From: jfdewet@intekom.co.za[SMTP:jfdewet@intekom.co.za] on behalf of owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@teleport.com] Sent: Friday, September 04, 1998 12:11 PM To: 'krnet-l@teleport.com' Subject: RE: KR: protect tanks with vinylester? (not KR related) krnet-l-digest Sunday, September 6 1998 Volume 02 : Number 145 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:49:24 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: KR: Re: unsubscribe.... You might think about sending out a KRNet FAQ e-mail once every week or two including some netiquette instructions and how to information, like how to unsubscribe, or how to make hypertext links in an e-mail. Jeff Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:33:24 -0500 "Mark Langford" writes: >> Can someone please tell me how to unsubscribe..????..... > >Ross, can we add a line to the bottom of every message that comes >from >KRNet telling folks how to unsubscribe? Seems like it would save some >folks >some agony. Personally, if I wanted to unsubscribe, I'd sent a >message to >majordomo@teleport.com and say the word "unsubscr*be" in the body. I >suspect that would do the job, but I'm just guessing... > >Mark Langford >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:58:24 -0600 From: "Jeb" Subject: KR: web page update Just to let ya'll know. I added some new photos to the webpage. New belt drive, instrument panel and new vertical stab (I noticed it was curved when I was adding antenna) Also, I noticed that KR gathering made it in the Kitplane calendar of stuff for September. One last thing: check out the Pacifica design at: http://www.wingco.com/pacifica.html John Bryhan jeb@thuntek.net // www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm Los Alamos, NM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 00:58:06 EDT From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael Taglieri) Subject: Re: KR: rear enjine prop drives >I've got a good 2 years of force one hubs in stock? no rush. As I >said, we have 37 hours on the rear dirve unit. I have made a few >changes based upon looking at the dirve shaft. All of this takes >time. >We do have the new top mounted intake ready to rock and roll when the >testing is complete. steve Does this mean the Force One hub and the "regular" VW engines will be discontinued when the rear drive units become available? I hope not, because I'd expect the rear drive one to be heavier and not able to fit the same cowlings. Mike Taglieri - ------------------------------------------------ 'Mine goes up to 11' - ------------------------------------------------ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 04:33:03 PDT From: "Edward Newbold" Subject: KR: How to buy a KR in Canada? Hi folks. Perhaps someone can help this gentleman with the question about buying a plane from someone in Canada. Please reply to him direct (and suggest he subscribe to the krnet). :O) Thanks. Ed Newbold Columbus, OH - --------------------------------------------------------------------- From: WPayne7338@aol.com Hi Ed, I received the pictures of Harold's KR2 in Montreal. It looks pretty clean, a fixed tri-gear. I will probably go up there to see it in the near future. Should I decide to purchase, would you be at all familiar with the procedures of transfer of "Title" (registration), and across borders? Bill - --------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 06:06:16 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Compass inaccuracy (no archive) Jeb- I think I know why your compass is 180 deg. off when you install it in the panel- it's probably off an EZ or other "backwards" canard ;o) Just swap it for a compass off a conventional A/C, or install it behind you and put a mirror on the panel so you can read it "right" ;o) Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:46:06 EDT From: WARRONFLYS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Compass inaccuracy (no archive) Oy! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 17:26:23 -0800 From: Bruce Toscano Subject: KR: KR2-S Fuselage For Sale KR-2S fuselage (birch) excellent construction, spars, all spruce to finish, plans, 4 volumes of internet downloads (pictures, ideas, etc), full set of original newsletters, lots of extras. Seattle, WA area. $1400 Please e-mail me directly. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 19:35:01 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: rear enjine prop drives No, we will continue to offer all of the same products that we currently do. steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:31:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Howard L. Welte" Subject: KR: unsubscribe Help !! please unsubscribe me, I'm drownding in E-mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 23:05:49 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: unsubscribe.... Send an email to mailto:majordomo@teleport.com with the body text: unsubscribe krnet-l gatliff@mindspring.com end Thomas Gatliff wrote: > > Can someone please tell me how to unsubscribe..????..... > > Thomas Gatliff > tgatliff@gseinternational.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 23:06:45 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: RE: unsubscribe.... Mark, I will check this. I think I can add the message, but have to check with the Majordomo gurus at Teleport. -- Ross Mark Langford wrote: > > > Can someone please tell me how to unsubscribe..????..... > > Ross, can we add a line to the bottom of every message that comes from > KRNet telling folks how to unsubscribe? Seems like it would save some folks > some agony. Personally, if I wanted to unsubscribe, I'd sent a message to > majordomo@teleport.com and say the word "unsubscr*be" in the body. I > suspect that would do the job, but I'm just guessing... > > Mark Langford > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 98 18:33:22 GMT From: mathewrz@iafrica.com (Rob Matthews) Subject: KR: Test (Do Not Read) - -- Rob Matthews Have a nice day South Africa email mathewrz@iafrica.com KR 2 ZS-VCM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 23:27:35 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Hinge Material (a nice horse to kick) Well Hingematerialheads (this is getting bad!) Just for grins I took a stroll around the airport tonight to see what various aircraft use for hinge material and here is what I found. RV6A uses rolled piano hinge, Piper Cherokee uses rolled (two short pieces) Piano hinge, RV3 uses rolled piano hinge, Cessna 152 uses extruded (short pieces) piano hinge. Some other twin (Seneca I think) uses rolled piano hinge. So what the heck are we using extruded hinge material for? Did anyone really analyze this or is it just a case of homebuilt airplane over kill? Most important to me was the fact the RVs all used rolled piano hinge for the full length of the aileron. I think I know what I am using after my walk down piano hinge lane! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:51:09 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Hinge Material (a nice horse to kick) >Well Hingematerialheads (this is getting bad!) What are you doing, coming unhinged? Becoming a hingeman? Hinge it up dude. Real worlds results speak loudly. If they are good enough for an RV, I think we could use them. :) Good post. Robert Covington mailto:t88@primenet.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:39:29 EDT From: WARRONFLYS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Hinge Material (a nice horse to kick) Now they tell me!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 16:30:31 -0700 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: Hinge Material (a nice horse to kick) WARRONFLYS@aol.com wrote: > > Now they tell me!!! - ---------------- Ya me to: I already bought the extruded. I guess it is a case of the blind leading the blind. Just doing what the plans say with out questioning anything. Shame on me. I should know better. Marvin McCoy Seattle Wa. North end of Boeing field mr.marvin@worldnet.att.net - -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 21:06:56 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: KR2S project for sale This from an old member of the KRNet. Gents I used to belong to the list and a new job, lack of dedication, and an allergy to the fiberglass has left me with my Kr2s in the attic of my garage. I have the manual and plans with full scale plots of the layout that can be used as a pattern. All the wood components and the birch ply have been stored properly. One side is glued and removed from the table (Just the 5/8" members no ply on it) and the other is completely cut out and labeled, the only thing that needs to be done is all those little gussets. I have the dual tube glue gun from AS&S and the jig to drill the spars. I'll sell it all for $750 + shipping. I think that's fair considering the price of the spruce and ply is more than my asking price. I can even package it to be shipped. I'm on the East coast in Pa. I'd even be interested in a trade of most anything that didn't take as much fiberglass work. I'd put up with the allergy to a point. I'll even consider some plans and cash for another type aircraft. Contact: RDefrain@aol.com for more info, DO NOT RESPOND TO KRNet. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 21:14:57 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Another KR2S project for sale West coasters, Janette wanted me to remind everyone on the net that Mike Sterns (spelling?) boat is still for sale. It has the tail feathers and controls installed as well as the center section spars. (no t-decks or canopy) I stopped by Rand Robinson today and saw it standing int he corner, seems like Mike found a place to store it but I think Janette would rather see it somewhere else as she is running out of work space! Anyway if your interested you can call RR @ 714-898-3811 and ask them how to get a hold of Mike. The asking price is $750. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 00:45:09 EDT From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael Taglieri) Subject: KR: protect tanks with vinylester? (not KR related) As I've mentioned here before, I'm also on a mailing list for classic English motorcycles. Quite a number of these bikes have fiberglass tanks, all of which were made back in the good old days when autofuel did not attack the resins (which I think were polyester). Now, many tanks are being damaged by the oxygenated fuels being sold in some metro areas, and period replacement steel tanks are either hideously expensive or unobtainable, since some historically important motorcycles were made only with fiberglass tanks. Several motorcycle buffs have tried Kreem and other tank coatings, but most of these were designed to bond to steel tanks for rust protection and are not wholly compatible with fiberglass tanks. It occured to me that if vinylester is really the most fuel-proof resin, it might be possible to coat the inside of a preexisting motorcycle tank with that to increase the tank's lifespan. I was thinking about mixing up a quart or so of the stuff and just sloshing it around for a few minutes, then allowing it to drain. Maybe more than one coat would be desirable. Presumably the bond to old, gasoline-pickled fiberglass would not be good, but if the vinylester formed a solid shell inside the tank, it wouldn't need to bond very well, since there would be no forces tending to detach it. Does anyone have opinions about whether this would work and improve the durability of these tanks? I've already reread the "I hate vinylester" thread, so I know what a pain this stuff is to use, but if it could protect these sometimes unobtainable tanks, restorers could learn to live with it. Mike Taglieri - ------------------------------------------------ 'Mine goes up to 11' - ------------------------------------------------ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 22:54:27 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Hinge Material (a nice horse to kick) Well upon closer inspection of the RV its the FLAPS that use rolled hinge material not he ailerons ( big DOH!!!) but for sure the Pipers used rolled hinge material. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 06:57:41 -0500 From: "Rick Hanson" Subject: KR: Re: protect tanks with vinylester? (not KR related) Just a note about MTBE (oxygenated fuel) in auto gas. I had the Amoco Premium gas tested in reputable lab for MTBE and the result was .06 per weight, next to nothing. They did tell me thought that not every batch of Amoco Premium is made the same way with the same components. MTBE is a great octane booster and many oil companies use it. It is used in all grades of fuel but mostly in Premium blends. You can tell if there is a large percentage of MTBE in the gas you buy, 8% by volume or more, by the sweet smell it has at the pump. I don't have any data on how MTBE effects two cycle engines (oil mixed in the gas) but, I know that snowmobiles stay away from it. I am hoping to get some data of MTBE effects on two cycle oil. If I get anything that is accurate I will post it. - ---------- > From: Michael Taglieri > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: KR: protect tanks with vinylester? (not KR related) > Date: Thursday, September 03, 1998 11:45 PM > > As I've mentioned here before, I'm also on a mailing list for classic > English motorcycles. Quite a number of these bikes have fiberglass > tanks, all of which were made back in the good old days when autofuel did > not attack the resins (which I think were polyester). Now, many tanks > are being damaged by the oxygenated fuels being sold in some metro areas, > and period replacement steel tanks are either hideously expensive or > unobtainable, since some historically important motorcycles were made > only with fiberglass tanks. > > Several motorcycle buffs have tried Kreem and other tank coatings, but > most of these were designed to bond to steel tanks for rust protection > and are not wholly compatible with fiberglass tanks. > > It occured to me that if vinylester is really the most fuel-proof resin, > it might be possible to coat the inside of a preexisting motorcycle tank > with that to increase the tank's lifespan. I was thinking about mixing > up a quart or so of the stuff and just sloshing it around for a few > minutes, then allowing it to drain. Maybe more than one coat would be > desirable. > > Presumably the bond to old, gasoline-pickled fiberglass would not be > good, but if the vinylester formed a solid shell inside the tank, it > wouldn't need to bond very well, since there would be no forces tending > to detach it. Does anyone have opinions about whether this would work > and improve the durability of these tanks? I've already reread the "I > hate vinylester" thread, so I know what a pain this stuff is to use, but > if it could protect these sometimes unobtainable tanks, restorers could > learn to live with it. > > Mike Taglieri > > ------------------------------------------------ > 'Mine goes up to 11' > ------------------------------------------------ > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:22:47 EDT From: WARRONFLYS@aol.com Subject: KR: Re: KR2S sterling wings Hey guys, due to my epoxy burnt brain cells i am unable to find or remember who asked me for the pictures of the kr2 wings. appreciate response. thanks,Braindead in flat lawdydale Fla.Warronflys. Hello Jeannette, if your out there. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:00:53 EDT From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: protect tanks with vinylester? (not KR related) In a message dated 9/3/98 10:47:35 PM, you wrote: <> Sounds like a reasonable approach. You might consider plugging your fuel cock drain (making sure to protect any internal threads), introducing the vinylester resin into the tank through the fuel cap area, then inserting and inflating some type of bladder or balloon to provide even internal pressures to get both good resin contact to the inner tank wall and a fairly even coat of the resin prior to cure. Just make sure the bladder is something the resin won't stick to. Might be best to try a test on a ruined tank or one which this might be considered as a last attempt at salvage (salvation). Let us know if you find a reasonable solution as this may be applicable to fiberglass aircraft tanks which have begun to display signs of delamination or leaking due to auto fuels. Steve Horn horn2004@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:11:02 +0200 From: Kobus de Wet Subject: RE: KR: protect tanks with vinylester? (not KR related) There is a 3M product on the market used for aluminum aircraft fuel tanks which I have used very successfully on glass as well as metal (steel) fuel tanks. Its EC776 and works wonders with pin holes.... Kobus de Wet Cape Town, South Africa GMT + 2.00 http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw/ <> Sounds like a reasonable approach. You might consider plugging your fuel cock drain (making sure to protect any internal threads), introducing the vinylester resin into the tank through the fuel cap area, then inserting and inflating some type of bladder or balloon to provide even internal pressures to get both good resin contact to the inner tank wall and a fairly even coat of the resin prior to cure. Just make sure the bladder is something the resin won't stick to. Might be best to try a test on a ruined tank or one which this might be considered as a last attempt at salvage (salvation). Let us know if you find a reasonable solution as this may be applicable to fiberglass aircraft tanks which have begun to display signs of delamination or leaking due to auto fuels. Steve Horn horn2004@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 20:24:42 -0500 From: N4DD Subject: Re: KR: protect tanks with vinylester? (not KR related) Michael Taglieri wrote: > > As I've mentioned here before, I'm also on a mailing list for classic > English motorcycles. Quite a number of these bikes have fiberglass > tanks, all of which were made back in the good old days when autofuel did > not attack the resins (which I think were polyester). Now, many tanks > are being damaged by the oxygenated fuels being sold in some metro areas, > and period replacement steel tanks are either hideously expensive or > unobtainable, since some historically important motorcycles were made > only with fiberglass tanks. > > Several motorcycle buffs have tried Kreem and other tank coatings, but > most of these were designed to bond to steel tanks for rust protection > and are not wholly compatible with fiberglass tanks. > > It occured to me that if vinylester is really the most fuel-proof resin, > it might be possible to coat the inside of a preexisting motorcycle tank > with that to increase the tank's lifespan. I was thinking about mixing > up a quart or so of the stuff and just sloshing it around for a few > minutes, then allowing it to drain. Maybe more than one coat would be > desirable. > > Presumably the bond to old, gasoline-pickled fiberglass would not be > good, but if the vinylester formed a solid shell inside the tank, it > wouldn't need to bond very well, since there would be no forces tending > to detach it. Does anyone have opinions about whether this would work > and improve the durability of these tanks? I've already reread the "I > hate vinylester" thread, so I know what a pain this stuff is to use, but > if it could protect these sometimes unobtainable tanks, restorers could > learn to live with it. > > Mike Taglieri > > ------------------------------------------------ > 'Mine goes up to 11' > ------------------------------------------------ > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] N4DD has had vinylester resin tanks for about 15 years now and have had no problem. Jean ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 21:54:15 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: link change This from the SVS people. > >97/01/18 The SVS 1400 4 cycle aircraft engine *** WEB SITE NOT >FOUND!!! *** > >Mike, >our SVS-1400, GRS and Sport Prop page is changed, please correct it >to: > >www.bigfoot.com/~zlinak > > >thanks, Milan > >Czechmates LLC >P.O.Box 82752 Portland, OR 97282-0752 USA >tel: 503-704-6010, 233-6848, fax 503-234-5750 >http://www.bigfoot.com/~zlinak >zlinak@bigfoot.com > > > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 21:58:35 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Turbo web site Turboheads, here is a neat website with Java apps that let you size a turbo to any engine, also it gives you projected HP. Pretty cool! http://www.turbofast.com.au/ zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 09:32:03 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Compass interferance At 01:05 PM 8/30/98 -0600, you wrote: >Yeah, it sounds like I ought to just move it. I've >got a place all picked out. I can mount my master switch >or starter button where the compass used to be (top center). >thanks for the assistance to all. > > John Bryhan >jeb@thuntek.net // www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > Los Alamos, NM > > John, I had the same problem that you are having. I had to my compass and the very best place that I found ((as far away from any metal, motors(i.e. Turn&Bank Ind.) or fuel)) was overhead. With the GPS I really don't use the compass that much but it does come in handy when selecting which runway I should use. Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 09:55:10 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: protect tanks with vinylester? (not KR related) At 12:45 AM 9/4/98 EDT, you wrote: >As I've mentioned here before, I'm also on a mailing list for classic >English motorcycles. > >It occured to me that if vinylester is really the most fuel-proof resin, >it might be possible to coat the inside of a preexisting motorcycle tank >with that to increase the tank's lifespan. I was thinking about mixing >up a quart or so of the stuff and just sloshing it around for a few >minutes, then allowing it to drain. Maybe more than one coat would be >desirable. > >Presumably the bond to old, gasoline-pickled fiberglass would not be >good, but if the vinylester formed a solid shell inside the tank, it >wouldn't need to bond very well, since there would be no forces tending >to detach it. Does anyone have opinions about whether this would work >and improve the durability of these tanks? > >Mike Taglieri > > Mike, You may need to find a way to scratch the interior surface of the tank before attemping to use the vinylester. I would like to suggest that you could use small sharp rocks or similiar materials to help prepare the surface for the resin. Another thought... You could sand the exterior down to bare fiberglass and vacuum-bag the exterior while allowing the interior to cure. This could draw the vinylester into whatever pin holes there may be. Just my thoughts.... Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 10:00:04 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: protect tanks with vinylester? (not KR related) At 11:00 AM 9/4/98 EDT, you wrote: > >In a message dated 9/3/98 10:47:35 PM, you wrote: > ><it might be possible to coat the inside of a preexisting motorcycle tank >with that to increase the tank's lifespan. I was thinking about mixing >up a quart or so of the stuff and just sloshing it around for a few >minutes, then allowing it to drain. Maybe more than one coat would be >desirable. >> > >Sounds like a reasonable approach. You might consider plugging your fuel cock >drain (making sure to protect any internal threads), introducing the >vinylester resin into the tank through the fuel cap area, then inserting and >inflating some type of bladder or balloon to provide even internal pressures >to get both good resin contact to the inner tank wall and a fairly even coat >of the resin prior to cure. Just make sure the bladder is something the resin >won't stick to. Might be best to try a test on a ruined tank or one which this >might be considered as a last attempt at salvage (salvation). > >Let us know if you find a reasonable solution as this may be applicable to >fiberglass aircraft tanks which have begun to display signs of delamination or >leaking due to auto fuels. > >Steve Horn >horn2004@aol.com > Another thought.... Why don't you just cut the tank in half, make the the repairs and stick it back together.. Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 18:15:46 +0200 From: Kobus de Wet Subject: KR: KR-2 ZS-WPX First flight KR-2 ZS-WPX was flown for the first time today (Saturday 05/09/98) at 12:30 (GMT + 2:00) The pilot was Louis Frouws and the total flying time for the flight was 20 minutes..... Kobus de Wet Cape Town, South Africa GMT + 2.00 http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 13:13:23 EDT From: Kr2dream@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 ZS-WPX First flight Congratulations!!! Wish I was that far along. Bob Lasecki envious in Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 14:24:09 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 ZS-WPX First flight Congratulations!! Keep us all up to date on your test flying with this plane. This is really the fun part of building. :o) Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Sat, 5 Sep 1998 18:15:46 +0200 Kobus de Wet writes: >KR-2 ZS-WPX was flown for the first time today (Saturday 05/09/98) at >12:30 >(GMT + 2:00) The pilot was Louis Frouws and the total flying time for >the >flight was 20 minutes..... > > >Kobus de Wet >Cape Town, South Africa >GMT + 2.00 >http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw/ > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 14:56:12 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 ZS-WPX First flight At 01:13 PM 9/5/98 EDT, you wrote: >Congratulations!!! Wish I was that far along. > >Bob Lasecki >envious in Chicago > Congrats here too. I wish I were flying mine...even though it has beaucoup hours on it from the builder Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 14:41:52 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: KR: Re: KR-2 ZS-WPX First flight >KR-2 ZS-WPX was flown for the first time today (Saturday 05/09/98) at 12:30 >(GMT + 2:00) The pilot was Louis Frouws and the total flying time for the >flight was 20 minutes..... > > >Kobus de Wet >Cape Town, South Africa >GMT + 2.00 >http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw/ Congratulations! It has been a pleasure seeing your progress from overseas here. Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 17:36:31 -0600 From: Adrian Carter Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 ZS-WPX First flight Kobus de Wet Congratulations - next time it's your turn. Happy Flying!!!!!! - -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 22:26:26 -0400 From: foster schuren Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 ZS-WPX First flight Congraulations, from Foster Schuren KR_2r Ssanford, Florida USA.(just received your message.) good luck. Kobus de Wet wrote: > KR-2 ZS-WPX was flown for the first time today (Saturday 05/09/98) at 12:30 > (GMT + 2:00) The pilot was Louis Frouws and the total flying time for the > flight was 20 minutes..... > > Kobus de Wet > Cape Town, South Africa > GMT + 2.00 > http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 22:34:43 EDT From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael Taglieri) Subject: Re: KR: protect tanks with vinylester? (not KR related) >Sounds like a reasonable approach. You might consider plugging your >fuel cock >drain (making sure to protect any internal threads), introducing the >vinylester resin into the tank through the fuel cap area, then >inserting and >inflating some type of bladder or balloon to provide even internal >pressures >to get both good resin contact to the inner tank wall and a fairly >even coat >of the resin prior to cure. I wish this could work, but it can't: the typical motorcycle tank isn't a simple geometric form but is saddle-shaped to fit over the middle frame tube. Therefore, much of it is inaccessible, and anything I coated it with would have to get around the inside by gravity alone. I assume if I put enough vinylester in and moved it around sufficiently, it would eventually coat everything, unless the stuff is incredibly viscous. Mike Taglieri - ------------------------------------------------ 'Mine goes up to 11' - ------------------------------------------------ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 23:34:03 -0700 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 ZS-WPX First flight Congrats. This motivated me enough to get me back in the garage to work on the KR after a 3 month absence. John F. Esch Salem, OR foster schuren wrote: > Congraulations, from Foster Schuren KR_2r Ssanford, Florida USA.(just > received > your message.) good luck. > > Kobus de Wet wrote: > > > KR-2 ZS-WPX was flown for the first time today (Saturday 05/09/98) > at 12:30 > > (GMT + 2:00) The pilot was Louis Frouws and the total flying time > for the > > flight was 20 minutes..... > > > > Kobus de Wet > > Cape Town, South Africa > > GMT + 2.00 > > http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 22:06:01 -0700 From: "L.Palaniappan" Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR-2 ZS-WPX First flight At 02:41 PM 9/5/98 -0800, you wrote: >>KR-2 ZS-WPX was flown for the first time today (Saturday 05/09/98) at 12:30 >>(GMT + 2:00) The pilot was Louis Frouws and the total flying time for the >>flight was 20 minutes..... Hello Kobus de Wet Congratulations, I am 3000 hours away from now to enjoy the freedom of flight. Anyway how long did you invest to arrive at this point? Enjoy your fruit of labour. Flying flying flying Palani Malaysia. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 22:06:07 -0700 From: "L.Palaniappan" Subject: Re: KR: protect tanks with vinylester? (not KR related) At 10:34 PM 9/5/98 EDT, you wrote: >I wish this could work, but it can't: the typical motorcycle tank isn't a >simple geometric form but is saddle-shaped to fit over the middle frame >tube. Therefore, much of it is inaccessible, and anything I coated it >with would have to get around the inside by gravity alone. I assume if I >put enough vinylester in and moved it around sufficiently, it would >eventually coat everything, unless the stuff is incredibly viscous. > >Mike Taglieri > Hello mike Do it, cut, coat and stick it back. A sure and a guaranteed way to do your tank overhaul. The strength of the tank will in no way be compromised after the repair if done properly. Vinyl ester with which I am working with now is quite viscous, diluting it with thinners is not preferred. Dumping the resin inside the tank to slosh will increase the wall thickness unevenly over which we will have no control. By the way talking about vinyl ester my whole family plays fiddle with their foot (itchyness) even if they smell the stuff for a few minutes. A strange allergy, but it passes away after a few days. Palani malaysia. ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #145 *****************************