From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 1998 11:26 AM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #82 krnet-l-digest Tuesday, May 19 1998 Volume 02 : Number 082 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 19:11:17 EDT From: Genseric Subject: Re: KR: Another Accident (Not a KR) Thanks for sharing. It helps to remind us all that some thing can always go wronge, and you have to be prepaired for it. I havn't even started building my KR yet, and I've been trying to imagine all the akward positions I might get myself in. I've been wondering how the KR might handle on a grass strip. Does any one know? Any one have good stories of there mishaps, and how they might have been avioded? Ben Raby Minnesota ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 21:20:50 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: East Coast Gathering KR2 616TJ wrote: > > In addition too, not as an alternative too the National KR Gathering in > Perry-----anybody up for an east coast gathering. I've been talking with Mark > Langford and we've thrown out a couple of ideas. I know there a lot of > builders on the KRNet around Atlanta, there are a bunch in FL, there aren't > many around me.....although Rough River and Kentucky Dam State Parks sure are > nice :-)), we've even mentioned Columbia, TN.. Seriously, anybody up for > this, I'll volunteer my time to do a mailing to all the east coast KR guys we > know about, or whatever...........................Anybody else up for it? > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ Dana, Count me in, I am looking for places to fly. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC Gainesville,FL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 21:29:27 -0500 From: robert k adams Subject: KR: kr-2 for sale kr-2 for sale standard tail dragger gear with wider footprint and heavier tailwheel bracket and tailwheel 231 total time engine & airframe h.a.p.i. 1835 vw with new cylinders, rings & pistons june 1997 annual nice paint / new 15 gal aluminum header tank pressure fuel system with 2 fuel pumps, holly regulator and zenith carburator 20 amp alternator and elec starter panel mounted handheld com panel mounted intercom under panel mounted collins mode c transponder push to talk switch E.L.T. mounted behind seat new deep cycle dry cell state of the art battery new vernier throttle and fuel primer I CAN NO LONGER FLY FOR MEDICAL REASONS SO GRAB IT BEFORE I LIST IT IN T.A.P. *************** $ 8900.00 FIRM **************************** for more info and picture email bob adams < mistic@vci.net > or call < 502-443-8773 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 23:11:05 -0700 From: Darrin West Subject: KR: east coast gathering Speaking of east coast gatherings... In mid October, Thomasville, Ga. has a nice sized airshow which would make a great meeting place for KR's. There is one KR-2 from the Jacksonville, Fla. area that usually attends. The airshow starts on a friday and ends up on the following sunday and is very familly oriented. Here's out chance!! Please respond to me if interested and I can arrange parking and or camping facilities. Transportation is also provided into town to motels. Darrin West KR-1 dwest@rose.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 01:04:52 EDT From: MikeT nyc Subject: Re: KR: landing light angles? >OK, I'll bite on this. I would adjust them to hit the ground about 30 >feet out in front of the plane. If you are using two, I would adjust the >left one to hit the ground about twenty feet in front of the plane and >the right one to hit the ground about 40 - 50 feet in front of the plane. > I set my standard landing lights a bit higher than that, but found the >other night that they were virtually useless. * * * >Just my opinion and what I have found that works best for me. This "what works for me" language sort of suggests that gluing them permanently in place before you've landed with them a few times might not be such a good idea. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 01:05:03 EDT From: MikeT nyc Subject: KR: Re: Engine failure on takeoff (formerly Another Accident (Not a KR)) >Always plan on loosing the engine on takeoff and have the actions ready >in your mind. He was lucky and he was wearing a shoulder harness. It >could have been much different. This reminds me of a question I asked my instructor today, the answer to which doesn't really sit right (this is flying rather than KR related, so please excuse it), We had taxied to the takeoff point and finished the runup in a 152, but we had to sit there for 10-15 minutes due to fairly heavy traffic, the extremely borderline competence of the controller on duty, and some ridiculous PIREP's that were distracting the controller and making it even worse (including one PIREP that turned out to be for balloons -- not passenger carrying balloons, children's balloons loose in the airspace. . . ) Anyway, after we finally got underway, I mentioned to the instructor that we'd sat with engine RPM outside the green arc for a long period, then just took off, and why isn't carb heat used before takeoff under these circumstances? He said carb heat bypasses the air filter so it's undesirable to use on the ground (which I knew), but also said that you don't need carb heat when waiting to take off, because ice is unlikely under those circumstances, and you'd know you had ice when you applied full power anyway so you could abort in time. Maybe this is true, but ice is not necessarily something I'd be thinking about with all the other things on my mind at takeoff. Is it really unlikely to occur on the ground, and if it can occur, is there something you should do about it if you have to sit around idling for a long time? Mike Taglieri ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 07:16:15 -0400 From: Tom Andersen Subject: Re: KR: East Coast Gathering This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------C6E59957B7AAD56C815211B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm up for it! The airshow in Atlanta sounds good. Tom Andersen Orlando, FL KR2 616TJ wrote: > In addition too, not as an alternative too the National KR Gathering in > Perry-----anybody up for an east coast gathering. I've been talking with Mark > Langford and we've thrown out a couple of ideas. I know there a lot of > builders on the KRNet around Atlanta, there are a bunch in FL, there aren't > many around me.....although Rough River and Kentucky Dam State Parks sure are > nice :-)), we've even mentioned Columbia, TN.. Seriously, anybody up for > this, I'll volunteer my time to do a mailing to all the east coast KR guys we > know about, or whatever...........................Anybody else up for it? > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ - --------------C6E59957B7AAD56C815211B2 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Tom Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Tom n: ;Tom email;internet: tomkr2s@worldnet.att.net x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard - --------------C6E59957B7AAD56C815211B2-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 07:53:44 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Re: Engine failure on takeoff MikeT nyc wrote: > He said carb heat bypasses the air filter so it's undesirable to use on the > ground (which I knew), but also said that you don't need carb heat when > waiting to take off, because ice is unlikely under those circumstances, and Carb ice is formed when the carb venturi temperature is low. The cooling process is driven by the airflow rate and fuel evaporation. At idle, there is very little airflow and almost no fuel evaporation. The only way you can ice up at idle is if ambient temp is near freezing. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 07:59:46 -0400 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: East Coast Gathering Sorry guys, Dont take this as being territorial but for for those of us still digging out from the last snowstorm , a fly-in down in GA wouldnt be considered an "East Coast Gathering" Its to close to Lakeland FL. Its cheaper for us to fly commercial to FL because of the frequency of the flights. And its a little far to fly our own planes for the weekend. VA or NC seems more "do-able" for an "East Coast Gathering". Gives us a chance to get the frost to melt off our wings. Rich Parker Jaffrey, NH theparkers@monad.net http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:01:59 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: East Coast thing I haven't said much on this subject yet because I was waiting to see if any pilots would show, or if this would be mainly a builder's thing. Looks like we could have at least several KRs fly in. I'm not sure that we need to do a whole lot of forums, or much other organized stuff. We've discovered that if you pile a bunch of KR builders in the same place, you never have enough time to ask all the questions or see all of the things you wanted to see. A simple meal or two and a keg of beer one night should do nicely. And I think we should have it in June or July, so as not to take away and participants from the real Gathering. I don't mind helping to organize it, and if we keep it simple, it won't be much work. I also think we should try to keep this purely a KR thing, as I wouldn't want to water it down with other types of planes. We can all go to other types of homebuilt get togethers in our local areas if we want to spend our time explaining to other folks what KRs are.. I wouldn't mind having another get together in Huntsville, which is in north Alabama. We have several KRs under construction nearby (mine, Jim Hill's repair job, and Ken Cornelius in Cullman) as well as Ken Thomas's flying KR in Jasper. We could easily have it at Hazel green airport, but its runway is only 2700 feet and 40 feet wide. Not insurmountable, may cause concern for some. The beauty of this airport is that Jim has a hangar there (where I hope to keep my KR when finished) and the airport is in the boonies and unsupervised. The runway is a one way affair, with tall trees on one end, so no touch-and-goes. KRs can use this field no problem, as Bobby Muse Sr and Jr can testify to, as well as others who've flown in. We also have another larger airport on the north side of Huntsville, but it sees lots of C-150 training traffic. Only problem with having it in Huntsville is lots of the southern crowd have seen my project already, and it would good to see somebody else's, but I'll show it to whoever comes... Another option is Columbia, TN, where we've already had two flyins. The FBO was a big help, and Troy Petteway is based there. He may be flying by mid June, another incentive to have it there. It's a modern field (also in the boonies) with plenty of room for touch and goes, and a large apron for parking. If North Alabama or Middle Tennessee is too far south, we could always do Dana's local area, the Dam state park. It sounds like a nice place, might really be central to the whole East Coast, and we've had a Gathering there before. Wherever it is, I'll be there. Mark Lougheed said last night that he'll be there too, so if anybody wants to win "farthest traveled" you'll have to beat Seattle! Randy, I think the gauntlet has been dropped. You should have enough frequent flyer miles to do it for free. Bring Mims with you too... Mark Langford mailto:langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 07:32:19 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Carb Heat?? (was Engine failure on takeoff) MikeT nyc wrote: > > Maybe this is true, but ice is not necessarily something I'd be thinking about with all the other things on my mind at takeoff. Is it really unlikely to occur on the ground, and if it can occur, is there something you should do about it if you have to sit around idling for a long time? > > Mike, you will find this will vary from aircraft to aircraft and from climate to climate. Yes ice can form while sitting idle and yes carb heat is used during the initial part of the take off roll in some cases. While instructing in Alaska I had a student who started his training somewhere in the lower 48, he would turn the carb heat off somewhere on final. I had a heck of a time trying to get him to stop doing that. Under certain weather conditions (damn cold!) the Continental O-200 will cough and die if the carb heat is off and the throttle is advanced. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290, Filling and sanding now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:53:09 -0400 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re: new subscriptions I have been unsuccessfully been trying to sub*cribe to the KR-net through Hotmail so I can check it while I'm on the road, I get my authorization but then I never get the threads. Anyone having similar problems. Rich Parker Jaffrey, NH theparkers@monad.net richontheroad@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:08:15 CST From: "Rex Ellington" Subject: KR: Elev. hinge, T section G'Day All I have answered my own question about sourcing the T section in Brian Bland's Hinge jpeg. According to their 1996-97 catalog, 1'' x 1.25" x 0.065 2024-T3 is $5.00/ft. 1.5 x 0.75 x 0.095 6061-T6 is $3.00/ft. I understand they will sell retail. Shapiro Supply, 5617 Natural Bridge Ave. St. Louis, MO 63120 (314)382-7000 Rex T. Ellington Rex T. Ellington ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 16:03:15 -0400 From: smithr Subject: Re: KR: East Coast Gathering East coast sounds great to me. I'll sure try hard to be there. Bob Smith, Albany, NY KR2 616TJ wrote: > In addition too, not as an alternative too the National KR Gathering in > Perry-----anybody up for an east coast gathering. I've been talking with Mark > Langford and we've thrown out a couple of ideas. I know there a lot of > builders on the KRNet around Atlanta, there are a bunch in FL, there aren't > many around me.....although Rough River and Kentucky Dam State Parks sure are > nice :-)), we've even mentioned Columbia, TN.. Seriously, anybody up for > this, I'll volunteer my time to do a mailing to all the east coast KR guys we > know about, or whatever...........................Anybody else up for it? > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 21:38:33 +0200 From: Kobus de Wet Subject: KR: FW: (Fwd) bulletin-digest V1 #142 Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:31:58 +0200 From: "Dr Malene Breytenbach "Marketing & Communications " Subject: Watch out for new virus! If you receive an e-mail titled "WIN A HOLIDAY" DO NOT open it. It will erase everything on your hard drive. Forward this to as many people that you know and as fast as possible. This is a new, very malicious virus and not many people know about it. This information was announced yesterday morning by MICROSOFT; please share it with anyone that might access the internet. Once again, pass this along to EVERYONE!!!!!! in your address book so that this may be stopped. Also, do not open or even look at any mail that says "RETURNED OR UNABLE TO DELIVER" This virus will attach itself to your computer components and render them useless. Immediately delete any mail items that say this. AOL has said that this is a very dangerous virus and that there is no remedy for it at this time. Please practice cautionary measures and forward this to all your online friends ASAP. END ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:31:39 EDT From: BSHADR Subject: KR: AS5045 Fund Steve (& Mark): I'm sending off a check for $200 to help you recover a small portion of the material costs for the new airfoil models that are being run through the wind tunnel. I know your out-of-pocket material costs far exceed this contribution. At least it is a start. I was going to send you $100 & Mark "Spare Destruction" Langford $100. Since Mark's take on the wood spares being well proven makes sense to me, maybe the funds can be better used as support for the airfoil work. I wanted to confirm your mailing address: Steve Eberhart P.O. Box 9227 Evansville, IN 47724 Did I get it right? I've got the check sitting on my desk, I'll await your confirmation. Thank you for your efforts. The whole VW powered aircraft community stands to gain tremendously from your efforts. With all of the focus on bigger, faster and more expensive homebuilts, the VW crowd is effectively being excluded from the development/evolutionary process. Randy Stein Mail to: BSHADR@aol.com Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:22:15 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: AS5045 Fund BSHADR wrote: >> With all of the focus on bigger, faster and more expensive homebuilts, the VW crowd is effectively being excluded from the development/evolutionary process. >> Maybe someone forgot to tell them a VW could be evolutionized! :o) - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290, Filling and sanding now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:07:41 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: HotMail/KR-Net >From: "Richard Parker" >I have been unsuccessfully been trying to sub*cribe to the KR-net through >Hotmail so I can check it while I'm on the road >Anyone having similar problems. > The combination works great for me. Only thing was, I had to unsu**cribe my Juno account to KRNet first. Are you running two accounts at once? Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 20:37:45 EDT From: LngDistRep Subject: KR: H.A.P.I. Hello to all on the kr-net. Woondering if anybody has an address and/or phone number for the group known as H.A.P.I. in California. Understand they also handle VW engines for use in the aircraft industry. Regards, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 20:50:58 EDT From: KR2 616TJ Subject: Re: KR: was AS5045 Fund In a message dated 98-05-18 18:23:52 EDT, you write: << BSHADR wrote: >> With all of the focus on bigger, faster and more expensive homebuilts, the VW crowd is effectively being excluded from the development/evolutionary process. >> Maybe someone forgot to tell them a VW could be evolutionized! :o) >> Here Here!!! With all the work by being done by Steve, Mike, Mark and all the guys associated with Area 51 along with the advancements in VW configurations, us Vdub guys will be able to hold our own against the big ticket engines..................Hey look at Tom Crawford with an RAF48, stock, nose gear KR getting 185 out of his Vdub...................Go Bug. Hey instead of bigger/more expensive we can just go with smaller/less expensive and faster. So there. By the way, we are working on a location for the East Coast Gathering and I've already floated a couple of dates (calander, not women) Mark's way. Be letting everyone know here in a couple of days. Looks like late June or July. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 20:40:18 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Columbia thing...project update KRNetHeads, I just talked to Troy Petteway, and he's up for doing some major arranging for the get-together. He picked July 25th from Dana's list of potential dates, mainly because that gives him time to finish his KR. His boss owns a hotel so a discount is probably forthcoming. With this kind of advance warning, there should be no problem getting cheap airline tickets. The airport at Columbia is also known as Maury County, I think. I'll do more research and report back. Lunch will be catered, so we'll need a rough head count in advance. No forums or other stuff, just good clean conversation and flying. Mainly a Saturday thing. I'd love to have two of these every year, one in spring and one in the fall. The best of both worlds. Maybe an East and a West? Thanks, Dana, for lighting this fire... He also reported that he's sanding stub wing foam right now. He's using my inner skin routine and likes it so far. Says it's strong, fast, and accurate. I'm at about the same point, having made my inner skins and am about to glue the leading edges to the stub wings. Landing lights are installed. I mounted the taxi light solid, assuming that I'll always have about the same attitude when taxiing, but made the other one adjustable in case I don't guess right. I made plexigl*s covers yesterday. It's one of those things (like lead casting) that sounds tough, but turns out to be dirt simple and quick to complete. I'll do pictures for my project update. I also installed the pitot tube and static tube under the wing above the wheel. Had trouble getting any of my drill chucks to hold the number 60 (.040") bit, so wrapped it with electrical tape and it worked like a charm. Mark Lougheed has updated his best guess on the AS5045 for the KR2S as .5 degrees incidence, 3 degrees of washout, with 0 degrees on the tail. More opinions on the matter are due in any time... Mark Langford mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kr2s.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 20:35:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: was AS5045 Fund On Mon, 18 May 1998, KR2 616TJ wrote: > In a message dated 98-05-18 18:23:52 EDT, you write: > [snip] > By the way, we are working on a location for the East Coast Gathering and I've > already floated a couple of dates (calander, not women) Mark's way. Be > letting everyone know here in a couple of days. Looks like late June or July. Any time except the last weekend in June is OK. Our Unlimited Hydroplane race here in Evansville is the last weekend in June. Haven't missed one yet, hate to start now. Steve - ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:50:00 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: H.A.P.I. At 08:37 PM 5/18/98 EDT, you wrote: >Hello to all on the kr-net. > >Woondering if anybody has an address and/or phone number for the group known as H.A.P.I. in California. Understand they also handle VW engines for use in the aircraft industry. > >Regards, > Paul, if your talking about HAPI motors that used to be owned by Rex Taylor they are long gone. They were bought by Mosler Motors a few years back and I think have since changed hands to TEC somewhere in Florida. See a copy of Kitplanes for info on TEC. They usually have an add in the back. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Filling and sanding now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 16:33:15 -0500 From: rmccall Subject: KR: Deihl Wing Skins Does anyone have a complete set of Dan Deihl wing skins for a KR2S they want to sell? If so contact me. Rich McCall 1518 Holly Lane Junction City, KS 66441 (785) 223-0602 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 20:53:07 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: FW: (Fwd) bulletin-digest V1 #142 - Another $#%^& Hoax OK, We've been down this road before. Unless you are an expert on computer security, PLEASE DO NOT POST THESE STUPID hoaxes to the KRNET. You are not doing anyone any favors. - ------- Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net~langford/kjefs.html & http: //www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Mon, 18 May 1998 21:38:33 +0200 Kobus de Wet writes: > >Subject: Watch out for new virus! > >If you receive an e-mail titled "WIN A HOLIDAY" DO NOT open it. It >will erase everything on your hard drive. Forward this to as many >people that you know and as fast as possible. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Here's clue that this is a hoax! > >This is a new, very malicious virus and not many people know about it. >This information was announced yesterday morning by MICROSOFT; please >share it with anyone that might access the internet. Once again, pass >this along to EVERYONE!!!!!! in your address book so that this may be >stopped. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ DITTO!!! > >Also, do not open or even look at any mail that says "RETURNED OR >UNABLE TO DELIVER" This virus will attach itself to your computer >components and render them useless. Immediately delete any mail items >that say this. AOL has said that this is a very dangerous virus and >that there is no remedy for it at this time. Please practice >cautionary measures and forward this to all your online friends ASAP. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Do you see a pattern here???? > >END > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 00:24:12 EDT From: HAshraf Subject: KR: Carb ice At low throttles ice can form around the butterfly valve. Although as soon as the throttle is advanced, the ice is broken and the engine runs fine. Usually the pilot will advance the throttle at the first sign of engine roughness. The inertia of the propeller is enough to restart the engine. In helicopters this is a problem as the engine just stops at the first hint of any ice formation as it does not has flywheel effect of the propeller. Haris Ashraf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 06:54:22 -0400 From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re: HotMail/KR-Net - -----Original Message----- From: Oscar Zuniga To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Monday, May 18, 1998 8:09 PM Subject: KR: HotMail/KR-Net > > > >>From: "Richard Parker" > >>I have been unsuccessfully been trying to sub*cribe to the KR-net >through >>Hotmail so I can check it while I'm on the road >>Anyone having similar problems. >> > >The combination works great for me. Only thing was, I had to >unsu**cribe my Juno account to KRNet first. Are you running two >accounts at once? > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > yes, I didnt want to cancel my exhisting account until I got the new one up and running successfully. Rich Parker Jaffrey, NH theparkers@monad.net http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm __I__ ______( X )_______ o/ \o ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 08:59:39 EDT From: KR2 616TJ Subject: KR: Columbia, TN Gathering OK, guys like Mark said, our East Coast Gathering will be held this year at Maury Co. Airport (MRC) in Columbia, TN, Saturday July 25th. If you are planning on attending please let Mark Landford, or myself know so that we can have somewhat of a head count. Thanks for all the responses, I heard from numerous people off the KRNet. We were obviously unable to accommodate everyones wishes for the location but I hope you will understand the thought process. We want to make this a fun flying Saturday and not just a bunch of builders (like me) and be able to provide hotel space for those who want to make a weekend of it (I plan on this). We have three people, Troy, Mark and myself in three different states trying to put this thing together on somewhat of a short notice so we needed an airport we were familiar with, close to a major airport for commercial travel, one that was within easy flying distance of 12 or 15, or more, states and one that had a KR on the field belonging to someone who would be willing to lend a hand. We know what we have at Columbia. The FBO was disappointed when we moved the gathering before. Also we needed a weekend somewhere that nothing else was going on, the airshow was a nice idea but be want to see KRs flying. If your KR is flying and you can make it there, come on down (or up). I doubt mine will be finished by then, but I'll keep at it. Quick reference, Columbia, TN is about 30 nm, by air, south of Nashville with a 6000 ft. runway, away from everything, great airport and hopefully will have several flying KRs for all you guys who "need a ride". Hope you understand our reasoning here guys, and hope to see everyone there. Again let us know if you are interested...........and pass the word. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 07:31:38 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Columbia, TN Gathering KR2 616TJ wrote: Quick reference, Columbia, TN is about 30 nm, by air, > south of Nashville with a 6000 ft. runway, away from everything, great airport and hopefully will have several flying KRs for all you guys who "need a ride". Hope you understand our reasoning here guys, and hope to see everyone there. Again let us know if you are interested...........and pass the word. > Just checking, but isnt TN more in the central part of the US? Kinda like us west coast builders have a gathering in Perry OK. :o) Just joking guys, sounds like you guys will have a blast! Wish I could make it but one KR gathering a year is more than enough for me. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290, Filling and sanding now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 714.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 10:33:46 -0400 From: Tom Andersen Subject: KR: Progress update This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------DB38AE4C3B2D2F194B936BD8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Last night I received my wing skins from Dan Diehl. His workmanship is impeccable, and these skins are going to be real easy to assemble. The one-hour installation video ended with a few minutes of KR flying, including five KR's in tight formation.I AM STOKED. I have come so much closer to completion because of these wings. You don't even have to turn the fuselage/wing upside down for the assembly. They are glass-smooth on the surface. In fact, I have to knock off the shine just to paint them. I made a hot wire bow from a piece of nichrome wire and some wood blocks. I've cut the wing cores for the 1/4 scale model, and I am definitely going to cut the stabilizer cores and the stub wings using this technique. I used polystyrene foam, but am thinking of hotwiring the urethane foam by doing it outdoors. See you all in Tennessee! - -Tom in Orlando Building outer spars. - --------------DB38AE4C3B2D2F194B936BD8 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Tom Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Tom n: ;Tom email;internet: tomkr2s@worldnet.att.net x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard - --------------DB38AE4C3B2D2F194B936BD8-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:11:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: Progress update On Tue, 19 May 1998, Tom Andersen wrote: > > > > Last night I received my wing skins from Dan Diehl. His workmanship is > impeccable, and these skins are going to be real easy to assemble. The one-hour > installation video ended with a few minutes of KR flying, including five KR's in > tight formation.I AM STOKED. > I have come so much closer to completion because of these wings. You don't even > have to turn the fuselage/wing upside down for the assembly. They are > glass-smooth on the surface. In fact, I have to knock off the shine just to paint > them. > I made a hot wire bow from a piece of nichrome wire and some wood blocks. I've > cut the wing cores for the 1/4 scale model, and I am definitely going to cut the > stabilizer cores and the stub wings using this technique. I used polystyrene > foam, but am thinking of hotwiring the urethane foam by doing it outdoors. > See you all in Tennessee! > -Tom in Orlando > Building outer spars. > Glad to hear about the progress but be VERY CAREFUL WITH URETHANE FOAM AND HOT WIRE CUTTING --- IT CAN KILL YOU. POISONOUS GASSES!!! Steve Eberhart - ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:12:48 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: KR: Re: Progress update/hotwire I used polystyrene >> foam, but am thinking of hotwiring the urethane foam by doing it outdoors. >> See you all in Tennessee! >> -Tom in Orlando >> Building outer spars. >> > >Glad to hear about the progress but be VERY CAREFUL WITH URETHANE FOAM >AND HOT WIRE CUTTING --- IT CAN KILL YOU. POISONOUS GASSES!!! > >Steve Eberhart You better have a fan going, and some insurance for those downwind. ;) How much does cyanide gas have to be dispersed before it isn't poisonous anymore anyway? That is the gas it makes isn't it? Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:28:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven A Eberhart Subject: KR: Wings are at the wind tunnel, it is in Ashok's hands now Just dropped off the two wind tunnel wings for testing. Looks like they should physically be mounted in the wind tunnel by Friday. We are almost there. It has been a long road but it is finally coming to a conclusion. Thanks to Randy for the additional funds, it will really help. We collected enough through contributions to cover the $1,000 for the wind tunnel time and for the three sets of CNC machined airfoil templates. I have something around $1,000 of my money invested in the project at this point. I can't believe how fast the expenses mounted but there should be many positives come from all of this. THe KR and Sport Aviation in general should benefit. I will be posting a complete accounting of the contributions received and my major expenses in the project. I have also talked to Dana Overall about setting up a formal set of books for research projects like this. He is researching possible incorporation as a LLC or LL Partnership. I just think that there souuld be some accountability for the contributions. Also incorporation as a non-profit group may lead to being able to deduct contributions. Steve Eberhart - ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:33:26 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: KR: Re:Wings are at the wind tunnel, it is in Ashok's hands now >Thanks to Randy for the additional funds, it will really help. We >collected enough through contributions to cover the $1,000 for the wind >tunnel time and for the three sets of CNC machined airfoil templates. I >have something around $1,000 of my money invested in the project at this >point. I can't believe how fast the expenses mounted but there should be >many positives come from all of this. THe KR and Sport Aviation in >general should benefit. > >I will be posting a complete accounting of the contributions received and >my major expenses in the project. >Steve Eberhart Steve, You haven't answered the last two emails I sent you about the funds, and if it was finally time that you would actually be needing/cashing the checks (long letter ago that you wrote). I will be getting a check off to you on Wednesday! Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:16:09 -0400 From: Patrick Flowers Subject: Re: KR: Progress update Tom Andersen wrote: > > I made a hot wire bow from a piece of nichrome wire and some wood > blocks. I've cut the wing cores for the 1/4 scale model, and I am > definitely going to cut the stabilizer cores and the stub wings > using this technique. I used polystyrene foam, but am thinking of > hotwiring the urethane foam by doing it outdoors. Tom, I'd reconsider, not because of the cyanide(altho that's definitely a valid concern), but because the one good thing about polurethane foam is that it sands so easy. Give Mark Langford's template and sanding board system a try before putting hot-wire to poly-u. Patrick - -- Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 14:27:32 -0400 From: smithr Subject: Re: KR: columbia thing...project update Mark Langford wrote: > He also reported that he's sanding stub wing foam right now. He's using my > inner skin routine and likes it so far. Says it's strong, fast, and > accurate. I'm at about the same point, having made my inner skins and am > about to glue the leading edges to the stub wings. Whats this inner skin routine? Have I missed something? Mark, do you have this routine written down somewhere? 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