From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, August 03, 1998 6:07 AM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #133 krnet-l-digest Monday, August 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 133 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 21:45:32 -0400 From: "Tom Andersen" Subject: Re: KR:wing skins/ Q for Mark Lougheed Rich, It's the stub wing skins I can't use because my stubs won't be stock. The outboard wing skins will still work fine for me. I strongly urge all KR builders to get the wing skins. The whole kit and project seems different without the huge layups for the wings. It's much more of a wood plane with those skins prebuilt. I plan to taper the center section to follow the taper of the wing outer panels, thus increasing the root rib at the fuse by 12% overall. Mark Lougheed, what's your take on this mod to the wing? I figure it will increase lift at the center section, and the increased chord will want to stall sooner, and the increased rib height at the center section will hold a bit more fuel in the stub tanks. It will definitely look nicer :). - -Tom - -----Original Message----- From: rmccall To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 8:11 PM Subject: Re: KR:wing skins >Tom, > >Is it the wing stub skins you can't use or the diehl wing skins? I am looking for a >set of Diehl wing skins and may want the stub skins also. > >Rich McCall >Junction City, KS > >Tom Andersen wrote: > >> Dennis, >> I bought a set of Diehl wing skins but haven't used them yet. They seem to be >> the way to go for the wings. I have the video I would be willing to loan you but >> I can tell you that you will want the skins after seeing the video. It makes the >> construction seem fast, which relative to foam wings it is! I can tell you that >> you'll have better wings than all the sanding and filling in the world could >> produce, and they're lighter, and stronger, and smoother, and did I mention >> smoother? I don't think any airplane wing kit out there is faster to build. >> The turned-up wingtips are even built into the wing skins. I spent $1500 plus 50 >> crating and 160 shipping, plus a gallon of vinyl ester $30 (smelly stuff) and >> the video$30. That was just before an impending price increase. >> Janette sells the inboard skins for $700 if you really want to buy some time and >> effort savings. I can't use them since my stub wings won't be stock. >> -Tom >> >> KenikaS@aol.com wrote: >> >> > I am on the verge of ordering the Diehl wing skins and would appreciate any >> > info from anyone who has used them. Also if anyone has a copy of the >> > installation video, I'd really like to take a look at it before making up my >> > mind. >> > I'm really looking forward to Columbia this weekend, and meeting some of you. >> > Thanks, >> > Dennis Steed >> > Salt Lake City, UT >> > KenikaS@aol.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 21:47:25 -0400 From: "Tom Andersen" Subject: Re: KR:wing skins Rich, It's the stub wing skins I can't use because my stubs won't be stock. The outboard wing skins will still work fine for me. I strongly urge all KR builders to get the wing skins. The whole kit and project seems different without the huge layups for the wings. It's much more of a wood plane with those skins prebuilt. - -Tom - -----Original Message----- From: rmccall To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 8:11 PM Subject: Re: KR:wing skins >Tom, > >Is it the wing stub skins you can't use or the diehl wing skins? I am looking for a >set of Diehl wing skins and may want the stub skins also. > >Rich McCall >Junction City, KS > >Tom Andersen wrote: > >> Dennis, >> I bought a set of Diehl wing skins but haven't used them yet. They seem to be >> the way to go for the wings. I have the video I would be willing to loan you but >> I can tell you that you will want the skins after seeing the video. It makes the >> construction seem fast, which relative to foam wings it is! I can tell you that >> you'll have better wings than all the sanding and filling in the world could >> produce, and they're lighter, and stronger, and smoother, and did I mention >> smoother? I don't think any airplane wing kit out there is faster to build. >> The turned-up wingtips are even built into the wing skins. I spent $1500 plus 50 >> crating and 160 shipping, plus a gallon of vinyl ester $30 (smelly stuff) and >> the video$30. That was just before an impending price increase. >> Janette sells the inboard skins for $700 if you really want to buy some time and >> effort savings. I can't use them since my stub wings won't be stock. >> -Tom >> >> KenikaS@aol.com wrote: >> >> > I am on the verge of ordering the Diehl wing skins and would appreciate any >> > info from anyone who has used them. Also if anyone has a copy of the >> > installation video, I'd really like to take a look at it before making up my >> > mind. >> > I'm really looking forward to Columbia this weekend, and meeting some of you. >> > Thanks, >> > Dennis Steed >> > Salt Lake City, UT >> > KenikaS@aol.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 21:54:29 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: RE: KR:wing skins/ Q for Mark Lougheed Tom wrote: > I plan to taper the center section to follow the > taper of the wing outer panels, thus increasing the root rib at > the fuse by 12% overall. Tom, Mark Lougheed hasn't been on KRNet for a year or so, but I forwarded your message to him so maybe he'll bite. I don't see anything wrong with your plan at all. Were it not too late, I'd do the bent center spar thing too, so the dihedral break is inside the fuselage as well. I wish I'd thought of it before I built my spars and stub wings. That way it would be simple stuff to extend the flaps from the outboard wing to the stub wing (no funky angle between them), and sanding the outboard wing foam would be far simpler too. mailto:langford@hiwaay.net KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 21:08:04 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR:wing stub skins Making a set of molds for the straight wing stub skins is a pretty simple matter. Very simple mold: Cut out a rib form from plywood for the wing stub with the idea of using the outside of the cutout. Split the cutout in half right down the cord line of the piece of plywood. When you have three of these outside half rib forms built, use two as the end pieces and one to support the middle. Brace the pieces together with some wood slats, and line the inside with smooth formica. You now have either an upper or lower mold for your wing stub skins. Use the other half of the rib forms to build the other half. Wax with carnuba wax and/or paint with mold release and lay up one set of wing stub skins in the same mannor as Dan does to build the outboard skins. Since there is no taper, use the same molds to lay up the other set of wing stub skins. When you are done, sell them to the next KRNet member wanting to build stub skins. :o) FWIW, this is the method I used to build my wing skins. They are solid enough you can walk on them. I didn't think the molds had much value so I hauled them to the land fill. The insides of my wing stub are built with the same 1/4" plyfoam rib technique as the outboard Diehl wings. I used an inboard, and outboard and a middle rib and 5 ribs in the trailing edge to beef it up just in case someone decides to stand on the trailing edge of the wing. If anyone noticed at last years gathering, my bird sits tall enough that it has step pads on the wing stubs. Even with my 250# carcass climbing in and out, I have not broken down the wing skins. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Sat, 01 Aug 1998 19:09:30 -0500 rmccall writes: >Tom, > >Is it the wing stub skins you can't use or the diehl wing skins? I am >looking for a >set of Diehl wing skins and may want the stub skins also. > >Rich McCall >Junction City, KS > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 21:30:10 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR:O-200 Mount - was Wing skins I have to agree that the additional stretch in the front of the fuselage and the extra length of the KR-2S/O-200 engine mount may be a bit too much for some heavy engine installations, but that can usually be compensated by moving some other loads aft. For instance, a smaller header tank used in conjunction with wing tanks to avoid the nose heavy condition on takeoff and the large CG shift during long flights. My -2S uses a stock KR-2 firewall and is not stretched in the front end. The balance of the airplane came out just about perfect. However, if I would have had two more inches behind the firewall, I would have simply moved the battery and master relay to somewhere aft of the firewall and moved the strobe power supply and ELT aft into the baggage compartment. I think it still would have worked out nicely. The cowling I am using came from Dan Diehl and I believe was made from a mold of Marty or Steve Alderman's cowl. I added three inches to the back end of it to get it to fit over the longer mount. I also added a huge air intake onto the bottom so I would have room for a standard air box. I can't say that I am very happy with the way that part of it came out and some day it will probably change. This year I added a couple of bumps onto the cowl to make room for shielded plugs and harness up front. The jury is still out on that modification. If Marty's alternator conversion will be available for a reasonable price, it may pique my interest when overhaul time comes in another year or two. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm >In addition I should add that the O-200 is about 50 lbs. heavier than a >VW and that the KR-2S has been lengthened 2" forward of the main spar. >This will give a net forward movement of 4" which Dan Diehl has said he >thinks is a bit much. Plus the cowl mold that I made was using the 8 >7/8" mount but I will modify that to fit the longer one when I get >through with my conversion. Martin Roberts has designed an adaptor to >use an auto 45 Amp. alternator on the O-200. He plans to sell these when >he finds someone to make them more than 1 at a time ( it clears the >diagonal). You can see this on his airplane at the gathering and he may >have an extra by then. We are having 3 made up now one for me , one for >a guy in Mobile and an extra. >Jean >N4DD > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 09:36:32 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: Vinyl Ester/epoxy I forgot, which one is it, will vinyl ester stick to epoxy or is it the other way around, epoxy will stick to vinyl ester? Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 09:47:12 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: Progress Quick post here on the progress on 616TJ. The week since Columbia has been a good one. Got the 4" tailwheel from Mike's page mounted. Re-hung the engine and hooked everything back up firewall forward after removing the flip-o-matic. Installed all the fittings on the header tank and mounted the flush mount fuel tank filler cap into the tank top/forward deck. Will lay up one more layer of glass today on the inside of the tank top and foam in the dash from the rear of the forward deck over the instrument panel this afternoon. About Weds. or so, I'll close the tank up and hinge pin the whole thing on. The fuel plumbing is already installed so all I have to do is couple everything up. I guess it's about time to add brake fluid because it's looking like engine startup in about two weeks. The wife and youngest son are gone for the week to her parents and the oldest leave for high school football camp today, should be able to get a lot done this week. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:14:29 EDT From: DFCPAC@aol.com Subject: KR: kr-2 for sale kr-2 for sale. just finished rebuilding revmaster 2100 engine. new pistons, cylinders, rings. new bearings and bushings. had approx. 350hrs. t.t. was built in 1985. has warnke 52x52 almost constant speed prop. dual stick controls. has retracts. wings are sanded and ready to be primed. fuselage in good shape. has airworthy certificate. don't have time to finish project. best offer over $5000.00 for further info: e-mail= dfcpac@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 10:43:48 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Alternate Lodging at Perry At 11:45 PM 7/31/98 EDT, you wrote: >For those still looking for a room, a friend of mine just told me that the >Day's Inn still has rooms open. Hope that helps some of you who were planning >on camping out Friday night. I don't have a number, but I know Day's Inn has >an 800 number. > >Cheers, >Rick Junkin >EagleGator@aol.com >St. Charles MO > Thanks Rick, I just made reservations at the Day's Inn thanks to you. The rate I got was just under $45.00/nite. By the way, the 800 number is 1-800/DAYSINN. Bobby & Beverly Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 11:56:04 -0500 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR:wing stub skins Jeff, Thanks, that is a great idea and saves a lot of $$$. Verified my reservation yesterday at Day's Inn. Made them last year, since we knew the location of the fly-in. Rich Jeffrey E Scott wrote: > Making a set of molds for the straight wing stub skins is a pretty simple > matter. > > Very simple mold: Cut out a rib form from plywood for the wing stub with > the idea of using the outside of the cutout. Split the cutout in half > right down the cord line of the piece of plywood. When you have three of > these outside half rib forms built, use two as the end pieces and one to > support the middle. Brace the pieces together with some wood slats, and > line the inside with smooth formica. You now have either an upper or > lower mold for your wing stub skins. Use the other half of the rib forms > to build the other half. Wax with carnuba wax and/or paint with mold > release and lay up one set of wing stub skins in the same mannor as Dan > does to build the outboard skins. Since there is no taper, use the same > molds to lay up the other set of wing stub skins. When you are done, > sell them to the next KRNet member wanting to build stub skins. :o) > > FWIW, this is the method I used to build my wing skins. They are solid > enough you can walk on them. I didn't think the molds had much value so > I hauled them to the land fill. > > The insides of my wing stub are built with the same 1/4" plyfoam rib > technique as the outboard Diehl wings. I used an inboard, and outboard > and a middle rib and 5 ribs in the trailing edge to beef it up just in > case someone decides to stand on the trailing edge of the wing. > > If anyone noticed at last years gathering, my bird sits tall enough that > it has step pads on the wing stubs. Even with my 250# carcass climbing > in and out, I have not broken down the wing skins. > > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > jscott.pilot@juno.com > See N1213W construction and first flight at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html > http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > > On Sat, 01 Aug 1998 19:09:30 -0500 rmccall > writes: > >Tom, > > > >Is it the wing stub skins you can't use or the diehl wing skins? I am > >looking for a > >set of Diehl wing skins and may want the stub skins also. > > > >Rich McCall > >Junction City, KS > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 12:00:46 -0500 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR:wing skins/ Q for Mark Lougheed Thanks Tom. I think I may be in the same boat ... double spar width changes the size of the wing by 2". Stub wing skins probably won't fit. Rich Tom Andersen wrote: > Rich, > It's the stub wing skins I can't use because my stubs won't be stock. The > outboard wing skins will still work fine for me. I strongly urge all KR > builders to get the wing skins. The whole kit and project seems different > without the huge layups for the wings. It's much more of a wood plane with > those skins prebuilt. I plan to taper the center section to follow the > taper of the wing outer panels, thus increasing the root rib at the fuse by > 12% overall. > Mark Lougheed, what's your take on this mod to the wing? I figure it will > increase lift at the center section, and the increased chord will want to > stall sooner, and the increased rib height at the center section will hold a > bit more fuel in the stub tanks. It will definitely look nicer :). > -Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: rmccall > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 8:11 PM > Subject: Re: KR:wing skins > > >Tom, > > > >Is it the wing stub skins you can't use or the diehl wing skins? I am > looking for a > >set of Diehl wing skins and may want the stub skins also. > > > >Rich McCall > >Junction City, KS > > > >Tom Andersen wrote: > > > >> Dennis, > >> I bought a set of Diehl wing skins but haven't used them yet. They seem > to be > >> the way to go for the wings. I have the video I would be willing to loan > you but > >> I can tell you that you will want the skins after seeing the video. It > makes the > >> construction seem fast, which relative to foam wings it is! I can tell > you that > >> you'll have better wings than all the sanding and filling in the world > could > >> produce, and they're lighter, and stronger, and smoother, and did I > mention > >> smoother? I don't think any airplane wing kit out there is faster to > build. > >> The turned-up wingtips are even built into the wing skins. I spent $1500 > plus 50 > >> crating and 160 shipping, plus a gallon of vinyl ester $30 (smelly > stuff) and > >> the video$30. That was just before an impending price increase. > >> Janette sells the inboard skins for $700 if you really want to buy some > time and > >> effort savings. I can't use them since my stub wings won't be stock. > >> -Tom > >> > >> KenikaS@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> > I am on the verge of ordering the Diehl wing skins and would appreciate > any > >> > info from anyone who has used them. Also if anyone has a copy of the > >> > installation video, I'd really like to take a look at it before making > up my > >> > mind. > >> > I'm really looking forward to Columbia this weekend, and meeting some > of you. > >> > Thanks, > >> > Dennis Steed > >> > Salt Lake City, UT > >> > KenikaS@aol.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 12:23:34 -0500 From: "Keith" Subject: KR: Perry ??? I've looked through all the Email and can't find the Date - When dates are we all meeting at Perry? - Which airport? I'm from OKC,OK so I don't want to miss it! ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 15:33:31 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: VW Engines At 02:31 PM 8/2/98 -0700, you wrote: You might save some big $$$ by rebuilding... but I'd recommend buying a longblockkit from Great Planes. >>>> I don't know if rebuilding an old VW case is that great of an idea. I think the older cases had more magnesium in them and were a bit softer. The new ones you get from Steve are mostly aluminum I think (correct me if I am wrong Steve). Not only that you could be building up a VW case that was meant to produce only 45 or 50 hp and trying to extract 70hp! I think you are MUCH better off building your motor from ALL brand new parts. Otherwise like my hanger mates, you will be sorry at a later date. You may think you are saving $$$ but trust me you will spend it eventually, possibly more than what a new long block kit would have cost in the first place. Also don't forget, these are airplanes we are talking about here, build yourself a good engine, don't use an engine out of your kids Baja Bug! The NTSB reports on VWs is long enough already. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:41:04 EDT From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Perry ??? In a message dated 98-08-02 13:26:30 EDT, you write: << I've looked through all the Email and can't find the Date - When dates are we all meeting at Perry? - Which airport? I'm from OKC,OK so I don't want to miss it! >> The dates for the Gathering are 18-20 September, with the majority of the activity to be on Saturday the 19th. Friday is an informal "arrival day" with a BBQ at the airport Friday night, and Sunday is the departure day with no events scheduled. The banquet went fairly late Saturday night last year, just as a head's up. It looks like the Day's Inn is the alternate residence of choice, 1-800-DAYSINN (Thanks Bobby Muse!). Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:57:56 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: VW Engines In a message dated 98-08-02 18:35:28 EDT, you write: << I don't know if rebuilding an old VW case is that great of an idea. >> It's not!!! Know what you are getting. Sure, you can rebuild and old case and line bore it but you still may have a case that has a 100,000 road mile on it and may just put you back onto a road in the not too distant future. PS. Mike, did you end up with those gear legs? I promised them out at Columbia only to be humbly rejected. I ended up giving them away because I didn't want to haul them back home. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 18:47:52 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Perry ??? >It looks like the Day's Inn is the alternate residence of choice, >1-800-DAYSINN (Thanks Bobby Muse!). > You folks may wish to reconsider staying at the Days Inn. I made reservations there on Saturday. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:20:55 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: RE: KR: VW Engines > I don't know if rebuilding an old VW case is that great of an idea. I think > the older cases had more magnesium in them and were a bit softer. It is true that it would be nice if you could start with a new VW case and all new other VW parts. The problem is that most (if not all) of the "new" VW parts are being imported from Brazil and Mexico, and the quality just isn't comparable to the German stuff. I'd personally shop for some of the later German made cases (which I believe have been out of production for some time now). I've bought a lot of VW parts over the years, and I'll have to say that you can usually tell the difference in quality just by looking at the machine work. I've been told that the "AS42" designation on the recent cases from South of the border doesn't mean a thing to the folks pouring the alloy into the molds. They pour just about anything in there, so you never know what you're getting. That may be "foreigner bashing", or it may be the truth, but I've seen too many Brazilian parts that were grossly, obviously, done wrong. For example, a new Brazillian rear drum on the Ghia that was turned off center by almost 4 mm from the bearing surface. You wouldn't believe how much the rear end jumped up and down when I put on brakes. That's pretty flagrant quality problems, and I personally believe it goes for "new" South American parts in general. I just don't think third world workers can possibly have the appreciation for stuff like metallurgy and heat treatment that the Germans have always had. I don't mean to start any "Arian" wars, that's just my opinion, and no amount of flaming is likely to change it. My answer to this problem is start with the Type 4, which was only made in Germany and was indeed an aluminum alloy rather than magnesium (not to mention more "meat" where it counts). Of course, the Germans screwed the valve seats up on that engine, so what do I know? mailto:langford@hiwaay.net KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:40:49 -0500 From: N4DD Subject: Re: KR: VW Engines Ross Youngblood wrote: > > Brewboss@aol.com wrote: > > > I am begining to think about winter work for my KR-2S. At this point I am > > pretty sure that I want to go with the VW engine. My question to all of those > > who have gone that route and are further along what do you think is the best > > route, should I try to find a tired old vw and rebuild it or just call great > > planes and have them send me a kit? Is there any great monetary savings in > > rebuilding? > > > > You might save some big $$$ by rebuilding... but I'd recommend buying a > longblockkit from Great Planes. Or at the vary least, look at his catalog and > consider buying > the machine work on a case for the Force-1 Hub and bearing. His catalog is $4.00 > and it's worth it. > > You can find some books in the ACS and Wicks catalogs on rebuilding a VW. I would > recommend > Rex Taylors book as it has serial #'s of engine cases if you plan to scrounge > around. However you > might be best to buy new parts. I bought a used engine for $125.00 but the case > was too far gone for > align boring 1 oversize. The crank and cam looked good, but I was going to buy a > different grind cam > anyway, and the movers left everything in Arizona when I moved to Oregon... so I > was out $125.00 > > My Great Planes 1835cc sounds great, now that I fixed my ignition problem with the > Compu-Fire! > > -- Regards > Ross > > > Next question, where can I find a book on rebuilding and adapting vw to the > > KR? I would second the purchase of a new case from GPAS. There is an aparent flaw in the VW case that shows up at about 1000 hours. That is that every 2180 that i have seen developes a crack in front of the distributor boss. Martin Roberts tried thru bolting the case as the O-200 and welding a plate to strengthing the area with no avail.If you use a used case you don't know how close you are to replacing it. The good news is that it will probibly not cause a catristrophic failure. I flew mine 25 hours after i noticed it starting to crack. Thats when I began looking for an O-200. Jean N4DD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:14:33 -0400 (EDT) From: jeroffey@tir.com (jeroffey) Subject: KR: Oshkosh Update Just got back from Oshkosh. Great place for Warbird Fans; no place for homebuilders unless your in the very wellheeled group. Had to be the HOTTEST DUSTIEST DRYEST year I have ever been exposed to yet. Saw three KRS, one older trike and Dave Christansons' beautiful example and one in the Fly Market on a trailer (very sad) called Tennesee Terror. Did See the Lionheart fly and of course the Concord, can't get enough of that, and more warbirds than anyone knew existed. Nice two hour flights both ways. Filed IFR and was handed to the tower on a one mile final to runwy 27 straight in, the only way to go. Guess I'll have to come to Perry to see KR's. John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 22:52:35 -0700 From: Darrin West Subject: KR: [Fwd: KR-1B] Message-ID: <35C52A4B.3831@rose.net> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:11:07 -0700 From: Darrin West Reply-To: dwest@rose.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: KR-1B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For all who are interested, I have posted some info on my web page on the KR-1B I recieved from RR. I'll be posting better pictures of my project when I can find the time. Darrin mailto:dwest@rose.net http://geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/2032/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 22:15:05 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: VW Engines At 03:33 PM 8/2/98 -0700, you wrote: >The >NTSB reports on VWs is long enough already. >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims > Micheal, Please.... give it up. Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:33:17 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: VW Engines At 10:15 PM 8/2/98 -0500, you wrote: >>The NTSB reports on VWs is long enough already. >> > >Micheal, Please.... give it up. > Actually I didn't mean that as a slam, because one entry in the NTSB reports is too many in my book! It was just another way to say "don't become a statistic" :o) On the Brazilian made parts, I have seen a few VW parts from Brazil and they looked great to me. All the CIMA forged pistons for example look fine! Personally I would rather use a Brazilian case made in 1998 over anything made in the 60s regardless of origin. Both my Brazilian/Mexican made VWs are great and the fit and finish is as good as any of the German VWs I have owned in the past. Kinda funny how we North Americans turn up our noses at Brazil, Mexico, China , etc. when the best looking forged crank I have ever laid eyes on is the Revmaster unit from China. Hey don't get me wrong I still think the Germans build the best road cars and I always will, heck if I wasn't building this silly airplane I would be sporting a BMW M3 or a Audi A4 turbo Quattro. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:44:34 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Perry ??? Man there's gonna be a bunch of us at the Days Inn. Bobby and I will have to keep track so we'll know who to mooch rides to the airport with. :o) Or are you gonna be flying Ron? Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Sun, 02 Aug 1998 18:47:52 -0600 Ron Lee writes: > >>It looks like the Day's Inn is the alternate residence of choice, >>1-800-DAYSINN (Thanks Bobby Muse!). >> > >You folks may wish to reconsider staying at the Days Inn. I made >reservations there on Saturday. > >Ron Lee > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:51:13 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: N541RY You had better show this year Ross. You know everyone will be carrying an extra buck or two just to hand over to you in person for your work with the KRNet. No last minute cancellation this year. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Sun, 02 Aug 1998 14:50:38 -0700 Ross Youngblood writes: >Wow time flies.... it's August already? > >I just got the dates for Perry, I will try to figure out if I can afford to do this >this year or not. I really want to be there, if only to see a few KR's again. > >(There were NO KR's at EAA Arlington this year... but about 30 RV's ). > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 00:18:07 -0400 From: mike cochran Subject: Re: KR: VW Engines I am replacing the pistons in a 1968 (74 X 82). The engine was balanced with a scat counter weighted crankshaft. The new pistons are forged and the old one are cast. The new pistons are about 50gms lighter. I have balanced the new pistons to all be equal. Do I have to get the crankshaft rebalanced. The crankshaft was purchased and balanced the first time by GPAS. Thanks Mike Cochran ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:13:47 EDT From: KenikaS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Oshkosh Update In a message dated 98-07-31 10:25:50 EDT, you write: << Jeanette did assure me that she would maintain a presence at Sun 'n Fun and of course her favorite event is still the Gathering. Guys, I think that we should encourage Jeanette whenever we can. Give her a call and make sure you see her whenever she's at your favorite show. You may not always agree with her or the way she's doing things, but she's kept our dream alive. Descending Soapbox Now, Video Bob >> Bob, I couldn't agree more. With out Jeanette we would all be having to spend a heck of a lot more to get anywhere near the performance. We all need to support RR as much as we can. Dennis Steed KenikaS@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 05:24:16 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: VW Site-? Hello, Netters Anybody know what happened to the VW website www.type2.com that we have linked on our KRNet.org page? The one with Bob Hoover's VW engine 'sermons'? My browser can't find the site. Thanks Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 05:40:06 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Carbon Fiber Why are you doing that? are you planning on standing on it? Rich >Before I order some carbon fiber, is there anything I need to be aware about >using the stufff? I'm thinking of using it to lay up one layer on top of my >forward deck, which is also the top of my header tank. > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:00:35 -0500 From: " Mike Filbrandt" Subject: KR: Re: Oshkosh Update John, I know what you mean. I was there looking for a few KR's to look at = also. I did see one other KR-2 that was just a row or two further down = from the tri-gear model. Was owned by a gent named Greg. Plane was very = well done. I guess I also will have to go to Perry to see a few KR's. Did get a chance to meet Steve Bennett & take a look at the unit he's = working on to put the prop on a VW on the rear of the engine. Really = looks like the answer to life for those of us w/ VW motors. Blue Skies, Mike KR-1 Sparta, Wi. redbaronflyrs@centuryinter.net - -----Original Message----- From: jeroffey To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 9:17 PM Subject: KR: Oshkosh Update >Just got back from Oshkosh. Great place for Warbird Fans; no place for >homebuilders unless your in the very wellheeled group. >Had to be the HOTTEST DUSTIEST DRYEST year I have ever been exposed to = yet. >Saw three KRS, one older trike and Dave Christansons' beautiful example = and >one in the Fly Market on a trailer (very sad) called Tennesee Terror. >Did See the Lionheart fly and of course the Concord, can't get enough = of >that, and more warbirds than anyone knew existed. >Nice two hour flights both ways. Filed IFR and was handed to the tower = on a >one mile final to runwy 27 straight in, the only way to go. >Guess I'll have to come to Perry to see KR's. >John Roffey >jeroffey@tir.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 06:00:11 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: VW Engines GCX in California also sells new cases and complete new engines starting at about $800. might be a good starting point for upgrading instead of buying a junker with history. RP >You might save some big $$$ by rebuilding... but I'd recommend buying a >longblockkit from Great Planes. Or at the vary least, look at his catalog and >consider buying >the machine work on a case for the Force-1 Hub and bearing. His catalog is $4.00 >and it's worth it. > >You can find some books in the ACS and Wicks catalogs on rebuilding a VW. I would >recommend >Rex Taylors book as it has serial #'s of engine cases if you plan to scrounge >around. However you >might be best to buy new parts. I bought a used engine for $125.00 but the case >was too far gone for >align boring 1 oversize. The crank and cam looked good, but I was going to buy a >different grind cam >anyway, and the movers left everything in Arizona when I moved to Oregon... so I >was out $125.00 > >My Great Planes 1835cc sounds great, now that I fixed my ignition problem with the >Compu-Fire! > > -- Regards > Ross > >> Next question, where can I find a book on rebuilding and adapting vw to the >> KR? > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 06:07:28 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: VW Engines >PS. Mike, did you end up with those gear legs? I promised them out at >Columbia only to be humbly rejected. I ended up giving them away because I >didn't want to haul them back home. They should be in the mail this week. 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