From: jfdewet@intekom.co.za[SMTP:jfdewet@intekom.co.za] on behalf of owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 8:19 AM To: 'krnet-l@teleport.com' Subject: RE: KR: Kr overall krnet-l-digest Tuesday, September 29 1998 Volume 02 : Number 155 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 16:18:53 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Progress and visitors Well this weekend was a good one indeed! I took two vacation days on Thursday and Friday to give myself a good four day weekend for KR work. I got a tremendous amount of work done and to top it off Brian Bland flew out on Friday to attend Mike Mims school of hot wiring. Brian graduated with a A+ after setting up the last gear leg fairing on his own. So with Brains help, the ailerons, wheel leg fairings and a few other odds and ends got made. THANKS BRIAN. Other things accomplished this weekend were, pulled all the wires for nav and anti-collision lights, made mounting brackets for wing tip nav lights, install anti collision lens in the belly of the fuselage, made all the spars involved with the ailerons and installed T-nuts, glassed trailing edge false spar in place, made cut out in lower wing skin for aileron balance weight, glassed gear leg fairing mounts, bought a new lightweight alternator for the lycoming, and I guess that's about it. Next thing to do is clean up the layups with a sureform tool and flip her back over on to her feet, install the aft facing nav light in the rudder and finish up the ailerons. After that its firewall forward time! Woo Hoo! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:06:23 EDT From: Sheetsg@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: inquiry Mike: I live in Iowa. And yes the gear punched up through the wings. So you say this is a easy repair. And that sounds like I should repair the wings. I'll give it a try. I had thought maybe I could just find some for sale or something and save myself a lot of time. Thanks though for the advice. If you live near Iowa let me know. appreciate it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:12:49 EDT From: Sheetsg@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: inquiry Ross: I have a friend with a digital camera. I'll take some picture of the situation and send them out if that is O.K. Don't want to get into trouble with the list, So should I send them to the list, or direct to the members email. Sorry about the name thing. I'm new to this. However I'm very excited. The plane is N76KB. It was built sometime around 1976, or 1977. I'm a 250 hour pilot. with about 50 in tail wheel. I'm not too sure if I can fly this thing as the previous owner said it was very pitch sensitive. He always had a hell of a time slowing it down to flare properly. That is what got him into trouble. Also why I thought a new set of wings might be the trick, as the previous owner believed that ailerons had been built too small. Anyway, I sure do appreciate the offerings. I am a member of EAA, but not the local chapter. I'm thinking that I should change that however. Thanks again Ross. I'll keep intouch. Gary S. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 00:01:47 EDT From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: KR: N415RJ Progress Hi gang, long time no post on progress on my airplane, mainly because I've only put in about 18 hours in the last 6 months ... ugh. But, I did make good use of those 18 hours. The construction of my horizontal stabilizer and elevator is complete, with only the filling and sanding (repeat as many times as you care to) to go before I mount them on the fuselage. This week end I finished up the trim tab and installed the MAC trim servo in the elevator. I still need to work the cover/inspection plate for the servo, but that shouldn't take more than a couple of hours. The big thing with the trim servo is the mistake that I made. I used a piano hinge instead of the plans method (not the mistake yet!) and intended to mount the hinge under the top skin of both the elevator and the trim tab, making a setup like the ailerons with a gap at the bottom with a gap seal. Wellllll.... I ended up installing the hinge on the BOTTOM instead of the top (yup, THAT was the mistake!) and had to figure out how to make the top look right with that big gap there. I wouldn't recommend this to anyone, due to the extra work required, but it really turned out COOL. I ended up building up the leading edge of the trim tab with micro, contouring it so that it would tuck nicely inside the elevator, and then hollowed out the foam in front of the trim tab to make room for full travel of the tab. So basically what I ended up with is a gap seal on the bottom formed by the piano hinge, and no gap on the top through the full travel of the trim tab. And it only cost me an extra 8 hours! After all that, the plans hinge looks a WHOLE lot easier. Probably would have taken me a whole 3 hours to make. Since there was some insinuation at the gathering that I may not really be building an airplane, seeing as how I haven't posted any pictures in the two years I've been on this list, I'm going to take some shots of my project and (finally) post them on my web page some time this week. Don't hold your breath, nothing spectacular here, but I feel the need to provide some evidence... ;o) Oh, and by the way, Mike Mimms, strakes are WAY cool, can't wait to see if I need to add any to my project! Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO http://members.aol.com/eaglegator for flight test and safety info ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:16:59 -0700 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: Re: KR: inquiry Gary If you want to send them to me I can put them up on my Aircraft Web site as I do for others. Then I will list the URL for list members. I am building up my site with places for designs I like so it will fit right in, in the long run. I'm retired and still deciding on which plane to build so I am having fun doing this and learning to make web pages on my four web sites. I just joined EAA and will be joining Chap 1000 at Edwards AFB. An interesting Chapter with AF Test Pilots and a couple Astranauts, but they hide so you don't know who they are. Gordon Sheetsg@aol.com wrote: > Ross: > > I have a friend with a digital camera. I'll take some picture of the situation > and send them out if that is O.K. > > Don't want to get into trouble with the list, So should I send them to the > list, or direct to the members email. > > Sorry about the name thing. I'm new to this. However I'm very excited. > > The plane is N76KB. It was built sometime around 1976, or 1977. > > I'm a 250 hour pilot. with about 50 in tail wheel. I'm not too sure if I can > fly this thing as the previous owner said it was very pitch sensitive. He > always had a hell of a time slowing it down to flare properly. That is what > got him into trouble. Also why I thought a new set of wings might be the > trick, as the previous owner believed that ailerons had been built too small. > > Anyway, I sure do appreciate the offerings. > I am a member of EAA, but not the local chapter. I'm thinking that I should > change that however. > > Thanks again Ross. I'll keep intouch. > > Gary S. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 00:32:06 EDT From: Sheetsg@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: inquiry Gordon: Thanks!! Will try to do that for sure. The test pilots probably like to keep a low profile. Anyway, with luck, and some work I may just join their ranks when I test fly this KR2. If I can get up the guts. I'll email you pics as soon as I get them Gordon. Thanks again ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 00:35:46 EDT From: Sheetsg@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: inquiry Thanks Mike: Very good information and advise. BTW I spotted your web site. extremely nice!!! indeed. Your machine looks GREAT!! Hope I can get old N76KB looking good again. Also, do you know when you guys have the next KR gathering? Maybe I can use that as some incentive to getting this thing back in the air. Thanks again Mike. I'll keep in touch. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:18:54 -0700 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: Re: KR: inquiry Gary Thats fine on the pics. I like doing that as I'm learnig alot. MY Home built web site is at: http://public.surfree.com/snakeskin/ It's filled with some links to various homebuilts, other good aircraft links. Link to Volksplane Forum I started for my friend Fritz Place for Mike Fishers Out of Business Sale Other stuff including my resume just in case someone wants an old person. I only started it three weeks ago so I have a long ways to go. My plans are to have links off to builders of each kind of HomeBuilt I am interested in. Probably a duplication of what some others are doing but it's my place to stuff my junk, My wife says my bedroom is stuffed to full now with magazines and folders. Gordon Sheetsg@aol.com wrote: > Gordon: > > Thanks!! Will try to do that for sure. > > The test pilots probably like to keep a low profile. > > Anyway, with luck, and some work I may just join their ranks when I test fly > this KR2. If I can get up the guts. > > I'll email you pics as soon as I get them Gordon. > > Thanks again ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:18:14 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: inquiry At 12:35 AM 9/28/98 EDT, you wrote: >Also, do you know when you guys have the next KR gathering? Maybe I can use that as some incentive to getting this thing back in the air.>>> > They just had it about a week ago, next one will be this time next year in Kentucky. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:39:30 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: KR: Perry Pics As threatened last week, I have a page of Perry pics up (9 pics). Will add another two or three pages this week. Click a thumbnail to see the bigger ones. That would be thumbnail picture, not a real thumbnail, for you jokesters on the list. Then again, would be cooler with Halloween coming up to have a thumbnail. Featured on this one single all alone by itself and not another like it till I post 'em type page: Perry Sunsets, Martin Roberts's KR in action, Bobby Muse's KR in Taxi-tion,Jeff Scott's and another KR, Steve Bennett working on the V-Dub beast. That refused to start. Due I think to a fuel line problem or leak. I forget why that was. Anyhow, Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:53:31 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Mapquest Does anyone know of a internet site that will do direct (air miles) from city to city like Mapquest does for driving? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:23:58 -0500 From: "Dean R. Collette, MD" Subject: KR: Re: Mapquest Mike, Mapquest also has an "as the crow flies function." I can't remember, off the top of my head, how to do it, but I know it's there. Dean - -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 12:51 AM Subject: KR: Mapquest >Does anyone know of a internet site that will do direct (air miles) from >city to city like Mapquest does for driving? >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 949.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 02:59:49 EDT From: WPayne7338@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Mapquest for straight line distance info It's called "How Far Is It" http://www.indo.com/cgi-bin/dist ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:34:57 EDT From: Steen8751A@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Mapquest Yes, try www.airnet.com. It has a great fuel stop planner. I use it to get car gas for my 1949 low compression Bonanza. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:35:39 EDT From: Steen8751A@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Mapquest Sorry for the typo, that is www.airnav.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:03:26 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: 1999 KR Gathering OK, gang you're the first to know!!!! The 1999 KR Gathering will be held at Lake Barkley State Park Sept. 24th & 25th. 1-800-325-1708. This park is located across the lake from Kentucky Dam State Park in far western KY and offers a more secluded runway, plus they have rooms available. Offered at the park are: 4800 X 100 asphalt (as opposed to the pilots fault) runway, 100 LL plus Jet A for those turbine KRs, lodge rooms from $48.45 to $56.95, two bedroom cabins set in the woods surrrounding the lake for $127.50, golf, tennis, pool, boat rental, nature trails. I've tried to make it so that your family might be interested in coming and enable them to have something to do other than hang around the airport and swap lies with us KR guys. I do not have the room contract in my hands yet but they are holding 88 lodge rooms and 8 cabins for us. You will not be able to make reservations until I return the signed contract, which they should be getting to me in about a week. Wait until I post the go ahead and them make your reservations as soon as possible. These accomodations will be held for us only up to 60 days prior to the gathering. The unused rooms and cabins will be offered back to the public at that time. Additional rooms are available in Cadiz, KY. My plan for this gathering, in addition to the pilots flying at their pleasure, is to offer the builder forums on all aspects of building with a forum on basic KR woodworking and progressing in construction order all the way to test flying. I plan on having these forums start on the hour from two different booths with each one lasting 45 mins. and the next one already set up and ready to go on the hour after the prior one has been completed. This will give you time to grab a coke, or whatever, in between forums. I'll post a request for those interested in conducting a forum (they are fun to do guys) to get involved. It would amaze you to see the interest, and appreciation, by those who attend these. What we sometimes consider to be basic information is a rocket science to others just starting, so get involved here guys, it's everyone's gathering. Some of you younger guys (under 42, I'll explain if you ask) plan on coming. The same planes have been showing up for the last couple of gatherings...............show us what you have, bring what you got, even if you have to trailor it in........if it's not flyable :-)) (inside joke). There will be interest shown in what you have. I'll keep the list posted in addition to mailers to prior attendees and subscribers to the KR newsletter. Dana Overall RIchmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 05:05:19 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Mapquest there is a program called NavCalc you can download the "lite" version from www.look-up.com I use it a lot and its pretty good. Doesnt have all the airports but its pretty current. What do you expect for free. Its a great tool when used in conjunction with Cirrus for Duats Rich Parker >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >From: Micheal Mims >Subject: KR: Mapquest >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >Does anyone know of a internet site that will do direct (air miles) from >city to city like Mapquest does for driving? >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 949.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:46:32 -0400 From: smithr Subject: KR: elev hinge problems licked Hi gang! Sorry I missed the Oklahoma fly-in but I've been busy building. I had some trouble doing the elevator hinges so I thought I'd write a few lines that might help someone else. I thought that putting in the O*lite bearings in would be the hard part .....but that was easy. I thought putting the male/female "c" stock together per plans would be easy....but that was hard. To put in the O*lite bushings I just drilled the correct size hole, pressed in the bearing, and used Loctite Weld to hold it in place. No problems. Looks very strong (I did need two 1/32" ply shims on the spars because the bushings caused the overall hinge dimension to be 2/32 smaller than plans). Here's the big problem: The two hinge pieces fit too tightly together. So I spent (too) many hours sanding a few thousandths away for a good fit. I'm also using a thin teflon washer between them. Mike Mims fortunately warned me that if you tightened the bolts too much on installation they would squeeze inward so I allowed for that. But after installation to the spars they were still too tight. So I did the only thing left to do: bend them apart a few thousandths. This seemed to work well. Then I sprayed the aluminum with a telfon lubricant that goes on wet and then dries (great stuff!!). Now my only problem was how I assemble the elev to the hstab while keeping the 6 teflon washers in place This I solved by using a tiny amount of sanding disk adhesive (Sears) to stick the teflon washers to the male hinge. I put it all together and it works very smoothly & looks very strong.. The 3/16 hinge/spar bolts were first coated with dope (not the threads), dried, and epoxied in place with back-up plates per plans. (dope ensured that I could break the bolt free for later removal if needed). Lock nuts were floxxed in place. I might add that if I were to do it over again, I would be tempted to use Don Reids method where the hinge pieces don't nest inside. This would allow you to put in any washer thickness you want with no problems and no sanding away of metal needed. Bob Smith (PS, I'm sending a check to keep KRnet in the air) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:17:49 EDT From: JKM001@aol.com Subject: KR: Kr overall Hello. I have a couple of concerns and questions about the KR2S. First of all the sensitivity problem. Why is it there? Is the cg more tan 25% of the MAC, or is it due to the small tail surfaces? I guess the bottom line is , is this airplane unsafe? Another thing is has anyone ever increased the tail surfaces, if so how much? Please send measurements if available or drawings. As far as composite goes, I do not like it. I was considering using ply skins on the wings and tail areas followed by a coat of epoxy, sanded and apply auto paint with an additive to keep the paint flexible. Any thoughts on this? The KR is a great looking plane, just a couple of concerns about safety cross my mind every time I think about it. If I am worrying needlessly someone let me know, but just like you I want to enjoy flying not worrying about it. Any and all comments are welcome. Tahnks Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:46:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: Kr overall On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 JKM001@aol.com wrote: > Hello. I have a couple of concerns and questions about the KR2S. > First of all the sensitivity problem. Why is it there? Is the cg more tan 25% > of the MAC, or is it due to the small tail surfaces? > I guess the bottom line is , is this airplane unsafe? > > Another thing is has anyone ever increased the tail surfaces, if so how much? > Please send measurements if available or drawings. > > As far as composite goes, I do not like it. I was considering using ply skins > on the wings and tail areas followed by a coat of epoxy, sanded and apply auto > paint with an additive to keep the paint flexible. Any thoughts on this? > > The KR is a great looking plane, just a couple of concerns about safety cross > my mind every time I think about it. If I am worrying needlessly someone let > me know, but just like you I want to enjoy flying not worrying about it. > Any and all comments are welcome. > > Tahnks > > Keith > Keith, This is a bit premature but, we have a highly respected aeronautical engineer going through a complete stability analysis of the KR-2, KR-2S and several -2 and -2S versions with extended span stabilizers. THis is so that we can have recommendations for the builders desiring to use the new laminar flow airfoils that were developed this Summer specifically for the KRs. THere are several KR-2 and KR-2S aircraft that are being modified with various combinations of new wings and new tails. This should put to bed once and for all exactly what the stability, of the various configurations, actually is. THe math and the test pilot results will be published for professional review. THe answers are forth coming, just be patient a little longer. I don't have an opinion on the wood skins. I did see a beautiful Pulsar with wood wings at our local EAA Chapter's end of summer fly-in and he liked the wood skins over the composite ones FWIW. Steve Eberhart - ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:23:34 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Kr overall JKM001@aol.com wrote: > > Hello. I have a couple of concerns and questions about the KR2S. > First of all the sensitivity problem. Why is it there? Is the cg more tan 25% > of the MAC, or is it due to the small tail surfaces? Well if you want to call it a "problem" (some do not like to refer to it as such) then the answer is yes, and yes. The plans allow for a CG as far aft as 35% (crazy in my book) and the horizontal tail is just slightly (by about 2 square feet) to small. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:12:21 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Ceramic Coating of Exhaust Manifold Well today I called around town looking for a place that could Nickel plate my 4->1 exhaust manifold so that I could wrap it in Fiberglass like Jim Faughn's KR. I have the fiberglass tape, and kept thinking I wanted to use it. Most everyone who could do the plating wanted to see the manifold so off it came, and into the truck. It turns out it had to be sandblasted before plating, and one of the shops that did Powdercoating and sandblasting, had a line on a place that can double coat the inside and outside of the Exhaust stack with a ceramic coating. This is supposed to have a LIFETIME warrenty, whereas I'm told that Nickel plating can wear off in my application. Who am I to argue, it turned out that the Nickel Plating guy thought it would be cheaper for me to go the Ceramic route. Soo... I just shipped off my exhaust manifold to a THERMALcoat place here in Oregon for ceramic coating. This will set me back about $175.00. So while I'm waiting for the Exhaust manifold to come back hopefully I can finish the Ailerons and the wire up the fuel senders for the wing tanks, then when it gets back I can taxi around... Oh yea, I busted my brazed rudder pedals stomping on the breaks during a engine start test... soo, I'm going to buy some REAL rudder pedals from Jeanette, (It looks like getting a set welded up here will cost about the same $$$), and I don't have the time to play with buying and setting up a welding outfit. I just want to taxi around this winter! - -- Regards Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:23:28 EDT From: Sheetsg@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: inquiry thanks mike.. hopefully i can attend the next gathering ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:25:25 EDT From: Sheetsg@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: inquiry I'll check it out Gordon. Thanks. As soon as I get some pics of my plane I'll emial them to you. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:17:50 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: neat resources http://www.sierra.net/skyranch/article.htm zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:34:21 -0400 From: "R.W. Moore" Subject: KR: Re: 1999 KR Gathering Where is Ky. Lake? I plan to come with my (new)TURBO (1835CC) KR1 with my invention "MISSING LINK"(c) vacuum pump drive system for Volkswagen airplane engine installed. I hope the lake is around Richmond, Ky that is just across the mountain from me in Toccoa, Ga. R. W. Moore MPA Company POB 622 Toccoa, GA. 30577-1410 706-779-3446 fax 779-2302 - -----Original Message----- From: KR2616TJ@aol.com To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 8:04 AM Subject: KR: 1999 KR Gathering >OK, gang you're the first to know!!!! > >The 1999 KR Gathering will be held at Lake Barkley State Park Sept. 24th & >25th. 1-800-325-1708. This park is located across the lake from Kentucky Dam >State Park in far western KY and offers a more secluded runway, plus they have >rooms available. Offered at the park are: 4800 X 100 asphalt (as opposed to >the pilots fault) runway, 100 LL plus Jet A for those turbine KRs, lodge rooms >from $48.45 to $56.95, two bedroom cabins set in the woods surrrounding the >lake for $127.50, golf, tennis, pool, boat rental, nature trails. I've tried >to make it so that your family might be interested in coming and enable them >to have something to do other than hang around the airport and swap lies with >us KR guys. > >I do not have the room contract in my hands yet but they are holding 88 lodge >rooms and 8 cabins for us. You will not be able to make reservations until I >return the signed contract, which they should be getting to me in about a >week. Wait until I post the go ahead and them make your reservations as soon >as possible. These accomodations will be held for us only up to 60 days prior >to the gathering. The unused rooms and cabins will be offered back to the >public at that time. Additional rooms are available in Cadiz, KY. > >My plan for this gathering, in addition to the pilots flying at their >pleasure, is to offer the builder forums on all aspects of building with a >forum on basic KR woodworking and progressing in construction order all the >way to test flying. I plan on having these forums start on the hour from two >different booths with each one lasting 45 mins. and the next one already set >up and ready to go on the hour after the prior one has been completed. This >will give you time to grab a coke, or whatever, in between forums. I'll post >a request for those interested in conducting a forum (they are fun to do guys) >to get involved. It would amaze you to see the interest, and appreciation, by >those who attend these. What we sometimes consider to be basic information is >a rocket science to others just starting, so get involved here guys, it's >everyone's gathering. > >Some of you younger guys (under 42, I'll explain if you ask) plan on coming. >The same planes have been showing up for the last couple of >gatherings...............show us what you have, bring what you got, even if >you have to trailor it in........if it's not flyable :-)) (inside joke). >There will be interest shown in what you have. > >I'll keep the list posted in addition to mailers to prior attendees and >subscribers to the KR newsletter. > >Dana Overall >RIchmond, KY >mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 05:06:40 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Kentucky Dam State Park Info >Here's the URL for info on Kentucky Dam State Park: > >http://www.state.ky.us/agencies/parks/kydam2.htm > >Take a look, it should make for a great gathering next year, something for the >whole family! How about pushing the gathering back to August that way the kids and wives who teach can go before school starts? Richard E. Parker Jaffrey, NH theparkers@monad.net richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 06:54:52 -0600 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR: Re: 1999 KR Gathering Using my handy dandy ground-based aviation GPS unit, it is near Cadiz, KY. The airport identifier is 1M9. It is on the east side of that lake. Coordinates are 87:54 W and 36:49 N (degrees: minutes). It is located 918 statute miles from where I am sitting in Falcon, CO (heading 84 deg magnetic) Ron Lee At 09:34 PM 9/28/98 -0400, you wrote: >Where is Ky. Lake? I plan to come with my (new)TURBO (1835CC) KR1 with my >invention "MISSING LINK"(c) vacuum pump drive system for Volkswagen >airplane engine installed. I hope the lake is around Richmond, Ky that is >just across the mountain from me in Toccoa, Ga. >R. W. Moore >MPA Company >POB 622 >Toccoa, GA. 30577-1410 > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:37:08 EDT From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Kentucky Dam State Park Info In a message dated 9/29/98 7:22:02 AM Central Daylight Time, richontheroad@hotmail.com writes: > How about pushing the gathering back to August that way the kids and > wives who teach can go before school starts? August is WAY too hot and humid in this part of the country. As far as the wife and kids go, we've scheduled a family vacation around the gathering, taking time off from work and taking the kids out of school for a couple of days. Expecting it to be a great time again! Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 07:37:17 -0700 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: Re: KR: inquiry OK on that. JPG files are the best I'll make a section for Members KR Pictures. Anybody looking for some spare parts and engines I am listing stuff for Mike Fisher for sale on my web site also. He sold out to FFP and is clearing out the goodies, couple three fisher aero planes go too. I'm not connected with Fisher Aero, was just asked for help. Gordon Sheetsg@aol.com wrote: > I'll check it out Gordon. > > Thanks. > > As soon as I get some pics of my plane I'll emial them to you. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:19:52 +0200 From: Kobus de Wet Subject: RE: KR: Kr overall Locally the KR-2 is limited to 20% forward and 28% aft C of G Kobus ( slow progress with the test flying) de Wet Cape Town, South Africa GMT + 2.00 http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw/ - ---------- From: Micheal Mims[SMTP:mikemims@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, September 28, 1998 23:23 To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: Re: KR: Kr overall JKM001@aol.com wrote: > > Hello. I have a couple of concerns and questions about the KR2S. > First of all the sensitivity problem. Why is it there? Is the cg more tan 25% > of the MAC, or is it due to the small tail surfaces? Well if you want to call it a "problem" (some do not like to refer to it as such) then the answer is yes, and yes. The plans allow for a CG as far aft as 35% (crazy in my book) and the horizontal tail is just slightly (by about 2 square feet) to small. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:34:01 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Lake Barkley State Park Gathering. In a message dated 98-09-29 09:39:16 EDT, you write: << As far as the wife and kids go, we've scheduled a family vacation around the gathering, taking time off from work and taking the kids out of school for a couple of days. Expecting it to be a great time again! >> Guys let's do away with the reference to Kentucky Dam State Park........the gathering will be held at Lake Barkley State Park. These two parks are about 30 miles apart. The two lakes are huge and run north to south, parallel to each other and run from KY to TN. Let's try and refer to the gathering as Lake Barkley State Park so we don't have any confusion. Remember the number is 1-800-325-1708 but don't call for a couple of weeks as I don't have the room contract in hand yet. Remember, we are trying to make this as "family" as possible. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:13:12 -0700 From: Peter Hudson Subject: KR: speaking of exhausts... Hi Gang, Yes, Speaking of exhausts (ceramic coatings and such). I just hung my revmaster on the firewall. The exhaust I had, came from a dragonfly. I also have the Rand-Revmaster cowl. I found I had to take off the exhaust to get the cowl on. No big deal really as it was old and rusty. The thing is I need a new exhaust which will work. Options: 1) hack up the old one and or any old VW manifold and sloppily weld up a shape that works. then have someone make one in stainless. 2) get some new flanges and tubes and tack together one (I don't know if I'd trust my own welding for an exhaust). Have it welded, paint it and be done. 3) same as 2) but with a ceramic coat for longevity and heat management. any suggestions? Any comments on relative price? Also I cant find my book on exhaust design but if it fits I'd like to try tuning the exhaust. Probably a 4 into 2 into 1. If nothing else I'd like not to have incorrect lengths hurting my performance. I think I'd like a muffler or at least the option. I guess while I'm at it I'd like 20 free horsepower, 5 lbs total weight and lots of extra room in the cowl ;) Any tips on the design? This might be a better question for the VW list. Does anyone know the subscribe procedure for that one? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:27:03 PDT From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: N numbers Any one know if you can reserve an "N" number online? if not does anyone know who I contact to reserve one. Please e-mail me off-Net Richard E. Parker Jaffrey, NH theparkers@monad.net richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #155 *****************************