opposite the golf course to make it 3200'. I know, you used to have to flair over a tee box and send the golfers running.....it was kind of fun. I like the part about the park rangers' license plate beginning with kr1......he then made the statement "If that plate turns up missing I'll really be mad". Kentucky Dam Park 4000', same deal as Rough River, no need for a car and it's even a little more "west" as in Western Kentucky, M34. Dana Overall RIchmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 08:16:00 -0400 From: Patrick Flowers Subject: Re: KR: Non US Citizen registering a US homebuilt Ross Youngblood wrote: > > I have a friend locally who has been building furiously on a Zenair > Zodiac. Now he discovers that he can't register it in the US, as he > is not a US citizen. > > Any ideas out there in KR land? > > I think he is British if that is of any use. Ross, I'm not saying this isn't true, but it doesn't ring quite right. Where did he get this information? What is his current status? Resident aliens are generally afforded the same rights as citizens with a few exceptions. I've never heard of a DAR asking for proof of citizenship. He should call the local FSDO and ask them(in general terms - don't give them a name). If you want, I'll float this on rec.aviation.homebuilt and let you know what kind of responses I get. Patrick - -- Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 05:37:41 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Newsletter CD-ROM update Video Bob wrote: >Which reminds me. Are the old newsletters still going to show up on CD? = > I'm sure that it's a big project and I don't remember who was working = >on it. I'm still interested and would greatly appreciate an update. Yo, Bob- I am the guilty party. Right now, Kerry Miller and Curtis Wright (who has access to a high-speed scanner) are doing the scanning, as work allows. All of us seem to have gotten real busy shortly after jumping into the project, but it looks like the scanning will be done in a week or two. I have been gathering mailing addresses from all who requested a copy of the CD-ROM, and have gotten the mailing labels all prepared and the mailing packs set up. I am monkeying around with Adobe Acrobat to set up the indexing, and it will all come together fairly soon. Taxes and work are looming, so once that's over with it may go quicker. BTW- Mark Langford was 'right on' when he guessed at how many hours it would take to do this. Still consider it a labor of love, though! Tons of fun, really. I will post when it's about ready, and will privately e-mail everybody who requested one, as well as one last call for any others who are interested. Inflation and stock market developments, plus cost of my BFR, have slightly bloated the price to $198.99 plus shipping and handling per copy. Just kidding! Still hope to do it for $10-$15 each. ;o) Regards, Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:15:54 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: Flight Testing-update > Tom what prop did Steve B. recommend? I talked with him when I did my 2180 > upgrade and told him that I have a Sterba 54 X 46 and that I was wanting > (because everyone else was) to go with a 52X52 and he said don't add any pitch > that I would be looking at that 1200 fpm figure with the 54X46. I realize you > are running a type 4 but would be interested in the prop you are throwing now. > Sun & Fun is just around the corner, fly the xxxx out of it and I'll see you > there. > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ Dana, I think when every new KR builder is asked what kind of prop they want, thay will reply "a cruise prop", to get a higher top speed. Steve told me that eventually I would want a climb prop, and he was right again. With VW engines, you need to get all the rpm's to get full horsepower. On my plane, the max RPM now is 3500, but the difference in MPH between 3100 and 3500 is almost 30mph. This is with a 54" dia. x 48" pitch. Initially the prop was 54" dia. x 56" pitch. Top engine RPM was 3100 and top speed at this rpm was 140mph. Exactly the same as I get at that RPM now after having the pitch cut down. The difference is, now I have another 400 RPM, and another 30 MPH, and a much better climb rate. If you decide to get a new prop, I would be curious to find out how the 54x46 would perform on my plane. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:20:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: Jabiru Engines On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, DAVID STUART wrote: > Hey guys. > You have neglected to mention the beautiful part about Jabiru engines.When > you purchase an engine you are told how much it will cost for a rebuild > after you have done the stated hours And thats guaranteed in writing > Regards.........Dave > THis is copied from the FAQ on Europa Aircraft's web page: http://www.europa-aircraft.com What is your opinion of the Jabiru? The Jabiru produces 80 h.p., but only at 3,300 rpm - at this speed you need to use a smaller diameter propeller, which is less efficient. This would leave the Europa underpowered - for this reason the engine has not been considered suitable and we have not done any flight testing on this engine. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:42:53 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: Flight Testing-update Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > >3100 RPM= 139 MPH > >3250 RPM= 153 MPH > >3400 RPM= 166 MPH > > >Tom Crawford > > Yo, two-tango-charlie: > > I forgot if you already mentioned this; are these speeds IAS, or are you > getting them off a GPS or something? Just wondering if you've checked > the pitot-static system against anything. And what's your tach redlined > at? > > Thanks > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Oscar, The stated speeds are TAS. I beleive the pitot static system is fairly accurate, I have checked it with a GPS. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:39:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: Aileron Control On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, Ross Youngblood wrote: > The RV folks have a tip regarding the finish of the trailing edges of the > ailerons. If your plane is out of trim, > or the control response is to sharp. Smoothing, or sharpening the trailing > edge seems to have a major > impact. I don't recall the actual advice, but I think it was in a past Tech > Counselor newsetter. > > Does anyone recall this? Europa added the plastic slide on edge binders used for paper reports to the trailing edges of the stabilator anti-servo tabs to improve sensitivity. They found out thet with a sharp trailing edge it was in the boundry layer and didn't start becoming effective until the control surface moved enough to move out of the boundry layer. THe original condition with the sharp trailing edge was creating a degree of control response slop around neutral. Steve > > Tom Crawford wrote: > > > Micheal Mims wrote: > > > > > > At 09:15 PM 4/3/98 -0800, you wrote: > > > >Mike > > > > > > > >I would like a little more roll rate in my KR-2 if I had it to do over > > > >again, but overal it flys pretty well. > > > > > > > >Parley > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the reply. Do you have stock KR wings or Diehl skins? Do you > > > think the amount of force required to bank the airplane is to light, to > > > heavy, or just right? Again thanks! > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Micheal Mims > > > SP290 Spreading its Wings Soon! > > > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > > > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > > > Irvine Ca > > > Fax 714.856.9417 > > > > Mike, > > > > The ailerons on my KR seem to be a little heavy, but I think it is a > > relative thing- compared to the elevator. In my case I think it is the > > way the control cable is routed, probably has more friction than is > > needed. My overall impression is that the roll rate is fine, but the > > control pressure is a little heavy. Stock KR with Deihl skins. > > > > Tom Crawford > > tomc@afn.org > > Gainesville, FL > > N262TC 40 hours by Sun & Fun- or bust! > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:02:56 EDT From: RFreibe131 Subject: KR: Roll Rate / Edges I remember Ken Rand's airplane having aileron edges about .75 inches thick. Some guidelines suggest the control surface ought to be about 15 percent thicker than the primary surface at the hinge line. Maybe a super effort at edge crispness in counterproductive?? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:10:00 EDT From: RFreibe131 Subject: KR: Why Gussets? Does anyone know why all those little gussets are used, other than appearance? I have an OPINION that once the plywood is installed, the gussets are along for the ride. Also, in my plans, the top aft end of the boat is open, and there are no plywood gussets over the joints. In my opinion, that's very poor. Adding a package shelf obviously ameliorates the problem, or at least part of it. I'm curious about this issue, but my (purchased) project is already fully gusseted {;o)= Ron Freiberger... KR2+/- on the gear in Florida ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 07:27:12 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Jabiru Engines At 08:20 AM 4/9/98 -0500, you wrote: >The Jabiru produces 80 h.p., but only at 3,300 rpm - at this speed you >need to use a smaller diameter propeller, which is less efficient. This >would leave the Europa underpowered>>>> What a crock of crap! I am so tired of reading about small props being less efficient. What is a props primary job? To turn BHP into THRUST, that's it! If you read about props from various resources you will find there is a constant in all props (at least successful ones) and that is tip speed. If you stop to think about it a 15 inch prop and a 15 foot prop obviously turn at different rpms but guess what must remain the same between the two props for them both to be considered "efficient"? You got it, tip speed! This is why I never considered a Subaru with a reduction on the KR. The landing gear is just too darn short to allow a long enough prop (it would need to be about 85 inches long at the reduced prop RPM of the reduction unit) to be considered "efficient". For a successful prop install, do the math! Find your peak rpm for desired HP and start with a prop that will be 80% of mach at SL at that RPM. FYI: A 15 foot prop needs about 1000 rpm (Corsair F4-U) 80 inch prop needs to see about 2700 rpm. A 70 inch needs about 2850 and a 54 incher needs to be around 3450. Slow turning does NOT mean its more efficient! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims SP290 Spreading its Wings Soon! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 07:29:29 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Roll Rate / Edges At 10:02 AM 4/9/98 EDT, you wrote: >Maybe a super effort at edge crispness in counterproductive?? > > A blunt wide trailing edge will make the controls lighter (require less force) and cause them to be more effective. This is from the Lancair boys who's aileron trailing edges are about 1/2 inch thick! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims SP290 Spreading its Wings Soon! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:55:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: '99 Gathering On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, KR2 616TJ wrote: > In a message dated 98-04-08 22:27:57 EDT, you write: > > << Boy, the last time we went to Rough River, the park rangers made us stop > doing high speed flybys or low passes because the people on the golf course > complained about the noise. Also, the runway is a little short(2500') and > running down hill to the west. > > How about Kentucky Dam State Park? > > Bobby Muse(N122B) >> > > Bobby, since then they have added 700' to the end opposite the golf course to > make it 3200'. I know, you used to have to flair over a tee box and send the > golfers running.....it was kind of fun. I like the part about the park > rangers' license plate beginning with kr1......he then made the statement "If > that plate turns up missing I'll really be mad". Kentucky Dam Park 4000', > same deal as Rough River, no need for a car and it's even a little more "west" > as in Western Kentucky, M34. > Now we are talking here. Kentucky Dam Park just finished renovating all of their Executive Cottages and they are really beautiful. Each cottage has three bedrooms each with two double beds two baths large fully equiped kitchen and living room + large screen TV's. No camping out here, first rate all the way. THey also have smaller cottages and motel type rooms at the Lodge. Swimming, golfing, sail boating, water skiing, pontoon boats, house boats, wave runners and an airport - what more could a person ask for? Steve Eberhart (long grueling 1 1/2 hour drive away from Kentucky Dam Village. Go ahead and beat me, make me go) PS - I will mail the brochures for Kentucky Dam Village to Mark Langford for scanning and will put on my web page. And, what ever gave you the impression that I like this suggestion? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 07:33:23 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Why Gussets? At 10:10 AM 4/9/98 EDT, you wrote: >Also, in my plans, the top aft end of the boat is open, and there are no >plywood gussets over the joints. In my opinion, that's very poor. Adding a package shelf obviously ameliorates the problem, or at least part of it. > Built to plans, the top section of the fuselage towards the aft end was rather flimsy! I could grab the horizontal stab and flex the fuselage by moving it back and forth. I installed diagonal cross members all the way to the forward vertical fin post with large gussets and it made it VERY ridged! If I had it to do over again I would skin the top with a sheet of ply and cut out the ply between all the 5/8 spruce members. ALA WAR replicas. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims SP290 Spreading its Wings Soon! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:29:35 -0400 From: "Griffing, Bruce F (CRD)" Subject: KR: RE: Newsletter CD-ROM update Oscar- I am new to krnet. What is the deal on the CD - I would like to get one. Bruce Griffing > ---------- > From: Oscar Zuniga[SMTP:taildrags@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 8:37 AM > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: Newsletter CD-ROM update > > Video Bob wrote: > > >Which reminds me. Are the old newsletters still going to show up on > CD? = > > I'm sure that it's a big project and I don't remember who was working > = > >on it. I'm still interested and would greatly appreciate an update. > > Yo, Bob- > > I am the guilty party. Right now, Kerry Miller and Curtis Wright (who > has access to a high-speed scanner) are doing the scanning, as work > allows. All of us seem to have gotten real busy shortly after jumping > into the project, but it looks like the scanning will be done in a week > or two. I have been gathering mailing addresses from all who requested > a copy of the CD-ROM, and have gotten the mailing labels all prepared > and the mailing packs set up. I am monkeying around with Adobe Acrobat > to set up the indexing, and it will all come together fairly soon. > Taxes and work are looming, so once that's over with it may go quicker. > BTW- Mark Langford was 'right on' when he guessed at how many hours it > would take to do this. Still consider it a labor of love, though! Tons > of fun, really. I will post when it's about ready, and will privately > e-mail everybody who requested one, as well as one last call for any > others who are interested. Inflation and stock market developments, > plus cost of my BFR, have slightly bloated the price to $198.99 plus > shipping and handling per copy. > > Just kidding! Still hope to do it for $10-$15 each. ;o) > > Regards, > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:58:51 +0200 From: Michele Bucceri Subject: Re: KR: Why Gussets? RFreibe131 wrote: > > Does anyone know why all those little gussets are used, other than appearance? > I have an OPINION that once the plywood is installed, the gussets are along > for the ride. > I've the same opinion. I think that the gussets may be replaced with plywood triangle covering the joints. Less boring work, less time to build, less weight, but same glueing area. On the other side, I've took a look to four aerobatic airplanes (Avions Mudry CAP 10, CAP 20, CAP 21 and CAP231), the fuselage is entirely wood, and there are gussets + plywood triangle !! So really don't know what to do. In doubt, will leave the gussets. Ciao, Michele ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:20:53 From: "Troy Johnson" Subject: KR: My 2 cents Hey gang, On the issue of prop efficiencies with the Jabiru engines, I think the concern is the frontal area of the Europa is too large for the smaller diameter prop to operate at peak efficiency. Yes, theoretical efficiency of the prop is a function of the diameter, pitch and engine rpm, however its applicable efficiency will be different for each a/c..I think the Jabiru engine would be perfect for the KR, however the initial price still keeps me eyeballing the VW's. WIth regards to past conversations regarding balancing control surfaces to prevent flutter: Something we do on R/C aircraft is ensure the leading edge of the control surface is slightly larger than the trailing edge of the surface it is attached too. I do not know the theory behind this, maybe some of the engineers could elaborate, but it does help to reduce flutter on model aircraft, would this work on large a/c or would the drag penalties be to high????? Flame on.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:33:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: My 2 cents On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, Troy Johnson wrote: > > Hey gang, [snip info on another topic] > > WIth regards to past conversations regarding balancing control surfaces to > prevent flutter: Something we do on R/C aircraft is ensure the leading > edge of the control surface is slightly larger than the trailing edge of > the surface it is attached too. I do not know the theory behind this, > maybe some of the engineers could elaborate, but it does help to reduce > flutter on model aircraft, would this work on large a/c or would the drag > penalties be to high????? > > Flame on.... > no flames, what I think you are seeing it the effects of the boundry layer that is moving at a much reduced speed from the air just a little farther from the wing surface. A control surface operating in the boundry layer is going to have a "mushey" (technical term) effect until it moves into the faster moving air farther out from the surface. A thicker control surface would help here. IMNTHO (in my non technical humble opnion). Some of the technical heavy weights may be able to explain it better. RIchard, Mark, Ashok got your ears on? Steve Eberhart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 08:39:55 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: My 2 cents Troy Johnson wrote: Yes, theoretical efficiency > of the prop is a function of the diameter, pitch and engine rpm, however its applicable efficiency will be different for each a/c..>>> Yeah thats what I was trying to say! :o) Thanks Troy! (this is Mark Langfords favorite type of post!) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims SP290 Spreading its Wings Soon! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:10:37 EDT From: KR2 616TJ Subject: Re: KR: Flight Testing-update In a message dated 98-04-09 09:06:20 EDT, you write: << On my plane, the max RPM now is 3500, but the difference in MPH between 3100 and 3500 is almost 30mph. This is with a 54" dia. x 48" pitch. Initially the prop was 54" dia. x 56" pitch. Top engine RPM was 3100 and top speed at this rpm was 140mph. Exactly the same as I get at that RPM now after having the pitch cut down. The difference is, now I have another 400 RPM, and another 30 MPH, and a much better climb rate. If you decide to get a new prop, I would be curious to find out how the 54x46 would perform on my plane. Tom Crawford >> Tom, you blew it I tried to send you this prop when you were "down" there for a while :-)). Like Mike's post said, a 54 prop is looking for 3450 RPM, I'm going to give this prop a run and see how it does. I think it will work out fine with the 46 pitch on my engine and plane combination. If you want to give it a go though, I'll bring it with me to Sun & Fun and you can try it. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:14:19 EDT From: Steen8751A Subject: Re: KR: Help in Orlando Dave Blucher lives in Orlando and just completed a Subaru-powered KR2S last summer. However, I don't think he uses EMAIL. Doug Steen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:27:41 EDT From: HAshraf Subject: Re: KR: Jabiru Engines Does anybody knows a 120hp Jabriu (probably six cylinder) that is rumured to be coming out. It should be a nice fit in a KR-2S, ofcourse after a little strengthening of airframe :-) Haris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 18:54:38 -0400 From: "Joseph C. Ricks" Subject: KR: JABIRU FOR SALE, XPDR, other items Well, I'm bailing out of the construction business due to some personal developments. I have a new zero time Jabiru that was destined for my KR-2S sitting on an engine stand. With factory accessories and manuals....$6500.00 King xpdr (new, but will need mounting tray since I used the other one)...$700 I also have a bunch of other stuff which I'll itemize and list soon, including micro-flight engine instruments, nav/strobes, other junk. Joe Ricks McDonough, GA (south of Atlanta) jcricks@mindspring.com (easiest way to reach me) (770) 914-2167 (leave message) (770) 914-2242 (fax) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:13:57 -0400 From: "Mark Seastrand" Subject: Re: KR: landing light tip I was wondering if anybody has measured the luminance, footlamberts, of the landing lights. Sometimes you can get a better light that draws a lot less power, if the housing for light is properly designed for reflectance. - -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey E Scott To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 9:23 PM Subject: Re: KR: landing light tip > >On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:26:25 EDT KR2 616TJ writes: >>In a message dated 98-04-06 23:16:20 EDT, you write: >> >> >>Mark, when you get some time could you put a meter to those lights and >post >>the amps they pull? >> >>Dana Overall >> > >If you know the wattage (power) and you can assume 13.5 volts for your >system voltage, Watts / Volts = Current. > > >------- >Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM >jscott.pilot@juno.com >See N1213W construction and first flight at >http://home.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: >//www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:20:20 -0700 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: JABIRU FOR SALE, XPDR, other items oooo Nav/Strobes John F. Esch Salem, OR Joseph C. Ricks wrote: > Well, I'm bailing out of the construction business due to some > personal > developments. I have a new zero time Jabiru that was destined for my > KR-2S > sitting on an engine stand. With factory accessories and > manuals....$6500.00 > > King xpdr (new, but will need mounting tray since I used the other > one)...$700 > > I also have a bunch of other stuff which I'll itemize and list soon, > including micro-flight engine instruments, nav/strobes, other junk. > > Joe Ricks > McDonough, GA (south of Atlanta) > jcricks@mindspring.com (easiest way to reach me) > > (770) 914-2167 (leave message) > (770) 914-2242 (fax) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:15:06 -0400 From: "Mark Seastrand" Subject: Re: KR: KR newsletter I sure would appreciate a copy, thanks - -----Original Message----- From: John F. Esch To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 3:17 PM Subject: Re: KR: KR newsletter >Same here > >John F. Esch >jesch@cyberis.net > >David Moore wrote: > >> At 07:08 AM 4/3/98 -0600, you wrote: >> > >> >I have to plead guilty to not getting the East Coast newsletters sent >> >> >along to the next receipient. If you are East of Wichita get me your >> >> >address and the newsletters will be on their way to you. Also, >> anyone >> >else on the Right coast want the newsletters give a post and you will >> be >> >on the list. >> > >> >> Steve, >> If the offer still applies please put me on your list. >> >> Dave Moore >> >> David Moore >> Turnkey1@MSComm.Com >> Hesperia, Calif. >> > > > > ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #68 ****************************