From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Sunday, May 03, 1998 5:43 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #75 krnet-l-digest Sunday, May 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 075 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:10:28 -0400 From: Dennis Ambrose Subject: KR: re: retract gear mods > >I'd be interested in seeing the newer gear lock system as I'm using the >original gear . > >Richard Parker >Jaffrey, NH >theparkers@monad.net >help@pneutronics.com Richard: The stuff you will be getting from me will include the better system. You'll get it soon, but I found a couple of guys at the KR dinner that want photocopies of the pieces before I send them away. (boy were they disapointed that they are not on KRnet!!) You should be getting them sometime in the next week or so. \ Regards Dennis (in T.O.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:39:34 -0400 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re: re: retract gear mods I will be more than glad to return the favor. I appreciate every bit of it. Rich Parker Jaffrey, NH theparkers@monad.net http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm __I__ ______( X )_______ o/ \o >Richard: The stuff you will be getting from me will include the better >system. >You'll get it soon, but I found a couple of guys at the KR dinner that want >photocopies of the pieces before I send them away. (boy were they >disapointed that they are not on KRnet!!) > You should be getting them sometime in the next week or so. \ > > Regards Dennis (in T.O.) > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:46:04 -0400 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re: re: retract gear mods > You should be getting them sometime in the next week or so. \ > > Regards Dennis (in T.O.) If you have any problem shipping it please call me at 1-800-525-2857 thanks again. Rich Parker Jaffrey, NH theparkers@monad.net http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:51:30 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Fuel Tank Caps At 10:45 AM 4/26/98 -0700, you wrote: >For that O-ring replacement, do you need to machine a groove in the >flange? I forgot. > > -- Ross No the cap and the flange look as if they were designed for an O-ring. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 One Wing to go! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:44:59 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Fuel Tank Caps I just simply put an O-ring where the gasket used to be. End of problem. - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 10:45:34 -0700 Ross Youngblood writes: >Mike, > >Before you put those caps in, consider cutting the mounting flange >in half thickness wise to save some weight. This was mentioned to >me by Norm Rosenau as he thought the flanges were a bit thick. > >For that O-ring replacement, do you need to machine a groove in the >flange? I forgot. > > -- Ross > >Micheal Mims wrote: >> >> I would like to thank Jeff Scott for recommending the caps from >Wicks (part >> # FC100-001 $4.93 ea). In my opinion any search for a fuel cap for >any >> composite tank is over! These caps are light , cheep and if you >replace the >> cheesy rubber gasket with an O-ring they actually work! :o) >> >> If you don't like the funky design in the top of the cap that is >used for >> removal you could fill the cap with light flox and cut a slot in it >with a >> cut off wheel. >> >> Off to the airport now to glass the inside of the right stub tank >and micro >> the foam cores into place. See yall tonight! >> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >> Micheal Mims >> SP290 One Wing to go! >> mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >> http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >> Irvine Ca >> Fax 714.856.9417 >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >-- > > Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE >PIN#895-9073 > Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x >1632 > Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area >code) > Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:46:53 -0500 From: "Dean R. Collette, MD" Subject: KR: Varnish Netters, I think this is a pretty simple question, but I can't seem to find a straight answer. If the spruce is totally covered by fiberglass, foam, etc., do you still need to varnish it? Dean drdean@execpc.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:02:04 EDT From: XZOSTD1 Subject: Re: KR: Varnish You only varnish the spruce that will Not have fiberglass cloth epoxied to it. If you varnished any thing that has to be glued or glassed you have to sand off the varnish first. Have Fun Bill Huntley KR2S Green Bay, WI. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:06:11 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Varnish At 09:46 PM 4/26/98 -0500, you wrote: >Netters, >I think this is a pretty simple question, but I can't seem to find a >straight answer. If the spruce is totally covered by fiberglass, foam, etc., >do you still need to varnish it? > >Dean >drdean@execpc.com > I suspect NOT. First of all, you would not varnish and then glass or attach foam since you would have a poor bond. The foam, fiberglass and epoxy would essentially seal the wood. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:22:51 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: KR: Rudder Pulley Bracket Mount Someone inquired about a way to mount some sort of pulley bracket to the fuselage skin. This is a modification of a similar mounting scheme in the Long-EZ. Take a piece of 1/4" plywood and taper the edges so that when you glass over it, there are no abrupt corners. drill holes through the wood block where your bracket will mount. In the Long-EZ, the heads of the AN bolts were embedded in a hole in the inner skin, the hole being packed with micro to prevent the head from turning. IN the case of the KR, you sure are not going to cut into the plywood so it seems you can cut into the plywood instead. This may require making the plywood thicker than 1/4". I would also pack the area around the head with FLOX. Insert the AN bolts of the proper size, pack around them with flox then epoxy the wood on the fuselage (threads of bolts pointed towards inside of airplane. Glass over the wood block with a ply or two of BID, peel ply and you are done. When cured, you put the bracket over the bolts, add washers and nuts, tighten and you are really done. I wonder if the screw type bolts could be used to minimize cutting into the wood but I am not sure how you keep the screw from turning when you tighten the nut. This may not answer the question. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:43:54 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Rudder Pulley Bracket Mount At 09:22 PM 4/26/98 -0600, you wrote: >Take a piece of 1/4" plywood and taper the edges so that when >you glass over it, there are no abrupt corners. drill holes >through the wood block where your bracket will mount. > >In the Long-EZ, the heads of the AN bolts were embedded in a hole>>> Boy having extra sets of plans is handy eh? This is how I made a shaft to mount the trim handle. I used a 1/4 inch piece of plywood and it worked just fine. I used an3 bolts and drilled half way into the plywood so the bolt heads would be flush. I used flox to hold them in and then floxed the whole thing to the fuselage. The result was two an3 bolts sticking out so I could mount the lever. I am sure they are strong enough to hold a rudder cable pulley. I drilled two holes in the web portion of my main spar to allow the rudder cables to pass through the main spar so they would have a straight shot back to the rear spar. From there I used nylaflow tubing floxed to the top of the rear spar. No pulleys required. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 One Wing to go! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:42:58 EDT From: HAshraf Subject: Re: KR: Trim Tab System MAC new tel # is (760) 598-0592 Fax: (760) 598-2967 I gor that from their recent brochure. Haris Ashraf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 05:39:26 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: Tom's photo shoot. Ross Youngblood wrote: > > Terrific! > > Say Tom, > I noted you have two nifty small pulleys for your rudder cable > install. I was wondering if you could post how you attached the > brackets to the sides of the fuselage? > > I am thinking about taking some 5/8 stock, drilling a couple 3/16 > holes then countersinking for the bolt head and floxing in place, then > epoxy the bracket mount along the side. > > I have two pulleys, I just haven't decided how I'm going to mount > them at the moment. Other things have had priority. > > -- Regards > Ross > > KR2 616TJ wrote: > > > > I'll relay the continuing saga of Tom Crawford's KR 262TC. Sport Aviation > > flew up to Tom's home airport during the airshow at Sun & Fun and took 20-30 > > static shots and them took air to air shots over a lake using 35mm, video and > > a Hasselbloch. Looking at the weather map, it should have been good and > > sunny.........KR on the cover, let's hope they have a good film developer > > :-)). > > Little clarafication on the award Tom got, It was for BEST AIRPLANE with an > > Auto Engine Installation (VW Type 4, 2400) and believe me there were a bunch > > of auto installations. > > > > Vdub forever!!!!!! (Had to get that in) > > > > Done with the show, back to building. > > > > Dana Overall > > Richmond, KY > > kr2616tj@aol.com > > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > > -- > > Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE > PIN#895-9073 > Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x > 1632 > Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 (Note Area code) > Corvallis,Oregon Mailto:rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com Ross, They sit above the main spar- right now (0515) I dont remember if I attatched them to the top of the spar or to a verticle member. I just used a small AL L-bracket, thru bolted the pulley and wood screws for attatchment. It holds it fine, there is not much stress on it, and even if it pulled out in flight, the rudder would still work, you would just have the cable rubbing on your leg. Tom tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 16:12:32 GMT From: mathewrz@iafrica.com (Rob Matthews) Subject: KR: Trim Tab System Hi All Well !! I have just come back from our own Oshkosh type EAA fly - in , here in South Africa. There were about 100 planes of all shapes and sizes. I found 3 KR 2 there. The one was normal taildragger with a 2000cc VW motor and cruises at +/- 160MPH and has taken it to indicated 230MPH. The owner said that he thinks his airspeed indicator is out a bit at such high speeds as his pitot tube is mounted under the wing at the wing attachments. He said that the wheel covers affect it some what. The other one was a 2000cc VW motor with a rayjay turbo. This plane has tanks mounted on the wing tips and looks a little heavy , but the owner states that he can only carry himself when they are full and the plane is very sluggish on roll rate. Each tank holds 15 litres of fuel. The last one was a nose wheel config. and used a nosewheel from a BD5. I think this wheel is a little small but has a good shock system. The interesting point is that they all used the MAC server for the trim tab and it is mounted in the elevator with a cover so access is possible at any stage. The other thing is that they all had a fuel pump of sorts. They all said that the gravity feed system is not to be used. They also used conventional motorcar points and looks like motorbike coils etc. The carbs look like the ones from the old BMW motor bikes. These are a few points that were collected. OH, on the one the guy made his travel of ailerons more than the standard travel, and installed two balance weights per aileron and they don't go into holes in the wing as per plans. Regards - -- Rob Matthews Have a nice day South Africa email mathewrz@iafrica.com KR 2 ZS-VCM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:52:29 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Fuel Tank Caps At 07:32 AM 4/26/98 -0700, you wrote: >I would like to thank Jeff Scott for recommending the caps from Wicks (part ># FC100-001 $4.93 ea). In my opinion any search for a fuel cap for any >composite tank is over! These caps are light , cheep and if you replace the >cheesy rubber gasket with an O-ring they actually work! :o) > >If you don't like the funky design in the top of the cap that is used for >removal you could fill the cap with light flox and cut a slot in it with a >cut off wheel. > >Off to the airport now to glass the inside of the right stub tank and micro >the foam cores into place. See yall tonight! >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims > Micheal, That cap and method is exactly what I did for my fuel cap except that I made a handle(small 'L' shape of 1/8" al.) to be used to remove and tighten the cap and I pushed the handle with mold release into the the wet flox and let it set up around the handle. result: the slot was a perfect fit. Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:52:30 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Varnish At 09:46 PM 4/26/98 -0500, you wrote: >Netters, >I think this is a pretty simple question, but I can't seem to find a >straight answer. If the spruce is totally covered by fiberglass, foam, etc., >do you still need to varnish it? > >Dean >drdean@execpc.com > > > No. > Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:33:24 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Something neat while on Vacation Sorry for the non-kr post but I thought you VW guys would like this. I was walking to the golf course in Nassau and had to do a double take on one of the cars parked in the lot. It was a 1998 VW Bug! Not the New Beatle that we are getting here in the states but a BRAND NEW AIR COOLED BUG! It was very cool to look over a new bug. Anyway just thought I would share! To bad they cant import those little critters into the US any more. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 One Wing to go! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:08:36 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Bugs Hey Mike- I was born/raised on the U.S./Mexico border, spent some time in the interior. No shortage of VW bugs there: new, old, otherwise. They are a bit different from the ones we get here, but in a good way (minus lots of DOT mandated stuff). They are readily obtainable, but tough to get across to the U.S... except in parts ;o) I can get heads, casings, you name it- at a fraction of U.S. prices cuz of the value of the dollar v.s. the peso. It really breaks people's hearts to see brand-new bugs on auto showrooms just_right_there and no way to get one! Oscar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:51:17 -0700 From: "Bruce S. Campbell" Subject: Re: KR: Bugs Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > Hey Mike- > > I was born/raised on the U.S./Mexico border, spent some time in the > interior. No shortage of VW bugs there: new, old, otherwise. They are Yep! I was in Mexico city a couple of years ago--they all had taxi signs on top and big tail lights on the back fenders. Pretty well made too. When I was growing up in central California one of the jokes of the day was, "What are the two most important holidays in Mexico? Cinco de Mayo and the day the new Chevies come out." May have to change that Chevies to VW's. ;o) Bruce S. Campbell Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:51:40 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: more wing core photos Wing Nutts, I uploaded a few more pictures at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/wing2.html I should have the right wing glassed this weekend and then its time to flip her over. I guess I will have a roll-over party on the 9th of May. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 One Wing to go! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 03:12:29 -0400 From: "Driessen, Marcel" Subject: KR: AW: Something neat while on Vacation -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: 'MAIL@CSERVE ' Gesendet am: Dienstag, 28. April 1998 15:35 An: Driessen; 'MAIL@CSERVE ' Betreff: KR: Something neat while on Vacation Sender: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Received: from smtp1.teleport.com (smtp1.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by arl-img-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) with ESMTP id PAA19122; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA27914; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtp1.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.5); Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:32:48 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id MAA27849 for krnet-l-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw6.pacbell.net (mail-gw6.pacbell.net [206.13.28.41]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27836 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from deskpro-575 (ppp-206-170-71-194.irvn11.pacbell.net [206.170.71.194]) by mail-gw6.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id MAA07 809 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980428193324.0099d8ec@pacbell.net> X-Sender: mikemims@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:33:24 -0700 To: krnet-l@teleport.com From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Something neat while on Vacation Sender: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com Precedence: bulk Sorry for the non-kr post but I thought you VW guys would like this. I was walking to the golf course in Nassau and had to do a double take on one of the cars parked in the lot. It was a 1998 VW Bug! Not the New Beatle that we are getting here in the states but a BRAND NEW AIR COOLED BUG! It was very cool to look over a new bug. Anyway just thought I would share! To bad they cant import those little critters into the US any more. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 One Wing to go! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Michael, Last year in Germany a Supermarket chain had brand new Mexican aircooled bugs for sale. The Price was somewhere near DM 19,000 ($ 11,000) Marcel Driessen KR2S-Builder Meerlo, Limburg, The Netherlands e-mail: driessen@krohne.mhs.compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 06:38:40 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: more wing core photos Michael, this really pains me to say it...but those photos...and the wings look awesome. It brings tears to my eyes just thinking of how you must felt when you finished your first core hotwiring...took the outside pieces off.. and admired the airfoil shape you created. I see ONE bottom side entry for the forward hole. I assume you did the same thing for the rectangular openings. The first picture that shows the entire core template AND vertical spar lines tells a lot. Are your transitions from the foam to the spar caps perfect? One picture makes its look like the foam is a bit wider. My guess is you will have a very strong wing...one that does NOT have any motion in the skin during flight. Plus no urethane foam dust. Ron Lee >Wing Nutts, I uploaded a few more pictures at: > >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/wing2.html > >I should have the right wing glassed this weekend and then its time to flip >her over. I guess I will have a roll-over party on the 9th of May. >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:09:50 -0500 From: "Randy Stout" Subject: KR: Traveling Newsletter I just receive the newsletters and will be making copies tomorrow. Who would like them next? Send your name and address to r5t0ut@flash.net. Randy Stout - San Antonio TX r5t0ut@flash.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:02:18 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: more wing core photos Ron Lee wrote: > The first picture that shows the entire core template AND vertical spar lines tells a lot. Are your transitions from the foam to the spar caps perfect? One picture makes its look like the foam is a bit wider. > I cut the foam cores 1/8 inch to large top and bottom so I could touch up the foam with a piece of sand paper to make the transition perfect. Its working out really well! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290, One wing left! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:46:11 EDT From: LngDistRep Subject: Re: KR: Traveling Newsletter Paul Bittengle 5217 Lanai Drive Orlando, Florida 32812 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:13:36 EDT From: LngDistRep Subject: Re: KR: more wing core photos Michael, Would like to chat with you more, about your foam wing set-up. Details such as where you aquired your foam etc. Having problems here in Orlando finding the material I need. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:46:36 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: more wing core photos At 01:13 PM 4/29/98 EDT, you wrote: >Michael, > >Would like to chat with you more, about your foam wing set-up. Details such as where you aquired your foam etc. Having problems here in Orlando finding the material I need. > The foam is from AS&S. Its the same foam used in LongEZs, Dragonflies, Europas, etc. On the east coast you may try Wicks or AS&S East. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 Less than one Wing to go! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:23:39 From: Austin Clark Subject: KR: Elevator Cable Routing KR2S I've hit a snag while routing the upper elevator control cable. The cable rubs the cross member at station M on the KR2S. I have tried routing the cable above and below the cross member and adjusting the position of the upper elevator guide pully; lucky for me, I have not mounted it permanent yet. What have others done? This does not appear to be a problem on the KR2, only on the S. Austin Clark Pascagoula, MS itac@datasync.com http://www.datasync.com/~itac/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:05:29 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Tom's photo shoot. Tom, From what I hear and can see on the internet, YOU did a great job building your KR and it looks GREAT! Way to go! Bobby Muse(N122B) bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:38:45 EDT From: HAshraf Subject: Re: KR: Traveling Newsletter I would like to make copies. I live in So. California Haris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:42:58 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Elevator Cable Routing KR2S At 05:23 PM 4/29/98, you wrote: >I've hit a snag while routing the upper elevator control cable. The cable >rubs the cross member at station M on the KR2S. I have tried routing the cable above and below the cross member and adjusting the position of the upper elevator guide pulley;>>> I don't know dude, mine is no where close to rubbing. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 Less than one Wing to go! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:58:59 -0700 From: "Martin Mulvey" Subject: KR: Re: Elevator Cable Routing KR2S Hi Austin, I used a push-pull tube from the stick. I did not want to use cable for about the same reason. BRGDS Marty - -----Original Message----- From: Austin Clark To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: 29 April, 1998 16:28 Subject: KR: Elevator Cable Routing KR2S >I've hit a snag while routing the upper elevator control cable. The cable >rubs the cross member at station M on the KR2S. I have tried routing the >cable above and below the cross member and adjusting the position of the >upper elevator guide pully; lucky for me, I have not mounted it permanent >yet. What have others done? This does not appear to be a problem on the >KR2, only on the S. > > >Austin Clark >Pascagoula, MS >itac@datasync.com >http://www.datasync.com/~itac/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:12:25 -0700 From: Alessandro Pecorara Subject: Re: KR: Elevator Cable Routing KR2S Austin Clark wrote: > > I've hit a snag while routing the upper elevator control cable. The cable > rubs the cross member at station M on the KR2S. FWIW, having already drilled spar and bulkhead, I glued a small spruce doubler to the M cross member, to hold, (by two screws) a plate of nylon grooved in the middle. Regards. Alessandro Pecorara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 06:24:53 -0400 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re: Austin, I got a call from KR KIP last night. He's heading down here this afternoon and were are flying his KR2. The weather looks like heavy VFR for today. I'll let you know how it is although you will probably be able to hear me smiling 1500 miles away. Rich Parker Jaffrey, NH theparkers@monad.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:23:16 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Elevator Cable Routing KR2S Austin Clark wrote: > > I've hit a snag while routing the upper elevator control cable. The cable > rubs the cross member at station M on the KR2S. Have you considered adding a pulley at station M. Since it will have only a small change in direction, it can be small. It could be either above or below the cross member, whichever works best. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:59:14 -0700 From: "John Bouyea" Subject: Re: KR: Traveling Newsletter I sent the West Coast edition to John Esch a few days ago... John Bouyea johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net kr2s - building the spars Hillsboro, Oregon - ---------- > From: HAshraf > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: Traveling Newsletter > Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 6:38 PM > > I would like to make copies. I live in So. California > > Haris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 00:49:02 EDT From: MikeT nyc Subject: Re: KR: Center rear spar vertical members In a message dated 98-04-23 22:31:28 EDT, you write: >The KR2 plans call for rear center spar section to have vertical members >that alternate between 1/2" by 1/2" and 1/2" by 1 1/8". Is there >anything wrong with making all the wider dimension? Since provision >must be made for pressure differential on the box spar anyway, I can't >see a problem with making the verticals wider. Seems that contact with >both webs would give additional strength. Someone please straighten out >my confusion on this. Thanks. >Bob Maniss Abilene, TX I noticed that too, and I assumed the reason they're not all the wider dimension was because there was no need for additional strength and it would just add weight. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 00:49:09 EDT From: MikeT nyc Subject: Re: KR: Removable elevator halves anyone? >I plan to cut my elevator spar in half and rejoin using 1/8" alum plates on >front >and back, bolted through from the rear, with the elev horn bolted through >them >also. I want to be able to remove my elevator and rudder surfaces for >inspection >and maintenance. Murphy's 92nd law of elevators says that whatever you build >in >permanently will be the first thing you'll have to get to and remove. If this would work, I believe it would also permit a KR to be built in a workshop having a door of ordinary width, because you could take the elevator off to get the tail through the door, then turn the plane 90 degrees to get the center spar through. (This is assuming a removeable turtledeck and canopy). I'd be very interested in hearing comments about the strength of this modification. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:09:10 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Removable elevator halves anyone? At 12:49 AM 5/1/98 EDT, you wrote: >If this would work, I believe it would also permit a KR to be built in a >workshop having a door of ordinary width, because you could take the elevator off to get the tail through the door, then turn the plane 90 degrees to get the center spar through.>>> You would still have the horizontal stab to deal with. (going through the door) I think he was talking about the elevator being split in half and not the entire stabilizer. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 Less than one Wing to go! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 14:24:23 -0400 From: Bob Vermeulen Subject: KR: Dragonfly canopy Hey guys, got a friend in Arizona who's not accessing Krnet, that's = looking for a Dragonfly canopy. He'd like to find one that's looking = for a home on a KR. If you have a line on one, e-mail me direct and = I'll put you in touch with him.=20 Video Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 20:57:58 -0400 From: Tom Andersen Subject: Re: KR: Removable elevator halves anyone? Mike, I was really just talking about the elevators, and not the horizontal stabilizer. I'm only thinking that it would make the elevators serviceable. MikeT nyc wrote: > >I plan to cut my elevator spar in half and rejoin using 1/8" alum plates on > >front > >and back, bolted through from the rear, with the elev horn bolted through > >them > >also. I want to be able to remove my elevator and rudder surfaces for > >inspection > >and maintenance. Murphy's 92nd law of elevators says that whatever you build > >in > >permanently will be the first thing you'll have to get to and remove. > > If this would work, I believe it would also permit a KR to be built in a > workshop having a door of ordinary width, because you could take the elevator > off to get the tail through the door, then turn the plane 90 degrees to get > the center spar through. (This is assuming a removeable turtledeck and > canopy). > > I'd be very interested in hearing comments about the strength of this > modification. > > Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 21:56:13 -0500 From: "ronald.freiberger" Subject: KR: Removable forward deck TO; Tom Crawford Tom ; Thanks for the recommendation to make the forward upper deck removable. I can see it's gonna save me tons of effort. Before I left the Sun and Fun, I bought a pair of hinges. Today they're screwed to the airplane. Ron Freiberger KR1.5+/- in Fort Myers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 23:00:57 -0400 From: mike cochran Subject: Re: KR: NLF Visionary Fund Contributors I have two zenith carbs. Part #14992 & 14997. Can anyone tell me which one to use on 1968cc vw. Thanks Mike Cochran ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:41:11 -0800 From: "Parley T. Byington" Subject: Re: KR: Traveling Newsletter I would like a copy to if someone could forward it. Thanks Parley ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 06:04:38 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: Removable forward deck ronald.freiberger wrote: > > TO; Tom Crawford > Tom ; Thanks for the recommendation to make the forward upper deck > removable. I can see it's gonna save me tons of effort. Before I left the > Sun and Fun, I bought a pair of hinges. Today they're screwed to the > airplane. > > Ron Freiberger KR1.5+/- in Fort Myers Ron, Cant count how many times I have had mine off. With hinges, it takes about 1 min. to pull the pins, and another min. to take the 4 screws out of the instrument panel. While you are at it, it is easy to make the fuel tank removable. I used 2 pieces of 1" steel strap attatched to the firewall shelf with AL brackets. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville,FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 13:38:19 -0400 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Removable forward deck >Cant count how many times I have had mine off. With hinges, it takes >about 1 min. to pull the pins, and another min. to take the 4 screws out >of the instrument panel. >While you are at it, it is easy to make the fuel tank removable. I used >2 pieces of 1" steel strap attatched to the firewall shelf with AL >brackets. > >Tom Crawford >tomc@afn.org >Gainesville,FL >N262TC > a picture is worth a thousand words. ( ;-) hint hint) Rich Parker Jaffrey, NH theparkers@monad.net http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 21:58:19 From: Austin Clark Subject: KR: Web Page Update and Progress Report I just added 17 pictures to my web page to get it up to date. There are a couple pictures of the panel I bought from Wag-Aero after I modified it to fit. There are several new shots of the tailgroup. I am nearly ready to install control cables to the elevator and rudder. Today, I have been building an aluminum bracket assembly to mount the upper elevator guide pulley at station M. I will mount two pulleys on the same bracket for the rudder cables. It is begining to transform from a boat to an airplane! Austin Clark Pascagoula, MS itac@datasync.com http://www.datasync.com/~itac/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 08:08:27 -0500 From: Ed Janssen Subject: KR: One more time, thats all For those interested and who may have missed my posting because of Sun N Fun - I have my standard retract KR-1 for sale - 450TTAF, 1700cc VW, 50SMOH and also another KR-1 project sitting on its gear. E-mail me direct, please, for details, price, etc. Ed Janssen ejanssen@chipsnet.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 11:08:26 From: Austin Clark Subject: Re: KR: Elevator Cable Routing KR2S >Austin Clark wrote: >> >> I've hit a snag while routing the upper elevator control cable. The cable >> rubs the cross member at station M on the KR2S. >At 08:23 4/30/98 -0400, Don Reid wrote: > >Have you considered adding a pulley at station M. Since it will have >only a small change in direction, it can be small. It could be either >above or below the cross member, whichever works best. > >Alessandro Pecorara wrote: > >FWIW, having already drilled spar and bulkhead, I glued a small spruce >doubler to the M cross member, to hold, (by two screws) a plate of >nylon grooved in the middle. > >Marty wrote: > >I used a push-pull tube from the stick. I did not want to use cable for >about the same reason. Thanks for the feedback guys. I have built an aluminum bracket that mounts vertical to the M cross pieces. This bracket will hold 4 guide pulleys; two for the elevator cables and two for the rudder cables. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 17:43:38 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Elevator Cable Routing KR2S At 11:08 AM 5/3/98, you wrote: >Thanks for the feedback guys. I have built an aluminum bracket that mounts vertical to the M cross pieces. This bracket will hold 4 guide pulleys; two for the elevator cables and two for the rudder cables. > > If M is the station just ahead of the one that you mount the horizontal and vertical forward spars too, why couldn't you just cut out the top cross member and move it forward or aft and re-glue it? Seems to me that would be easier and much lighter than adding pulleys and brackets and more plywood. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 Less than one Wing to go! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #75 ****************************