From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Saturday, July 25, 1998 12:52 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #128 krnet-l-digest Saturday, July 25 1998 Volume 02 : Number 128 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:56:47 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Elevator size and pitch sensitivity. >>><< hi haris >>> a lot of guys are lengthing the tail, moving engines >>forward, adding >>> bigger engines,etc. to solve the center of gravity problem. i am >>moving my >>> wings back 5". do the calculations, the thing that makes the most >>impact is >>> the location of the wings. as you said the tail force is a product >>of the >>> force* moment arm. the force the tail is conteracting is the >>lift*the moment >>> arm of the wing, moving the moment arm of the wing has the biggest >>effect. >>> do the calcs. and check it out, and let me know what you come up >>with. >>> george > >What are you going to do with the passengers? The standard design plants >your butt in between the two spars, so if you move the wing back, do they >go back too? I assume it would be nice to have the passenger weight on >the center of lift so it wouldn't affect CG, but I don't see how that >could be done with such a design. > >Mike Taglieri Even if the passengers don't end up on the center of lift, you still would have moved the CG forward, without having to extend your engine, or anything else. I was going to move my wing back 2 inches for the same reason, to improve the CG, but chickened out. Building pretty much a plans bird, except for widening. Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:57:41 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Re: Plane Crazy - who owns it now? >I didn't see this show (and rarely watch TV), but I wouldn't be a bit >surprised if the producers chose a builder they knew to be excitable and >borderline unstable, then set up an almost impossible deadline for him to >meet in the hope that he'd go nuts and do something visually exciting. >Mike Taglieri That actually is what happened, somewhat. According to the recent Kitplanes article about the show, the camera crew had been goading him for days just to get some kind of outburst because the show was becoming, um, boring or slow. :) I think it was the builders own schedule that was the problem, not the producers, though I think they made him feel he couldn't adjust his schedule once reality set in. Robert Covington 2 percent Plane Crazy. (2 percent done) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:16:35 EDT From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Fuselage Side Diagonal Pieces In a message dated 98-07-23 01:15:04 EDT, you write: << Hello All, I'm am now working on the diagonal pieces and gussets of the fuselage side. I need help with the diagonal pieces between station C and D. I can not find where in the plans or anywhere else, the measurement for how far down on the vertical member of station D, where the diagonal pieces should meet. Thanks for any help. Trent Flemming >> I am working on the same portion and the best thing I found is to draw the plans on the work table and measure the angles and lengths. I use a 3M small sanding/grinding wheel to do any trimming. Hope this helps Haris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:18:57 EDT From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Elevator size and pitch sensitivity. In a message dated 98-07-23 02:17:32 EDT, you write: << hi haris i would use 3c. george >> c, I presume is mean chord? I'll do some calculations and post them. Haris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 07:03:19 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: hydraulic brake In a message dated 98-07-24 01:32:11 EDT, you write: << Does anyone have experience on how well this design works? I think people on this list have faulted the Azusas for overheating too easily and warping the drum. I'm sure the hydraulic mechanism is well-made, but if it works too well, couldn't it make the overheating problem even worse? Mike Taglieri >> If these are upgrades over his previous hydraulics, you don't use the drums. Rotors are mounted to the inside of the wheel. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 07:09:04 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: Columbia WOO HOO, time to take off work and do the KR shuffle :-)) Tom Anderson, aren't you arriving in Nashville Sat. morning? Nathaniel Smyre called me last night about a ride from Nashville. He can't leave until after work Friday and I'll already be in Columbia. His e-mail is NJSmyre@eden.trevecca.edu Sorry for the post guys, didn't have Tom's e-mail add. Sign posted on office door "The heck with fishin...gone flying" Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 04:28:04 PDT From: "Edward Newbold" Subject: Re: KR: Columbia Nuttin' but problems - that's my life. Guys, the starter broke on my airplane, and I have an appointment with the A&P mechanic at noon on saturday. He thinks it'll take about 2 hours to replace (and, of course, I'll be there to help with the dirty work like cowl removeal, etc). So how long will there be people at the airfield saturday? 'Cause if I can get airborne by 2 PM, I should be on the ground in Columbia by 4 PM. Any ideas? Thanks. Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 04:30:08 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Re: Plane Crazy - who owns it now? >> I have to agree with you 100%. Seems the general public is pretty darn >> stupid for the most part. Hell they cant even elect the right >> president! (if there is such a thing) :o) And like you said they also >> have a tendency to believe everything they read and or see on TV. >> >> -- >> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >> Micheal Mims Arent we part of the "General public" Rich Parker ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 07:29:31 -0400 From: "Tim Stone" Subject: Re: KR: Re: Plane Crazy - who owns it now? - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Parker > >Arent we part of the "General public" > >Rich Parker The loftier stratification, of course! :) Tim S. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 06:45:16 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: RE: KR: Columbia Ed Newbold wrote: > So how long will there be people at the airfield saturday? > 'Cause if I > can get airborne by 2 PM, I should be on the ground in > Columbia by 4 PM. If you're lucky, we won't even be too far into that keg of beer by the time you get there. There's a dinner (bbq or something) scheduled for pretty late, so I'm sure we'll still be around... Mark Langford mailto:langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 04:43:53 PDT From: "Edward Newbold" Subject: KR: Plane Crazy >-----Original Message----- >From: Richard Parker >Arent we part of the "General public" Nope. Nothing "general" about us. :0) We're that "specific part of the public" which: A. Is endowed with a burning desire to toss large amounts of cash into a bottomless put. B. Have big cahunas! Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 04:47:37 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Columbia We'll be waiting for you. Rich Parker >From: "Edward Newbold" >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Subject: Re: KR: Columbia >Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 04:28:04 PDT >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >Nuttin' but problems - that's my life. > >Guys, the starter broke on my airplane, and I have an appointment with >the A&P mechanic at noon on saturday. He thinks it'll take about 2 hours >to replace (and, of course, I'll be there to help with the dirty work >like cowl removeal, etc). > >So how long will there be people at the airfield saturday? 'Cause if I >can get airborne by 2 PM, I should be on the ground in Columbia by 4 PM. > >Any ideas? >Thanks. > >Ed Newbold >Columbus, OH > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 04:58:54 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: RE: KR: Columbia If anyone is interested, for reference I'm bringing my set of plans plus copies to mark up, and for those who either dont have of havent seen, the video of last years KR gathering, Plane Crazy, and Tony Bingelis book The Sportplane Builder. (plus my David Clarks and a tooth brush) For anyone who needs a ride my ETA at Nashville is 1:55 EST. Southwest Flight 1237. Call me before 10:30 am 800-525-2857 or look for the guy with a big grin at the National car rental desk wearing a green golf shirt, tan pants and carrying a red bag. Richard E. Parker Jaffrey, NH richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:21:09 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Elevator size and pitch sensitivity. You wrote: <<<>>>>> You guys who are thinking about moving the wing back several inches will have to consider a different landing gear option. I can almost promise you with the passengers moved forward and the wing moved aft your gona end up on your nose. That is unless you are wussing out and building a nose dragger, even then you may end up with too much weight on the nose wheel because the main wheels are too far aft. Then rotation could be an issue. I also don't understand how this will increase the static margin. I was under the impression the tail size and distance from center of lift were the two contributing factors. Yeah I know keeping the CG forward helps. But then again I just believe everything I read! :o) I think I would rather build a plane with the ability to handle a larger range of operational CG locations than just moving the CG forward on an airframe with the pitch stability of a helicopter! (sorry Haris :o) ) - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Tearing apart the engine now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ***Legal Disclaimer***: All information, included in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way is intended to imply that they are anything more than ideas requiring additional qualified engineering analysis. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:25:04 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: Plane Crazy - who owns it now? Richard Parker wrote: > Arent we part of the "General public" > > Rich Parker > > Yes, therein lies (lays) the sad part! :o) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:27:38 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Columbia Edward Newbold wrote: > Guys, the starter broke on my airplane, > Any ideas? > Thanks. > > Ed Newbold Get your wife to hand prop it Ed! :o) See guys that's why I am not installing one, its just another item that will eventually break at the wrong time! (the starter, not my wife) :o) - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Tearing apart the engine now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ***Legal Disclaimer***: All information, included in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way is intended to imply that they are anything more than ideas requiring additional qualified engineering analysis. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:26:13 PDT From: "Edward Newbold" Subject: KR: Starters, et al >From: Micheal Mims > Edward Newbold wrote: >> Guys, the starter broke on my airplane, >> Any ideas? >Get your wife to hand prop it Ed! :o) See guys that's why I am not >installing one, its just another item that will eventually break >at the wrong time! (the starter, not my wife) :o) Hehehehe! Good idea, Mike. Got any ideas where I might procure a wife? I'm in the market for one of those too. My last one 'broke' about 10 years ago, so I had to get rid of her. :O) Regarding the broken starter: It's over 20 years old, so I'd say it lasted a pretty good length of time before dying. I, personally, will have a starter on my homebuilt too. The one I got from Great Planes is very light and dependable, and I plan on installing it, along with an electronic ignition, on my Reents KR-1. See ya! Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:32:47 PDT From: "Edward Newbold" Subject: KR: Columbia trip >From: "Mark Langford" > Ed Newbold wrote: >> So how long will there be people at the airfield saturday? >> 'Cause if I can get airborne by 2 PM, I should be on the >> ground in Columbia by 4 PM. >If you're lucky, we won't even be too far into that keg of >beer by the time you get there. There's a dinner (bbq or >something) scheduled for pretty late, so I'm sure we'll still >be around. Great! UPS just delivered my brand new Sky-Tec light weight starter for the Lycoming O-235 and the mechanic is lined up and ready to go tomorrow. Shouldn't be much of a job (according to him). Should I bring anything special? How 'bout I bring along a set of plans for the French Ibis VW-powered all-wood 2-seat canard for guys o look at? I don't have a reservation for the Polk, so I sure hope they don't run out of rooms. I'm bringing along a cute little gal who's very interested in aircraft, although she *does* think we homebuilders are a little on the looney side. (and - no, I'm not involved with her, so she's fair game for anyone ) See you all tomorrow. Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:58:21 -0400 From: smithr Subject: KR: hstab/elevator assembly - --------------FBC07749DF5F28EF6CA1CED3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys, I'm working on my hstab and elevator and have a question about whether you put in the hinge axis bolts before or after glassing. I assume that you glass first: make & glass the hstab, then the elevator , then carve out some foam and glass to the left and right of each hinge bottom (of both hstab and elev) so you can get your fingers in to assemble the hinge axis bolts & nuts. Is this correct or is there another way? Also, I see that the elevator horn hasn't enough room for its 30 deg travel. It binds a little at a spruce vertical at the fuse sides. I plan on cutting away 1/4" of spruce and reinforcing to make up for what I cut away. Does this sound OK? Thanks in advance Bob Smith KR2S, Albany - --------------FBC07749DF5F28EF6CA1CED3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys,

I'm working on my hstab and elevator and have a question about whether you put in the hinge axis bolts before or after glassing.  I assume that you glass first: make & glass the hstab,  then the elevator , then carve out some foam and glass to the left and right of each hinge bottom (of both hstab and elev) so you can get your fingers in to assemble the hinge axis bolts & nuts.  Is this correct or is there another way?

Also,  I see that the elevator horn hasn't enough room for its 30 deg travel. It binds a little at a spruce vertical at the fuse sides.  I plan on cutting away 1/4" of spruce and reinforcing to make up for what I cut away.  Does this sound OK?

Thanks in advance
Bob Smith  KR2S, Albany - --------------FBC07749DF5F28EF6CA1CED3-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:17:27 -0600 From: Adrian Carter Subject: Re: KR: Revmaster Vs. Oil Great Plains Aircraft wrote: > > the slip in hydraulic lifters are stock vw lifters that have chevy > internals installed in them. there have been associated problems with > lifter breakage using this kind of set up. not new information. to do > hydraulics correctly in a type one, the lifter bores need to be machined > for a chevy 265-350 hyd. lifter. Rimco in ca does this for a modest > fee. Steve. ps. solids still work the best and are the least > problematic in type 1 motors. That's why I went with solids, my research showed these to be the best. Have a good one at OSH - Steve! - -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:55:30 -0600 From: Adrian Carter Subject: Re: KR: Cowling Construction > Failed to mention - I used all the scrap foam I could come up with - > blue, brown and clark foam - hot glued together - sanded to shape and > coated with sheetrock premixed mud - applied with a brush - sand/recoat > (lots of dust) as necessary - will build up nicely for fillets. When > satisified with shape and smoothness paint to seal with any old enamel > you may have around. When the paint has cured - wax with a good paste > wax or mold release (it probably will still stick when you try to remove > the finished layup). That's the way to do it, save those scrap pieces. I might mention a good separating agent is PVA (poly vinyl alcohol) it's green in color and water soluble. I found that just wax does not always work and had many stuck pieces until I started using PVA. All my parts cowling, front deck, canopy frame and turtle deck were out of molds. Unless you have molds that are exceptionally smooth, you will get a sticker and they are hard to break apart. With PVA you can place an air nozzle and introduce air between the mold and copy and it will just pop out. You can get PVA at any fiberglass place. Hope this helps some, just another way, learned by trial and error. - -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:44:22 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Starters, et al Edward Newbold wrote: > Regarding the broken starter: It's over 20 years old, so I'd say it > lasted a pretty good length of time before dying. >>> Heck thats 2x as long as most wives these days! Does Bosch build women? :o) - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Tearing apart the engine now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ***Legal Disclaimer***: All information, included in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way is intended to imply that they are anything more than ideas requiring additional qualified engineering analysis. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:46:06 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: hstab/elevator assembly smithr wrote: > > Also, I see that the elevator horn hasn't enough room for its 30 deg > travel. It binds a little at a spruce vertical at the fuse sides. I > plan on cutting away 1/4" of spruce and reinforcing to make up for > what I cut away. Does this sound OK? > > Thanks in advance Thats what I did, this is one of those areas that should be a little wider. And if I had to do it again,....... - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Tearing apart the engine now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ***Legal Disclaimer***: All information, included in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way is intended to imply that they are anything more than ideas requiring additional qualified engineering analysis. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:19:14 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: hstab/elevator assembly smithr wrote: > > Hey guys, > > I'm working on my hstab and elevator and have a question about whether > you put in the hinge axis bolts before or after glassing. I assume > that you glass first: make & glass the hstab, then the elevator , > then carve out some foam and glass to the left and right of each hinge > bottom (of both hstab and elev) This is the same way that I did it. > Also, I see that the elevator horn hasn't enough room for its 30 deg > travel. It binds a little at a spruce vertical at the fuse sides. I offset the elevator control horn so that it was in the center of the fuselage area. These means that the hinge was off to the side a little bit. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:21:33 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Cowling Construction Adrian Carter wrote: > > - wax with a good paste > > wax or mold release (it probably will still stick when you try to remove > > the finished layup). > That's the way to do it, save those scrap pieces. I might mention a good > separating agent is PVA (poly vinyl alcohol) it's green in color and > water soluble > With PVA you can place an air nozzle and introduce > air between the mold and copy and it will just pop out. You can get PVA > at any fiberglass place. Hope this helps some, just another way, learned > by trial and error. Since it is water soluble, you can also soak it in water till it softens. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:32:58 EDT From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Elevator size and pitch sensitivity. In a message dated 98-07-24 11:17:58 EDT, you write: << I also don't understand how this will increase the static margin. I was under the impression the tail size and distance from center of lift were the two contributing factors. Yeah I know keeping the CG forward helps. But then again I just believe everything I read! :o) >> What is moving wing backwards (or forward) any way? Is it moving engine forward and tail forward? If that is the case, I do not think it is a good idea. I was led to believe that everything is relative to the wings (They do all the flying after all). So any changes made should be referenced to wings. I think << I would rather build a plane with the ability to handle a larger range of operational CG locations than just moving the CG forward on an airframe with the pitch stability of a helicopter! (sorry Haris :o) ) >> I I have less trouble flying a KR2 at the gathering then I had with an R-22 initially, then for me atleast the 'pitch sensitivity issue' is dead. Haris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:37:03 EDT From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: hstab/elevator assembly In a message dated 98-07-24 12:59:30 EDT, you write: << Also, I see that the elevator horn hasn't enough room for its 30 deg travel. It binds a little at a spruce vertical at the fuse sides. I plan on cutting away 1/4" of spruce and reinforcing to make up for what I cut away. Does this sound O >> I am not there yet but I plan to build the whole frame with hinges (5 sets)attached etc. first before doing any glassing. Any potential problems? Anybody. Haris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:42:40 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Wussing Out At 08:21 AM 7/24/98 -0700, you wrote: >You wrote: > That is unless you are wussing out and building a >nose dragger >Micheal Mims > What do you mean...wussing out????%#@*&^@*^ Bobby & Beverly Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:29:01 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Wussing Out At 07:42 PM 7/24/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 08:21 AM 7/24/98 -0700, you wrote: >>You wrote: >> That is unless you are wussing out and building a >>nose dragger > >>Micheal Mims >> > >What do you mean...wussing out????%#@*&^@*^ > Oh I am just poking fun at you nose wheelers! :o) Actually believe it or not I am beginning to think I would have been better off with a tri-gear myself. It sure blows a lot at my home airport plus with the extra engine weight I think dragging the nose would have been a better way to go. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Tearing apart the engine now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:37:26 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Cowling Construction At 06:21 PM 7/24/98 -0400, you wrote: >Since it is water soluble, you can also soak it in water till it >softens. > >-- >Don Reid I am enjoying the thread on cowlings. I will be well into the cowling thing on another month or two. Right now I am just cleaning engine parts and getting ready to buy a gasket kit. Should have the jugs cleaned up as well as the valves lapped in two weeks or so. The Lycoming I bought was rumored to be a "low time" engine and behold its like new inside! Woo Hoo! Hopefully I can keep it that way. :o) zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Tearing apart the engine now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:25:55 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Columbia trip > >I don't have a reservation for the Polk, so I sure hope they don't run >out of rooms. I'm bringing along a cute little gal who's very interested >in aircraft, although she *does* think we homebuilders are a little on >the looney side. (and - no, I'm not involved with her, so she's fair >game for anyone ) > >See you all tomorrow. > >Ed Newbold >Columbus, OH Bring her to Meadowlake airport (Colorado Springs area) on your way home. I am available and quite a catch for some lucky lady. Ron "The Batchelor" Lee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:44:51 -0500 From: "Smyre, Nathaniel J." Subject: RE: KR: Columbia trip just how young is this young lady? :) i'm also fair game. Nate > ---------- > From: Ron Lee[SMTP:ronlee@pcisys.net] > Sent: Friday, July 24, 1998 9:25 PM > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: Columbia trip > > > > > >I don't have a reservation for the Polk, so I sure hope they don't run > >out of rooms. I'm bringing along a cute little gal who's very interested > >in aircraft, although she *does* think we homebuilders are a little on > >the looney side. (and - no, I'm not involved with her, so she's fair > >game for anyone ) > > > >See you all tomorrow. > > > >Ed Newbold > >Columbus, OH > > Bring her to Meadowlake airport (Colorado Springs area) on your way home. > I am available and quite a catch for some lucky lady. > > Ron "The Batchelor" Lee > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:44:52 -0400 (EDT) From: jeroffey@tir.com (jeroffey) Subject: KR: Plane Crazy/ OSH The show did't do homebuilding any good, it just confirmed that any egotistical nut can get a show about himself on TV. I'll be at OSH on the 31/1/2, via 182RG N5545S. John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:52:06 -0400 (EDT) From: jeroffey@tir.com (jeroffey) Subject: Re: KR: Fuselage Side Diagonal Pieces >In a message dated 98-07-23 01:15:04 EDT, you write: > ><< Hello All, > > I'm am now working on the diagonal pieces and gussets of the fuselage side. > I need help with the diagonal pieces between station C and D. I can not > find where in the plans or anywhere else, the measurement for how far down > on the vertical member of station D, where the diagonal pieces should meet. > Thanks for any help. > > Trent Flemming >> > >I am working on the same portion and the best thing I found is to draw the >plans on the work table and measure the angles and lengths. I use a 3M small >sanding/grinding wheel to do any trimming. > >Hope this helps > >Haris >They meet at the top of the spar Trent. John > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:57:02 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Wussing Out >At 08:21 AM 7/24/98 -0700, you wrote: >>You wrote: >> That is unless you are wussing out and building a >>nose dragger > >>Micheal Mims >> > >What do you mean...wussing out????%#@*&^@*^ > > Bobby & Beverly Muse Thanks Bobby, my thoughts exactly. :) Robert Covington I nose best. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 09:30:49 +0200 From: "Pierre & Anton Fouche'" Subject: Re: KR: RE: Compression Ratio > Rian Mey wrote: > > Hello Steve, > > Rian Mey aan die woord. Trotse eienaar van ZS-UKR (KR2) vir die > afgelope 3 weke. Realiteit is egter nou besig om in te sink. Ek is > opsoek na 'n enigine. Waarom het jy besluit op 'n Revmaster? > Hi Rian As an Afrikaans speaking South African I must inform you that I think that you have an arrogant disregard for the other users of this web forum. There are guys from all over Europe whose home language is not english who do their best. It raises a smile from time to time. You should be extremely ashamed of yourself and issue an apology to all the other users of this forum. If you want to communicate with Steve Boshoff in the 'taal' then you should do so to his personal e-mail address. Regards all Anton and Pierre Fouche' ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 09:05:41 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: hstab/elevator assembly HAshraf@aol.com wrote: > I am not there yet but I plan to build the whole frame with hinges (5 > sets)attached etc. first before doing any glassing. Any potential problems? > Anybody. I believe that a number of us glassed in that manner without problems. I used a long 3/16" as a hinge pin while glassing so that I could separate the pieces easily, then used bolts for the final assembly. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 09:09:07 -0400 From: Harold P Subject: KR: Limbach engine homepage This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------0C5E3A91758498B71BEE4205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang! For those interested I just came across the Limbach homepage. Rgds Harold KR-2 CGKAV Montreal,Canada http://www.limflug.de/docs/enmenue.htm - --------------0C5E3A91758498B71BEE4205 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1; name="enmenue.htm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="enmenue.htm" Content-Base: "http://www.limflug.de/docs/enmenue.htm" Menü

 

 






home Links Contact References Products home - --------------0C5E3A91758498B71BEE4205-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 06:51:54 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Good suppliers Hello, Netters I know it's been said before, but just to add my testimonial: good suppliers deserve to know they're giving good support, and we need to pass the word. Wicks Aircraft Supply has been great to me, and I haven't even ordered any big supplies from them. I e-mailed them with a request for some info, and got a reply plus a copy of their latest catalog in the mail- for free. All I hear here is that they have good prices and good support. Great Plains Aircraft Supply has many, many items directly developed for the KR aircraft, including engine mounts, exhaust and intake systems, wheels and brakes, etc.- because Steve Bennett has long been a KR builder and pilot, and has the experience to know what works and what doesn't. Of course, their main product is VW engines and conversion stuff, but by all means get their catalog- there's lots of stuff there. Steve is here on the KRNet, which makes it even better if you have a question which may interest others also. I'm leaving here in about an hour in the Super Cub to fly up to a super-secret little airstrip high in the Oregon Siskiyou mountains ;o), where Paul Martin is taxi-testing his refurbished KR. I will take the sound meter along, and take readings with and without the VW silencers on his exhaust, for those who were interested. May also take a photo and post it later for viewing. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:02:46 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: Plane Crazy - who owns it now? At 10:34 AM 7/25/98 -0700, you wrote: >4) The FIRST composite aircraft was a KR, I believe, not a Vari-Eze. > >Geez, now I'm really whining. >-- Ross I don't think the KR is a true composite aircraft. Mainly because non of the "composite" parts are structural. Yes it has composite parts but it is not a composite airplane. I have built both and trust me the KR doesn't really qualify. Of course this assumes composite means foam and fiberglass construction which it generally does in the homebuilt world. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Tearing apart the engine now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:04:51 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: hstab/elevator assembly At 10:47 AM 7/25/98 -0700, you wrote: I am wondering what folks have done to get the proper rudder travel. Machine the horn (as displayed in the plans photos)or clearance the aft vert spar area. >> Isnt the horn supposed to be made so that it is the control stop? At least thats how mine turned out. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Tearing apart the engine now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:14:28 -0700 From: wolfpacks@juno.com (Linda & Paul Martin) Subject: KR: KR photos I just put a tiny web page up for our KR2. Basic photos and little info, but now my relatives back east can see what I've been doing with my time. Check out www.wolfpacks.com/KR I just took Oscar for a ride down the pavement and he seemed to enjoy it. He flew up in a SuperCub so taxi testing is a bit tame in comparison. I was able to keep the nose wheel off the ground for a little bit and even got to test the tail skid. With only 1.5 gallons in the header tank and 330 lbs. of passenger & pilot it doesn't take much elevator to lift the nose. Paul M. Ashland, OR traildog@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:54:21 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: KR photos Linda & Paul Martin wrote: > > I just put a tiny web page up for our KR2. Basic photos and little info, > but now my relatives back east can see what I've been doing with my time. > Check out http://www.wolfpacks.com/KR It looks nice, even (if I understand properly) no final paint. If it is in fact just a primer coat, then I suspect that only one good coat of color will be required. What type of primer are you using? > I just took Oscar for a ride down the pavement and he seemed to enjoy it. > He flew up in a SuperCub so taxi testing is a bit tame in comparison. I envy Oscar, the most fun I have had in my flying career has been a few hours in a SuperCub. I almost wish that I were building a WagAero "Cub". - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #128 *****************************