From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Sunday, May 17, 1998 4:03 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #81 krnet-l-digest Sunday, May 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 081 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:50:29 -0400 From: Bob Kash Subject: Re: KR: Elevator/Rudder hinge material I was wondering if one counter balance in the center of the elevator puts more strain on the elevator than two-one on each end. Bob Kash MR JEAN R VERON wrote: > Haris > Mike Ladigo mass balanced his elevator on his turbine KR-1. He > fabricated a bent arm from sheet aluminum to clear the rear spar of > the horiz. stab. . I cast the lead for him and think it was about 1 > 1/2 lb. The arm is about 9" long. If you are interested I'll take > some measurments the next time I'm at the hangar. I forgot to mention > that this is all inside the tail as you ask. > Jean > N4DD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 21:22:57 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: radio installation I believe Adrian is right on the money with his opinion. The FAA never said a peep about my radio installation upon my final inspection other than to ask whre I was hiding the antenna. Now the encoder attached to the transponder is supposed to be certified upon installation and I think every two years to make sure the transponder/encoder is broadcasting the correct altitude. Does that mean I will get mine certified. Probably not. I'll wait for ATC to tell me it's not reporting what I report when I call them. :o) However, a form 337 is not required for a homebuilt. Adrian is also correct in that the ELT is supposed to be tested. The FAA came out with some nicely convoluted testing procedures. I'll let some other techy explain the details. In general, It should be verified that the ELT battery is up to date and that the ELT broadcasts sufficiently powerfully enough for you to be found should you ever need it. Jeff - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Thu, 14 May 1998 09:29:40 EDT Kr2dream writes: >I was at Waukegan Aviation earlier this week looking at the prices of >transponders and was cautioned that ALL radio installations including >com and >transponders MUST be certified by an approved installation facility >and FAA >forms submitted even if the installation is in an experimental >aircraft. They >noted that, of course, there is a charge for the testing and >processing the >paperwork. It sounds like a ploy to get additional money for >something I have >never heard of. Anyone else have any info on this? > >Bob Lasecki >Chicago and back to building > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 20:44:24 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: landing light angles? OK, I'll bite on this. I would adjust them to hit the ground about 30 feet out in front of the plane. If you are using two, I would adjust the left one to hit the ground about twenty feet in front of the plane and the right one to hit the ground about 40 - 50 feet in front of the plane. I set my standard landing lights a bit higher than that, but found the other night that they were virtually useless. I plan to adjust them to approximately what I said above. The reason for the left one being lower than the right is because the pilot is usually on the left side and can see closer to the airplane on that side. The right landing light illuminates an area a bit farther out as you can't see just to the right of the nose anyway. Just my opinion and what I have found that works best for me. - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Thu, 14 May 1998 06:21:10 -0500 "Mark Langford" writes: >LightHeads, > >OK, I'm mounting these wonderful Ultimate Lazer Blazer Walmart landing >lights in my stub wings, but in the interest of aerodynamics and good >looks, >I only want a small access cover in the bottom of the leading edge to >change >the halogens bulbs through. That doesn't leave enough room to really >adjust >the things, and I'd like to glue them in place so that I don't have to >worry >about them loosening up and getting wobbly on me. Anybody know what >kind of >angle landing lights are typically aimed at? I figure the left one >I'll >angle down a bit for taxiing, and the right one almost horizontal, but >slightly down too. These are pencil beam things, not wide angle. >Any >night flyers or A&Ps have an opinion (or better yet, actual working >knowlege) on this subject? > >Thanks, > >Mark Langford >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 00:39:58 -0700 From: "Martin Mulvey" Subject: Re: KR: Re: Elevator Cable Routing KR2S Hi Rich, I'll see if I can get some copies (no scanner yet) and send them to you. BRGDS Marty - -----Original Message----- From: rmccall To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: 14 May, 1998 13:36 Subject: Re: KR: Re: Elevator Cable Routing KR2S >Marty, > >Got any pictures of the push-pull tube arrangement? I would like ot do the >same. > >Rich McCall >1518 Holly Lane >Junction City, KS 66441 > >Martin Mulvey wrote: > >> Hi Austin, >> >> I used a push-pull tube from the stick. I did not want to use cable for >> about the same reason. >> >> BRGDS Marty >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Austin Clark >> To: krnet-l@teleport.com >> Date: 29 April, 1998 16:28 >> Subject: KR: Elevator Cable Routing KR2S >> >> >I've hit a snag while routing the upper elevator control cable. The cable >> >rubs the cross member at station M on the KR2S. I have tried routing the >> >cable above and below the cross member and adjusting the position of the >> >upper elevator guide pully; lucky for me, I have not mounted it permanent >> >yet. What have others done? This does not appear to be a problem on the >> >KR2, only on the S. >> > >> > >> >Austin Clark >> >Pascagoula, MS >> >itac@datasync.com >> >http://www.datasync.com/~itac/ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 04:45:15 From: Austin Clark Subject: Re: KR:Hinge design At 20:17 5/13/98 -0000, you wrote: >I have made a quick sketch of a hinge that I thought about using while I was at work today. The reason I thought of making them this way is because I already have all the material to build them. I am thinking about using 5 of them on the elevator and 3 on the rudder. I forgot to add the bronze bushings in the drawing like is dicussed on Mark Langfords page so when you look at the drawing remember that there will be bushings also. I would appreciate if some of you would take a look at the sketch and see what you think. It seem like they would work just fine to me and it would save me some money since I have the material already. The material I have is 7075-T6. I just want to see if anyone forsees any problem using these type of hinges. > >Drawing is at: >http://www.busprod.com/bbland/hinge.jpg > >Brian J. Bland >Claremore, OK > >bbland@busprod.com >http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.html > >Attachment Converted: "c:\datasync\eudora\attach\KRHinged.htm" > Brian, The only thing I thought about was the amount of hardware it will take to mount them. With 2 bolts in each "L" and 4 bolts in each "T" a total of 8 bolts per assembly will be required. With 5 hinges thats 40 bolts as compared to 12 bolts using the channel design and 3 hinges. Otherwise I like the design. Austin Clark Pascagoula, MS mailto:itac@datasync.com http://www.datasync.com/~itac/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 08:05:18 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Elevator/Rudder hinge material Bob Kash wrote: > > I was wondering if one counter balance in the center of the elevator puts > more strain on the elevator than two-one on each end. Bob Kash Tough to answer without detailed analysis. A lot of small planes use the two outboard counterbalances. I am pretty sure that Glassair uses about 1/3 on the outboard ends and 2/3 in the center. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:44:28 CST From: "Rex Ellington" Subject: Re: KR:Hinge design > From: "Brian J Bland" > To: "KRNet" > Subject: KR:Hinge design > Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 20:17:21 -0000 > Reply-to: krnet-l@teleport.COM > I have made a quick sketch of a hinge that I thought about using while I = > was at work today. The reason I thought of making them this way is = > because I already have all the material to build them. I am thinking = > about using 5 of them on the elevator and 3 on the rudder. I forgot to = > add the bronze bushings in the drawing like is dicussed on Mark = > Langfords page so when you look at the drawing remember that there will = > be bushings also. I would appreciate if some of you would take a look = > at the sketch and see what you think. It seem like they would work just = > fine to me and it would save me some money since I have the material = > already. The material I have is 7075-T6. I just want to see if anyone = > forsees any problem using these type of hinges. > > Drawing is at: > http://www.busprod.com/bbland/hinge.jpg Can any of you identify a source for "T" section such as Brian posted in his jpeg. It is exactly the configuration I wish to use, but cannot find any catalogues listing such material. There should be no internal sharp corners as shown in the jpeg for stress concentration. Rex Ellington > Brian J. Bland > Claremore, OK > > bbland@busprod.com > http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.html > > ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BD7EAC.225DF6E0 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > >
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> > ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BD7EAC.225DF6E0-- > > Rex T. Ellington ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:08:15 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: radio installation KR2 616TJ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 98-05-14 10:56:22 EDT, you write: > > > > << I was at Waukegan Aviation earlier this week looking at the prices of > > transponders and was cautioned that ALL radio installations including com and > > transponders MUST be certified by an approved installation facility and FAA > > forms submitted even if the installation is in an experimental aircraft.>>> Word from the builders and flyers at Chino is this could be BS. They all installed their own avionics and only one had his transponder checked intially. The others were close (as reported by ATC) so they called it good. There was mention that your supposed to get the transponder checked ever year or ever other year but no one does. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290, Filling and sanding now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:52:43 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR:Hinge design Austin Clark wrote: > > > Brian, > > The only thing I thought about was the amount of hardware it will take to > mount them. With 2 bolts in each "L" and 4 bolts in each "T" a total of 8 > bolts per assembly will be required. >>> Why would you need so many bolts? In the "T" section you would only need 2 and you could get by with one in each "L" section if you floxed them in. Besides its better to install the bolts in the center of the spar then drill two holes next to the edge. You would need flox to keep the "L" sections from rotating. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290, Filling and sanding now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:13:44 From: Austin Clark Subject: Re: KR:Hinge design At 09:52 5/15/98 -0700, you wrote: >Austin Clark wrote: >> > >> Brian, >> >> The only thing I thought about was the amount of hardware it will take to >> mount them. With 2 bolts in each "L" and 4 bolts in each "T" a total of 8 >> bolts per assembly will be required. >>> > >Why would you need so many bolts? In the "T" section you would only >need 2 and you could get by with one in each "L" section if you floxed >them in. Besides its better to install the bolts in the center of the >spar then drill two holes next to the edge. You would need flox to keep >the "L" sections from rotating. >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims I agree you could get by with two bolts in the "T" piece. I think it is good practice to use more than one bolt to attach a part that is subject to torsional forces, even if you floxed it. Thats my opinion, but I still like Brian's design. Austin Clark Pascagoula, MS mailto:itac@datasync.com http://www.datasync.com/~itac/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:29:06 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR:Hinge design Austin Clark wrote: > I agree you could get by with two bolts in the "T" piece. I think it is > good practice to use more than one bolt to attach a part that is subject to > torsional forces, even if you floxed it. Thats my opinion, but I still like > Brian's design. > I see where your coming from. But then I look at other designs that dont even use bolts, the hinges are just floxed in period. How about using "T" section instead of the two "L" pieces. You could offset them to take up any thrust loading (right, center and left different). You could also install the oi*ite bearing in one or both pieces. But then is the "T" stock even available? Or you could buy the C stock from RR and make them like the plans call out. Nah!! That would be way to easy! :o) - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290, Filling and sanding now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:13:44 -0600 From: "gary" Subject: RE: KR: radio installation > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com [mailto:owner-krnet-l@teleport.com]On > Behalf Of Micheal Mims > Sent: Friday, May 15, 1998 11:08 AM > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: radio installation > > > KR2 616TJ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 98-05-14 10:56:22 EDT, you write: > > > > > > << I was at Waukegan Aviation earlier this week looking at > the prices of > > > transponders and was cautioned that ALL radio installations > including com and > > > transponders MUST be certified by an approved installation > facility and FAA > > > forms submitted even if the installation is in an > experimental aircraft.>>> > > > Word from the builders and flyers at Chino is this could be BS. They > all installed their own avionics and only one had his transponder > checked intially. The others were close (as reported by ATC) so they > called it good. There was mention that your supposed to get the > transponder checked ever year or ever other year but no one does. > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290, Filling and sanding now > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Irvine Ca > Fax 714.856.9417 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Same here-- I did have some friends who workd? in a tower at a AF base do some checking, for or on me,while I was in their area.--they reported everything allright and that is the way it stayed. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 20:20:58 From: Austin Clark Subject: Re: KR:Hinge design >Micheal Mims wrote: > .... How about using "T" section instead of the two "L" pieces. You could offset >them to take up any thrust loading (right, center and left different). You >could also install the oi*ite bearing in one or both pieces. But then >is the "T" stock even available? ... Or even an "L" piece for each half would probably work if you offset them like you describe. I wonder why RR uses the channel design? Austin Clark Pascagoula, MS mailto:itac@datasync.com http://www.datasync.com/~itac/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 22:42:59 EDT From: HAshraf Subject: Re: KR:Hinge design My two cents worth. One thing that I would like to mention is that the design is not symmetric i.e there are two pieces ( a U) of aluminum on the stabalizer side and only one piece (a T) on the elevator side of each hinge. the elevator portion of the hinge will carry twice the load of the stabalizer side. In RR design there is one to one symmetry in so each piece will be subjected to equal load. For the same reason the elevator side of the hinge will wear out way before the stabalizer side. I would think that the piece attached to the elevator will take most of the 'rubbing' against the hinge bolt. One way around this problem would be to make the elevator side twice as much thick and use some sort of bearing. I think five RR hinges with ten mating holes is a very good design. Using some sort of oil impregnated bearing certainly improves on it a lot. Haris Ashraf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 23:29:35 EDT From: Willard561 Subject: Re: KR:Hinge design It's my understanding that Ken used surplus AL in his original design, and that the channel sizes he used were just a case of what he could find surplus at the time, in So Cal. Bill Higdon Willard561@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 09:15:43 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: airfoil plots, counterweights Steve Eberhart wrote: > It looks like spar research and development is the next project for the > Area 51 Skunk Works now that we have three new state of the art airfoils. > In fact Mark Langford already has $200 that has been > contributed to the spar R&D project. He is planning on building a stock > spruce spar and test it to destruction. Bruce Griffing is investigating a > composite spar using spruce and carbon fiber. I would like to see R&D on > a Europa style spar using a foam core S-Glass spar caps and possibly > filament wound shear webs. I think I've come to my senses on this. After volunteering, (and collecting contributions), I started wondering why I'd volunteered to break a spar that we could break almost as well on paper (or computer, as the case may be). And Mike Mims already proved that the wing attach fittings don't depend on friction for any of their load carrying. The one we need to test is Bruce's or Steve's composite versions, which are a lot more difficult to analyze. I plan to send the contributions to whoever needs it to carry out the test, unless the contributors object. It might be that we could further fund this research by selling airfoil plots and donating the proceeds to the cause. Of course, we know who would be doing the plots and the mailing... I still owe the original "visionaries" a set of airfoil plots, but am waiting on the analysis to determine the proper incidence before I start plotting and sending. Steve is still quite deep in his wind tunnel model financial hole. We could sell plots for years and not finish paying him back for his expenses, not to mention the time he has invested in the project. Speaking of new airfoils, keep in mind that the horizontal stabilizer will need to be cranked down a little bit. First indications are that it shoud be .75 degrees down, but that's just the first vote on the matter from Mark Lougheed. In the recent counterweight discussions Mike Latigo's solution (thick aluminum sheet bent into a counterweight arm hanging off the elevator spar face) sounds the best to me. This is how I'd have done it had I not fastened my horizontal stabilizer down before I really thought much about the counterweight. Lester Palmer did a D shaped thing that fastened to his elevator spar and around his h.s. spar. I think it's better to fasten the cw directly to the elevator spar, than to try to accomplish it thru the linkage like I did. Mark Langford mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kr2s.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 11:05:37 -0400 From: David Subject: KR: Kr giveaway Sorry for the personal post, but would the gentleman from Florida who was interested in my plane, please email me, I have some new info on the plane. Thanks David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:19:50 +0100 From: "A. J. Mendes Pereira" Subject: KR: Re: Traveling Newsletter Europe Me!!!!! António J. Mendes Pereira Rua Dr. Sousa Gomes, 16 / 2º Drt. 2900 Setubal Portugal > > >Dear KRNetters, > >I have received the Newsletters from Alessandro Pecarara yesterday. >I will try to copy them in the next week. > >Which European KR-Builder wants to be next in Line ? > > > > >Regards, > >Marcel Driessen > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 16:22:14 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: KR: Another Accident (Not a KR) I just came from the Spring fly-in picnic that is sponsored by the Ultralight club that I belong to. We had an accident, fortunately not fatal. Like all too many flying accidents, it was completely avoidable. During the take-off run, the engine on a Rans S-12 was surging and obviously not making full power. Instead of cuttin the throttle, the pilot continued the run and lifted off. The surging did not go away and he did not have enough power to climb out. He aligned the Rans with a field off the end of the runway, but then turned back to the airport. The turn was performed well, but it looked like he was not aligned to the runway centerline and tried to tighten the turn with the last twenty feet of altitude. At this point, he stalled and hit left wing low. He did walk away, but the Rans was badly crunched. Always plan on loosing the engine on takeoff and have the actions ready in your mind. He was lucky and he was wearing a shoulder harness. It could have been much different. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 15:39:24 -0000 From: "Brian J Bland" Subject: KR:Final hinge design This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BD80E0.CDC03F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I now have my final hinge design. After several comments of people not = able to find the T-angle that I was going to use, I set down and = designed a new hinge that I think will even work better. I have a new = drawing at: =20 http://www.busprod.com/bbland/hinge1.jpg The drawing includes bronze bushings that Wicks have in their catalog. = The bushings just need to be shortened to the length you need. If you = build the hinges like I designed them you will need 4 bushings per hinge = at a cost of $0.75 per bushing. No I am not worried about using only = one bolt in each piece, when the hinge pieces are floxed to the spar = they will never even think of twisting. Brian J. Bland Claremore, OK bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.html - ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BD80E0.CDC03F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I now have my final hinge = design.  After=20 several comments of people not able to find the T-angle that I was going = to use,=20 I set down and designed a new hinge that I think will even work = better.  I=20 have a new drawing at: 
 
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BD80E0.CDC03F80-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 15:51:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: KR: new airfoils ready for the wind tunnel Ashok advised me of the final schedule slip (we hope). We go into the wind tunnel Wednesday the 20th. As luck would have it I have to be in Davenport, IA on the 20th so I will be dropping off the wings as I pass through Champaign, IL on Tuesday. I will stop back on the return trip Friday to see how things are going. If they are working through the weekend I will proably stay around to watch. Both the AS5045 15% and AS5048 18% wings are finished and all that remains is the final polish on the 18% section. I will put pictures of the wings on the NLF web page tomorrow. I am well pleased with how they turned out. Accuracy could have been better but I think we are OK, I only had 2 1/2 weeks to build the 18% wing. I am starting to get my thoughts together for the next project - the spar. There are a number of possibilities and I will condense them down into a survey that will be put out on the new spar web page http://www.newtech.com/spar DON'T LOOK FOR IT YET - IT ISN'T THERE. Hope to get it constructed yet this weekend. Steve Eberhart - ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 16:04:26 -0500 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: Re: Elevator Cable Routing KR2S Thanks Marty! Rich Martin Mulvey wrote: > Hi Rich, > > I'll see if I can get some copies (no scanner yet) and send them to you. > > BRGDS Marty > -----Original Message----- > From: rmccall > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Date: 14 May, 1998 13:36 > Subject: Re: KR: Re: Elevator Cable Routing KR2S > > >Marty, > > > >Got any pictures of the push-pull tube arrangement? I would like ot do the > >same. > > > >Rich McCall > >1518 Holly Lane > >Junction City, KS 66441 > > > >Martin Mulvey wrote: > > > >> Hi Austin, > >> > >> I used a push-pull tube from the stick. I did not want to use cable for > >> about the same reason. > >> > >> BRGDS Marty > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Austin Clark > >> To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >> Date: 29 April, 1998 16:28 > >> Subject: KR: Elevator Cable Routing KR2S > >> > >> >I've hit a snag while routing the upper elevator control cable. The > cable > >> >rubs the cross member at station M on the KR2S. I have tried routing > the > >> >cable above and below the cross member and adjusting the position of the > >> >upper elevator guide pully; lucky for me, I have not mounted it > permanent > >> >yet. What have others done? This does not appear to be a problem on the > >> >KR2, only on the S. > >> > > >> > > >> >Austin Clark > >> >Pascagoula, MS > >> >itac@datasync.com > >> >http://www.datasync.com/~itac/ > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 07:34:36 EDT From: KR2 616TJ Subject: KR: East Coast Gathering In addition too, not as an alternative too the National KR Gathering in Perry-----anybody up for an east coast gathering. I've been talking with Mark Langford and we've thrown out a couple of ideas. I know there a lot of builders on the KRNet around Atlanta, there are a bunch in FL, there aren't many around me.....although Rough River and Kentucky Dam State Parks sure are nice :-)), we've even mentioned Columbia, TN.. Seriously, anybody up for this, I'll volunteer my time to do a mailing to all the east coast KR guys we know about, or whatever...........................Anybody else up for it? Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 06:43:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: East Coast Gathering On Sun, 17 May 1998, KR2 616TJ wrote: > In addition too, not as an alternative too the National KR Gathering in > Perry-----anybody up for an east coast gathering. I've been talking with Mark > Langford and we've thrown out a couple of ideas. I know there a lot of > builders on the KRNet around Atlanta, there are a bunch in FL, there aren't > many around me.....although Rough River and Kentucky Dam State Parks sure are > nice :-)), we've even mentioned Columbia, TN.. Seriously, anybody up for > this, I'll volunteer my time to do a mailing to all the east coast KR guys we > know about, or whatever...........................Anybody else up for it? > Count me in. Steve Eberhart - ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 09:44:20 -0000 From: "Brian J Bland" Subject: Re: KR: East Coast Gathering Dana, I'm up for it. I will try to make it as long as I know the dates a little bit in advance. Brian J. Bland Claremore, OK bbland@busprod.com http://www.busprod.com/bbland/kr2s.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 11:08:51 EDT From: CHolder280 Subject: Re: KR: East Coast Gathering I live in Chattanooga Tn .I would love to attend a gathering anywhere from Atlanta up with in driving distance. My KRII is about 80% complete. I would like to see others close up. Chuck Holder chol der280@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 12:13:36 -0700 From: Darrin West Subject: Re: KR: East Coast Gathering KR2 616TJ wrote: > > In addition too, not as an alternative too the National KR Gathering in > Perry-----anybody up for an east coast gathering. I've been talking with Mark > Langford and we've thrown out a couple of ideas. I know there a lot of > builders on the KRNet around Atlanta, there are a bunch in FL, there aren't > many around me.....although Rough River and Kentucky Dam State Parks sure are > nice :-)), we've even mentioned Columbia, TN.. Seriously, anybody up for > this, I'll volunteer my time to do a mailing to all the east coast KR guys we > know about, or whatever...........................Anybody else up for it? > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ Dana, You can count on my help. I'm located in S.Ga. and will help in any way I can. Darrin West KR-1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 11:16:46 -0400 From: rdewees@juno.com Subject: Re: KR: East Coast Gathering Hi Dana.. Sounds like a good idea to me. I don't know if I can make Perry or not but love getting to see other builders. Throw out some more ideas and places and times and I bet the Ga folks will be interested. ron DeWees Atlanta ga On Sun, 17 May 1998 07:34:36 EDT KR2 616TJ writes: >In addition too, not as an alternative too the National KR Gathering >in >Perry-----anybody up for an east coast gathering. I've been talking >with Mark >Langford and we've thrown out a couple of ideas. I know there a lot >of >builders on the KRNet around Atlanta, there are a bunch in FL, there >aren't >many around me.....although Rough River and Kentucky Dam State Parks >sure are >nice :-)), we've even mentioned Columbia, TN.. Seriously, anybody up >for >this, I'll volunteer my time to do a mailing to all the east coast KR >guys we >know about, or whatever...........................Anybody else up for >it? > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 18:37:46 -0700 From: "Bruce S. Campbell" Subject: Re: KR: East Coast Gathering KR2 616TJ wrote: Great idea! Bruce S. Campbell Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 18:41:48 EDT From: KR2 616TJ Subject: KR: East Coast Gathering. I was in a little bit of a hurry this morning when I posted the first message and left out some details. We don't want to compete with the national KR Gathering, heck I've already called Southwest about tickets. What we would like to do is get some flying KRs along with some builders and have a gathering for those who can't go to Perry or people like me, who would go to both. If it looks like we would hurt the participation in the Perry Gathering, I don't think we need to do it. I've already got several posts off the KRNet from people who would attend. Sorry for the use of the bankwidth, but we really need to know the amount of interest in such a thing so that we can set a date as soon as possible, so let me know Quick update on 616TJ---Today, wired in the ignition switch to the starter, solenoid, alt/bat switch, battery to switch, alternator. Boy when you throw the switch now things really start to happen. Still think the CD player thru the intercom is the ticket though :-)). Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 16:58:44 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: East Coast Gathering. This is just bubba speaking. Regional gatherings make a lot of sense. Everybody wants it at their own airport as the previous thread on this subject reveals. So just do it and let a wider group of builders and pilots see something. No gathering will be accessible to everyone so several regional events should expand the total number of people who can participate. Go for it...unless of course you set it for the same weekend as the main gathering Ron Lee At 06:41 PM 5/17/98 EDT, you wrote: >I was in a little bit of a hurry this morning when I posted the first message >and left out some details. We don't want to compete with the national KR >Gathering, heck I've already called Southwest about tickets. What we would >like to do is get some flying KRs along with some builders and have a >gathering for those who can't go to Perry or people like me, who would go to >both. If it looks like we would hurt the participation in the Perry >Gathering, I don't think we need to do it. I've already got several posts off >the KRNet from people who would attend. Sorry for the use of the bankwidth, >but we really need to know the amount of interest in such a thing so that we >can set a date as soon as possible, so let me know >Quick update on 616TJ---Today, wired in the ignition switch to the starter, >solenoid, alt/bat switch, battery to switch, alternator. Boy when you throw >the switch now things really start to happen. Still think the CD player thru >the intercom is the ticket though :-)). > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > > ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #81 ****************************