From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Saturday, August 01, 1998 6:40 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #132 krnet-l-digest Saturday, August 1 1998 Volume 02 : Number 132 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:50:45 EDT From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Wing skins (and engines) In a message dated 98-07-28 21:27:54 EDT, you write: << To All who are thinking of the O-200 I have discovered that the RR O-200 engine mount will not allow the use of the pull starter or standard generator. You can use 3/8" spacers for the starter but the generator is an inch longer than the pull starter. The key starter is shorter but there is a problem with the sprage clutch. So that leaves only the B&C starter ( $800 ) that will fit that mount. Also I have run into numerous problems trying to get a cowl to fit the stock O-200 that you would be seen in public with.One in the dumpster and a better one in work. I may know where there is an O-200 GPU. I'll check this out and get back with youguys later ( I think about $1200 will buy it F.O.B. Tulsa,OK. Next, does anyone know where I can find O-200 Mag. gears P/N 36066 ?? I need two and the drive gear assembly for the generator. Thanks Jean N4DD >> I thought that O-200 is being sucessfully used in KR-2. Haris Ashraf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:58:18 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Wing skins (and engines) At 08:58 PM 7/29/98 -0500, you wrote: >I just found out that the new RR mount is about 2 1/2" longer than the >original which was 8 7/8" from firewall to engine mount. The problem is >that you now have the C.G. shifted that much further forward.>>> That aint no problem that's a blessing! :o) zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Tearing apart the engine now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:07:39 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Wing skins (and engines) At 12:50 AM 7/30/98 EDT, you wrote: >I thought that O-200 is being sucessfully used in KR-2. > >Haris Ashraf > It has been but with a little work. Now the KR2S is a different story, the firewall is bigger, the new motor mount moves the engine further forward and the beautiful S model cowling fits over the O200 just fine. Don't worry it will fit! Trust me! :o) Got my jugs back from RIMCO today. Sure is nice to have them just 1 mile down the street from my work! ( literally the same street). As I expected they did exactly what I wanted and didn't even bat an eye at the A word (airplane). They didn't care what so ever! Actually when the guy at the counter saw those jugs his eyes really "bugged out". I could see the gears starting to whirl in his head as he tried to figure out how to mount them on his type 1 case. Mike "Size does matter" Mims zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Tearing apart the engine now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 06:20:12 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: KR Gathering Taxi Will there be a "free" taxi available this year and where will it go? Only to the Best Western or other motels as well? Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:04:16 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: KR: Enigine Mounts N4DD wrote: > I just found out that the new RR mount is about 2 1/2" longer than the > original which was 8 7/8" from firewall to engine mount. The problem is > that you now have the C.G. shifted that much further forward. Martin > Roberts is 8 7/8" that was what I was using as a referance. This is interesting. I have a reference that shows that the 8 7/8" would represent an absolute minimum to allow the mags to be removed, but would not allow the installation of a stock electrical starter. It specifies 9.69" to accomodate the starter and 11.69" to allow the starter to be removed. I don't have dimensions on the pull starter. For what it is worth, my mount will be on the order of 18" long. I did a preliminary weight and balance a few weeks ago to check some things. I am sizing the mount such that it will be almost impossible to get to an aft CG situation. Two real adult males, and full wing tanks, and an empty header tank, and some baggage should be controlable. It will be marginal for a single 120# pilot, with empty wing tanks, but I am not really concerned about that case. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:39:57 EDT From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: KR Gathering Taxi In a message dated 98-07-30 08:25:48 EDT, you write: > Will there be a "free" taxi available this year and where will it go? > > Only to the Best Western or other motels as well? > > Ron Lee Good question, I'll check with Don to see what he has set up. Last year I believe there were enogh folks who drove in to provide rides for those who didn't, I'd expect the same this year. Cheers Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:36:23 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Oshkosh coverage no the net Go to: http://www.avweb.com/oshkosh/osh98/ zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Tearing apart the engine now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:44:32 CST From: "Rex Ellington" Subject: KR: Columbia gathering, fuselage pictures G'Day net I was most intrigued by the two pictures of a fuselage laying upside down on a work table. It was made up of formers with laminated bows. From years back, I seem to remember similar things in Bengelis' articles on his Falco. There seem to be no continuous lower longerons. Right?? How will it be covered?? Is torsional strength adequate without any internal diagonals?? Finally, what about weight comparision with the Rand fuselage?? Any comments by builders who saw it at Columbia?? Any info on how I might contact the builder would be appreciated. Rex Ellington Rex T. Ellington ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:53:32 -0500 From: "Dean R. Collette, MD" Subject: KR: Where's Rex? Sorry to post this to the net Rex Both the email listed at the bottom of your message and the reply listing in the header don't work. How do I send you email? Dean. mailto:drdean@execpc.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:48:10 EDT From: Brewboss@aol.com Subject: KR: VW Engines I am begining to think about winter work for my KR-2S. At this point I am pretty sure that I want to go with the VW engine. My question to all of those who have gone that route and are further along what do you think is the best route, should I try to find a tired old vw and rebuild it or just call great planes and have them send me a kit? Is there any great monetary savings in rebuilding? Next question, where can I find a book on rebuilding and adapting vw to the KR? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:27:59 -0500 From: "Dean R. Collette, MD" Subject: KR: Oshkosh Update Netters, Today was the first day that I could make it to "the big one." The crowds seem to be bigger this year than I have ever seen before. Tom Crawford's KR is there in all of it's glory. What an outstanding airplane! Every time I walked by it there was always people gawking! Judging won't be until later this week, but I am sure that he'll take something home. He wasn't anywhere near the plane this afternoon so I'll try to catch him later this week. (I also noticed that he managed to bring the construction photos with him - proudly displayed in the baggage area.) Notably missing is Rand - Robinson. I walked past booth after booth of people with plans and parts for every type of plane imaginable, but no RR - interesting. . . More later Dean mailto:drdean@execpc.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:30:52 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Oshkosh Update At 08:27 PM 7/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >Notably missing is Rand - Robinson. I walked past booth after booth of >people with plans and parts for every type of plane imaginable, but no RR - -interesting. . . > > I think you will find that Oshkosh isn't much of a KR meeting place. Very few if any KRs have shown up in the last few years. Also I think KR owners as well as RR feel like they have been snubbed in the past. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:46:12 EDT From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Wing skins (and engines) In a message dated 98-07-30 01:59:04 EDT, you write: The problem is that you now have the C.G. shifted that much further forward.>>> << That aint no problem that's a blessing! :o) zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims >> How does that affect the cowling-spinner interface? Haris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:13:58 -0500 From: Ed Janssen Subject: Re: KR: VW Engines Brewboss is it? - didn't see your signature, Go with Great Planes, you won't be sorry in the long run. In the past, they have offered (I assume they still do) a program in which you visit the factory and build up your engine under their watchful eye (and help). You can learn a lot about VWs from Steve Bennett. They also sell a very good engine manual. Wait 'til after Oshkosh before trying to contact them as they are no doubt at the convention. Ed Janssen At 06:48 PM 7/30/98 EDT, you wrote: >I am begining to think about winter work for my KR-2S. At this point I am >pretty sure that I want to go with the VW engine. My question to all of those >who have gone that route and are further along what do you think is the best >route, should I try to find a tired old vw and rebuild it or just call great >planes and have them send me a kit? Is there any great monetary savings in >rebuilding? > >Next question, where can I find a book on rebuilding and adapting vw to the >KR? > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:20:47 -0700 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: VW Engines Brewboss@aol.com wrote: > > I am begining to think about winter work for my KR-2S. At this point I am > pretty sure that I want to go with the VW engine. My question to all of those > who have gone that route and are further along what do you think is the best > route, should I try to find a tired old vw and rebuild it or just call great > planes and have them send me a kit? Is there any great monetary savings in > rebuilding? > > Next question, where can I find a book on rebuilding and adapting vw to the > KR? - ----------- It is your choice. Either way you will need to buy a lot of new parts and Great Planes has everything you will need all in one place. The best book onb VW s is by Tom Wilson "How to rebuild your Volkswagen air cooled engine". Any VW shop has it and Great planes has it. Also get Steve's book on building the VW motor. There are a lot of others that are good but these will get you going. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field mr.marvin@worldnet.att.net - ------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:30:33 EDT From: BSHADR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Oshkosh Update In a message dated 98-07-30 21:21:09 EDT, you write: << Notably missing is Rand - Robinson. I walked past booth after booth of people with plans and parts for every type of plane imaginable, but no RR - interesting. . . >> Hmmmmm...Ask Steve Bennett, Great Plains. He'll know if she is a no show. She usually is in one of the first two new buildings on the right side when you enter through the main gate. Maybe she is just a late arrival. Randy Stein Societ Monica, CA mailto: BSHADR@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:31:54 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: engines At 11:07 PM 7/29/98 -0700, you wrote: >At 12:50 AM 7/30/98 EDT, you wrote: >>I thought that O-200 is being sucessfully used in KR-2. >> >>Haris Ashraf >> > >It has been but with a little work. > >Mike "Size does matter" Mims > I guess 'Successfully' is a relative term. .o) Bobby & Beverly Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:46:29 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR:O-200 Mount - was Wing skins Jean, Thanks for clearing that up. I bought both mounts, then sold the shorter one. The RRE O-200 mount fits the Continentals very nicely and leaves plenty of room for accessories. The only problem I am aware of is that the lower cross brace is very close to the alternator/generator. There's less than 1/2" side clearance between my 20 amp generator and the cross brace. I have heard that the alternator, which is a larger diameter than the generator, binds up against the cross brace. The forward CG shift was ideal for my plane, but it was planned that way. You can always move ELT, battery and other heavy objects a little aft. For those wondering what we are talking about, there are two mounts available. The shorter one doesn't leave enough room between the engine and firewall to mount the starter and generator. The other is sold by Rand Robinson as the KR-2S/O-200 engine mount. In reality, it will also fit the stock KR-2 firewall and will mount any of the small Continental engines (A-65 - IO-240). It is 2 1/2 inches longer than the other mount and leaves plenty of room for the starter and generator, and even enough room for me to work on my old monster sized Eiseman magnetos. Sure wish someone would have told me all this before I ended up spending the money for both. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm >Jeff >I just found out that the new RR mount is about 2 1/2" longer than the >original which was 8 7/8" from firewall to engine mount. The problem is >that you now have the C.G. shifted that much further forward. Martin >Roberts is 8 7/8" that was what I was using as a referance. >Jean >N4DD > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:01:35 -0400 From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: Re: KR: Oshkosh Update - -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 1998 9:31 PM Subject: Re: KR: Oshkosh Update >At 08:27 PM 7/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >>Notably missing is Rand - Robinson. > >I think you will find that Oshkosh isn't much of a KR meeting place. Very >few if any KRs have shown up in the last few years. Also I think KR owners >as well as RR feel like they have been snubbed in the past. I was there last year but I guess I missed most of the KR crowd. Only one (very nice) KR on the line. The KR booth was there, but didn't seem to be doing much business. Had to really look for them, but found them, second hanger back in the new area, left side hangers (facing away from the runways. End of a row of vendors. Not very obvious. - - Cary- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:03:07 -0400 From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: Re: KR: Oshkosh Update >She usually is in one of the first two new buildings on the right side when >you enter through the main gate. Maybe she is just a late arrival. > Ok, if you enter that way, its the first hanger on the right as you walk in the (New) main gate. - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:38:28 EDT From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: engines In a message dated 98-07-30 22:33:01 EDT, you write: << I guess 'Successfully' is a relative term. .o) Bobby & Beverly Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX >> I would say that if you bolt it on and later it flys that is sucess. Haris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:31:01 -0400 From: "Bob Vermeulen" Subject: Re: KR: Oshkosh Update - ---------- > At 08:27 PM 7/30/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Notably missing is Rand - Robinson. I walked past booth after booth of > >people with plans and parts for every type of plane imaginable, but no RR > -interesting. . . > > > > > > I think you will find that Oshkosh isn't much of a KR meeting place. Very > few if any KRs have shown up in the last few years. Also I think KR owners > as well as RR feel like they have been snubbed in the past. > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Early this spring, in fact well before Sun 'n Fun, I was talking to Jeanette about the high cost of doing business in aviation circles. She told me of her total costs to do the show at Oshkosh (around $8K) and stated that it wasn't worth it anymore. I agree with her. Booth space at Osh is outta sight. If EAA really wants to promote grassroots aviation maybe the convention needs to change so that it highlights the efforts of the homebuilder and grassroots aviation companies. As long as the big companies buy up show space, the small companies are going to pay high prices and eventually will no longer show up. Jeanette did assure me that she would maintain a presence at Sun 'n Fun and of course her favorite event is still the Gathering. Guys, I think that we should encourage Jeanette whenever we can. Give her a call and make sure you see her whenever she's at your favorite show. You may not always agree with her or the way she's doing things, but she's kept our dream alive. Descending Soapbox Now, Video Bob P.S. The Builder Forums video is done!!! I get back on that later. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:22:48 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: VW Engines In a message dated 98-07-30 18:49:11 EDT, you write: << Is there any great monetary savings in rebuilding? Next question, where can I find a book on rebuilding and adapting vw to the KR? >> I think someone else may have posted this but Rex Taylor has a nice book titled How to Build a Reliable VW Aeor Engine. I know, I know some people might think that statement to be an oxymoron :-)). Steve at Great Plains also sells his VW assembly manual which is very good, he sells it for something like $10.00 but it goes through the entire rebuild process....well worth the money. As for price a built up long block 2180 is somewhere around $2900.00 whereas the upgrade kit from a stock 1835 to 2180 around $1350.00 and you use your case and heads. Start off with a good case, I had mine line bored to .5mm over exterior on the bearing saddles but used standard interior. It's a pretty easy process. You can see a simplified build up page on my web site-see engine. Good luck. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:39:34 EDT From: XZOSTD1@aol.com Subject: KR: KR Parts Clearance... Ordered a Glastar I will have the following available. Diehl mains(taildragger) with all brake stuff. lots of foam.... urethane, and the blue stuff In the box BRS. chute fuselage with all the woodwork done, operating tail, and elevator. tail section is glassed. All of the wing and spar woodwork are in place with attach fittings. Cables, hinges, most alum. parts. All parts and raw materials where purchased new in the last 2 years. I will sell parts or all to the best offer received by Aug. 31 1998 Bill Huntley SEND ME A OFFER!!!! GLASTAR COMES IN 2 MONTHS Green Bay, WI. 45 min. from EAA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:18:32 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: KR Parts Clearance... Ordered a Glastar XZOSTD1@aol.com wrote: > > I will have the following available. Is your project a KR2 or a KR2S? - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:01:22 -0500 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: Dual Sticks - was Control cables (dead horse) - --------------F3BD77D9BE5AD07A343DB85A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit THAT'S A GREAT TRICK, JEFF, HOW DID YOU DO THAT? rich Jeffrey E Scott wrote: > It's never happened to me in 22 years of flying dual control flying > machines, including several passengers in the KR in the last year. On > the other hand, there were times in the Champ when we landed when no one > was touching the sticks..... > > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > jscott.pilot@juno.com > See N1213W construction and first flight at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html > http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > > On Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:53:43 -0400 smithr writes: > >Mark, > >In a dual stick arrangement, have you considered the possibility that > >your > >passenger might accidentally bump or move the stick at a critical > >moment and > >cause a temporary loss of control? I suppose the solution to that > >would be to > >make a removable passenger stick. > > > >Bob Smith (trying to think ahead) > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - --------------F3BD77D9BE5AD07A343DB85A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit THAT'S A GREAT TRICK, JEFF, HOW DID YOU DO THAT?

rich

Jeffrey E Scott wrote:

It's never happened to me in 22 years of flying dual control flying
machines, including several passengers in the KR in the last year.  On
the other hand, there were times in the Champ when we landed when no one
was touching the sticks.....

Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM
jscott.pilot@juno.com
See N1213W construction and first flight at
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html
http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm

On Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:53:43 -0400 smithr <smithr@wadsworth.org> writes:
>Mark,
>In a dual stick arrangement, have you considered the possibility that
>your
>passenger might accidentally bump or move the stick at a critical
>moment and
>cause a temporary loss of control?  I suppose the solution to that
>would be to
>make a removable passenger stick.
>
>Bob Smith   (trying to think ahead)

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  - --------------F3BD77D9BE5AD07A343DB85A-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:09:58 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Dual Sticks - was Control cables (dead horse) By not watching what either of us was doing. Ground effect and grass make for a decent landing even when nobody is flying. It was the rollout that ended up backwards. :o) Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM On Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:01:22 -0500 rmccall writes: >THAT'S A GREAT TRICK, JEFF, HOW DID YOU DO THAT? > >rich > >Jeffrey E Scott wrote: > >> It's never happened to me in 22 years of flying dual control flying >> machines, including several passengers in the KR in the last year. >On >> the other hand, there were times in the Champ when we landed when no one >> was touching the sticks..... >> >> Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM >> jscott.pilot@juno.com >> See N1213W construction and first flight at >> http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html >> http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm >> >> On Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:53:43 -0400 smithr >writes: >> >Mark, >> >In a dual stick arrangement, have you considered the possibility >that >> >your >> >passenger might accidentally bump or move the stick at a critical >> >moment and >> >cause a temporary loss of control? I suppose the solution to that >> >would be to >> >make a removable passenger stick. >> > >> >Bob Smith (trying to think ahead) >> >> >_____________________________________________________________________ >> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >> Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > >--------------F3BD77D9BE5AD07A343DB85A >Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >THAT'S A GREAT TRICK, JEFF, HOW DID YOU DO THAT? > >

rich > >

Jeffrey E Scott wrote: >

It's never happened to me in 22 years of flying >dual >control flying >
machines, including several passengers in the KR in the last >year.  >On >
the other hand, there were times in the Champ when we landed when >no >one >
was touching the sticks..... > >

Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM >
jscott.pilot@juno.com >
See N1213W construction and first flight at >
HREF="http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html">http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html >
HREF="http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm">http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > >

On Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:53:43 -0400 smithr <smithr@wadsworth.org> >writes: >
>Mark, >
>In a dual stick arrangement, have you considered the possibility >that >
>your >
>passenger might accidentally bump or move the stick at a critical >
>moment and >
>cause a temporary loss of control?  I suppose the solution >to >that >
>would be to >
>make a removable passenger stick. >
> >
>Bob Smith   (trying to think ahead) > >

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>  > >--------------F3BD77D9BE5AD07A343DB85A-- > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:45:50 EDT From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: KR: Alternate Lodging at Perry For those still looking for a room, a friend of mine just told me that the Day's Inn still has rooms open. Hope that helps some of you who were planning on camping out Friday night. I don't have a number, but I know Day's Inn has an 800 number. Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:48:51 EDT From: XZOSTD1@aol.com Subject: KR: Re: KR2S KR Parts Clearance... Ordered a Glastar All of the parts are for a KR2S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:51:58 EDT From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: KR: Alternate Perry Lodging I just did a search on hotels in Perry, here's everything that came up. Best Western Inn Highway 77 & I 35 Perry, OK 73077 Phone: (580)336-2218 Dan D Motel 515 Fir St Perry, OK 73077-3401 Phone: (580)336-4463 Days Inn Ih 36 Exit 186 Perry, OK 73077-3401 Phone: (580)336-2277 Sooner's Corner Motel 3107 Highway 77 W Perry, OK 73077-7901 Phone: (580)336-2323 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 09:40:04 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: Carbon Fiber Before I order some carbon fiber, is there anything I need to be aware about using the stufff? I'm thinking of using it to lay up one layer on top of my forward deck, which is also the top of my header tank. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 08:33:21 PDT From: "Jody Wallace" Subject: KR: Left handed Hi Bob, My reasons for concidering a left side-stick are as follows: 1) I'm left handed and I think if a person is going to invest +/- $15,000 for something they should get it the way they want it (personal aesthetics) I don't think a person should cop to anything less than what they like 2) It just seems more natural to me. I too learned to fly in a C-150. I've flown a J-3 Cub and yes you can fly with either hand. My motives for left handed flying are purely a matter of preference. 3) I think it makes more sence. You could build in an armrest for comfort. I want my engine controls in the middle of the panel and low. I once had an opportunity to set in a BD-5. It had a sidestick with push tubes and torque tubes. I can tell you that it was way-cool. An F-16 uses side-sticks albeit fly by wire. Speaking of BD-5's...wouldn't it be cool to have a landing gear system such as they use! My Rand had the right idea with his retract system...just needs some tweeking JW ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:51:48 EDT From: XZOSTD1@aol.com Subject: KR: BRS chute details- Its for sale Subj: BRS Details... Waiting for my Glastar!!!!!! Date: 98-08-01 11:47:30 EDT From: XZOSTD1 The chute is a BRS-5-1050 purchased at last years Sun-N-Fun. It is set up by BRS to fit the KR. The chute mounts behind the seat with 3 kevlar straps, 2 straps run to the main spar at the wing roots with the remaining strap running into the tail and bolting to the tailwheel area. I paid $2995.00 Make a offer. (Be Gentle!) Bill Huntley (I can accept Master Card, Visa, and Discover thru my business) Don't Miss The Packer Game Tonight On ESPN ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 12:58:32 -0500 From: N4DD Subject: Re: KR: Progress update (some dragonfly VW info too) HAshraf@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-07-27 05:57:25 EDT, you write: > > << > > I do them all at the same time, though I have heard of others adding the > gussets later. > > When doing things like the diagonals, it sometimes helps to have the > pressure of the gussets to keep the diagonal in the proper shape. You need > to try the Gusset Clampett technique, I think there is a GIF of it on > Mike's WWW site. > > Basically, you take a little angled chunk of 5/8 wood (cheap wood, not > spruce, smaller in front than back to get in there close.:) and use a > roofing nail with a small spring behind the flat head, and insert that into > the wood chunk. You then apply the flat nail head/Clampett to your gusset, > using moderate compression pressure, but not _too_ light, and mark where > the block ends up. Then you remove the gusset, glue the Clampett down with > 5 minute epoxy, and when you have applied your T88 or other glue, the nail > is pulled back to place the gusset. > > It will squeeze out the excess glue,without leaving the joint too dry. > Another benefit is the help it provides with diagonal placement. But you > have to put the right gusset in first or it will move the diagonal in the > wrong direction. Add wax paper between nail head and the gusset, because > sometimes the glue can seep back in there in the fury of glue-ition. > > > Hope this helps...somebody.. :) >> > > Thanks for the advice > > Haris Ashraf You can also use cloths pins with the clamp side up hot glued to a small block of wood then just slide the free bottom leg up to the gusset you are gluing and push it until the cloths pin is about half open and secure the block with a screw or nail to the table. this will give an even constant pressure. Jean N4DD P.S. If you clean the hot glue off real good your wife will never know that you used them. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 13:19:33 -0500 From: N4DD Subject: Re: KR:O-200 Mount - was Wing skins Jeffrey E Scott wrote: > > Jean, > > Thanks for clearing that up. I bought both mounts, then sold the shorter > one. The RRE O-200 mount fits the Continentals very nicely and leaves > plenty of room for accessories. The only problem I am aware of is that > the lower cross brace is very close to the alternator/generator. There's > less than 1/2" side clearance between my 20 amp generator and the cross > brace. I have heard that the alternator, which is a larger diameter than > the generator, binds up against the cross brace. > > The forward CG shift was ideal for my plane, but it was planned that way. > You can always move ELT, battery and other heavy objects a little aft. > > For those wondering what we are talking about, there are two mounts > available. The shorter one doesn't leave enough room between the engine > and firewall to mount the starter and generator. The other is sold by > Rand Robinson as the KR-2S/O-200 engine mount. In reality, it will also > fit the stock KR-2 firewall and will mount any of the small Continental > engines (A-65 - IO-240). It is 2 1/2 inches longer than the other mount > and leaves plenty of room for the starter and generator, and even enough > room for me to work on my old monster sized Eiseman magnetos. Sure wish > someone would have told me all this before I ended up spending the money > for both. > > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > jscott.pilot@juno.com > See N1213W construction and first flight at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html > http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > > >Jeff > >I just found out that the new RR mount is about 2 1/2" longer than the > >original which was 8 7/8" from firewall to engine mount. The problem is > >that you now have the C.G. shifted that much further forward. Martin > >Roberts is 8 7/8" that was what I was using as a referance. > >Jean > >N4DD > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] In addition I should add that the O-200 is about 50 lbs. heavier than a VW and that the KR-2S has been lengthened 2" forward of the main spar. This will give a net forward movement of 4" which Dan Diehl has said he thinks is a bit much. Plus the cowl mold that I made was using the 8 7/8" mount but I will modify that to fit the longer one when I get through with my conversion. Martin Roberts has designed an adaptor to use an auto 45 Amp. alternator on the O-200. He plans to sell these when hhe finds someone to make them more than 1 at a time ( it clears the diagonal). You can see this on his airplane at the gathering and he may have an extra by then. We are having 3 made up now one for me , one for a guy in Mobile and an extra. Jean N4DD ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 15:32:52 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: Tailspring Someone asked about the height of the tail using the AS&S tailspring and tailwheel that Mike has a picture of on his webpage. I just installed mine and the bottom of the fuselage is 9 3/4" off the ground. Looks perfect and it's got a fair amount of spring too it. Best thing about it........the @#%end is not dragging the ground now. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 19:09:30 -0500 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR:wing skins Tom, Is it the wing stub skins you can't use or the diehl wing skins? I am looking for a set of Diehl wing skins and may want the stub skins also. Rich McCall Junction City, KS Tom Andersen wrote: > Dennis, > I bought a set of Diehl wing skins but haven't used them yet. They seem to be > the way to go for the wings. I have the video I would be willing to loan you but > I can tell you that you will want the skins after seeing the video. It makes the > construction seem fast, which relative to foam wings it is! I can tell you that > you'll have better wings than all the sanding and filling in the world could > produce, and they're lighter, and stronger, and smoother, and did I mention > smoother? I don't think any airplane wing kit out there is faster to build. > The turned-up wingtips are even built into the wing skins. I spent $1500 plus 50 > crating and 160 shipping, plus a gallon of vinyl ester $30 (smelly stuff) and > the video$30. That was just before an impending price increase. > Janette sells the inboard skins for $700 if you really want to buy some time and > effort savings. I can't use them since my stub wings won't be stock. > -Tom > > KenikaS@aol.com wrote: > > > I am on the verge of ordering the Diehl wing skins and would appreciate any > > info from anyone who has used them. Also if anyone has a copy of the > > installation video, I'd really like to take a look at it before making up my > > mind. > > I'm really looking forward to Columbia this weekend, and meeting some of you. > > Thanks, > > Dennis Steed > > Salt Lake City, UT > > KenikaS@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 21:39:16 EDT From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR:wing skins In a message dated 98-08-01 20:10:52 EDT, you write: << Tom, Is it the wing stub skins you can't use or the diehl wing skins? I am looking for a set of Diehl wing skins and may want the stub skins also. Rich McCall Junction City, KS >> You can buy the stubs from RR. Haris ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #132 *****************************