From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, May 07, 1998 6:31 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #77 krnet-l-digest Thursday, May 7 1998 Volume 02 : Number 077 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 21:39:38 -0500 From: "Thomas J. Towle" Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident Micheal Mims wrote: > > At 08:48 PM 5/6/98 -0500, you wrote: > Good for you, Darrin...moreover, and even more importantly, there's no > >place for nationality-prejudicial crap on the KR net. Using an AGGIE > >would have been OK...because it's one of our own, so to speak. >>>> > > Well I am gona be a jerk and say I plan to use this joke at the airport ASAP > because I think its pretty damn funny! When a person fails to find humor in > something because it contains a reference to a race, religion, or > nationality then they have a problem! 90% of the time they are laughing on > the inside but for some reason feel to shameful to laugh out loud. To heck > with that! PC,....hell I cant even spell it! :o) > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290,.. Filling and sanding now! > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Irvine Ca > Fax 714.856.9417 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Mike...it IS funny, but using the Aggie approach doesn't offend anybody...you can't offend an Aggie. Why, when I told one the joke as an Aggie joke, he got so mad he threw himself on the floor...and missed! Your failure to reflect on the feelings of Polish people is where the problem lies. Do you think a Pole would appreciate the joke. It denigrates the individual and the people as a whole. But you're young and think you're sophisticated in your view of jokes regarding race, religion and nationality as harmless...and if anybody disagrees with YOUR assessment then THEY have the problem. Not so, Mike...you'll have to own that problem by yourself. Good luck at the a/p tomorrow if you insist that you're "gona be a jerk." Hey, Mike...you're the one who said it first. (x_+). Tom Towle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 21:51:30 -0500 From: "Dean R. Collette, MD" Subject: KR: Bill of Materials Netters, Since I am on the "buy-as-you-build" plan I was wondering if anyone has ever figured out what the bill of materials for the spars is. I am talking about center and outboard sections for the main and aft spars, including webbing and vertical members. I know that this is not a huge job to figure out, but, I'm feeling particularly lazy at the moment. Dean drdean@execpc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 19:46:56 -0700 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident Guess no one has heard of a "delete" button. stop complaining and go and build Micheal Mims wrote: > At 08:48 PM 5/6/98 -0500, you wrote: > Good for you, Darrin...moreover, and even more importantly, there's no > > >place for nationality-prejudicial crap on the KR net. Using an AGGIE > >would have been OK...because it's one of our own, so to speak. >>>> > > Well I am gona be a jerk and say I plan to use this joke at the > airport ASAP > because I think its pretty damn funny! When a person fails to find > humor in > something because it contains a reference to a race, religion, or > nationality then they have a problem! 90% of the time they are > laughing on > the inside but for some reason feel to shameful to laugh out loud. To > heck > with that! PC,....hell I cant even spell it! :o) > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290,.. Filling and sanding now! > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Irvine Ca > Fax 714.856.9417 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 22:46:55 -0700 From: Darrin West Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident Brian J Bland wrote: > > >At 08:48 PM 5/6/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Good for you, Darrin...moreover, and even more importantly, there's no > >>place for nationality-prejudicial crap on the KR net. Using an AGGIE > >>would have been OK...because it's one of our own, so to speak. >>>> > > > >Well I am gona be a jerk and say I plan to use this joke at the airport > ASAP > >because I think its pretty damn funny! When a person fails to find humor > in > >something because it contains a reference to a race, religion, or > >nationality then they have a problem! 90% of the time they are laughing on > >the inside but for some reason feel to shameful to laugh out loud. To heck > >with that! PC,....hell I cant even spell it! :o) > >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > >Micheal Mims > > > Way to go Mike! I agree with you 100%!! It was just a simple funny joke! > Now all you crybabies get over it and get back to building that KR!! :) > > Brian J. Bland > Claremore, OK > > bbland@busprod.com > http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.html Ok, enough crying. Back to building, but if I ever have the misfortune of crashing an airplane please don't laugh about it. It may upset my family and race. Darrin West KR-1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 21:52:13 -0000 From: "Brian J Bland" Subject: KR: Re: Bill of Materials >Since I am on the "buy-as-you-build" plan I was wondering if anyone has ever >figured out what the bill of materials for the spars is. I am talking about >center and outboard sections for the main and aft spars, including webbing >and vertical members. > > I know that this is not a huge job to figure out, but, I'm feeling >particularly lazy at the moment. > >Dean > Well the spruce for the center spars cost me about $195 from Wicks and the ply cost me $18 but of course I'm not using "Aircraft Certified" ply. (I can already feel the flames coming!) I am buying as I build but I haven't gotten to the outer spars yet so I can't help there. Brian J. Bland Claremore, OK bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 21:55:40 -0000 From: "Brian J Bland" Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident >Ok, enough crying. Back to building, but if I ever have the misfortune >of crashing an airplane please don't laugh about it. It may upset my >family and race. > >Darrin West >KR-1 > Damn!!! Nobody was even laughing about an individual crashing an airplane! It was a joke!! I think some people take things a little too seriously! This mail list is really beginning to tick me off. I don't even know why I still subscribe to it! Brian J. Bland Claremore, OK bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 22:09:39 -0500 From: "Dean R. Collette, MD" Subject: KR:Spar BOM Brian, My fault. By the "bill of materials" I meant the list of pieces (sizes) of wood and plywood that are required to build the spars. What sizes of what kinda wood did you ask Wicks for? For example - What would the dimension for the plywood have to be so that all of the webs could be cut from it with the grain running in the right direction. Dean drdean@execpc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 20:03:30 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident At 09:39 PM 5/6/98 -0500, you wrote: But you're young >and think you're sophisticated in your view of jokes regarding race, >religion and nationality as harmless...and if anybody disagrees with >YOUR assessment then THEY have the problem. Not so, Mike...you'll have >to own that problem by yourself. >>> Your right I blew it on that comment! Oh well enough on how PC we are and back to building eh? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Filling and sanding now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 20:06:57 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident (please no more) At 09:55 PM 5/6/98 -0000, you wrote: >It was a joke!! I think some people take things a little too seriously! >This mail list is really beginning to tick me off. I don't even know why I >still subscribe to it! > Relax Brian it was just a joke and I think everyone is taking it rather well. Unfortunately there are about 150 more KRnetters that will have to read it! Holly cow man! This will last until this weekend for sure! :o) zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Filling and sanding now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 20:08:47 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR:Spar BOM At 10:09 PM 5/6/98 -0500, you wrote: >Brian, >My fault. >By the "bill of materials" I meant the list of pieces (sizes) of wood and >plywood that are required to build the spars. What sizes of what kinda wood >did you ask Wicks for? Wicks and AS&S already have the list. You can usually tell them you need the material to build a spar and they know what to do from there. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Filling and sanding now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 23:13:20 -0700 From: "Bruce S. Campbell" Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident Micheal Mims wrote: > > Well I am gona be a jerk and say I plan to use this joke at the airport ASAP > because I think its pretty damn funny! When a person fails to find humor in > something because it contains a reference to a race, religion, or > nationality then they have a problem! 90% of the time they are laughing on > the inside but for some reason feel to shameful to laugh out loud. To heck > with that! PC,....hell I cant even spell it! :o) I'm with you Mike. A marine friend of mine, called him Ski for short, would start with the Polish jokes with the first beer. We ran out of beer every time and he was still telling 'em. Could not by enough beer to run him out of jokes and he never repeated the same one twice. No one in their right mind would tell him to stop. :o) Bruce S. Campbell Tampa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 22:21:25 -0500 From: "Dean R. Collette, MD" Subject: KR: Spar BOM Mike, I already tried this with Wicks - they explained that they have a list of all of the dimensions but that they don't know where these parts are used. In other words the kindly told me to figure out what I needed and then call them. Dean drdean@execpc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 22:20:09 -0000 From: "Brian J Bland" Subject: Re: KR:Spar BOM >Brian, >My fault. >By the "bill of materials" I meant the list of pieces (sizes) of wood and >plywood that are required to build the spars. What sizes of what kinda wood >did you ask Wicks for? > >For example - What would the dimension for the plywood have to be so that >all of the webs could be cut from it with the grain running in the right >direction. > > >Dean >drdean@execpc.com > 4 ea 1-1/4 x 2-1/4 x 84" center main spar 1 ea 1/2 x 2-5/32 x 30" center main spar verts 2ea 15/16 x 1-1/8 x 84" center rear spar 1ea 1/2 x 1/2 x 24" center rear spar verts 1ea 1/2 x 1-1/8 x 48" center rear spar verts 1ea 1/2 x 2-5/32 x 36" center main spar 4ea 7/8 x 7/8 x 79" outer rear spars 4ea 1-15/16 x 1-7/8 x 78" outer forward spars 1ea 1/2 x 1-15/16 x 66" outer forward spar verts 1ea 3/4 x 3/4 x 66" outer forward spar verts 1ea 1/2 x 1 x 42" outer rear spar verts 1ea 1/2 x 1/2 x42" outer rear spar verts Will take approx at least a 4' x 8' sheet and a 4' x 4' sheet of ply Brian J. Bland Claremore, OK bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 23:25:54, -0500 From: YCGB97A@prodigy.com (MR JEAN R VERON) Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident It's amazing. I can write about serious stuff like actual KR performance or building and get no replys. but tell one joke and the nett fills up with comments, By the way my best friend Jim Wrobleski thinks it is funny, Jean N4DD P.S. It was originally told about a C-152 for those Purest out there. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 20:31:31 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident At 11:25 PM 5/6/98 -0500, you wrote: >It's amazing. I can write about serious stuff like actual KR >performance or building and get no replys. but tell one joke and the >nett fills up with comments, By the way my best friend Jim Wrobleski >thinks it is funny, >Jean >N4DD >P.S. It was originally told about a C-152 for those Purest out there. > >;-) > Trust me Jean, I stored your post about performance (and all the others) in the "keeper" file! Plus I printed a hard copy. I thought I had posted a big thanks for the data but I guess I forgot. So thanks for the data! :o) zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Filling and sanding now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 21:33:26 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: KR: Real jokes (Was: KR-2 Accident) How many KR builders does it take to screw in a lightbulb? None. They are too busy building and helping others get stuff done to notice the bulb is burned out. Now onto real good stuff. KR accidents do happen. I seem to recall someone summarizing KR accidents. Seems a large percentage were due to running out of gas. Not much you can do about that . There may be problems with initial flights where people do not have "time in type". The flight testing manual being developed by Rick Junkin can go a long way to preventing first/early flight problems. There also seems to be a very willing effort to provide pilots with experience in type at gatherings. Seems to me that a little more effort or publicity and this group could be the driving force behind reducing real-life KR accidents. That would have several benefits: 1) Reduced injuries/deaths of KR dudes 2) More intact airplanes to get rides in 3) More experienced KR pilots to help others 4) Lower insurance rates for KRs The EZ community has had a Hospitality Club ( or something like that). People could get on a list and know that they have others to call or visit when flying. Perhaps something like that might be useful for the KR folks. It may not be a source of free lodging, but a source of technical help while building AND getting time in type. I suspect that a majority of the KR builders do not have internet access. I do not look at all the web sites every month, but I look enough to know that they are an excellent source of information. Seeing Mike Mims wing cores almost made me cry with joy. Guess I am rambling again. PS...did anyone decide on a gathering site for 99 or maybe in Jun or July of this year? If you respond on either of these topics, please change the subject. Ron "Had my first condition inspection today" Lee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 22:41:49 -0000 From: "Brian J Bland" Subject: KR:Spar BOM Take a look at: http://a51.wetworks.org/bland/kr-2sbom.jpg And you will find that a magical KR-2s Bill of materials has appeared on the web. Have no idea where it came from! ;) Brian J. Bland Claremore, OK bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 22:47:28 -0000 From: "Brian J Bland" Subject: KR: KR-2 Research >It's amazing. I can write about serious stuff like actual KR >performance or building and get no replys. but tell one joke and the >nett fills up with comments, By the way my best friend Jim Wrobleski >thinks it is funny, >Jean >N4DD >P.S. It was originally told about a C-152 for those Purest out there. > >;-) > Jean, I think I will need to do some research on how your KR performs after you get the mods done. :) (Maybe Jean won't realize that I am just begging for a ride! :) ) BTW, your KR mods were looking pretty good when I saw it in April. How are the mods coming anyway? Brian J. Bland Claremore, OK bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 23:08:28, -0500 From: YCGB97A@prodigy.com (MR JEAN R VERON) Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident KMA Lighten up. I have lost more friends than I would like to think. They would all laugh at this. JEAN N4DD ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 23:01:41 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: KR: Condition Inspection? > >Ron "Had my first condition inspection today" Lee > Should I take this to mean that you will be flying in to buy me breakfast Saturday morning? ;o) - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:42:33 -0700 From: "Martin Mulvey" Subject: Re: KR: Arlington Fly-in Hi all, It is Arlington, Washington. BRGDS Mart - -----Original Message----- From: Ron Lee To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: 06 May, 1998 16:05 Subject: Re: KR: Arlington Fly-in >Arlington......Texas? Georgia? New York? > >Sorry for being stupid. > >Ron Lee > >At 10:09 AM 5/6/98 -0800, you wrote: >>A few weeks ago there were several messages about the NW Arlington >>fly-in (July 8-12) and then that thread was dropped in favor of >>blah-blah, spark plugs, and more blah blah (sorry for the tude). >> >>Is anyone coming to Arlington this year? Primarily July 11 or 12 - the >>weekend - in their KR? (Not bringing pictures of it . . . I mean flying >>it here?) >> >>How about a KR2S? >> >>I'd hate to spend my time taking pictures of Lanceairs and RV's!! >> >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:53:38 -0700 From: "Martin Mulvey" Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident Hi all, One of the most important things to remember while involved in aviation is... after safety, a great sense of humor is greatly needed. I heard the joke a long time ago using a student pilot in a Chinese trainer and it was funny then. All the best!! Marty - -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: 06 May, 1998 20:05 Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident >At 09:39 PM 5/6/98 -0500, you wrote: >But you're young >>and think you're sophisticated in your view of jokes regarding race, >>religion and nationality as harmless...and if anybody disagrees with >>YOUR assessment then THEY have the problem. Not so, Mike...you'll have >>to own that problem by yourself. >>> > >Your right I blew it on that comment! Oh well enough on how PC we are and >back to building eh? >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290,.. Filling and sanding now! >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 714.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 08:21:48 EDT From: Kr2dream Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident Tom: FYI I AM Polish and I thought the joke was very funny! Bob Lasecki Chicago - home of the world's second largest Polish population. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 08:24:26 EDT From: Krwr1 Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident Hey I liked that joke too, some of you guys lighten up some. WildBill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 06:25:18 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Condition Inspection? Nope. Got some minor things to take care of first. Probably a couple of weeks away yet. sigh. Then once I start flying, I am assuming multiple hours HERE to build up my proficiency with the KR. After that, short trips...gradually building up to real cross-country flights. Ron >Should I take this to mean that you will be flying in to buy me breakfast >Saturday morning? ;o) > >------- >Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 08:06:07 -0400 From: Mike Cochran Subject: Re: KR: Arlington Fly-in > Date: 06 May, 1998 16:05 > Subject: Re: KR: Arlington Fly-in > > >Arlington......Texas? Georgia? New York? > > > >Sorry for being stupid. > > > >Ron Lee > > >> > Georgia Please. Americus,Ga. Site of Lindberg's solo flight . Big field at ACJ.Also have A&P and AVIONICS school on site. Mike Cochran South Georgia Tech.. > > >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 07:32:53 -0500 From: Ed Janssen Subject: KR: Think before joking, please I think the KR reference is distasteful, particularly on this mail list, don't you think? "Death" jokes can be particularly insensitive, especially if you've recently lost a close friend in an aircraft accident - like I have. There are other jokes out there that are more appropriate - and just as funny and will not offend. Ed Janssen. >At 08:48 PM 5/6/98 -0500, you wrote: >Good for you, Darrin...moreover, and even more importantly, there's no >>place for nationality-prejudicial crap on the KR net. Using an AGGIE >>would have been OK...because it's one of our own, so to speak. >>>> > >Well I am gona be a jerk and say I plan to use this joke at the airport ASAP >because I think its pretty damn funny! When a person fails to find humor in >something because it contains a reference to a race, religion, or >nationality then they have a problem! 90% of the time they are laughing on >the inside but for some reason feel to shameful to laugh out loud. To heck >with that! PC,....hell I cant even spell it! :o) >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290,.. Filling and sanding now! >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 714.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 08:51:38 -0500 From: pierce@pat.lgb.cal.boeing.com (Cole Pierce) Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident > > Good for you, Darrin...moreover, and even more importantly, there's no > place for nationality-prejudicial crap on the KR net. Using an AGGIE > would have been OK...because it's one of our own, so to speak. Besides, > Polish industry has produced some fine aircraft, and the Polish people > in general have heard this kind of junk for far too long. They are a > bright, intelligent group of Europeans, and we should get off their > case. > > And Jean, no need to come back to me telling me you didn't think > you'd cause so much concern. I know you didn't...and I know you were > just trying to be humorous. It IS kind of a cute joke, but shouldn't be > at the expense of a particular people who, God knows, have been the > brunt of this kind of humor over the years. TJT > On the other side of the coin ... my father-in-law was a first generation Polack, proud of his heritage, you betcha dupa. He'd call me at midnight if he heard a Polack joke he didn't think I'd heard before and laughed louder than I did. Okay, a phone call is a little different than a public posting, but if ya couldn't take a joke, ya shouldn'ta signed up (for Life, that is). - - ace (No *short* jokes allowed .. I'm sensitive about my vertical disability.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 10:03:39 EDT From: KR2 616TJ Subject: Re: KR: Composite finishing techniques In a message dated 98-05-06 22:38:06 EDT, you write: << Use 50/50 micro and "Cab-O-SIL" Wicks # M5 to consistence of shaving cream for best results in filling pin holes. Its too heavy for all but last coat of filler. I found that for larger areas, it might take 6 coats of filler to get the contour and smoothness I was happy with. >> Ok guys I'm throwing myself to the wolves again. I'm to the point now of getting rid of the millions of pin holes in my wings and getting ready for paint. While at Sun & Fun the demonstrater from Poly Fiber went through the process with me and he made it look like sliced bread. For those of you who don't know it is a four step process 1) Super fil, 3 lbs per gallon and sands like nobodies business, 2) Smooth Prime, water borne urethane, 3) Silver Shield UV, again water borne urethane that will not block imbedded antennas then 4) Their paint or any other you like. After watching it leaves a fabulous finish and is light as the water evaporates as the carrier. Before I take the plunge, does anyone know any horror stories????? 1) Engine rebuild complete tonight. 2) Fuel tank complete by the weekend. 3) Inspection panels installed in rear of fuse. 4) Aileron push rods measured and made. 5) Working on firewall forward wiring. 6) More @#$%@#$% sanding. Jean, did you hear the one about the %$ driver with the VW engine.......Oh well I better not go there :-)) Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 08:31:05 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Composite finishing techniques KR2 616TJ wrote: > Ok guys I'm throwing myself to the wolves again. I'm to the point now of > getting rid of the millions of pin holes in my wings and getting ready for > paint. While at Sun & Fun the demonstrater from Poly Fiber went through the > process with me and he made it look like sliced bread. For those of you who > don't know it is a four step process 1) Super fil, I doubt if anyone on the list has any experience with this product as it is fairly new. But I too would like to hear about it. If there is no response I guess I will post my opinion on it when I get there. I can say the Filler is great! I plan to buy more to do the bottom of the wings and fuselage this weekend. Maybe I will pick up some of the primer too. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290, Filling and sanding now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 11:03:35 -0500 From: "Thomas J. Towle" Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident Micheal Mims wrote: > > At 09:39 PM 5/6/98 -0500, you wrote: > But you're young > >and think you're sophisticated in your view of jokes regarding race, > >religion and nationality as harmless...and if anybody disagrees with > >YOUR assessment then THEY have the problem. Not so, Mike...you'll have > >to own that problem by yourself. >>> > > Your right I blew it on that comment! Oh well enough on how PC we are and > back to building eh? > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290,.. Filling and sanding now! > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Irvine Ca > Fax 714.856.9417 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Way to go, Mike...you're OK! ;o) I was half expecting a continued defense, but you're a man in my book. It took guts to come back with the above message. SINCERELY, Tom T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 12:06:11 -0400 From: eugene gargasz Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident thats a old joke , but the one who told it did'nt telll the whole story. Here is the rest of the story," all the reported casualties were laid out for interment face down with thier buttocks exposed so that those who found humor in that news story could pay thier proper respects." The ultimate coment to those who revel in what they percieve is humor at the expense of others, please pay your proper respects. Gene Gargasz > Brian J Bland wrote: > > > > >At 08:48 PM 5/6/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >Good for you, Darrin...moreover, and even more importantly, there's no > > >>place for nationality-prejudicial crap on the KR net. Using an AGGIE > > >>would have been OK...because it's one of our own, so to speak. >>>> > > > > > >Well I am gona be a jerk and say I plan to use this joke at the airport > > ASAP > > >because I think its pretty damn funny! When a person fails to find humor > > in > > >something because it contains a reference to a race, religion, or > > >nationality then they have a problem! 90% of the time they are laughing on > > >the inside but for some reason feel to shameful to laugh out loud. To heck > > >with that! PC,....hell I cant even spell it! :o) > > >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > > >Micheal Mims > > > > > Way to go Mike! I agree with you 100%!! It was just a simple funny joke! > > Now all you crybabies get over it and get back to building that KR!! :) > > > > Brian J. Bland > > Claremore, OK > > > > bbland@busprod.com > > http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.html > > Ok, enough crying. Back to building, but if I ever have the misfortune > of crashing an airplane please don't laugh about it. It may upset my > family and race. > > Darrin West > KR-1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 08:43:53 -0800 From: Bruce Toscano Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident > >From AP > > A KR-2 crashed shortly after takeoff Wednesday May 6th in Warsaw > Poland. The wreckage was found in the Warsaw cemetary. Three hundred > bodies have been recovered and that number is expected to climb as > digging goes thru the night. > > Jean > N4DD ;-) > And to believe this is what I subscribe to the "builders' KRNET for . . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 08:44:39 -0800 From: Bruce Toscano Subject: Re: KR: Arlington Fly-in Arlington, Washington ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 08:45:55 -0800 From: Bruce Toscano Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident > MR JEAN R VERON wrote: > > > > >From AP > > > > A KR-2 crashed shortly after takeoff Wednesday May 6th in Warsaw > > Poland. The wreckage was found in the Warsaw cemetary. Three hundred > > bodies have been recovered and that number is expected to climb as > > digging goes thru the night. > > > > Jean > > N4DD ;-) > Is this supposed to be a Polock joke? If so I'd like to find humor > in something other than a plane crash. > > Darrin West > KR-1 I'd just like to find humor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 08:49:31 -0800 From: Bruce Toscano Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident > Good for you, Darrin...moreover, and even more importantly, there's no > place for nationality-prejudicial crap on the KR net. Using an AGGIE Underline CRAP ON THE KR NET. You know, I'm too busy to read all this important "builders' mail" which is why I subscribed in the first place. Do we really have to wade through all this s____ to get the meaningful information? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 12:59:25 -0500 From: "A.Doherty" Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident Ha Ha this is all very entertaining, but who cares really. Let's get back to kr issues.Personal issues should be e-mails directly between interested parties.Let's keep the krNet to Kr stuff. Bruce Toscano wrote: > > MR JEAN R VERON wrote: > > > > > > >From AP > > > > > > A KR-2 crashed shortly after takeoff Wednesday May 6th in Warsaw > > > Poland. The wreckage was found in the Warsaw cemetary. Three hundred > > > bodies have been recovered and that number is expected to climb as > > > digging goes thru the night. > > > > > > Jean > > > N4DD ;-) > > Is this supposed to be a Polock joke? If so I'd like to find humor > > in something other than a plane crash. > > > > Darrin West > > KR-1 > > I'd just like to find humor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 15:30:46 -0300 From: Renato Leonardo Thiel Subject: KR: UNSubscribe Please UnSubscribe me for a while... Thanks Thiel, ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:50:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: KR: Plea to KRNet subscribers Please put the word JOKE in the subject line of any future joke, or joke reply messages. I have set up my software to ignore all future messages with the word JOKE in the subject line. Like has been said many times already, lets get back to building airplanes and no more replies to this thread. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 12:53:21 -0600 From: Bob Bryenton Subject: KR: Unsubscribe Please Unsubscribe me from this list Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 17:35:26 EDT From: KR2 616TJ Subject: KR: Super Fil For you guys who don't know what Mike & I were talking about, Poly Fiber, who have been in the aircraft fabric business for years, is now into the composite finishing business. I bought some of their Super Fil which makes filing with resin and micro damn near history, at least for me. The stuff is epoxy resin with an MDA-free hardener so you don't pay hazardous shipping. It is advertises to adhere to aluminum, steel, composties and bare or varnished wood and does not shrink. When they say you can sand the stuff, they mean it, it sands like there's no tommorrow......and believe me, I KNOW SANDING. Tech stuff --cure time: 8 hrs. at 77 F, cure to sand 12 hours, pot life 1 hour at 77F, shelf life unopened 2 years. The important stuff one quart $11.85 out of Aircraft Spruce. I'm not going to go into the smooth prime (pinhole killer) process, I probably sound like an advertisement as it is but by what I've seen it flat out works and has no fumes and is not flammable and the best way to put it on is, get this, with a roller....then clean up with water. Check out their web site http://www.polyfiber.com Fill out the form they have and they will send you a four page instruction "manual" on the system. I really, really, really, really, really think this things going to be done this summer. YYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 18:24:38 -0700 From: "Bruce S. Campbell" Subject: Re: KR: Composite finishing techniques KR2 616TJ wrote: > >> Before I take the plunge, does anyone know any horror stories????? > > 1) Engine rebuild complete tonight. > 2) Fuel tank complete by the weekend. > 3) Inspection panels installed in rear of fuse. > 4) Aileron push rods measured and made. > 5) Working on firewall forward wiring. > 6) More @#$%@#$% sanding. > > Jean, did you hear the one about the %$ driver with the VW engine.......Oh > well I better not go there :-)) > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ Holy smokes Dana! Sun 'n' Fun must have fired you up. Is it true that if you give birth to a KR2 any time durring the year that you dcan deduct the expences for the whole year? ;o) Bruce S. Campbell Tampa, Florida, The land of Santaria, Black Magic, and the Magic Kingdom. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 20:04:09 EDT From: DFCPAC Subject: KR: filling materials does any one have a good recommendation for a good filler material? i've sanded the paint off the wing and there are a few spots that need to be touched up. i've tried aeropoxy with microballons not very happy with results. has any one used super fil? regards danny ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 20:36:50 -0400 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re: anyone know what the going rate is for a D-fly canopy? Rich Parker Jaffrey, NH theparkers@monad.net http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 20:38:42 -0400 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re: Super Fil Anyone know what the going rate on a D-fly canopy is? Rich Parker Jaffrey, NH theparkers@monad.net http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 18:02:32 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: filling materials At 08:04 PM 5/7/98 EDT, you wrote: >does any one have a good recommendation for a good filler material? i've >sanded the paint off the wing and there are a few spots that need to be >touched up. i've tried aeropoxy with microballons not very happy with results. >has any one used super fil? > There was just three or four post on Superfil in the last 24hrs. Its great stuff! And your right about aeropoxy and micro-balloons, its pretty bad! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Filling and sanding now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 18:54:25 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: KR: Re: D'fly Windshields My invoice from last year says $420 plus shipping and $15 crating if you purchase through Viking Aircraft. It has to ship via truck freight, which isn't cheap. Mine cost me about $175 shipping from the factory in California to New Mexico. If you try to buy directly through the factory (Aircraft Windshields), they will jack the price 100 - 150 $$ for you. Expect 6 - 8 weeks delivery unless you happen to live close enough to CA to go pick it up. Call Viking Aircraft in the evenings @ (414) 723-1048. They will take your order then have Aircraft Windshileds ship it to you. - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Thu, 7 May 1998 20:38:42 -0400 "Richard Parker" writes: >Anyone know what the going rate on a D-fly canopy is? > > >Rich Parker >Jaffrey, NH >theparkers@monad.net >http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #77 ****************************