From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 8:43 AM To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #149 krnet-l-digest Tuesday, September 15 1998 Volume 02 : Number 149 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 07:06:49 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Perry schedule and photo platforms? In a message dated 98-09-13 22:47:37 EDT, you write: << Did anybody ever post a schedule of events? I only ask because I'm supposed to give a "forum" and am not sure what day it's on. It kinda matters because it's the difference in a free plane ride with Troy or a looooooong drive. Sorry if I missed the schedule if it was published previously, but I sure don't see it anywhere. >> Mark, I can't find my copy of the schedule but you are on for Saturday late morning as I recall. Try Rick's address http://members.aol.com/eaglegator/agenda.html All you netheads, there seems to be several of us getting there on Thursday. Steve Eberhart and I are arriving on the same flight at 3:45 Thursday. I'll see if they will let us post a list of who has arrived at the counter. I believe our plans are to go to the airport and just hang out and..................maybe help out Thursday early evening. Course with that said, Steve probably has something else planned:-)). See ya there. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 06:23:21 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Door prize (no archive) Here's an idea for a door prize: helium-filled balloons for those guys who don't make the 150 lb. limit for rides in Jeff's bird. You get enough of those in the cockpit with you, maybe you'll make the weight limit ;o) Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:53:51 EDT From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: KR: RE:Perry Weather UPDATE > FYI... We've been suffering through a terribly hot summer in the > Texas/Oklahoma area. Been in the 100's almost 60 days already (was 106 this > past weekend). Forecast is for continued hot WX, but probably only in the > upper 90's. Unless we see a dramatic change in the weather over the next week, > you might want to bring some very light clothing along with a hat to keep you > comfortable out on the ramp. Well, I guess I spoke too soon. We HAVE had a dramatic change in weather. The tropical system in the Gulf managed to push through the area bringing with it drastically lower temperatures and moderate rain. Unfortunately, the 5 day forecast is calling for continued scattered showers through Thursday. It's looking pretty good for the weekend, assuming the low doesn't stall anywhere in the TX, OK, AR area. I will follow the trend and keep you posted on what you might expect. To all those flying in: don't throw in the towel yet. Steve Horn Horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 06:02:27 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Inside Fuse paint? I wouldnt rush to paint the inside yet. you will probably find that you need to glue guides for cables, wires, trim stuff etc. as you go along. Richard E. Parker Jaffrey, NH richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:39:53 CST From: "Rex Ellington" Subject: KR: Weather forecast G'Day all The drought, with 40+ days of 100+ temp. broke this weekend, for the part of the state east of I-35. The remnants of the Gulf storm should be out of the way by Wednesday. This morning's forecast shows temperatures of 88-92 for highs, 68 lows. A couple of the forecasts say 'breezy' for Friday and Saturday. I will post again each morning. Rex Rex T. Ellington ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 07:44:56 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Door prize (no archive) better yet, put them under the turtledeck and you wont have to worry about rear CG. >From: "Oscar Zuniga" >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Subject: KR: Door prize (no archive) >Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 06:23:21 PDT >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >Here's an idea for a door prize: helium-filled balloons for those guys >who don't make the 150 lb. limit for rides in Jeff's bird. You get >enough of those in the cockpit with you, maybe you'll make the weight >limit ;o) > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:19:01 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: VWs and Engine Oil VWheads, one of my hanger mates bought a flying Dragonfly about 6 months or so ago and has been debugging it for the last 4 months. He has it squared away for now and is enjoying his new toy. One thing that he learned that I felt might benefit some of you who are planning to use a VW is a little thing about engine oil. Seems that all of a sudden his oil temps were getting into the red during climb out. Being the primitive trouble shooter that I am I asked him what was the last thing he did before he noticed the rise in temps. He said nothing it just started rising one day. So after a lot of head scratching and almost giving up I asked what kind of oil he was using and he said straight 50w racing oil. (Seems he had changed it recently) I about kicked him in the shins! I told him that was his problem and he looked at me like I was a dilbert or something and said "yeah right". Anyway he continued to try this and that while everyday I would shout at him to change his damn oil and he would reply "that isnt the problem". Finally he gave in and bought some 10w30. His first flight showed oil temps up to 30 degrees cooler. I ran this by Steve (thanks Steve) and my thinking was the VW's clearances and oil passages are just too small to run 50 weight oil. Steve confirmed this. Brad has since changed to a lighter oil and his is runing a little cooler too. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:05:38 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: VWs and Engine Oil In a message dated 98-09-14 13:18:59 EDT, you write: << Finally he gave in and bought some 10w30. His first flight showed oil temps up to 30 degrees cooler. I ran this by Steve (thanks Steve) and my thinking was the VW's clearances and oil passages are just too small to run 50 weight oil. >> As a footnote on this, "they" also say not to use aviation oil for the same reason, the passages are smaller than in certified engines. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:46:48 -0400 From: Robert McDonald Subject: KR: KR-2 Characteristics Please bear with me, I'm sure that my lack of KR related knowledge will become apparent :-) I am considering buying a KR-2. I want something not too expensive, (purchase and operating cost), to build some hours in and do some short trips. By short I mean mostly 100-200 miles, with the occasional trip to Montreal, (I live north of Toronto) I have limited experience, and I am just getting back into flying after several years on the ground. I would like to learn a bit about what the KR-2 flys like. I am told the plane in question has the "Diehl" (sp?) mods, (longer wings, tricycle gear?) and so is not as "hot" as the original KR-2. I have flown: Power: C-150, C-172, Cherokee 140 Sailplane: Schweitzer 2-33, 1-26, 232, Blanik Should I be looking for something else, or is the KR-2 reasonable for a "new" pilot like me? I would obviously want to spend some time flying with an experienced KR-2 pilot, until I felt comfortable with it. Is there anybody near me? (I am told this one was built in Hamilton, the current owner is in Montreal). All information, pointers and suggestions are welcome. Rob - ----------------------- Robert J. McDonald, P.Eng. ----------------------- Industrial Automation M.Sc. - Computation Real Time Embedded Software B.Tech.-Mechanical Engineering Scientific & Engineering Software Voice: 519-372-9916 Fax: 519-372-9356 - ------------------------- rob.mcdonald@forth.org ------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:10:48 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: KR: Perry lodging? Anyone still having problems finding a room in Perry? Looks like I may have a spare half a room from Thurs-Sat at the Days Inn. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:07:38 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Weather forecast On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:39:53 CST "Rex Ellington" writes: >G'Day all > >The drought, with 40+ days of 100+ temp. broke >this weekend, for the part of the state east of I-35. So those of us flying in from the west should have to fly through about a mile of rain. Right? :o) Keep us posted on the local forcast. Unless I cruise on past Perry to go visit some relatives in Arkansas, I should be there by noon Thursday. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:33:39 EDT From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael C. Taglieri) Subject: Re: KR: VWs and Engine Oil ><< Finally he gave in > and bought some 10w30. His first flight showed oil temps up to 30 > degrees cooler. I ran this by Steve (thanks Steve) and my thinking >was > the VW's clearances and oil passages are just too small to run 50 >weight > oil. >> > >As a footnote on this, "they" also say not to use aviation oil for the >same >reason, the passages are smaller than in certified engines. This is something I've never understood, since you can buy multigrade aviation oils now, and the 15w/50 semisynthetic oil sounds ideal for a (broken-in) VW engine. It wouldn't deposit ash in combustion chambers, would scavenge lead properly, etc., and basically would do all the good things aviation oils are supposed to do in certified engines, but it's actually thinner than the 20w/50 multigrade oils many people use in VW engines on the ground. Mike Taglieri - --------------------------------------- 'Mine goes up to 11' - --------------------------------------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:45:06 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Wing spar depth and plywood type EagleGator@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 9/9/98 9:47:08 PM Central Daylight Time, HAshraf@aol.com > writes: > > > Second topic is kind of a dead horse. All rear spars and outer spars carry > > way > > less loads then center spars. So, I think, mahogany could safely be used > > every > > where except front center spars saving a couple of pounds of weight. Any > > thoughts? > > I think the conventional wisdom has said to use the 2.5mm birch plywood on all > of the spars. At the risk of scaring everyone from ever flying in my airplane > once it is finished, all of my spars are laminated with 3/32 mahogany. Not > saying I'm right, but that's what I did. > > Cheers, > Rick Junkin > EagleGator@aol.com > St. Charles MO I used Mahogany ply for the spar webbing on my KR-2, I am assuming that newer plans are specifying Birch for the 2S, but I don't recall a major difference prior to the recent thread on the topic. - -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 19:11:11 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: VW plugs (formerly Congrats, Kobus) At 01:27 AM 9/14/98 EDT, you wrote: >Despite the aviation-related modifications, people should remember these things are basically VW engines and VW has TONS of data on what works best in them. >>Normal service: Champion L-85 or L-86, Bosch W 145 T1, Beru 145/14 > >>High-speed service: Champion L-88-A, Bosch W 175 T1, Beru 175/14 > >Mike Taglieri High speed service sounds good! :o) But keep in mind 80% of these VW flyers are running a mag (or two) and I bet you might have a rough time screwing those mag leads to the top os a Champion L-88-A. Otherwise the regular plug called for in the VW manual would certainly be a great place to start. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:16:18 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Inside Fuse paint? At 05:33 PM 9/13/98 -0500, you wrote: >Since my boat is essentially complete and I have begun work on the tail I >got to wondering if anyone has ever painted the inside of the aft fuselage. > >I really don't have a good reason other than I think it would look better >than having to look at fiberglass and micro. I can't imagine that a single >coat of paint would weigh very much. > >Any recommendations? > >Dean >mailto:drdean@execpc.com > > > Don't paint but wipe on the extra epoxy resin left over after each layup until you have the inside covered. The epoxy will soak into the wood and protect it for a long long time. Besides clear coated(epoxy) spruce looks good and you can inspect it at any time. Paint may cover up something that may need attention later. Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 19:21:33 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: Inside Fuse paint? Richard Parker wrote: > > I wouldnt rush to paint the inside yet. you will probably find that you > need to glue guides for cables, wires, trim stuff etc. as you go along. > > Richard E. Parker > Jaffrey, NH > richontheroad@hotmail.com > http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm This is good advice, however, a electric finishing sander does a good job of removing Varnish from spots that you need to glue, if you end up finding that you need so remove some.... -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 19:27:59 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: VWs and Engine Oil Micheal Mims wrote: > > VWheads, one of my hanger mates bought a flying Dragonfly about 6 > months or so ago and has been debugging it for the last 4 months. He > has it squared away for now and is enjoying his new toy. One thing that > he learned that I felt might benefit some of you who are planning to use > a VW is a little thing about engine oil. Seems that all of a sudden his > oil temps were getting into the red during climb out. Being the > primitive trouble shooter that I am I asked him what was the last thing > he did before he noticed the rise in temps. He said nothing it just > started rising one day. So after a lot of head scratching and almost > giving up I asked what kind of oil he was using and he said straight 50w > racing oil. (Seems he had changed it recently) I about kicked him in > the shins! I told him that was his problem and he looked at me like I > was a dilbert or something and said "yeah right". Anyway he continued > to try this and that while everyday I would shout at him to change his > damn oil and he would reply "that isnt the problem". Finally he gave in > and bought some 10w30. His first flight showed oil temps up to 30 > degrees cooler. I ran this by Steve (thanks Steve) and my thinking was > the VW's clearances and oil passages are just too small to run 50 weight > oil. Steve confirmed this. Brad has since changed to a lighter oil and > his is runing a little cooler too. Steve's Great Plains engine manual indicates that straight 30W oil is the appropriate stuff. It seems to be OK so far, but I haven't done much beyond a 20 min static run up. -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 19:32:31 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Characteristics Robert, This is an interesting question. I have heard of several KR builders who transitioned with no problems from a C-152/C-172. I myself am a low time pilot (98hours power 12 hours sailplanes). Unless you are looking at a KR tricycle gear, I would recommend getting some taildragger time. This is the situation I am in, and I have about 7 hours taildragger time so far, and it has been lots of fun so far. -- Regards Ross Robert McDonald wrote: > > Please bear with me, I'm sure that my lack of KR related knowledge will > become apparent :-) > > I am considering buying a KR-2. I want something not too expensive, > (purchase and operating cost), to build some hours in and do some short > trips. By short I mean mostly 100-200 miles, with the occasional trip to > Montreal, (I live north of Toronto) > > I have limited experience, and I am just getting back into flying after > several years on the ground. I would like to learn a bit about what the > KR-2 flys like. I am told the plane in question has the "Diehl" (sp?) mods, > (longer wings, tricycle gear?) and so is not as "hot" as the original KR-2. > > I have flown: > Power: C-150, C-172, Cherokee 140 > Sailplane: Schweitzer 2-33, 1-26, 232, Blanik > > Should I be looking for something else, or is the KR-2 reasonable for a > "new" pilot like me? I would obviously want to spend some time flying with > an experienced KR-2 pilot, until I felt comfortable with it. Is there > anybody near me? (I am told this one was built in Hamilton, the current > owner is in Montreal). > > All information, pointers and suggestions are welcome. > > Rob > > ----------------------- Robert J. McDonald, P.Eng. ----------------------- > Industrial Automation M.Sc. - Computation > Real Time Embedded Software B.Tech.-Mechanical Engineering > Scientific & Engineering Software Voice: 519-372-9916 Fax: 519-372-9356 > ------------------------- rob.mcdonald@forth.org ------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:34:15 EDT From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Perry lodging? In a message dated 98-09-14 20:23:05 EDT, you write: << Anyone still having problems finding a room in Perry? Looks like I may have a spare half a room from Thurs-Sat at the Days Inn. >> Randy Stein has graciously offered me half his room so my single (smoking) room is available (fri-sat). I have till thursday night to cancel it. If anybody needs it let me know. Haris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:43:30 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Perry lodging? The space I offered previously is taken. Jeff Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:54:57 EDT From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Wing spar depth and plywood type In a message dated 9/14/98 7:56:51 PM Mountain Daylight Time, rossy@teleport.com writes: << I am assuming that newer plans are specifying Birch for the 2S, but I don't recall a major difference prior to the recent thread on the topic. -- Ross >> Mine didn't say but a call to RR confirmed using the birch. Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:36:08 EDT From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Fwd: PerryKosh workshops In a message dated 9/13/98 9:05:58 PM EST, mikemims@pacbell.net writes: > Rick speaking of next years gathering, has anyone given this any thought? > Since I WILL be flying in MY plane next year I was just curious. :o) This should be a hot topic of conversation at the gathering prior to the banquet. Last year it was a "group think" decision without much thought put into it (my opinion only), but I know the location, or at least the host, will be different next year. The best of all worlds will be if someone shows up this year and volunteers to host next year's gathering. I'd like to host it here in St. Louis at some point, but as yet haven't located reasonable facilities. Any one else out there considering stepping up to the challenge? Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:16:31 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Fwd: PerryKosh workshops The EAA at Oshkosh is interested in hosting type fly-ins at their facilities. I can give someone the names and phone numbers, but don't have the time to put into setting it up myself. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:36:08 EDT EagleGator@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 9/13/98 9:05:58 PM EST, mikemims@pacbell.net >writes: > >> Rick speaking of next years gathering, has anyone given this any >thought? >> Since I WILL be flying in MY plane next year I was just curious. >:o) > >This should be a hot topic of conversation at the gathering prior to >the >banquet. Last year it was a "group think" decision without much >thought put >into it (my opinion only), but I know the location, or at least the >host, will >be different next year. The best of all worlds will be if someone >shows up >this year and volunteers to host next year's gathering. I'd like to >host it >here in St. Louis at some point, but as yet haven't located reasonable >facilities. Any one else out there considering stepping up to the >challenge? > >Cheers, >Rick Junkin >EagleGator@aol.com >St. Charles MO > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:22:16 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: KR-2 Characteristics Robert McDonald wrote: > Should I be looking for something else, or is the KR-2 reasonable for a "new" pilot like me? >>> Well Robert your gona get a bunch of opinions on this one! They will range from "no way are you crazy" to "sure go ahead and do it, piece of cake". There are people who have almost all their flying time in their own KRs as they started flying them just after getting their license. Obviously with proper training a pilot can learn to fly just about anything. Shuttle pilots are not super human and neither are KR pilots but you should keep in mind that the factory does not recommend the KR for low time pilots. Listen to what the flyers have to say and figure it out for yourself. In your case, it sounds to me like a KR is just what the Dr. ordered. That is if your up to the whole homebuilt thing. You may not need to be super human to fly a KR but it sure as hell helps to keep that VW running! :o) That was a joke guys!! Mike "Super Human VW Maintainer" Mims - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:50:49 -0500 From: "Smyre, Nathaniel J." Subject: KR: RE: Days Inn stop sending already LOL =20 > ---------- > From: T Flemming[SMTP:tflemming@texramp.net] > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 1998 9:55 PM > To: KR > Subject: KR: Days Inn=20 >=20 > My loss might be your gain.=A0 I'm sorry to say that i won't be able = to > attend Perrykosh this year.=A0 I just cancelled my reservations with = Days > Inn.=A0 The days that i had reservered where 17-19th double = occupancy.=A0 > There # 1 800 352 2525 > Hope this helps somebody.=A0 Hope everybody has fun and takes lots of = photos > for their webpages so that us home bound folk can enjoy. > =A0 > T.Flemming KR-2S=A0=A0 0.0001% complete=A0=A0=A0 :) >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:54:42 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Double, triple, quadrouple,......... At 12:50 AM 9/15/98 -0500, you wrote: >stop sending already LOL > For a minute I thought the KRNet had sprang to life. Obviously the KRNet (teleport) is freaking out! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:37:23 -0700 From: tomstokes1@juno.com (Tom Stokes) Subject: Re: KR: Fwd: PerryKosh workshops On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:16:31 -0600 jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) writes: >The EAA at Oshkosh is interested in hosting type fly-ins at their >facilities. I can give someone the names and phone numbers, but don't >have the time to put into setting it up myself. > >Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:36:08 EDT EagleGator@aol.com writes: In a message dated 9/13/98 9:05:58 PM EST, mikemims@pacbell.net writes: Rick speaking of next years gathering, has anyone given this any thought? Since I WILL be flying in MY plane next year I was just curious. Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO Any thought to having it a week early or late so as not to conflict with the Reno Air Races. I can sit in my front yard and look down at them. But being a devoted KRer I come to Perry. Tom Stokes @ Reno NV _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:55:35 -0500 From: "T Flemming" Subject: KR: Days Inn This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BDDF61.3CBBBC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My loss might be your gain. I'm sorry to say that i won't be able to = attend Perrykosh this year. 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- ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BDDF61.3CBBBC00-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 06:53:41 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Fwd: PerryKosh workshops In a message dated 98-09-15 00:12:58 EDT, you write: << Last year it was a "group think" decision without much thought put into it (my opinion only), but I know the location, or at least the host, will be different next year. The best of all worlds will be if someone shows up this year and volunteers to host next year's gathering. Any one else out there considering stepping up to the challenge? >> Kentucky Dam State Park.........................as he dons the blue shirt with the large "S", I'm up too it. Remember I'm super human because I decided to go the VWub:-)) Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 06:02:01 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: RE: KR: Fwd: PerryKosh workshops Dana wrote: > Kentucky Dam State Park...................... I second the motion. OK, glad that's settled. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:12:06 +0200 From: "Stefan den Boer" Subject: KR: a new member/flight controls Hallo My name is Stef den Boer and i am happy to be now on the kr net. I am from the Netherlands(europe) and bilding already for 10 years together with my father on the kr . I know my writing is realy bad, the reason is that this is my first letter in another langeust. I hope that everybody is now smiling to me/. Oke about the kr were are we. We have assembled the body, the wings, the tail section, canopy,turtel deck and at this moment i am working on the fuel tanks.Making them in the leadingeds from alu. It is a lot off work but i think that this is the best place for your weight and ballance.To work with aluminium is also my yob because i am a sheetmetal worker at an airliner(martinair).Are there already guys who have expereens with the fuel consumption And with how many fuel are the real cracks in the air. I have also a modification in the flight controls, the system is checked by Martinaire enginering and they have a question about the KR (I am already waiting for one year to get it approved for the Netherlands FAA) I need to now what is the maximum force that is coming on the ailerons and horizontal stabelizer. I mean the force that is coming on the leavers at the point were the cabel is conected to the hor stabalizer and ailerons.at the max speed off 200 miles I know it is a smal ting that i need to know, but nobody in the netherlands can help me. And i am a little desperid because i already made a lot off stuf for the system.Pleaseeeeeeee can somebody help me, if it is not, i have to put the old original system in and that is a shame because it is a lot of work that i have done already. I hope to get soon same information from one off you..... The realy bad writing Dutch gay...........Stef boer.reinders@hetnet.nl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 05:22:35 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: RE: KR: Fwd: PerryKosh workshops >Dana wrote: > >> Kentucky Dam State Park...................... I thought we didnt allow cussing on this list? Richard E. Parker Jaffrey, NH richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:39:38 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Fwd: PerryKosh workshops-joke In a message dated 98-09-15 08:23:30 EDT, you write: << >Dana wrote: > >> Kentucky Dam State Park...................... I thought we didnt allow cussing on this list? Richard E. Parker >> No, that would be Dam Kentucky State Park :-)) (or something like that) Sorry guys, just couldn't resist..........I hope this only goes out one time, not six. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:21:11 -0500 From: Bob and Grace Welfel Subject: KR: same message 10times KR netters, How can a guy (T Flemming) send the same message 10 times? Does he think we don't know how to read? Get With the program. Bob Welfel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:27:18 EDT From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: same message 10times In a message dated 9/15/98 8:25:18 AM, you wrote: <> I think there's a little problem with the server, server, server, server, server..... Steve Horn Horn Horn Horn Horn horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TTTTTTTTTTTTexas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:37:38 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: VWs and Engine Oil Seems to me there is a big difference in 20w50 Pennzoil (automotive) and 20w50 Aeroshell (aviation) in weight (thickness). Could there be a different method for figuring the oils weight in each industry? - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:46:53 CST From: "Rex Ellington" Subject: KR: Okla weather G'Day Time: 0900 CDT Medium ground fog due to all the recent rain and wet ground. Burning off early. Rain bands moving east - Radar shows them running from Houston NNE and up through Ohio Valley. Okla Winds N & NNE 5-10 Local weather show predicts slightly cloudy Friday, 88-90 degrees, night low 68 degrees Saturday, 90 degrees, breezy, 20% chance of rain statewide, should improve. Rex Rex T. Ellington ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:06:02 -0500 From: "T Flemming" Subject: KR: Same Message from that Jerk T.Flemming This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BDE090.71BBFDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm innocent ! I've been framed, i swear it. =20 Trent Flemming - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BDE090.71BBFDE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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- ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BDE090.71BBFDE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:29:15 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: VWs and Engine Oil Micheal Mims wrote: > > Seems to me there is a big difference in 20w50 Pennzoil (automotive) and > 20w50 Aeroshell (aviation) in weight (thickness). Could there be a > different method for figuring the oils weight in each industry? A member of my EAA chapter is a retired oil engineer/salesman/company rep. He has given talks on oil at our chapter meetings. The oil viscocity numbers are supposed to be identical and refer (I think) to the length of time that is required for a certain amount of oil to drain through a standard sized hole. There is probably more to it than that, but I forget all of the details. He also says (strongly) that the W does not stand for weight, again, I forget exactly what it does stand for. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:44:42 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: a new member/flight controls > I have also a modification in the flight controls, the system is checked by > Martinaire enginering and they have a question about the KR (I am already > waiting for one year to get it approved for the Netherlands FAA) > I need to now what is the maximum force that is coming on the ailerons and > horizontal stabelizer. > I mean the force that is coming on the leavers at the point were the cabel > is conected to the hor stabalizer and ailerons.at the max speed off 200 > miles (Your English is much better than my Dutch) If the KR was designed to FAR23 specifications (U.S. certification), the required stabilizer and aileron loads can be found by: horizontal tail: W = 4.8 + 0.534 * n * GW / S pounds per square foot aileron: W = 0.466 * n * GW / S pounds per square foot n is the design load limit (i.e. 4.4 G's or 6 G's or whatever) GW is gross weight in pounds S is wing area in square feet (By the way, these number are very conservative, the actual are much less) The horizontal tail load has to have the correct chordwise distribution for the calculation. Along the chord, it is zero at the leading and trailing edges and a maximum at the hinge line. The load on the moveable portion of the stabalizer is transferred to the control system and is calculated by a standard method of load times arm to get a moment (force X distance) - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #149 *****************************