From: owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 6:15 PM To: krnet-l-digest@teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #138 krnet-l-digest Wednesday, August 19 1998 Volume 02 : Number 138 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:14:07 -0500 From: "Bob Sauer" Subject: KR: Corvair engines/William Wynne edwards@smithsys.net Has anyone out there done a corvair conversion using the manual put out by William Wynne of Port Orange, FL. ???? I have the manual and it seems pretty straight forward, getting 110HP out of a 215 lb. engine??? I have a quote from a pilot/engine builder to do the job for about $2,000 including the engine per specs from the manual. Let's hear from you guys, I am ready to do something and just don't like VW's or carrying a cooling system for Soob. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:54:33 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: (and engines) In a message dated 98-08-17 09:41:59 EDT, you write: << Dang Mike those are some serious looking big @#$ parts. After working on my > little "poodle" of an engine, I don't know if I've got any wrenches big > enough. > Looks like you are keeping up the practice of using K-9 names for our planes. My Sky Terrier, Lougheed's Star Pup and now your Aero Poodle :-) Steve, the "poodle" is ala Mike Mims idea, since my little VW is not the big dog on the block. OH, almost forgot :-)) it started up yesterday, I'll post some preliminary numbers here a little later. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:34:07 -0400 From: "R.W. Moore" Subject: Re: KR: KR-2S Center Section Spar Details I do not know how I got on the KR net, however I am glad I did. How would I get my "MISSING LINK" vacuum pump drive system for Volkswagen Airplanes engines, listed on the net. Do you charge? R. W. Moore Inventor. - ---------- > From: Ross Youngblood > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: KR-2S Center Section Spar Details > Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 1:42 AM > > Robert Covington wrote: > > > >I'm about to build my center section spars and after looking over the > > >manual and drawings am wondering if there were any updates that I > > >missed. It seems to me that the center section is the same as the KR-2. > > >However some people have used birch and some mahogany. Was that just > > >personal preference? (Birch being stronger but heavier) > > > > > >Any other details that I'm missing? > > > > >Richard E. Parker > > > > Jeanette Rand has been advising builders to use Birch for the spars for > > quite a while for the strength gains. The orientation is important. The > > grain needs to be running up and down relative to the spars length, that > > is, the spar is E-W and the plywood grain goes N-S. > > > > Robert Covington > > Whoops... This is news to me. The orientation is the same as the plans > for either. I wonder if this is a KR2-S suppliment or if the more recent > plans for the KR-2 specify Birch. (My plans were purchased in '88). > > -- Ross > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:39:20 -0400 From: "R.W. Moore" Subject: Re: KR: (and engines) Does any one have a GOOD 304 RAYAY turbo for sale? How much? R. W. Moore Inventor - ---------- > From: KR2616TJ@aol.com > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: (and engines) > Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 12:54 PM > > In a message dated 98-08-17 09:41:59 EDT, you write: > > << Dang Mike those are some serious looking big @#$ parts. After working on > my > > little "poodle" of an engine, I don't know if I've got any wrenches big > > enough. > > > Looks like you are keeping up the practice of using K-9 names for our > planes. My Sky Terrier, Lougheed's Star Pup and now your Aero Poodle :-) > > Steve, the "poodle" is ala Mike Mims idea, since my little VW is not the big > dog on the block. > OH, almost forgot :-)) it started up yesterday, I'll post some preliminary > numbers here a little later. > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:48:36 -0500 From: Michael Misiolek Subject: KR: Re: FOR SALE KR-1 FOR SALE - Rand Robinson KR-1, 80% complete, photo log, 1835 Hapi engine, Dan Diehl starter/electrical system, Dan Diehl wings, fixed gear, Cleveland disk brakes, instrument package and more $2500 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:16:22 -0500 From: Paul Eberhardt Subject: KR: Back on the list Hello, all - I'm back. My project is a -2s in the boat-with-spars stage. I have diehl gear (TD) and a turbo ea-81. I'm working on the tail and controls right now. I just bought a C-152 because I got my license, and the kr is a few years from done. It really takes the pressure off building (also the budget). So far I'm glad I bought it, but I'm sure I'll be ready for the kr's speed in no time. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:22:42 -0500 From: Paul Eberhardt Subject: Re: KR: Back on the list Oh yeah - I'm a mechanical engineer living just north of Detroit, MI. I'd love to see people's projects, if you're not too far away. Paul Eberhardt wrote: > > Hello, all - I'm back. > > My project is a -2s in the boat-with-spars stage. I have diehl gear > (TD) and a turbo ea-81. I'm working on the tail and controls right now. > > I just bought a C-152 because I got my license, and the kr is a few > years from done. It really takes the pressure off building (also the > budget). So far I'm glad I bought it, but I'm sure I'll be ready for > the kr's speed in no time. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:40:34 -0500 From: "bbland" Subject: KR: All Perry Attendees This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01BDC9FD.C1AA1520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All you KR nuts that will be attending Perry please e-mail me privately = with the following information: FName LName Address City State Zip Email Phone number KR Pilot flying in to event? (for color coded badge) I am trying to get a list so that I can get it to Randy Stein. He has volunteered once again to print up badges for all the atendees. I need = this information at least 10 days prior to the Gathering. If you know of = someone that will definitely be attending but is not on KRNet please forward = this message to them. 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- ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01BDC9FD.C1AA1520-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:50:33 EDT From: Afzoomer@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Re: FOR SALE KR-1 any picture available? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:31:25 EDT From: WARRONFLYS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Corvair engines/William Wynne Willam, doing the soob right you will have very few problems, doing it wrong and you can become a road surveyor. same goes for the vw,0-200 whatever. S. MAKISH in fla has been flying soobs for more than 400 plus hours no heating or radiator problems or anything else as a matter of fact. He couldn't say taht about his old porche. but that makes the world go round. good luck with the corvair. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:38:04 EDT From: WARRONFLYS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Back on the list Good luck with your s .mine has taken 4.5 years with diehl tri soob ea81 strobes speed brakes val com. transponder. now my wife has to loose 135 lbs and she only weighs 132,. keep it light. good luck. Warron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:25:39 -0500 From: N4DD Subject: Re: KR: Corvair engines/William Wynne Bob Sauer wrote: > > edwards@smithsys.net > Has anyone out there done a corvair conversion using the manual put out by > William Wynne of Port Orange, FL. ???? I have the manual and it seems > pretty straight forward, getting 110HP out of a 215 lb. engine??? I have a > quote from a pilot/engine builder to do the job for about $2,000 including > the engine per specs from the manual. Let's hear from you guys, I am > ready to do something and just don't like VW's or carrying a cooling system > for Soob. > > Bob There is a guy that i work with that put one on a Davis DA-2. I don't know the particulars except early on he had problems finding the right prop. I'll find out more if you want. Jean N4DD ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:32:16 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: Go for throttle up!!! It spits, it coughs, heh it purrs WOO HOO. Finally after 3 1/2 years KR2 N616TJ sprang too life yesterday afternoon. With fire extinguisher in the hands of a really trusting friend I made sure everything was turned off (CD player) and primed the poodle a couple of times. I kinda felt like Mark Langford as it only took six or seven props and it sprang too life....................scarred the hell out of me. I had gone to to the VW bible page and used Ricks ideas from his test page and made myself up a sch. of things I wanted to watch and do. I knew if I didn't, all I would do would be sit there and grin (I did that anyway). Well the numbers are static RPM with Sterba 54X46 prop 3400, idle 650, oil temp max seen 200, oil pressure stayed in the 40 to 80 range. Cylinder head temps were 355 and exhaust gas 1075. I didn't try and lean it out too much as I just breaking it in so I kept it somewhat rich. I believe I can crank it up and really make this sucker spin. Man, the neighbors have thought forever that I've totally lost my mind before this but you talking about a crowd, course they may have thought I was burning the thing up at first with the engine burning all the lube inside the engine.......left quite a smoke screen at first. I didn't really contimplate not doing it but I'm glad I tied the thing down, it would have been something to try and hold the thing with brakes............the power it pretty impressive. Oh, my Overall STC nippled intake secondary (in my case primary) vacumm system got the artificial horizon and DG spinning....................................you talking about doing some "driveway flying" :-)) Mark, those bubbles we talked about, didn't seem to rear their heads :-)). I checked the compression immediatey upon shutdown and all cylinders were within the 5 lb recommended spead. After cooling down (me and the engine) I checked all "tappet" clearances everything was right there. BBBBBIIIIIGGGGG Day Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 05:42:52 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: RE: KR: Piano hinge material >kinda simple minded, I donned a tool belt and several hammers to bring my >weight up to 160 lbs so I could get a nice round number of 40 lbs.... I wish I had that problem of having to add weight to get up to 160lbs. Richard E. Parker Jaffrey, NH richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 06:50:46 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Engine weight- dead horse Okay, so it's a dead horse. I went back to the Nov. '96 KROnline Newsletter for the listed engine weights; true, they are approximate. So how does Mike's O-290 look on the list: Great Plains VW 2600cc 96 HP 190 lb. Stratus Subaru EA-81 100 HP 205 lb.+ Cont. C-85 85 HP 207 lb. Cont. O-200-B 100 HP 220 lb. O-290-D2C 140 HP 263 lb. It's a big healthy engine, but the O-290 has the lowest lbs. per HP than any of them, if you use these ratings. Obviously, the Stratus weight doesn't include the water-side stuff, so it's way off. We can have a bonfire on the ramp at Chino with the broken pieces of Mike's firewall when he puts the coals to the O-290 the first time and it pulls out the whole front end ;o) Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 06:57:28 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: hinge material Somebody stop me from asking dumb questions, OK? I understand the logic in using the extruded hinges over the open ones (they obviously can't open), but it did seem to me that it would take a great deal of force to open the 'cheapsters' anyway. Are we concerned about any little tiny bit of play maybe introducing flutter, or flutter opening up the cheap hinges, or -?? To me, even without specific strength tests, it seems like it would take so large a force to open the hinge that you would already be in destruct mode by that time. Everybody says not to use the cheap-o hinges for control surfaces, but it seems to be another case of overcautious overkill with no basis in calculated strength. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:53:18 EDT From: Afzoomer@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Engine weight- dead horse Janes 1972-73 lists the 0-290 dry weight as 235lbs. Any idea where the discrepancy is? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:06:22 -0500 From: Michael Misiolek Subject: Re: KR: Re: FOR SALE KR-1 Afzoomer@aol.com wrote: > > any picture available? Lots of pictures in photo log. How do I get them out there without going crazy sending them out everywhere? I've been working on this thing for eight years. I'd love to keep it, but I lost a lot of friends in X-planes. If I finish it, I'll want to fly it. With my luck I'll screw myself into the ground too. I'm selling as is as a parts plane, but everything is there. Myka ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:03:15 -0500 From: "ronald.freiberger" Subject: KR: RE: hinge material Oscar, you're right about the hinges. Extruded hinges are normally used in pieces, and are very convenient to cut to any size you want. The disadvantage of using pieces would be aileron flutter if the unsupported length isn't stiff enough. So, if we follow the thread about "binding", and want to go to two hinges (three will bind), then the aileron structure needs to be re-evaluated. (Of course, it might be okay?). My plan is to use cheap hinges, installed as per plans Ron Freiberger, in Kokomo, to Fort Myers soon. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-krnet-l@teleport.com [mailto:owner-krnet-l@teleport.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 8:57 AM To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: KR: hinge material Somebody stop me from asking dumb questions, OK? I understand the logic in using the extruded hinges over the open ones (they obviously can't open), but it did seem to me that it would take a great deal of force to open the 'cheapsters' anyway. Are we concerned about any little tiny bit of play maybe introducing flutter, or flutter opening up the cheap hinges, or -?? To me, even without specific strength tests, it seems like it would take so large a force to open the hinge that you would already be in destruct mode by that time. Everybody says not to use the cheap-o hinges for control surfaces, but it seems to be another case of overcautious overkill with no basis in calculated strength. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:30:19 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Engine weight- dead horse Afzoomer@aol.com wrote: > > Janes 1972-73 lists the 0-290 dry weight as 235lbs. Any idea where the > discrepancy is? Thats without starter, alternator and ring gear. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:32:49 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: RE: hinge material ronald.freiberger wrote: > So, if we follow the thread about "binding", and want to go to two hinges (three will bind), >>>> Why would three bind? I think (could be wrong) three is the number of hinges used on low wing Pipers and Cessnas. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:45:28 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Engine weight- dead horse Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > Okay, so it's a dead horse. I went back to the Nov. '96 KROnline > Newsletter for the listed engine weights; true, they are approximate. > So how does Mike's O-290 look on the list: > > Great Plains VW 2600cc 96 HP 190 lb. > Stratus Subaru EA-81 100 HP 205 lb.+ > Cont. C-85 85 HP 207 lb. > Cont. O-200-B 100 HP 220 lb. > O-290-D2C 140 HP 263 lb. > > It's a big healthy engine, but the O-290 has the lowest lbs. per HP than any of them, if you use these ratings. Obviously, the Stratus weight doesn't include the water-side stuff, so it's way off. > Obviously the Stratus weight doesn't include the engine! :o) Seriously I have personally seen (with my own eyes mind you) two EA-81 on the scales and they weighed 252 and 258 pounds! This is with a redrive system, carbs, and Subaru distributor (no coolant). I don't know what Stratus does to get his weight down to 200 pounds. I think its done with mirrors! :o) The 263 pound weight you have listed for the 290 is with the old Lycoming Starter, carb, and alternator. With a light weight alternator, starter, and an Ellison that weight comes down to about 245. With out starter, ringgear , ad alternator its around 230. I still plan to hand prop so hopefully I can keep the weight down to 230 or less. That makes the HP per pound ratio even better. maybe to good? :o) - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:28:11 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Engine weight- dead horse Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > Okay, so it's a dead horse. I went back to the Nov. '96 KROnline > Newsletter for the listed engine weights; true, they are approximate. > So how does Mike's O-290 look on the list: > > Great Plains VW 2600cc 96 HP 190 lb. > Stratus Subaru EA-81 100 HP 205 lb.+ > Cont. C-85 85 HP 207 lb. > Cont. O-200-B 100 HP 220 lb. > O-290-D2C 140 HP 263 lb. > > It's a big healthy engine, but the O-290 has the lowest lbs. per HP than any of them, if you use these ratings. Obviously, the Stratus weight doesn't include the water-side stuff, so it's way off. > Obviously the Stratus weight doesn't include the engine! :o) Seriously I have personally seen (with my own eyes mind you) two EA-81 on the scales and they weighed 252 and 258 pounds! This is with a redrive system, carbs, and Subaru distributor (no coolant). I don't know what Stratus does to get his weight down to 200 pounds. I think its done with mirrors! :o) The 263 pound weight you have listed for the 290 is with the old Lycoming Starter, carb, and alternator. With a light weight alternator, starter, and an Ellison that weight comes down to about 245. With out starter, ringgear , ad alternator its around 230. I still plan to hand prop so hopefully I can keep the weight down to 230 or less. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:05:39 EDT From: WARRONFLYS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Engine weight- dead horse Steve Makish's soob all up ,oil water rad.ign. carbs ,weighed in at 225Lbs with 105 hp. thats why my kr2s has a soob. static test so far on a 52X60 warnike almost constant speed prop engine rpm 5300 nsi drive 1.69X1 ratio.3130 prop speed, single carb dual ign. cd 2 coils with splitter. oil temp and water in the green mixture right on the money, use a o2 sensor and mixture gauge. of course static testing is only preliminary.let you know further test data. air temp was in the mid 90"s ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:05:27 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Engine weight- dead horse WARRONFLYS@aol.com wrote: > > Steve Makish's soob all up ,oil water rad.ign. carbs ,weighed in at 225Lbs with 105 hp. thats why my kr2s has a soob. >>>> Do you have any idea what Steve is getting for cruise and or top speed? Is he using an EA81? How much engine work did he do to get 105 hp? - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:17:16 EDT From: WARRONFLYS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Engine weight- dead horse He's only done a mild cam on the jap version. top speed was 183. but he limits rpm to only 5200 .cruise is in the 170's. i have more work in my engine then steve .balanced everything one size over pistons cc heads cam shaved heads 30 ths single carb . we are working with a company that claims 800 rpm on existing engine with their manifold. rfi backs the claim up .steve is in the process of setting it up. his engine uses nsi drive 1.63 ratio prince p tip prop 52x66 it wails. i think and know he could run the soob tighter but after the three cranks on his porche i think he is a little leary.let you know how it works out. bye the way his kr2 weighs 808 empty. he is also doing some mods to loose the baby fat. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:26:24 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Engine weight- dead horse WARRONFLYS@aol.com wrote: > > He's only done a mild cam on the jap version. top speed was 183. but he limits > rpm to only 5200 .cruise is in the 170's. Thats pretty darn good, as a matter of fact that has to be the best Subaru performance I have heard of. Good job! > i think and know he could run the soob tighter but after > the three cranks on his porche i think he is a little leary.let you know how it works out. >> I remember when he broke those cranks. Sounds like he still has a bad taste in his mouth from the VWs! :o) - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:50:57 EDT From: WARRONFLYS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Engine weight- dead horse He uses the last forged crank as a door stop. he feels the soob is more bullet proof then his old vw . has not had a bit of trouble with the engine since new.problem with steve and not really a problem is he likes to go fast. if i was cruisin the 170"s i wuoldn't want to change a thing .he loves to tinker. saves me a ton of bucks though. what he works out the bugs to, i reap the savings. we already worked out a mount for the engines.and now with him experimenting with the intake manifold we i can see my bank account being saved from tossitis(definition: through money out the window) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:12:15 -0500 From: "Jonathan D. Finley" Subject: RE: KR: Engine weight- dead horse > Obviously the Stratus weight doesn't include the engine! :o) Seriously > I have personally seen (with my own eyes mind you) two EA-81 on the > scales and they weighed 252 and 258 pounds! This is with a redrive > system, carbs, and Subaru distributor (no coolant). I don't know what > Stratus does to get his weight down to 200 pounds. I think its done > with mirrors! :o) The bigger Subarus (EJ-22, etc) do weigh a considerable amount. The EA-81 direct drive with EVERYTHING, including coolant, is between 205 and 210 lbs. This is measured from a flying example. I have mine about ready but have not weighed it yet so cannot claim that this is my measurement. It really is a very light engine (relatively speaking). Jon Finley jdf@gksys.com N90MG Q2 - Subaru EA-81 DDT N54JF Q1 - 1835cc VW Bloomington, MN http://www.gksys.com/qba/q-page.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:19:51 -0400 From: "Tom Andersen" Subject: Re: KR: Engine weight- dead horse Hi Jon, I think without starter and with a mini alternator I should be able to get my DDTS down to 190lbs ALL UP. That's downright LIGHT for a 95-100hp 4-stroke turbo'd engine, and the fuel consumption is very low as well, around 3.8 gph at cruise I think Roger mentioned? I'm thinking it'll cost 5K for enough parts for a bolt-together? There's no expensive PSRU, the turbochargers can be obtained for $500 from Turbo City, and Bud Clarke offers his stainless exhaust and steel manifold separately, so I don't think I'll have to weld more than the motor mount. I am going to bite the $830 bullet and get the Ellison EFS-3 though, I don't like auto carburetors, or aero carburetors for that matter. - -Tom - -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan D. Finley To: 'krnet-l@teleport.com' Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 5:36 PM Subject: RE: KR: Engine weight- dead horse >> Obviously the Stratus weight doesn't include the engine! :o) Seriously >> I have personally seen (with my own eyes mind you) two EA-81 on the >> scales and they weighed 252 and 258 pounds! This is with a redrive >> system, carbs, and Subaru distributor (no coolant). I don't know what >> Stratus does to get his weight down to 200 pounds. I think its done >> with mirrors! :o) > >The bigger Subarus (EJ-22, etc) do weigh a considerable amount. The EA-81 >direct drive with EVERYTHING, including coolant, is between 205 and 210 >lbs. This is measured from a flying example. I have mine about ready but >have not weighed it yet so cannot claim that this is my measurement. It >really is a very light engine (relatively speaking). > >Jon Finley jdf@gksys.com >N90MG Q2 - Subaru EA-81 DDT >N54JF Q1 - 1835cc VW >Bloomington, MN >http://www.gksys.com/qba/q-page.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:35:07 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Engine weight- dead horse Jonathan D. Finley wrote: <<<>>> Looking at your pics I see how you got the weight down. The units I have seen retain the stock intake system along with some other heavy looking stock items. This added to a 25 pound redrive and your right at 250. Your engine is looking fantastic by the way! Keep us posted. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:30:15 -0500 From: "Bruce Pea" Subject: KR: Introduction Hello everyone, My name is Bruce Pea and this is my first post to the list. I live in Champaign, IL (east-central IL, approx. two hundred miles due south of Chicago) with my wife and four children. I've been lurking on the list for several days and have enjoyed the conversations and the high quality of information everyone shares. I bought plans for a KR2 several years ago and never had the chance to get started. I just received a new set of updated plans for the KR2S that I hope to begin serious work on in the very near future. I sure would be happy to hear from any other KR builder in central IL/IN. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:54:38 -0700 From: "Tom Kilgore" Subject: KR:Web Page This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BDCAD1.44F4A020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, I just got my new web page posted. It isn't much but it works. If = anyone still has a link to my old page, it's long gone. Please update = your links to the new address. Hope to see everyone at Perrykosh next = month. http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/1444/page1.htm Tom Kilgore Las Vegas, NV 89110 lvav8r@vegas.infi.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/1444/page1.htm - ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BDCAD1.44F4A020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BDCAD1.44F4A020-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:12:50 -0700 From: Darrin West Subject: KR: THOMASVILLE FLY-IN I have created a page for the Thomasville Fly-In in October for anyone interested. We would love to have more than one KR this year... Tom, hint, hint. If you can fly to Oshkosh, you can make it to T'Ville, Ga. Darrin West mailto:dwest@rose.net http://www.home.rose.net/~dwest/ Fly-In at http://geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/2032/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:58:44 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Soobers For all you Soob heads, check out this page for some neat Subaru pictures. http://www.gksys.com/qba/soob-photos.html zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:55:38 -0500 From: Paul Eberhardt Subject: Re: KR: Soobers Great site! Does anyone know of a list out there of lightening techniques for the ea-81? I'm sure there is weight to be lost if one knows where to look. Micheal Mims wrote: > > For all you Soob heads, check out this page for some neat Subaru pictures. > > http://www.gksys.com/qba/soob-photos.html > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Irvine Ca > Fax 949.856.9417 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:47:54 EDT From: WARRONFLYS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Soobers There are some simple things you can do.the starter for one. the soob uses 2 types of starters. both are used for the manual , and there is the automatic one. use the standard manual one it is smaller and some what lighter. the nippondenso alternator is lighter than the standard also the geo alternator is lighter and smaller. use the non air conditioner brackets for the alternator. standard is a cast anchor weight. the non air is a stamped. if you use the swift geo alt. grab the mounting bracket off the geo 3 cylinder engine . weld it to a flat plate and mount that on the engine. we also have smaller drive pulleys out of aluminum, lighter and slows the belt down to water pump and alternator. remove all the fittings from the stock intake manifold and plug unnecessary holes. use a altitude compensating carb that we use ,saves a few pounds over the stock bug sprayer.we are testing a small cooling aluminum radiator but it is too soon for that.of course make up a new tube exhaust system. we are also testing a mew manifold also miuch lighter still to early for info.Warron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:27:37 -0400 From: "Tom Andersen" Subject: Re: KR: Soobers Warron, What altitude-compensating carb are you referring to? How about the Altimizer or a Bing? - -Tom - -----Original Message----- From: WARRONFLYS@aol.com To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 7:51 PM Subject: Re: KR: Soobers >There are some simple things you can do.the starter for one. the soob uses 2 >types of starters. both are used for the manual , and there is the automatic >one. use the standard manual one it is smaller and some what lighter. the >nippondenso alternator is lighter than the standard also the geo alternator is >lighter and smaller. use the non air conditioner brackets for the alternator. >standard is a cast anchor weight. the non air is a stamped. if you use the >swift geo alt. grab the mounting bracket off the geo 3 cylinder engine . weld >it to a flat plate and mount that on the engine. we also have smaller drive >pulleys out of aluminum, lighter and slows the belt down to water pump and >alternator. remove all the fittings from the stock intake manifold and plug >unnecessary holes. use a altitude compensating carb that we use ,saves a few >pounds over the stock bug sprayer.we are testing a small cooling aluminum >radiator but it is too soon for that.of course make up a new tube exhaust >system. we are also testing a mew manifold also miuch lighter still to early >for info.Warron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:46:33 EDT From: WARRONFLYS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Soobers Altimizer is a Edelbrock used on aftermarket harleys Quicksilver 2 we get them for our krs at a reduced rate. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:45:48 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Soobers Speaking of aluminum radiators, I met a guy at a local fly-in last weekend that was flying a Peitenpol behind an EA-81 using an RFI redrive. He was using two aluminum GM air conditioner condensor units for radiators. They were mounted sideways behind the engine and completely enclosed in the cowling. One of the things he did to help with the temps was to sleeve the exhaust to duct the hot air out front in front of the radiators. Apparently this setup works pretty well as he now has 350 hours on this unit. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:47:54 EDT WARRONFLYS@aol.com writes: >we are testing a small cooling aluminum >radiator but it is too soon for that.of course make up a new tube exhaust >system. we are also testing a mew manifold also miuch lighter still to early >for info.Warron > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. 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