From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Saturday, May 09, 1998 6:21 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #78 krnet-l-digest Saturday, May 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 078 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 20:17:26 -0700 From: Robert Maniss Subject: KR: Bolt requirements Anyone have a list of the AN bolts used and where they used them (AN3-??? at tail surface hinges, etc.? Appreciated the list of spruce requirements. Thanks. Bob Maniss Abilene, TX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 22:05:13 EDT From: HAshraf Subject: Re: KR: Super Fil Does this system need some waterproofing after the final coat or it dries inslouble (like cement). I know that some car manufacturers use water based urethanes but they 'catalyse' the top coat or use a clearcoat. Haris Ashraf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 22:10:27 EDT From: HAshraf Subject: KR: Re: D'fly Windshields Does anyone know what is the maximum width of the KR-2 fuselage after which the stock canopy cannot be used? Haris Ashraf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 20:01:37 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: D'fly Windshields At 10:10 PM 5/7/98 EDT, you wrote: >Does anyone know what is the maximum width of the KR-2 fuselage after which >the stock canopy cannot be used? > >Haris Ashraf > I checked out the KR2S canopy at RR and I don't think you could go much over 2 inches wider than stock (if that). It is not very flexible. I think you live here in S Ca don't you? Aircraft Windshields is located in the Long Beach area and he will sell you a Dragonfly windshield as long as you are not building a Dragonfly. I think the local price is $420 + tax. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Filling and sanding now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 23:04:53 EDT From: DFCPAC Subject: Re: KR: Re: D'fly Windshields can the dragonfly canopy fit in a standard kr-2 canopy? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 22:14:40 From: Flesner Subject: Re: KR: transponder ant At 09:54 PM 5~5~98 EDT, you wrote: >I'm going to have to install a transponder as I am in the Twin Cities and will >want >to fly out of the local airports. I'm wondering what others have done about >the ant. and its installation. Any suggestions will be helpful. > >Thanks, >Dan Shervheim > Dan, I just purchased a King KT-78A transponder from a local A.C. salvage yard for $550 and he said he had an antenna for less than $40 and an encoder for $100. The antenna us just a few inches long and I plan on installing it in the belly of the KR and put a ground plane on the inside if required. There are antennas advertised in trade-a-plane at different prices so check out the sources and talk to a local shop about the installation. Make sure you take some pictures of your project to show the technicians and they will get so excited that they may even offer to help. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 23:41:33 EDT From: HAshraf Subject: KR: Re: D'fly Windshields Thanks for the information. HA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 22:53:08 From: Flesner Subject: Re: KR: Bolt requirements At 08:17 PM 5~7~98 -0700, you wrote: >Anyone have a list of the AN bolts used and where they used them >(AN3-??? at tail surface hinges, etc.? Appreciated the list of spruce >requirements. Thanks. >Bob Maniss Abilene, TX > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- Bob, You could start with the hardware listing in the Wick's catolog for the KR and factor in any changes. Your best bet will be to add five bolts of each length (dash 3 through 32 or whatever) to each order from Wick's , A.C Spruce, etc. until you have a good supply. It's handy to have other misc. hardware also, nut of all kinds, washers, etc. Just as well get the bolt sizer also and go to Lowes or other supplier and get some plastic boxes to keep them in. You can't plan the project in fine enough detail that you won't ever need a few extra bolts of who knows what length!!!!!! Larry Flesner P.S. get a Wick's and A.C. Spruce catolog and the Tony Bingalis books. They are a wealth of information. The catalogs are worth their cost even if you never order a thing. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 20:52:27 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: D'fly Windshields At 11:04 PM 5/7/98 EDT, you wrote: >can the dragonfly canopy fit in a standard kr-2 canopy? > Can you make a D-fly canopy fit a standard KR2? Yes. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Filling and sanding now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 20:55:43 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Bolt requirements At 10:53 PM 5/7/98, you wrote: You can't plan the project in fine enough detail that you won't ever need a few extra bolts of who knows what length!!!!!! > >Larry Flesner > You are SOOOOO right! My hanger is only about 10 minutes from AS&S and I have returned so many bolts because they should have been a little shorter or a little longer. There is absolutely no way to order only the bolts required for your project. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Filling and sanding now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 00:39:01 -0500 From: "Terry Chizek" Subject: Re: KR: Double checking - ---------- > From: Austin Clark > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: Double checking > Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 12:27 AM > > At 22:45 3/24/98 -0600, you wrote: > > > >Austin i got the dimension on the aa1 grumman windsheard its 40" across the rails . I thank i be ordering me one . terry chizek kr2s on the gear ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 08:09:39 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: filling materials DFCPAC wrote: > > does any one have a good recommendation for a good filler material? > i've tried aeropoxy with microballons not very happy with results. > has any one used super fil? There has been a thread on SuperFil and how a lot of people like it. It is a good product, but I think that it is fairly expensive. The epoxy base in SuperFil is the same as AlphaPoxy, which is one of the cheaper epoxy types. When you use SuperFil, you are paying for the convenience of a premixed product. SuperFil is the epoxy, microballons, and a few additives. Alphapoxy and micro does almost as good as Superfil and is a fraction of the cost. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 08:38:40 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: Bolt requirements Flesner wrote: > > At 08:17 PM 5~7~98 -0700, you wrote: > >Anyone have a list of the AN bolts used and where they used them > >(AN3-??? at tail surface hinges, etc.? Appreciated the list of spruce > >requirements. Thanks. > >Bob Maniss Abilene, TX > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > > Bob, > You could start with the hardware listing in the Wick's catolog for the > KR and factor in any changes. Your best bet will be to add five bolts > of each length (dash 3 through 32 or whatever) to each order from > Wick's , A.C Spruce, etc. until you have a good supply. It's handy > to have other misc. hardware also, nut of all kinds, washers, etc. > Just as well get the bolt sizer also and go to Lowes or other supplier > and get some plastic boxes to keep them in. You can't plan the > project in fine enough detail that you won't ever need a few extra > bolts of who knows what length!!!!!! > > Larry Flesner > > P.S. get a Wick's and A.C. Spruce catolog and the Tony Bingalis > books. They are a wealth of information. The catalogs are > worth their cost even if you never order a thing. Bob, I bought the "bolt kit" from Rand, but found that these are only the bare minimum. I probably bought at least that many more a few at a time as the need came up. I should be on Wicks' Christmas card list! Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 07:36:36 -0500 From: sarce@tri-lakes.net Subject: [none] unsubscribe krnet-l ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 07:37:22 -0500 From: sarce@tri-lakes.net Subject: [none] unsubscribe krnet-l ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 07:38:00 -0500 From: sarce@tri-lakes.net Subject: [none] unsubscribe krnet-l ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:38:23 EDT From: KR2 616TJ Subject: Re: KR: Super Fil In a message dated 98-05-07 22:08:17 EDT, you write: << Does this system need some waterproofing after the final coat or it dries inslouble (like cement). I know that some car manufacturers use water based urethanes but they 'catalyse' the top coat or use a clearcoat. Haris Ashraf >> It dries insoluable. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:47:40 EDT From: KR2 616TJ Subject: Re: KR: Composite finishing techniques In a message dated 98-05-07 18:20:58 EDT, you write: << Holy smokes Dana! Sun 'n' Fun must have fired you up. Is it true that if you give birth to a KR2 any time durring the year that you dcan deduct the expences for the whole year? ;o) Bruce S. Campbell >> Bruce, (Sorry guys for the attempt at humor, I'm not going to tell a joke here.) Yeh, but it has been a 3 year birthing process but instead of squeezing it out your %#$%# you pay for it thru the nose. :-)). Remember what I said, you can deduct anything you want on your tax return, it just might not stay there.....even with the kinder, more gentle IRS. Dana Overall RIchmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 11:17:06 EDT From: EagleGator Subject: KR: Thanks for all the info!! Well, folks, I've had enough, I guess. Time for me to unsubscribe. I know they happen infrequently, but the off-topic pissing contests have gotten the better of me, and I don't care to read them anymore. I subscribed to the digest to try and cut down my "useless" message traffic, but it has even become difficult to pick the pearls from among the muck on the digest. I can't say "thank you" enough to everyone who has provided both questions and answers over the past couple of years, there is much to be learned here. Ross, a special thanks to you for continuing your "labor of love" and keeping this list going, it's an invaluable resource when used properly. See y'all at the Gathering this year! I'll stay in touch through other members of this list as the details for this years events get firmed up. I'm still looking for volunteers for leading seminars, but no arm twisting. I'm still working on the test plan, and it will remain available on my web page. Thanks again to everyone who helped on that project! Cheers, Rick Junkin St. Louis MO eaglegator@aol.com http://members.aol.com/eaglegator ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 14:06:17 -0400 From: smithr Subject: KR: elevator bolts Does anyone elese besides me feel a little nervous about that single bolt (per plans) from elev hinge to elev spar? What happened to redundancy? The bolt is probably strong enough but if a nut comes off, you are probably in deep trouble. Wouldn't it make sense to use 2 smaller bolts? Bob Smith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:09:21 EDT From: KR2 616TJ Subject: Re: KR: Thanks for all the info!! In a message dated 98-05-08 11:18:19 EDT, you write: << I know they happen infrequently, but the off-topic pissing contests have gotten the better of me, and I don't care to read them anymore. I subscribed to the digest to try and cut down my "useless" message traffic, but it has even become difficult to pick the pearls from among the muck on the digest. >> Rick, I hate to see you go, for that matter you may already be xxxubscribed. If you are not going to change your mind, be assured I appreciate your input on this net and I for one have already used your test plan in test flying my buddies Kitfox for him, but you know that as I have told you so off the KRnet. I understand how you feel. I'll get on a soapbox here and reply "off subject" but guys there is enough good information to go around, keep it on subject and IF YOU ARE OFFENDED BY SOMETHING SOMEONE SAYS, DO US ALL A FAVOR AND SIMPLY DON'T REPLY . If you have another opinion "on topic", and that's KRs, let us know. If you still want to reply, do it off the KRnet, I don't want to listen to your pissing, nor does anyone else. All you newbees, hang in here it's not always like this, if you don't watch out the only people who are going to be on this net are people just starting out and all of us with web pages or who are far enough along to point out things we would do different (experience here, MM) are going to simply finish up and be gone and the progress that I believe we've made in ressurrecting the KR (look at all the recent articles and Tom Crawford's photo shoot from Sun & Fun) is going to come to a halt. I would hope that all of us on the KRnet are adults and not so thin skinned, or as someone else said such purists, that you can be offended by a joke, don't run someone as educated and someone so dedicated to the KR as Rick off simply because someone stepped on your toe, grow up. Jean, keep feeding us information on your tests. If you want to see what the KRnet has been, go look at the archieves, tons of information. Believe me, I speak from experience here, I'd much rather keep experience on the KRnet than hear how someone's feelings have been hurt. And I sometimes can get a little "off topic". If you're offended by this..........well, just keep it on topic. I for one will continue to communicate with The EagleGator off the KRnet. Now I'll put a smile on and lighten up, but guys do the same and LIGHTEN UP. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 11:13:53 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: elevator bolts At 02:06 PM 5/8/98 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone elese besides me feel a little nervous about that single >bolt (per plans) from elev hinge to elev spar? What happened to >redundancy? The bolt is probably strong enough but if a nut comes off, >you are probably in deep trouble. Wouldn't it make sense to use 2 >smaller bolts? > >Bob Smith > You should flox those bolts in place as well as the hinge. You will not have much room towards the tips for two bolts anyway. Besides there hasnt been one break in 1000's of flight hours. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Filling and sanding now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:13:29 EDT From: KR2 616TJ Subject: Re: KR: elevator bolts In a message dated 98-05-08 14:05:53 EDT, you write: << Does anyone elese besides me feel a little nervous about that single bolt (per plans) from elev hinge to elev spar? What happened to redundancy? The bolt is probably strong enough but if a nut comes off, you are probably in deep trouble. Wouldn't it make sense to use 2 smaller bolts? Bob Smith >> Bob, if you are talking about the actual attachment bolt, not the thru bolt for the hinge itself, I used two bolts with the backplate. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 12:31:08 -0500 From: "Rick Hanson" Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident I liked the joke. - ---------- > From: Brian J Bland > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident > Date: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 4:28 PM > > > >At 08:48 PM 5/6/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Good for you, Darrin...moreover, and even more importantly, there's no > >>place for nationality-prejudicial crap on the KR net. Using an AGGIE > >>would have been OK...because it's one of our own, so to speak. >>>> > > > >Well I am gona be a jerk and say I plan to use this joke at the airport > ASAP > >because I think its pretty damn funny! When a person fails to find humor > in > >something because it contains a reference to a race, religion, or > >nationality then they have a problem! 90% of the time they are laughing on > >the inside but for some reason feel to shameful to laugh out loud. To heck > >with that! PC,....hell I cant even spell it! :o) > >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > >Micheal Mims > > > Way to go Mike! I agree with you 100%!! It was just a simple funny joke! > Now all you crybabies get over it and get back to building that KR!! :) > > Brian J. Bland > Claremore, OK > > bbland@busprod.com > http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 12:33:36 -0500 From: "Rick Hanson" Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident I liked the joke. I guess because I didn't read anything into it. I took it as a simple funny joke. - ---------- > From: Darrin West > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident > Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 12:46 AM > > Brian J Bland wrote: > > > > >At 08:48 PM 5/6/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >Good for you, Darrin...moreover, and even more importantly, there's no > > >>place for nationality-prejudicial crap on the KR net. Using an AGGIE > > >>would have been OK...because it's one of our own, so to speak. >>>> > > > > > >Well I am gona be a jerk and say I plan to use this joke at the airport > > ASAP > > >because I think its pretty damn funny! When a person fails to find humor > > in > > >something because it contains a reference to a race, religion, or > > >nationality then they have a problem! 90% of the time they are laughing on > > >the inside but for some reason feel to shameful to laugh out loud. To heck > > >with that! PC,....hell I cant even spell it! :o) > > >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > > >Micheal Mims > > > > > Way to go Mike! I agree with you 100%!! It was just a simple funny joke! > > Now all you crybabies get over it and get back to building that KR!! :) > > > > Brian J. Bland > > Claremore, OK > > > > bbland@busprod.com > > http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.html > > > Ok, enough crying. Back to building, but if I ever have the misfortune > of crashing an airplane please don't laugh about it. It may upset my > family and race. > > Darrin West > KR-1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 12:58:07 -0600 From: Bob Bryenton Subject: KR: Unsubscribe How do I unsubscribe from this list? Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 13:41:27 -0700 From: Robert Maniss Subject: KR: Bolt requirements Thanks, Larry, Tom, Mike and you other guys, for the responses. As usual it was the obvious that I couldn't think of. I, like you Tom, ordered the "bolt kit" but couldn't seem to make it "fit." Since I have the Wicks and the AS & S catalogs your suggestions will work and are appreciated. Bob Maniss Abilene, TX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:30:29 EDT From: KR2 616TJ Subject: Re: KR: elevator bolts In a message dated 98-05-08 14:14:25 EDT, you write: << >Bob Smith > You should flox those bolts in place as well as the hinge. You will not have much room towards the tips for two bolts anyway. Besides there hasnt been one break in 1000's of flight hours. >> Bob, I need to expand on what I did a little. Two bolts are very tight, if I had to do it over again I would probably do as Mike says. Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 12:38:37 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: elevator bolts At 03:30 PM 5/8/98 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-05-08 14:14:25 EDT, you write: > ><< > >Bob Smith > > > > You should flox those bolts in place as well as the hinge. You will not > have much room towards the tips for two bolts anyway. Besides there hasnt > been one break in 1000's of flight hours. >> > >Bob, I need to expand on what I did a little. Two bolts are very tight, if I >had to do it over again I would probably do as Mike says. Keep in mind this is only for the hinge on the elevator side, the hinge on the stabilizer side should have two bolts, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Filling and sanding now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 16:58:18 From: Austin Clark Subject: KR: Grumman Windshield (was Double checking) At 00:39 5/8/98 -0500, you wrote: >> >Austin i got the dimension on the aa1 grumman windsheard its 40" across >the rails . > I thank i be ordering me one . > > terry >chizek kr2s on the gear > > Thanks Terry, 40" will fit! How do you plan to do yours? I will work up some ideas and sketches on how I think I can make it work on my KR2S and post them on my web page. Austin Clark Pascagoula, MS itac@datasync.com http://www.datasync.com/~itac/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 21:33:50 -0700 From: Darrin West Subject: Re: KR: elevator bolts smithr wrote: > > Does anyone elese besides me feel a little nervous about that single > bolt (per plans) from elev hinge to elev spar? What happened to > redundancy? The bolt is probably strong enough but if a nut comes off, > you are probably in deep trouble. Wouldn't it make sense to use 2 > smaller bolts? > > Bob Smith Bob, My KR-1 plans show the center line of the hinge/spar joint and show a picture which clearly shows two bolts being used (pg.20-photo #6). Also, on pg.22, the center hinge is shown using two bolts verticaly to secure the hinge. Darrin West KR-1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 17:41:40 -0800 From: "Parley T. Byington" Subject: Re: KR: transponder ant I installed mine just behind the seat. I glued a 12X12 piece of aluminum sheeting onto the floor as a ground plane then drilled the antena hole in the middle. It has been working fine for 7 years. A wise man once said, "Only fools take offense when offense is not intended but it is a bigger fool who takes offense when it IS intended". Think about it! Regards Parley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 21:55:33 -0700 From: Darrin West Subject: Re: KR: elevator bolts Darrin West wrote: > > smithr wrote: > > > > Does anyone elese besides me feel a little nervous about that single > > bolt (per plans) from elev hinge to elev spar? What happened to > > redundancy? The bolt is probably strong enough but if a nut comes off, > > you are probably in deep trouble. Wouldn't it make sense to use 2 > > smaller bolts? > > > > Bob Smith > > Bob, > My KR-1 plans show the center line of the hinge/spar joint and show a > picture which clearly shows two bolts being used (pg.20-photo #6). > Also, on pg.22, the center hinge is shown using two bolts verticaly to > secure the hinge. > > Darrin West > KR-1 Woops!! I was looking at stab. spar to hinge and you were refering to elev. spar to hinge. Hey, I'm only human!! Darrin West KR-1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:13:15 -0500 From: "Terry Chizek" Subject: KR: Re: Grumman Windshield (was Double checking) - ---------- > From: Austin Clark > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: Grumman Windshield (was Double checking) > Date: Friday, May 08, 1998 11:58 AM > Thanks Terry, 40" will fit! How do you plan to do yours? I will work up > some ideas and sketches on how I think I can make it work on my KR2S and > post them on my web page. I want to look at it again before I order it I plane to go with one gall door . I leaf out some cross brices so I can adjust the width some what fore the windshield . ps dose someone know the timing for vw revmaster I had to take the mag off to get to the points ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 22:06:08 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Taming (timing) the Compufire Tom, Any hints regarding the setup for doing timing. Do you cut out the degreed ring, or just mark TDC, and 10-20 TDC, or are there other tricks. The idea of standing near a moving prop with a timing light is not my idea of fun. -- Ross Tom Crawford wrote: > KR2 616TJ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 98-05-04 10:34:38 EDT, you write: > > > > << Guess what- I gained 100 RPM > > and > > 15 MPH on the top end. >> > > > > Dang Tom, what is your top end now??? Besides having a great looking plane, > > now it's a haul as$ banchy. You may need that mach meter! Boy it looks like > > I'll have to make it back down to Gainesville:-)). Steve's email is > > gpasc@earthlink.net > > > > Good Flying > > > > Dana Overall > > Richmond, KY > > kr2616tj@aol.com > > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > > Dana, > > Top end now at 3600 RPM is 185 MPH, but I think I can do better. Still > have some "tweaking" to do, fairing, etc. > > Tom Crawford > tomc@afn.org > Gainesville, Fl > N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 22:36:21 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Super Fil For System III paints, you use an "activator" which hardens the epoxy elements in the paint. It is even fuel resistant. HAshraf wrote: > Does this system need some waterproofing after the final coat or it dries > inslouble (like cement). I know that some car manufacturers use water based > urethanes but they 'catalyse' the top coat or use a clearcoat. > > Haris Ashraf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 07:14:57 EDT From: KR2 616TJ Subject: KR: Cowling. Does anyone have a Revmaster RR cowling sitting around out there? If so could you measure the length and let me know? Dana Overall Richmond, KY kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 10:09:47 -0400 From: Tom Andersen Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Accident vs Serious Stuff Jean You are absolutely right. When I wrote that I'm thinking of making my elevators 20% smaller I got one reply. Someone writes an off-topic joke and that get's 25 replies. I think we have a serious case of non-participation on the KR Net. In my opinion KR Net is NOT a one-way street. WAAAY to many netters are reading this like another newsgroup, and not offering their own thoughts on a subject or asking dumb questions. You know what would happen if we ALL started reading and not posting? NOTHING. There would be nothing to read. If some of you think there's too much mail on KR Net, then uns*bscribe or use your *delete* key for a few days and pretend your not s*bscribed! I don't think there's enough topics, and we beat the few we have to death. As an active KR builder, I'm married to that mass of spruce and glass in the garage, and I'm betting my life on it's integrity and performance, so I CAN'T GET ENOUGH KR MAIL! For all of you who responded to the polish joke but don't normally respond to serious mail, shame on you. PLEASE speak on the KR topics as well! - -Tom in Orlando Assembling main outer spars. MR JEAN R VERON wrote: > It's amazing. I can write about serious stuff like actual KR > performance or building and get no replys. but tell one joke and the > nett fills up with comments, By the way my best friend Jim Wrobleski > thinks it is funny, > Jean > N4DD > P.S. It was originally told about a C-152 for those Purest out there. > > ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 10:24:20 -0400 From: Tom Andersen Subject: Re: KR: Re: Flight Test Jean, THANK YOU THANK YOU. I've just returned from my honeymoon and am catching up on my mail. What this means is that at 175 mph the wingtips are flying at a 2.5 degree negative angle of attack. I would think that the center section has to fly at an higher angle of attack than necessary, just to counter this. Could this cause negative lift at the wingtips? I have been very curious about this for a long time, and am going with one degree incidence on my KR, with one degree washout. This should put the fuselage at 0 degrees to the airstream. 2.5 degrees at the tail equals about eight inches of tilt there, so the tail is flying 8 inches higher than the nose at 175 mph. Talk about drag. Then the tail has to produce lift to maintain this decalage (draggy) and that could decrease longitudinal stability. Am I talking out my ass here or am I on to something? - -Tom in Orlando Assembling Outer Main Spars MR JEAN R VERON wrote: > For those interested we flew Martin Roberts the other day and did > some more testing. I held a protractor on the top of the upper > longeron between the canopy bow and instrument pannel. At 145 mph it > indicated 1 1/2 deg. nose down. At 175 mph it was 2 1/2 deg. nose > down. This was done at 3000 msl. I wanted to do a 200 mph but the > wind started gusting which made reading the protractor impossable. > His plane has the original wing , incidence and washout. Hope this > helps. > Jean > N4DD > Broken Arrow,OK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 10:32:25 -0400 From: Tom Andersen Subject: Re: KR: Taming (timing) the Compufire Tom, What altitude is your 3600 Rpm and 185 mph? The KR-2 advertised speed of 180 mph is at altitude, with a turbocharged VW making 80 hp still. You're doing better at sea level! - -Tom in Orlando Outer spars Bruce S. Campbell wrote: > Tom Crawford wrote: > > > > Top end now at 3600 RPM is 185 MPH, but I think I can do better. Still > > have some "tweaking" to do, fairing, etc. > > > > Tom Crawford > > tomc@afn.org > > Gainesville, Fl > > N262TC > > Wow! It's amazing what big gains those little tweaks produce. Way to go > Tom! > > Bruce S. Campbell > Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:39:54 EDT From: LngDistRep Subject: Re: KR: Taming (timing) the Compufire Hi Tom, Paul from Orlando also. Working on a KR-2 here. We will have to do some serious chatting on KR's. Paul in Orlando Morning to all! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 12:43:02 EDT From: EagleGator Subject: Re: KR: Thanks for all the info!! P.S. Latest Test Plan Info In a message dated 5/9/98 0:49:38 AM EST, krnet@krnet.org writes: << BTW, if the latest test plan isn't too large, could you email me a copy? Or just let me know the link again and I will fetch a new copy. >> One last thing (if I'm still subscribed), I finally got a copy of Word 97 and posted the latest version of the test plan in HTML on my web page. Just click on the link that says that the online version is version 7 without tables, etc. That link now takes you to a full blown copy of version 8, I just haven't changes the page yet. You can thank Mark Langford for pushing me to buy the software to get this done ;o). Cheers, Rick Junkin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 15:05:28 EDT From: MikeT nyc Subject: KR: KR titles and Porno-Spam I've recently noticed that many post are coming on this list with ambiguous or "cutesy" titles that don't necessarily sound like they're aviation-related. This is a problem for me because on AOL, you get UNBELIEVABLE amounts of spam offering pornographic material, and the spammers use quirky, ambiguous titles like this to get by software filters. Therefore, if people post things like "Check this Out!", "Yoo-Hoo!", "Zowee!", or (today's winner) "BOM," they gets deleted unread, because that's how pornographers title their posts and I don't have time to open all the garbage before I delete it. The best thing, of course, is when the title actually explains what the post is about, but could it at least mention KR's or flying in some way? Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 15:30:02 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: Taming (timing) the Compufire Ross Youngblood wrote: > > Tom, > Any hints regarding the setup for doing timing. Do you cut out the degreed ring, > or just mark TDC, and > 10-20 TDC, or are there other tricks. > > The idea of standing near a moving prop with a timing light is not my idea of > fun. > > -- Ross > > You and me both, my friend. First, take the prop off. Next, mark TDC on your prop hub. I like the method of initially making two temp. marks- one when the piston stops going up, and one where it starts going down again as you turn the hub thru TDC on #1. Now make your permanent mark exactly between the two temp. marks. This is TDC. I used a fine hacksaw blade to make a small mark in the hub. Next cut out the degree wheel Steve B. puts in his book. Use it to make a similar mark at 27 deg. before TDC. I dont know which dist. you are using, they all have different amounts of advance. I used the 009 by Bosch because it is all mechanical advance and is cheap. Prop is off, right? Rev engine up to about 2500 RPM, (the advance should be fully engaged then) shine the timing light on the hub, adjust dist. so it shows on your 27 deg. mark. Yer done. Hope this helps. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 13:16:57 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: KR: Re: Latest Test Plan Info (Joke) >One last thing (if I'm still subscribed), I finally got a copy of Word 97 and >posted the latest version of the test plan in HTML on my web page. Just click >on the link that says that the online version is version 7 without tables, >etc. That link now takes you to a full blown copy of version 8, I just >haven't changes the page yet. You can thank Mark Langford for pushing me to >buy the software to get this done ;o). > >Cheers, >Rick Junkin Yes Rick...you are still subscribed. We must caution you that unsubscribing by someone who contributes a lot to this group will likely result in a late night visit by the "Subscribing Patrol". They will stealthily gain entrance to your residence and resubscribe you. In addition....they do it with a secret password that keeps you on KRNET. So just accept your fate and realize that you may have to endure a little junk postings like this as compensation for the improvement in safety that your test plan will provide. Ron "Ex-Walrus...nope, is it Ex-seal? Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 15:33:08 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: Taming (timing) the Compufire Tom Andersen wrote: > > Tom, > What altitude is your 3600 Rpm and 185 mph? > The KR-2 advertised speed of 180 mph is at altitude, with a turbocharged VW > making 80 hp still. You're doing better at sea level! > -Tom in Orlando > Outer spars > > Bruce S. Campbell wrote: > > > Tom Crawford wrote: > > > > > > Top end now at 3600 RPM is 185 MPH, but I think I can do better. Still > > > have some "tweaking" to do, fairing, etc. > > > > > > Tom Crawford > > > tomc@afn.org > > > Gainesville, Fl > > > N262TC > > > > Wow! It's amazing what big gains those little tweaks produce. Way to go > > Tom! > > > > Bruce S. Campbell > > Tampa, Florida 185 MPH was corrected airspeed at 7000'. 3600 RPM. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 16:49:50 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Inverted at last! This morning I went out to the hanger and reattached my rocking cradle to the nose of the airplane and with the help of a few airplane builders we flipped her over on her back. So with that out of the way I should have both skins applied to the bottom of the wings by next Sunday, then its fill and sand, fill and sand, fill and sand! :o) I plan to use the Stits water based primer on top of the super fil, I will keep everyone post on the results. By the way, I have heard from a few guys now that the best way to apply the primer / filler is with one of those foam brushes. This should be interesting! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Filling and sanding now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 19:55:23 EDT From: DFCPAC Subject: KR: loran i have a apollo 800 flybuddy still in the box new. if anyone one is interested make an offer. or for trade. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 18:15:51 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: KR titles and Porno-Spam > >Therefore, if people post things like "Check this Out!", "Yoo-Hoo!", "Zowee!", >or (today's winner) "BOM," they gets deleted unread, because that's how >pornographers title their posts and I don't have time to open all the garbage >before I delete it. > >The best thing, of course, is when the title actually explains what the post >is about, but could it at least mention KR's or flying in some way? > >Mike Taglieri Mike, Doesn't the "KR" that is automatically appended in the subject line let you know that it isn't a Porno letter anyway? :) What kind of filters are you using? If you see KR in the subject, seems that would mean "no delete". I am confused here. Is AOL deleting the "KR" in your subject lines? Robert Covington PS I get my KR list at my internet site, but I do have AOL and can relate the the Spam problem you mention. But, the sender address would also indicate that it isn't a porn post. These things are always visible in my mailbox to some degree...owner-krnet-l,etc. ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #78 ****************************