From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Sunday, April 12, 1998 9:31 AM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #69 krnet-l-digest Sunday, April 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 069 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:40:09 EDT From: DFCPAC Subject: KR: max caulkin does anybody know how to get in touch with max? the kr2 i just bought fron lloyd in va. was originally finished by him, and i would like to talk to max about N28AK thanks, danny ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 20:09:39 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: My 2 cents Troy Johnson wrote: > > WIth regards to past conversations regarding balancing control surfaces to > prevent flutter: Something we do on R/C aircraft is ensure the leading > edge of the control surface is slightly larger than the trailing edge of > the surface it is attached too. I do not know the theory behind this, > maybe some of the engineers could elaborate, but it does help to reduce > flutter on model aircraft, would this work on large a/c or would the drag > penalties be to high????? There is a boundary layer of turbulent air that gets thicker the farther back you get on the wing. The reason that turbulent strips work to reduce drag is that they generate a thin layer of turbulent air. The turbulent air acts as a surface. The outer, smooth air, does not cross over that barrier and get to the wing surface and then become turbulent. The increased thickness of a control surface does the same thing. The control surface sticks out past the turbulent boundary layer and causes the airflow to reattach to the control surface. If the control surface is thinner than the airfoil in front, then there will be an eddy, similar to a stalled wing. This causing increased drag and disturbed air. The eddy can grow and shrink in a dynamic fashion. This can cause flutter. An alternate way to re-attach the airflow before getting to the control surface is to add vortex generators upstream of the control surface. They generate turbulent air that will re-attach to the wing surface prior to reaching the control surface. There are some good examples of this in different STOL kits that can be added to Spam cans. In those applications, the intention is to increase the control effectiveness at low speeds by ensuring the air is attached to the displaced control surface. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 19:44:31 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: '99 Gathering Sure sounds like a great location to me. However, a SE US location, in my opinion, should be somewhat later in the year (fall). Personally the heat and humidity of your summers is a killer. Maybe this site is not like that. Just another possible consideration. Ron Lee >Now we are talking here. Kentucky Dam Park just finished renovating all >of their Executive Cottages and they are really beautiful. Each cottage >has three bedrooms each with two double beds two baths large fully equiped >kitchen and living room + large screen TV's. No camping out here, first >rate all the way. THey also have smaller cottages and motel type rooms >at the Lodge. Swimming, golfing, sail boating, water skiing, pontoon >boats, house boats, wave runners and an airport - what more could a >person ask for? > >Steve Eberhart (long grueling 1 1/2 hour drive away from Kentucky Dam >Village. Go ahead and beat me, make me go) > > >PS - I will mail the brochures for Kentucky Dam Village to Mark Langford >for scanning and will put on my web page. And, what ever gave you the >impression that I like this suggestion? > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 20:53:06 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Re: Why Gussets? I think the primary reason for the gussets is to increase the surface area of the glue joint. It's obvious that the plywood skin does the real "gusseting" but the gussets triple the area of the joint. Since these joints are usually end grain, they're pretty weak without the help of the gussets. All the books say that the KR gusset is the way to go, with plywood easier to do but not as effective. If you've ever tried to bend a member that's only end glued, it will break the joint easily. Gussetted ones might break the member before the joint. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:10:21 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Re: max caulkin > does anybody know how to get in touch with max? the kr2 i just bought fron > lloyd in va. was originally finished by him, and i would like to talk to max > about N28AK Max's number is 501-426-5307. He's in Arkansas, probably in the basement building his new Glastar. I talked to him last Thursday when I was considering buying that plane. It was orignally built in 82 by somebody in Little Rock... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL email at langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project construction at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:04:03 EDT From: RFreibe131 Subject: Re: KR: JABIRU FOR SALE, XPDR, other items I'd like to have the transponder. Advise if I'm the first buyer Ron Freiberger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 22:57:37 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Non US Citizen registering a US homebuilt Patrick, Float it on the newsgroup and see what you find. He has a "significant other" who is a US citzizen who might be able to register it but other than that he is out of luck. -- Ross Patrick Flowers wrote: > Ross Youngblood wrote: > > > > I have a friend locally who has been building furiously on a Zenair > > Zodiac. Now he discovers that he can't register it in the US, as he > > is not a US citizen. > > > > Any ideas out there in KR land? > > > > I think he is British if that is of any use. > > Ross, > > I'm not saying this isn't true, but it doesn't ring quite right. Where > did he get this information? What is his current status? Resident > aliens are generally afforded the same rights as citizens with a few > exceptions. I've never heard of a DAR asking for proof of citizenship. > > He should call the local FSDO and ask them(in general terms - don't give > them a name). If you want, I'll float this on rec.aviation.homebuilt > and let you know what kind of responses I get. > > Patrick > -- > Patrick Flowers > Mailto:patri63@ibm.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 23:03:17 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Why Gussets? Micheal Mims wrote: > At 10:10 AM 4/9/98 EDT, you wrote: > >Also, in my plans, the top aft end of the boat is open, and there are no > >plywood gussets over the joints. In my opinion, that's very poor. Adding > a package shelf obviously ameliorates the problem, or at least part of it. > > > > Built to plans, the top section of the fuselage towards the aft end was > rather flimsy! I could grab the horizontal stab and flex the fuselage by > moving it back and forth. I installed diagonal cross members all the way to > the forward vertical fin post with large gussets and it made it VERY ridged! > If I had it to do over again I would skin the top with a sheet of ply and > cut out the ply between all the 5/8 spruce members. ALA WAR replicas. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Micheal Mims > SP290 Spreading its Wings Soon! Mike, Your right about the flex in the tail section. I had a tech counselor suggest that I buy some quarter square diagional spruce and install diagionals in all the aft bays so that all aft bays excluding the one aft of the aft spar, have small diagionals to improve ridigity. I bought some 1/8" stock, and have to sand away the varnish to install but he got a lot of flex out of the tail. In my case part of this is due to my removable aft deck, which is real light kevlar, and does not add much to rigidity. -- Regards Ross ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 23:09:44 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Footlamberts I haven't heard of measuring footlamberts. Is this anything like converting to footlongs per fortnight? Does anyone know how to measure effective candles for night strobes etc? How is this tested? -- Ross Mark Seastrand wrote: > I was wondering if anybody has measured the luminance, footlamberts, of the > landing lights. Sometimes you can get a better light that draws a lot less > power, if the housing for light is properly designed for reflectance. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:29:16 EDT From: DC4FREE Subject: Re: KR: '99 gathering location I just returned from a seminar in Las Vegas, my wife and boys had a blast WITHOUT me. So I vote for Reno. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:22:52 -0700 From: "Martin Mulvey" Subject: Re: KR: '99 Gathering Hi All, How about around Tacoma, Washington. Pierce County Airport (1S0) has 4 KR's on the field. 1 flying since 1979 and 3 others under construction. August would be nice. Marvin, can you give your thoughts? BRGDS, Marty - -----Original Message----- From: KR2 616TJ To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: 09 April, 1998 04:09 Subject: Re: KR: '99 Gathering >In a message dated 98-04-08 22:27:57 EDT, you write: > ><< Boy, the last time we went to Rough River, the park rangers made us stop > doing high speed flybys or low passes because the people on the golf course > complained about the noise. Also, the runway is a little short(2500') and > running down hill to the west. > > How about Kentucky Dam State Park? > > Bobby Muse(N122B) >> > >Bobby, since then they have added 700' to the end opposite the golf course to >make it 3200'. I know, you used to have to flair over a tee box and send the >golfers running.....it was kind of fun. I like the part about the park >rangers' license plate beginning with kr1......he then made the statement "If >that plate turns up missing I'll really be mad". Kentucky Dam Park 4000', >same deal as Rough River, no need for a car and it's even a little more "west" >as in Western Kentucky, M34. > >Dana Overall >RIchmond, KY >kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 06:28:48 EDT From: JEHayward Subject: Re: KR: Jabiru Engines In a message dated 98-04-09 10:34:10 EDT, you write: << I am so tired of reading about small props being less efficient. >> Talk about a short "prop".... how 'bout a ducted fan??? <> But I think they are more quiet, aren't they? Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 06:28:46 EDT From: JEHayward Subject: Re: KR: Why Gussets? In a message dated 98-04-09 10:10:52 EDT, you write: << Also, in my plans, the top aft end of the boat is open, and there are no plywood gussets over the joints. In my opinion, that's very poor. Adding a package shelf obviously ameliorates the problem, or at least part of it. >> I added half-moon shaped gussets to that area on mine making them from scrap pieces of 3/32" plywood just for piece of mind. Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 06:28:50 EDT From: JEHayward Subject: Re: KR: Why Gussets? In a message dated 98-04-09 10:34:27 EDT, you write: << Built to plans, the top section of the fuselage towards the aft end was rather flimsy! I could grab the horizontal stab and flex the fuselage by moving it back and forth. >> Mine was this way until I skinned the sides and bottom. That really "tightened 'er up" and I couldn't get it to budge when trying to twist it. Jim Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 06:23:14 -0700 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: '99 Gathering Martin Mulvey wrote: > > Hi All, > > How about around Tacoma, Washington. > > Pierce County Airport (1S0) has 4 KR's on the field. 1 flying since 1979 and > 3 others under construction. > > August would be nice. > > Marvin, can you give your thoughts? > > BRGDS, Marty >------------------------------ There are a couple more KRs under construction in the Seattle Everett area. Pierce County airport is close to everything but still far enough out that it would be a good place for a fly in. Arlington would be another good airport. The EAA has their fly-in sometime in July at Arlington. Its getting to be a big event. I guess if I had a choice Reno or someplace west of Reno would be my vote. Marvin McCoy Seattle, Wa. North end of Boeing field. Where the power lines are strong enough to save your butt if you are stupid enough to fly into them. mr.marvin@worldnet.att.net - -------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:16:29 EDT From: BSHADR Subject: Re: KR: Newsletter CD-ROM update In a message dated 98-04-09 08:41:02 EDT, you write: << Inflation and stock market developments, plus cost of my BFR, have slightly bloated the price to $198.99 plus shipping and handling per copy. >> Oscar: Aw shucks, I'll take one too. Randy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:58:27 -0400 From: "Mark Seastrand" Subject: Re: KR: Footlamberts Ross, I don't mean to sound like a smart ass. The footlambert is a standard of measure and I measure aircraft lighting all the time. Mark S. - -----Original Message----- From: Ross Youngblood To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Friday, April 10, 1998 2:10 AM Subject: Re: KR: Footlamberts >I haven't heard of measuring footlamberts. Is this anything like converting to >footlongs per fortnight? > >Does anyone know how to measure effective candles for night strobes etc? How >is this tested? > -- Ross > >Mark Seastrand wrote: > >> I was wondering if anybody has measured the luminance, footlamberts, of the >> landing lights. Sometimes you can get a better light that draws a lot less >> power, if the housing for light is properly designed for reflectance. >> > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:18:30 -0400 From: "Griffing, Bruce F (CRD)" Subject: RE: KR: Footlamberts Ross is right - in the world of lighting we speak in terms of footlamberts and lumens. By the way, it is furlongs per fortnight. Footlongs are hotdogs. Bruce > ---------- > From: Mark Seastrand[SMTP:mseastrand@erols.com] > Sent: Friday, April 10, 1998 4:58 PM > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: Footlamberts > > Ross, > I don't mean to sound like a smart ass. > The footlambert is a standard of measure and I measure aircraft lighting > all the time. > > Mark S. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ross Youngblood > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Date: Friday, April 10, 1998 2:10 AM > Subject: Re: KR: Footlamberts > > > >I haven't heard of measuring footlamberts. Is this anything like > converting to > >footlongs per fortnight? > > > >Does anyone know how to measure effective candles for night strobes etc? > How > >is this tested? > > -- Ross > > > >Mark Seastrand wrote: > > > >> I was wondering if anybody has measured the luminance, footlamberts, of > the > >> landing lights. Sometimes you can get a better light that draws a lot > less > >> power, if the housing for light is properly designed for reflectance. > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:49:13 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: RE: KR: Footlamberts At 05:18 PM 4/10/98 -0400, you wrote: >Ross is right - in the world of lighting we speak in terms of >footlamberts and lumens. By the way, it is furlongs per >fortnight. Footlongs are hotdogs. > Bruce > Well I let you guys in on a little clue, landing lights on GA airplanes are only good for two things. Collision avoidance and taxing at night. So if the light is good enough to taxi with your good to go! Because we all know how useless a landing lights are for landing don't we? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims SP290 Spreading its Wings Soon! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 00:07:24 -0400 From: "Joseph C. Ricks" Subject: Re: KR: JABIRU FOR SALE, XPDR, other items Hi Ron.. I received your message, sorry that I wasn't able to phone you this evening. I'm an air traffic controller at Atlanta Center and the Master's is keeping us pretty busy. You were the first to respond to the ad so you have first shot. The xpdr does not come with the mounting tray, but the antenna and everything else is there. I work tomorrow and Sunday evening, as well as day shifts on Monday and Tuesday. I'll try to contact you before I head in tomorrow (before 1:30pm). Take care, Joe At 12:04 AM 4/10/98 EDT, you wrote: >I'd like to have the transponder. Advise if I'm the first buyer >Ron Freiberger > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 00:21:50 EDT From: MikeT nyc Subject: Re: Prop Size (formerly KR: Jabiru Engines) In a message dated 98-04-09 10:34:10 EDT, you write: >>The Jabiru produces 80 h.p., but only at 3,300 rpm - at this speed you >>need to use a smaller diameter propeller, which is less efficient. This >>would leave the Europa underpowered>>>> > >What a crock of crap! I am so tired of reading about small props being less >efficient. What is a props primary job? To turn BHP into THRUST, that's >it! If you read about props from various resources you will find there is >a constant in all props (at least successful ones) and that is tip speed. >If you stop to think about it a 15 inch prop and a 15 foot prop obviously >turn at different rpms but guess what must remain the same between the two >props for them both to be considered "efficient"? You got it, tip speed! I'm not sure what you mean by "efficient" here. Do you mean that a given prop is as efficient as a prop that size can be when it's set up to run at 80% of mach at SL, or do you mean that ANY prop set up that way will turn hp into thrust as efficiently as a prop of ANY OTHER SIZE set up that way? I don't disagree with the former, but if the latter is true, why do many certified planes use geared engines? If all props are equally efficient at the right speed, they could get the same efficiency (and save weight) by running teeny tiny props on direct drive. Also, if small props were equally efficient, twins could have their engines much closer together and minimize engine out problems -- you'd even have room for two 15" props side-by-side on the nose of the plane. Instead, Burt Rutan completely redesigned the twin, mostly so the engines could be made closer together using regular-size props. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 00:21:39 EDT From: MikeT nyc Subject: Re: KR: Why Gussets? In a message dated 98-04-09 11:01:45 EDT, you write: >> Does anyone know why all those little gussets are used, other than >appearance? >> I have an OPINION that once the plywood is installed, the gussets are along >> for the ride. >> > >I've the same opinion. I think that the gussets may be replaced with >plywood triangle covering the joints. Less boring work, less time to >build, less weight, but same glueing area. On the other side, I've took >a look to four aerobatic airplanes (Avions Mudry CAP 10, CAP 20, CAP 21 >and CAP231), the fuselage is entirely wood, and there are gussets + >plywood triangle !! >So really don't know what to do. In doubt, will leave the gussets One of the early Newsletters says that plywood triangles can be used instead of gussets, and I think one of Tony Bingelis's books has a diagram showing they provide MORE gluing area. They are uglier, however, and might look more slapdash to a passenger than gussets. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 00:21:52 EDT From: MikeT nyc Subject: Re: KR: Non US Citizen registering a US homebuilt In a message dated 98-04-09 08:30:40 EDT, you write: >> I have a friend locally who has been building furiously on a Zenair >> Zodiac. Now he discovers that he can't register it in the US, as he >> is not a US citizen. >> >> Any ideas out there in KR land? >> >> I think he is British if that is of any use. > >Ross, > >I'm not saying this isn't true, but it doesn't ring quite right. Where >did he get this information? What is his current status? Resident >aliens are generally afforded the same rights as citizens with a few >exceptions. I've never heard of a DAR asking for proof of citizenship. > >He should call the local FSDO and ask them(in general terms - don't give >them a name). If you want, I'll float this on rec.aviation.homebuilt >and let you know what kind of responses I get. I know that non-citizens can register certified planes here, because I read about one Brit who keeps his plane here and flies it here because he finds it more economical. Was this guy told he couldn't register a homebuilt plane or couldn't be the one with to get the repairman's certificate? Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:44:15 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: Prop Size (formerly KR: Jabiru Engines) At 12:21 AM 4/11/98 EDT, you wrote: >I don't disagree with the former, but if the latter is true, why do many >certified planes use geared engines?>>> They do? I can only think of a couple off the top of my head. Obviously you have to chose a prop that's right for a particular airframe, what I was trying to say is because its "slow turning", doesn't mean the prop is more efficient. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims SP290 Spreading its Wings Soon! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 23:50:58 -0500 From: Brian J Bland Subject: Re: KR: Why Gussets? At 12:21 AM 4/11/98 EDT, you wrote: >One of the early Newsletters says that plywood triangles can be used instead >of gussets, and I think one of Tony Bingelis's books has a diagram showing >they provide MORE gluing area. They are uglier, however, and might look more >slapdash to a passenger than gussets. > >Mike Taglieri > > Everything that I have ever seen has indicated that the gussett method is stronger than the plywood method. If anyone is worried about the strength of the gussetts just use both methods together and you will have a very strong joint. Brian J Bland Claremore, OK Another proud member of the Area51 BBA! bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 01:13:53 -0400 From: "Joseph C. Ricks" Subject: Re: KR: JABIRU FOR SALE, XPDR, other items Sorry about the misdirected messages folks! Joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:26:35 -0700 From: "Martin Mulvey" Subject: Re: KR: '99 Gathering Hi All, Marvin is right! The "OSHKOSH of the West Coast" is held at Arlington every year before the "Wisconsin" one. It would be great to see a real presence of KR'S there. There is usually the odd one or two KR's there but nothing like the RV's and Glasairs. (Love them all but we have real airplanes too) Give it some thought. BTW.. there are no power lines near Pierce County Airport or Arlington A/P for that matter. All the best! Marty - -----Original Message----- From: MARVIN MCCOY To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: 10 April, 1998 06:24 Subject: Re: KR: '99 Gathering >Martin Mulvey wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> How about around Tacoma, Washington. >> >> Pierce County Airport (1S0) has 4 KR's on the field. 1 flying since 1979 and >> 3 others under construction. >> >> August would be nice. >> >> Marvin, can you give your thoughts? >> >> BRGDS, Marty >>------------------------------ > > There are a couple more KRs under construction in the Seattle Everett >area. Pierce County airport is close to everything but still far enough >out that it would be a good place for a fly in. Arlington would be >another good airport. The EAA has their fly-in sometime in July at >Arlington. Its getting to be a big event. > I guess if I had a choice Reno or someplace west of Reno would be my >vote. > >Marvin McCoy >Seattle, Wa. North end of Boeing field. > >Where the power lines are strong enough to save your butt if you are >stupid enough to fly into them. > >mr.marvin@worldnet.att.net > >-------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:32:13 -0700 From: "Martin Mulvey" Subject: KR: Re: Why Gussets? Hi there, The "dreaded" gussets give overall contact with the joint on all sides. Yes, a plywood gusset will join the wood together but not where it counts. (At the joint). The plywood gusset over the joint gives contact on only one side of three (two) joints. Hope this helps. BRGDS Marty - -----Original Message----- From: RFreibe131 To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: 09 April, 1998 07:11 Subject: KR: Why Gussets? >Does anyone know why all those little gussets are used, other than appearance? >I have an OPINION that once the plywood is installed, the gussets are along >for the ride. > >Also, in my plans, the top aft end of the boat is open, and there are no >plywood gussets over the joints. In my opinion, that's very poor. Adding a >package shelf obviously ameliorates the problem, or at least part of it. > >I'm curious about this issue, but my (purchased) project is already fully >gusseted {;o)= > >Ron Freiberger... KR2+/- on the gear in Florida > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 05:23:00 -0700 From: "John Bouyea" Subject: Re: KR: KR newsletter I've got the West Coast Edition; I'll post them to Monday. What's your snail address? Sorry for the delay; kind of off-line here in Hillsboro... John Bouyea johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net kr2s - building the spars Hillsboro, Oregon - ---------- > From: HAshraf > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: KR newsletter > Date: Saturday, April 04, 1998 5:41 PM > > I am actually on the West coast, but would not mind be on the East coast > waiting list. > > Haris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 07:07:26 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: '99 Gathering (Suggestion) >Marvin is right! The "OSHKOSH of the West Coast" is held at Arlington every >year before the "Wisconsin" one. >BTW.. there are no power lines near Pierce County Airport or Arlington A/P >for that matter. > >All the best! Marty I have been following this thread a bit and one thing seems clear. There is a strong desire to have the gathering near one's own home. Since there is no clear choice, I will mandatethat it be at Meadow Lake airport just northeast of Colorado Springs CO. There are many things to do: Pikes Peak, AF Academy, Royal Gorge, mountains, 7 Falls, Cave of the Winds, river rafting mountains, lots of open space, 100 mile visibility, did I mention mountains?, dry air, cool nights, few bugs, I can walk to the airport, mountains...... the list goes on. Seriously, I already rejected this airport due to its elevation (7000'), lack of hangars (except there are lots of them unoccupied that could be used..no doubt at some cost) and no large apron for flight ops. May I suggest that this group decide on a high level that there will be two or three KR gatherings per year. The "official" one would alternate. Come up with a list like I did earlier and provide the info on each suggested site. in 1999, you would pick a site from each of the regions (EAST/WEST/CENTRAL) and which would be in the spring/summer/fall (again assuming that three are held each year..but I would recommend a minimum of two). The regional site could change yearly to allow folks a chance to see different parts of the country...and spread the HOME FIELD desire around. Hmm, maybe the problems I thought existed here are not so bad after all. No hotel bill...no travel costs, home cooked meals... that is it, let's go anywhere but Meadow Lake :) Meadow Lake does not have powerlines to snag unsuspecting pilots either. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:24:26 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Footlamberts Mike wrote: >Because we all know >how useless a landing lights are for landing don't we? Right you are. My instructor only let me use them once in a while; of course while taxiing, and for recognition in ATAs... plus, in Texas, the rabbits come out to feed at night. When landing, it shows up their eyes pretty good and helps you miss the bigger ones which aren't facing away from you.;o) But for seeing the rwy- nope. By the time you see it in the lights, you've just messed up the landing. But maybe the new high-powered halogen zingers punch farther than the standard acft units? Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:26:10 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: Flight Testing-update I have my KR1.5 flying again. it has a 2180cc engine with F1 hub, 2-1 exhaust and dual ignition. With a 54 x 52 I see 3100 rpm static and in the air I get 3340 wide open and accelerating. ROC is 800 FPM. With my 54 x 46 I see 3350 Static and 3600 wide open. ROC at 80 mph is 1200FPM. Airspeed is greater but at a greater rpm on the smaller prop. SB ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 98 15:32:35 PDT From: "Tim Anderson" Subject: KR: New EAA Regional Fly-In For those who haven't yet heard, a new EAA regional fly-in is scheduled = for Sept 25 - 27 at Castle Airport (old Castle AFB), Merced, California. = This will be known as the Golden West Regional Fly-in and Convention. = See web site at: http://home.inreach.com/a-gwaa/ As a suggestion, this would be a good site for a KR gathering in the futu= re. As it is an old B-52 Base, it has ONE LONG, WIDE runway, plenty of = ramp area, and no power lines! Received my KR-2S plans last week. Busy making "shop drawings", etc. = Cleaned out garage and am building worktable. Lengthening fuselage 8" aft of wings, 2" fore. Will be wider, but haven'= t decided how much. Question: How wide should the firewall be to fit an 0-200 without having= bulges on sides of cowl? Tim Anderson Stockton, CA tanderso@inreach.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:29:16 -0700 From: Robert Maniss Subject: KR: Fuel Caps and Necks Has anyone out there used Steve Bennet's plastic fuel cap and neck in their tanks? Would appreciate comments. Think I heard of water leaking into tank on another brand. Thanks for any help. Bob Maniss Abilene, TX ejrem@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:37:45 -0500 From: Ed Janssen Subject: Re: KR: Flight Testing-update At 04:26 PM 4/11/98 +0000, you wrote: >I have my KR1.5 flying again. it has a 2180cc engine with F1 hub, 2-1 >exhaust and dual ignition. With a 54 x 52 I see 3100 rpm static and in >the air I get 3340 wide open and accelerating. ROC is 800 FPM. With my >54 x 46 I see 3350 Static and 3600 wide open. ROC at 80 mph is >1200FPM. Airspeed is greater but at a greater rpm on the smaller prop. >SB > Congrats, Steve. Think I remember that you did some rewiring on the 1-1/2, but don't remember what else your were planning for it. Won't be long before your headin' south, I suppose. I've never been to Sun N Fun and won't make it this year either - too many irons in the fire. I even missed Oshkosh last year - only the second time in the last 25 years. I'm slippin' :o) Still don't have a plane for my private strip as yet. I'm getting anxious. I could use something like a Challenger to get me by for a while. Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 22:35:50, -0500 From: YCGB97A@prodigy.com (MR JEAN R VERON) Subject: KR: New EAA Regional Fly-In Tim The standard KR-2S Firewall is wide enough for the O-200 without bulges. Jean N4DD ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:35:38 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Flight Testing-update At 04:26 PM 4/11/98 +0000, you wrote: >I have my KR1.5 flying again. it has a 2180cc engine with F1 hub, 2-1 >exhaust and dual ignition. With a 54 x 52 I see 3100 rpm static and in >the air I get 3340 wide open and accelerating. ROC is 800 FPM. With my >54 x 46 I see 3350 Static and 3600 wide open. ROC at 80 mph is >1200FPM. Airspeed is greater but at a greater rpm on the smaller prop. >SB > Steve, I'm gald to see you in the air again. Are you going to fly your KR1.5 to Sun'N'Fun? Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:43:59 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Flight Testing-update At 08:37 PM 4/11/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Won't be long before your headin' south, I suppose. I've never been to Sun >N Fun and won't make it this year either - too many irons in the fire. I >even missed Oshkosh last year - only the second time in the last 25 years. > >Ed Janssen > > Ed, I've been to both and I had rather go to Sun'N'Fun. Acually I'm not so sure that I care to ever go to Oshkosh again. It would have to be a very special reason to ever take my KR to Oshkosh gain, once is enough. Sun'N"Fun is fun. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 22:06:48 -0600 From: "gary" Subject: Re: KR: Flight Testing-update - -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Muse To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Saturday, April 11, 1998 10:22 PM Subject: Re: KR: Flight Testing-update >At 08:37 PM 4/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >> >>Won't be long before your headin' south, I suppose. I've never been to Sun >>N Fun and won't make it this year either - too many irons in the fire. I >>even missed Oshkosh last year - only the second time in the last 25 years. >> >>Ed Janssen >> >> >Ed, I've been to both and I had rather go to Sun'N'Fun. Acually I'm not so >sure that I care to ever go to Oshkosh again. It would have to be a very >special reason to ever take my KR to Oshkosh gain, once is enough. >Sun'N"Fun is fun. > > Bobby Muse(N122B) > bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX Bobby Muse Are you Bob muses son? or ? I knew a Robert Muse years ago. IF YOU LIKE SUN-N-FUN- THEN -- YOU OWE IT TO YOURSELF--- TO GO TO ARLINGTON!! I'VE BEEN TO ALL OF EM (N) I really enjoy Arlington Even when it rains!!! TRY IT--- YOU WILL LIKE IT See you there but not with my kr, new circumstances dictate sale of same . SO ---ANY KRNETERS OUT THERE LOOKING FOR A LARGE AND COMPLETE COLLECTION OF PARTS? PARTS ONLY ---TOO MANY LAWERS FOR ME -- N5391M- PLANE WAS FEATURED IN EXPERIMENTER YEARS AGO BUT DON'T REMEMEMBER WHICH ONE. 2180 CC - FIXED GEAR VFR- MATCO BRAKES VERY LOW TIME ON ENGINE E MAIL ME FOR MORE AND PIC--WHICH I WILL HAVE TO FIND MORE OF. BEEN IN STORAGE NOW FOR 4-5 YEARS AND CAN'T KEEP ANY LONGER . garyglasgow@gomontana.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 22:41:21 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Fuel Caps and Necks On Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:29:16 -0700 Robert Maniss writes: >Has anyone out there used Steve Bennet's plastic fuel cap and neck in >their tanks? Would appreciate comments. Think I heard of water >leaking >into tank on another brand. Thanks for any help. > >Bob Maniss Abilene, TX ejrem@worldnet.att.net > Bob, I used the $5 plastic caps and knurled aluminum necks from Wicks(probably the ones you're refering to) in all three tanks in my KR. As the were, all three leaked water into the tanks. I replaced the gaskets with "O"-rings from the local hardware store. End of problem. - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 08:40:02 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: Flight Testing-update Great Plains Aircraft wrote: > > I have my KR1.5 flying again. it has a 2180cc engine with F1 hub, 2-1 > exhaust and dual ignition. With a 54 x 52 I see 3100 rpm static and in > the air I get 3340 wide open and accelerating. ROC is 800 FPM. With my > 54 x 46 I see 3350 Static and 3600 wide open. ROC at 80 mph is > 1200FPM. Airspeed is greater but at a greater rpm on the smaller prop. > SB Steve, Which prop do you prefer to fly behind? Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 09:07:57 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Taylor Mini Imp Sorry for the non-KR post but If anyone out there has any info (good or bad) about the Mini-Imp could you email me privately? Thanks! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Micheal Mims SP290 Spreading its Wings Soon! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 09:09:00 -0700 From: wolfpacks@juno.com (Linda & Paul Martin) Subject: KR: Trade instruments, no archive I have a used 3&1/8" Bendix climb indicator (0 to 6,000 fpm.) that measures 4.75 inches deep from the panel. Unfortunatly, I need a 4" (or less) deep model to clear the fuel tank. Anyone have a 0 to 2 or 3,000 fpm. they'd like to trade? E-mail me privately. wolfpacks@juno.com or traildog@wolfpacks.com Paul M. Ashland, OR _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #69 ****************************