From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 1:56 PM To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #158 krnet-l-digest Thursday, October 8 1998 Volume 02 : Number 158 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:30:50 EDT From: SRMAKISH@aol.com Subject: KR: Re:out of town Hi Warron. I am going to Ca. (San Fran) on the 4th. Will be back in a couple of weeks i hope. Should have all my linkage etc all set up for this new intake and carb and do some test flights. Talk to you when I get back. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 04:28:44 -0400 From: "WARRON GRAY" Subject: Re: KR: Subarus No it is too heavy if you are talking about the six cylinder. better of with ea-81 or big vw. Warron - -----Original Message----- From: CruzJ12@aol.com To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Saturday, October 03, 1998 4:57 PM Subject: Re: KR: Subarus >Is the Subaru XT turbo coupe motor a good engine for a Kr? > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:12:23 EDT From: CruzJ12@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Subarus thanks Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:40:25 EDT From: KRkip@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: N numbers Jim i have responded to both your emails,maybe there is a problem with your addresse so i will try to reach you on the krnet here.I would be happy to give you some stick time. Email me off the net at krkip@aol.com or call at 207 794 6450. Sorry to use the krnet for this message guys i am just trying to help out a fellow KR pilot Kip ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 19:22:11 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins At 07:55 AM 10/1/98 -0700, you wrote: >I like working with wood and fiberglass, at one time in my job history I did >tooling for making vacuum bagged fiberglass parts. I also worked as an aircraft >machinist for both McDonald Douglas and Rockwell on the B-1 Bomber. I love wood, >smells good, feels good. I am 56 years old, if I build a wood/glass airplane and >it last for 20 years I think I would be too old to fly it. > >Gordon > I don't know why you would be too old, my Dad is still flying his KR and he is 77 years old. His KR is only 14 years old, a teenager. Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 19:32:23 -0500 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins At 08:23 PM 10/1/98 +0000, you wrote: >excess builder weight in manufacturing is my only concern, not >longivity. steve > I would be concerned with the over performance and complexity in a KR. I am only saying this based upon what I observed at Perry, OK. Am I wrong? I've been wrong before. I have seen Steve's Subaru power KR and it seems to do A.O.K.. Maybe, it's the conversion that is so critical. Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:44:44 EDT From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: KR: WANTED: Wing Attach Fittings Does anyone have an extra set of rear spar wing attach fittings they would be willing to sell? A friend of mine bought a project that is missing these parts, and I advised him that they are tough to make, based on what I've seen here on KRNet. He's got the ones for the front spar, he just needs the ones for the rear spar. Thanks in advance for your help, please email me directly if you've got a set. Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 18:29:32 -0700 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: Re: KR: Wing Skins I like hearing about these much older pilots and builders. Makes me think the good life is still ahead of me. My Dad always said I was just a kid, even before he died when I was 49. Wonder if any of these plans sellers give Senior Discount after 55. I think I heard someone 83 yrs old was just starting another building project, That is really neet to hear. When I went to my first meeting at EAA Chap 1000 their was an older gentleman that spoke with me before the meeting, He just joined last month, I noticed nobody payed any attention to him at all. That strikes me as not right, I think I will adapt him as he may need help on a project and I have not started mine yet. Although alot of people join just to be part of something and not planning to build anything. Gordon Dreaming/Planning Bobby Muse wrote: > At 07:55 AM 10/1/98 -0700, you wrote: > >I like working with wood and fiberglass, at one time in my job history I did > >tooling for making vacuum bagged fiberglass parts. I also worked as an aircraft > >machinist for both McDonald Douglas and Rockwell on the B-1 Bomber. I love > wood, > >smells good, feels good. I am 56 years old, if I build a wood/glass > airplane and > >it last for 20 years I think I would be too old to fly it. > > > >Gordon > > > > I don't know why you would be too old, my Dad is still flying his KR and he > is 77 years old. His KR is only 14 years old, a teenager. > > Bobby Muse > mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 18:36:01 PDT From: "Shawn T" Subject: KR: Contact! Magazine Does anyone know where I can get a current copy of Contact! magazine in Ontario, Canada? I am interested in the Subaru articles. Thanks Shawn ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:15:45 EDT From: CruzJ12@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Subarus I am talking about the 1800 cc 4 cylinder motor. They came in 85 to 88 subaru XT turbo coupes. I have two of them. gonna look at the blocks tonight ......either ea-81, or ea-82 motors..........thanks for the info......Joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 20:30:46 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Subarus At 05:15 PM 10/5/98 EDT, you wrote: >I am talking about the 1800 cc 4 cylinder motor. They came in 85 to 88 subaru XT turbo coupes. I have two of them. gonna look at the blocks tonight ......either ea-81, or ea-82 motors..........thanks for the info......Joe > > Ahh not the SVX motor! I think you will find you have a EA-82 in that animal. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:51:09 -0500 From: "Brian J. Bland" Subject: KR: Re: Contact! Magazine Try looking at: http://www.nonprofitnet.com/CONTACT/ This site will give you info on subscribing or just getting back issues. Brian J Bland Claremore, OK Mail to: bbland@gateway.net http://www.flight2000.com/hangar/KR-2S/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 01:25:26 -0700 From: "Benny Skyn" Subject: KR: h stabilizer weight??? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BDF0C8.3285D900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A friend told me of the danger of epoxy seeping into the foam w/out the = use of filler. This adds tremendous weight upon completion of the = project. I did not use filler when glassing my h stabilizer and I am = wondering if there are any builders who have weighed the horizontal stab = of a successful craft. Mine weighs 5.9 pounds(94.4 ounces). The craft is = a kr-1. 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A friend told me of the danger of = epoxy seeping=20 into the foam w/out the use of filler. This adds tremendous weight upon=20 completion of the project. I did not use filler when glassing my h = stabilizer=20 and I am wondering if there are any builders who have weighed the = horizontal=20 stab of a successful craft. Mine weighs 5.9 pounds(94.4 ounces). The = craft is a=20 kr-1.
 
Thanks,
Benny = Skyn
- ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BDF0C8.3285D900-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:32:08 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: h stabilizer weight??? Benny Skyn wrote: > > A friend told me of the danger of epoxy seeping into the foam w/out > the use of filler. This adds tremendous weight upon completion of the > project. I did not use filler when glassing my h stabilizer and I am > wondering if there are any builders who have weighed the horizontal > stab of a successful craft. Mine weighs 5.9 pounds(94.4 ounces). The > craft is a kr-1. That weight does not sound bad at all. My KR2XL elevator came in at about 14-15#, but that was completed and ready for paint, and included balance weights. Adding a slurry of micro and epoxy will help reduce the amount of epoxy that soaks into the foam. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:20:15 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: KR: T4 VW-Cheap! Anyone interested in a big block VW? There is a guy in Carrboro, NC who has a 2L engine for sale for $100.00. It would be a good starting point. Better hurry, it will go fast. Contact- Morris@cmr.sph.unc.edu Tom tomc@afn.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:14:51 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Re: h stabilizer weight??? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01BDF101.63F42D50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Benny Skyn wrote: >Mine weighs 5.9 pounds(94.4 ounces). The craft is a kr-1. Mine was about 7.5 pounds, but it's also 84" long and has five hinges = rather than two. Excess epoxy certainly adds to the overall weight, but = I don't know if I'd call it "tremendous". I think porkers are made of = too many creature comforts and avionics, as well as the failure to take = advantage of lightening wherever it presents itself. For example, I = replaced the 1/4" plywood seatback that weighs almost 5 pounds with a = foam/glass sandwich that weight 2.5 pounds. And pared my fuel sending = units down from 22.5 ounces to 2.3 ounces. If you keep that kind of = stuff up, before you know it you'll have saved some weight... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford - ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01BDF101.63F42D50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Benny Skyn wrote:
 
>Mine weighs 5.9 pounds(94.4 ounces). The craft is a kr-1.
 
Mine was about 7.5 pounds, but it's = also=20 84" long and has five hinges rather than two.  Excess epoxy = certainly=20 adds to the overall weight, but I don't know if I'd call it=20 "tremendous".  I think porkers are made of too many = creature=20 comforts and avionics, as well as the failure to take advantage of = lightening=20 wherever it presents itself.  For example, I replaced the 1/4" = plywood=20 seatback that weighs almost 5 pounds with a foam/glass sandwich that = weight 2.5=20 pounds.  And pared my fuel sending units down from 22.5 ounces to = 2.3=20 ounces.   If you keep that kind of stuff up, before you know = it you'll=20 have saved some weight...
 
Mark Langford,  Huntsville, = Alabama
mailto:langford@hiwaay.net
see= KR2S=20 project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langfor= d
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01BDF101.63F42D50-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 07:45:28 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: h stabilizer weight??? Benny Skyn wrote: > > A friend told me of the danger of epoxy seeping into the foam w/out > the use of filler. This adds tremendous weight upon completion of the > project. I did not use filler when glassing my h stabilizer and I am > wondering if there are any builders who have weighed the horizontal > stab of a successful craft. Mine weighs 5.9 pounds(94.4 ounces). The > craft is a kr-1. > > Thanks, > Benny Skyn On a part as small as the stabilizer you will not gain a "tremendous" amount of weight using pure epoxy. For the rest of your foam and glass work be sure to use slurry under the glass. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,.. Putting the engine back together again! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:56:14 EDT From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Re: h stabilizer weight??? In a message dated 98-10-06 09:13:11 EDT, you write: << Mine weighs 5.9 pounds(94.4 ounces). The craft is a kr-1 >> I am in process of building a stabilizer (KR2S) and 5.lbs seems reasonable according to my calculations amnd material weigh ins. Haris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 10:31:12 -0700 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: Re: KR: T4 VW-Cheap! Yes but I'm in So. Calif. Gordon Tom Crawford wrote: > Anyone interested in a big block VW? There is a guy in Carrboro, NC who > has a 2L engine for sale for $100.00. > It would be a good starting point. Better hurry, it will go fast. > > Contact- > > Morris@cmr.sph.unc.edu > > Tom > tomc@afn.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 19:57:25 -0400 From: "Anthony D. Zuress" Subject: KR: unsubscribe Hello. Please unsubscibe me. I´m short of time at the moment. Thank you, Tony ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 19:18:53 -0500 From: kh Subject: KR: unsubscibe Hello. Please unsubscibe me. I´m short of time at the moment. Thank you, Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:55:22 EDT From: Afzoomer@aol.com Subject: KR: unsubscribe unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 20:35:27 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: T4 VW-Cheap! watch out for heads on 2.0 l engine. may trash entire engine if not cautious. steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 20:42:29 -0600 From: Wayne and Kathy Subject: Re: KR: h stabilizer weight??? Benny Skyn wrote: > > A friend told me of the danger of epoxy seeping into the foam w/out > the use of filler. This adds tremendous weight upon completion of the > project. I did not use filler when glassing my h stabilizer and I am > wondering if there are any builders who have weighed the horizontal > stab of a successful craft. Mine weighs 5.9 pounds(94.4 ounces). The > craft is a kr-1. > > Thanks, > Benny Skyn Don't worry about it, 5.9 lbs is fine. Remember that the prototypy was done without filler. also the bond between the cloth and the fabric is important and filler would weaken that bond. Weight generally comes from the things that we "add" and not a small variation of technique. "Keep it light" means to follow the plans and not to second guess the designer. Don't get me wrong, the KR series is a great design to show your creativity on ,I'm on my second one and neither is "stock". Have fun. Wayne Tokarz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 21:57:56 -0500 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: h stabilizer weight??? Don, how did you installl your weights? Rich McCall Junction City, KS Donald Reid wrote: > Benny Skyn wrote: > > > > A friend told me of the danger of epoxy seeping into the foam w/out > > the use of filler. This adds tremendous weight upon completion of the > > project. I did not use filler when glassing my h stabilizer and I am > > wondering if there are any builders who have weighed the horizontal > > stab of a successful craft. Mine weighs 5.9 pounds(94.4 ounces). The > > craft is a kr-1. > > That weight does not sound bad at all. My KR2XL elevator came in at > about 14-15#, but that was completed and ready for paint, and included > balance weights. > > Adding a slurry of micro and epoxy will help reduce the amount of epoxy > that soaks into the foam. > > -- > Don Reid > Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com > KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm > Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:38:04 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: KR: Copperstate Anyone besides Troy Johnson and me gonna make it to the Copperstate Fly-in in Phoenix this weekend. I promise, I'll bring the plane this time. :o) Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 08:28:23 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: T4 VW-Cheap! Great Plains Aircraft wrote: > > watch out for heads on 2.0 l engine. may trash entire engine if not > cautious. steve Steve, Could you elaborate a little on this subject? Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 08:44:34 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: h stabilizer weight??? rmccall wrote: > > Don, > > how did you installl your weights? (Elevator balance) 1) Outboard of the elevator ribs, I added a 3/8" thick spacer, with the same profile as the rib. 2) Outboard of the spacer, I added a full length rib made from 1/4" birch plywood. 3) Outboard of the plywood rib, I glued on 2" of foam. 4) The stab/elevator were foamed and glassed as one piece, with hinges permanently installed, but with a 3/16" rod temporarily used in place of the hinge bolts. 5) After glass cure, I cut out the elevator and glassed the leading edge of the elevator. 6) The balance weights are bolted to the 1/4" birch plywood rib, in a cavity in the foam that was added in step 3. 7) For the elevator weights, I cast lead in a wooden mold and then drilled holes in it, and trimed some off until the elevator balanced. Drilling holes in lead is a real treat. The lead is so soft it will bind the drill bit. 8) For rudder balance weights, I used Number 8 lead shot, mixed into a slurry with epoxy. That is the lazy man's way out. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:03:49 -0400 From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: Re: KR: T4 VW-Cheap! At 08:35 PM 10/6/98 +0000, you wrote: >watch out for heads on 2.0 l engine. may trash entire engine if not >cautious. steve I was able to contact the guy last night. I think we have a deal, but he hasn't got back to me yet with directions on how to get to his place. Basicly, the engine is a long block with 260K miles on it. He said it was running when removed and replaced with a recon long block. He said that there was metal shavings in the oil screen, but it should be rebuildable. We'll see. He only lives about 150 miles from me. If this is on the up & up, I should have the engine by this weekend. WD Wayne DeLisle Sr. FidoNet: 1:379/33 Email:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 08:08:46 -0700 From: Gordon Brimhall Subject: Re: KR: T4 VW-Cheap! Explain your comment please. Are these heads other than from Great Plains? Are Great Plains Heads the only ones that work on a VW? (G) Gordon Great Plains Aircraft wrote: > watch out for heads on 2.0 l engine. may trash entire engine if not > cautious. steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:50:46 -0400 From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: KR: Re: A little Prose...(long) Email (reply) to cary@storm.ca or ve3ev@rac.ca Web page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/ KR2 area http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2.shtml - ---------- > From: Peter Hudson > > Just for fun here's a little story of how my building sometimes goes. > No good technical info but maybe some shared experience to keep you > building. > Were you looking over my shoulder or something? Add to your prose "The Tale of the Mis-Mounted Intale Manifold", "The Case of the Too Hot Exhaust Pipe" and its sequel "How to Mend a Burnt Cowl Face" and lastly "Extending The Prop Hub in 5 Easy Lessons". - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:12:33 -0400 From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: Re: KR: T4 VW-Cheap! What Steve is refering to is that some T-4 heads have had problems with dropped valve seats. I've heard that also from several people. However, I personally have never talked to someone with a T-4 engine that actually had it happen to them. Since my last post, the guy with the T-4 has sent me a good history of the engine. It is out of a 77 van and he is the 3 owner. The engine had a top overhaul at about 120K miles and new pistons/barrels and a valve job at about 220K miles. The case has never been split, everything inside is original. He said it was running just fine without any problems, but the last few oil changes he was finding some metalic filings in the filter and just decided to replace the engine before it failed on him. The engine is a long block without any accessorys, flywheel or tin. Still, it looks like it will be a good base for KR power plant. I expect to build my own intake and exaust manifolds, but I will need a carb, flywheel, starter, alternator and prop hub, at least. Any recomendations on these items are welcome. I hope to have this engine running by next summer, witch is the soonest that I will be able to start on an airframe. Maybe by then I will be able to pickup an unfinished project. WD At 08:08 AM 10/7/98 -0700, you wrote: >Explain your comment please. > >Are these heads other than from Great Plains? > >Are Great Plains Heads the only ones that work on a VW? (G) > >Gordon > > >Great Plains Aircraft wrote: > >> watch out for heads on 2.0 l engine. may trash entire engine if not >> cautious. steve > > > Wayne DeLisle Sr. Email:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:21:18 EDT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: Cowling This is somewhat aimed at Tom Crawford but if anyone has any info on the subject throw it out, the KRnet had been a little bit slow lately. My 2180 is mounted with two inch spacers between the engine mount and accessory case. Using the force one prop hub bearing, my hub is extended furthur from the front of the case than with the standard crank. I have a standard KR2 cowling that I have added material to at the rear. My question is, will I have to use a prop spacer if I decide to order a RR revmaster cowling? Tom, was your spacer necessary for the cowling to clear the front of the valve covers? If I'm able to go with the revmaster cowling I'll have a standard KR2 cowling for sale. Why you ask, I just like the looks of the revmaster cowling. Man, if I have to add a spacer to the front of this thing (seems like I'm putting off flying this thing doesn't it? :-)) the prop is going to stick out so far that it's going to look like I've got one of the full throttle turbines on it, but as we all know all I've got is a little poodle 2180 :-)). Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:19:33 -0400 From: "WARRON GRAY" Subject: KR: Re: Re: A little Prose...(long) Me to, i've got a two page story on how to order the correct length bolts for the prop drive flange and how to screw it up. Warron - -----Original Message----- From: Cary Honeywell To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 12:01 PM Subject: KR: Re: A little Prose...(long) >Email (reply) to cary@storm.ca > or ve3ev@rac.ca >Web page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/ >KR2 area http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2.shtml > >---------- >> From: Peter Hudson >> >> Just for fun here's a little story of how my building sometimes goes. >> No good technical info but maybe some shared experience to keep you >> building. >> > >Were you looking over my shoulder or something? Add to your prose "The Tale >of the Mis-Mounted Intale Manifold", "The Case of the Too Hot Exhaust Pipe" >and its sequel "How to Mend a Burnt Cowl Face" and lastly "Extending The >Prop Hub in 5 Easy Lessons". > >- Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:48:48 EDT From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: KR: KR-2 Wing Tips For Sale My buddy Charlie Willison has a pair of stock KR-2 wing tips he is willing to part with for $20 plus shipping. If you're interested, you can call him at (314) 928-7843, or email him at mlwcrw@aol.com. I don't know how often he checks his email, so you will probably be better off calling him. He is in St. Charles MO. Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 17:20:05 PDT From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Shirts are ready! Hello, Netters' I have a box of 30 KRNet polo/golf shirts ready to ship! And just in time for winter, too! In order to maybe simplify this, I'll try to give the info here all at once: I have received orders from the following folks. Check to see if you're there, and expect an e-mail from me about where to send your money and a verification of size and quantity you ordered. They are $30 U.S., postpaid. Foreign orders will be that plus actual shipping cost. If you don't see your name here, e-mail me P_R_I_V_A_T_E_L_Y, please!--- greyeagle_club@yahoo.com johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net t88@primenet.com **(you get Serial No. 1, bubba!)** BSHADR@aol.com mikemims@pacbell.net newtech@newtech.com langford@hiwaay.net rossy@teleport.com ronlee@pcisys.net dgmoore1@gte.net jscott@lanl.gov help@pneutronics.com tomkr2s@worldnet.att.net jeroffey@tir.com I must say that they came out really nice. We can now get any number of items with the logo embroidered on: sweatshirts, jackets, caps, tees, whatever you guys want... all we need to to is gather 6 items at a time and they can do them. We can mix items to get to 6, such as two caps, one jacket, one long-sleeve dress shirt, two persian cats (a little humor there). Sorry to bog the net down here with this stuff, but maybe you'll bear with me so I won't have as much e-mailing to do to individuals. Anybody interested in customized garments with KRNet logo, let me know and I'll get a price. Of the 30 shirts ordered, 18 are spoken for. I have remaining 1 size S, 2 M, 4 L, 4 XL, and 1 XXL. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:29:13 -0700 From: g hamilton Subject: KR: KR control cables Can someone confirm the specs on the control cables. My set of plans don't have any reference. Is 1/8 inch, 7x19 galvanized standard? Gary Hamilton Ghami@gtwn.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:07:25 -0400 (EDT) From: jeroffey@tir.com (jeroffey) Subject: KR: Tail post joint I'm joining the sides to the tail post now. What i'm seeing is the angle formed by the sides and the gap in the joint at the straight tail post. If I taper the tail post to meet the sides in the angle presented by the two sides meeting at the post, I will no longer be able to maintain the 1.75 in width at the rear of the fusalage. What has everyone else done to make up this joint? John Roffey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:22:27 -0700 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Tail post joint At 11:07 PM 10/7/98 -0400, you wrote: >I'm joining the sides to the tail post now. What i'm seeing is the angle >formed by the sides and the gap in the joint at the straight tail post.>> Aint this fun! I added just enough taper to make it work. This is one of those areas that if I had it to do again,.......... Well I would consider making the tail post wider or using two 5/8 square members on each side of the tail post. More room in the area of the elevator belcrank would be a huge blessing! All one would have to do is add a little extra foam to the lower part of the rudder to fair in the extra width of the fuselage. Yep wished I would have done it that way but,..... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290,..Putting the engine back together now! mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:13:02 -0700 From: GEORGE ROBERTSON Subject: Re: KR: Tail post joint At 11:07 PM 10/7/98 -0400, you wrote: >I'm joining the sides to the tail post now. What i'm seeing is the angle >formed by the sides and the gap in the joint at the straight tail post. If I >taper the tail post to meet the sides in the angle >presented by the two sides meeting at the post, I will no longer be able to >maintain the 1.75 in width at the rear of the fusalage. >What has everyone else done to make up this joint? >John Roffey >HI JOHN I TAPERED THE TAIL POST ONLY AS FAR AS THE FUSELAGE. GEORGE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:19:19 -0700 From: GEORGE ROBERTSON Subject: Re: KR: KR control cables At 09:29 PM 10/8/98 -0700, you wrote: >Can someone confirm the specs on the control cables. My set of plans don't have any reference. Is 1/8 inch, 7x19 galvanized standard? > >Gary Hamilton >Ghami@gtwn.net >HI GARY I'M USING 3/32" GEORGE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:25:36 -0400 From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: KR: Re: Cowling Email (reply) to cary@storm.ca or ve3ev@rac.ca Web page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/ KR2 area http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2.shtml - ---------- > From: KR2616TJ@aol.com > Man, if I have to add a spacer to the front of this thing (seems like I'm > putting off flying this thing doesn't it? :-)) the prop is going to stick out > so far that it's going to look like I've got one of the full throttle turbines > on it, but as we all know all I've got is a little poodle 2180 :-)). > > Dana Overall I didn't order my bolts until after I had fitted the cowl. Mine was a stock Revmaster. With the engine mounting I had, I found that I would have needed a 6" flange to mount the prop. I cut back until the flange was flush with the front of the cowl. Any further back and the air intake will look like the cowl on a radial. I trimmed around the oil filter and around both the vacuum pump and exhaust pipe. Once that was done, I mounted the prop flange, prop and crush plate. It looked just fine. I ran the engine, sans prop, to get some engine readings (you don't run the prop in your garage) and gradually the front pilot side of th cowl changed colors: to black. Next came the prop spinner. Oops! I had trimmed too much. A trip to the local aluminum emporium resulted in a 3/4 inch T-6061 prop flange. It balanced nicely so I mounted it and put the cowl back on, re-attached the prop and spinner: Voila! Ok, so now I have to remove the cowl to attend to something on the carb. Uh...the cowl can't be removed while the prop spinner is on. Not enough clearance between the spinner and the hole through which the flange exits the cowl. Out comes the hacksaw, and I make a bigger hole. In my other job as an IT professional, I am used to the term "Cut and Paste". Never though it would apply the aircraft construction. - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:53:27 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: T4 VW-Cheap! Wayne DeLisle Sr. wrote: > > What Steve is refering to is that some T-4 heads have had problems with > dropped valve > seats. but I will need a carb, > flywheel, starter, alternator and prop hub, at least. > > Any recomendations on these items are welcome. > > Steve is the man to see about these. There is a place in CO called Mark Stephens High Performance that GUARANTEES you will never drop a valve seat if he does your heads. While your at it, have him put in bigger valves. The 2L had the smallest valves of any of the T4 engines because of the fuel injection. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:30:14 -0400 From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: KR: Re: Cowling Email (reply) to cary@storm.ca or ve3ev@rac.ca Web page http://www.storm.ca/~cary/ KR2 area http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2.shtml - ---------- > From: KR2616TJ@aol.com By the way, you can see what I did, up to the point where I toasted my cowl, at the URL below. http://www.storm.ca/~cary/kr2-3.htm - - Cary - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 11:01:20 -0700 From: Tom Crawford Subject: Re: KR: Cowling KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > > This is somewhat aimed at Tom Crawford but if anyone has any info on the > subject throw it out, the KRnet had been a little bit slow lately. My 2180 is > mounted with two inch spacers between the engine mount and accessory case. > Using the force one prop hub bearing, my hub is extended furthur from the > front of the case than with the standard crank. I have a standard KR2 cowling > that I have added material to at the rear. My question is, will I have to use > a prop spacer if I decide to order a RR revmaster cowling? Tom, was your > spacer necessary for the cowling to clear the front of the valve covers? If > I'm able to go with the revmaster cowling I'll have a standard KR2 cowling for > sale. Why you ask, I just like the looks of the revmaster cowling. > > Man, if I have to add a spacer to the front of this thing (seems like I'm > putting off flying this thing doesn't it? :-)) the prop is going to stick out > so far that it's going to look like I've got one of the full throttle turbines > on it, but as we all know all I've got is a little poodle 2180 :-)). > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ Dana, I also used the revmaster cowl. I ended up using a 3" AL spacer to get clearance on the valve covers. I recall this as a very frustrating period of my building. By the way, I have a 1" AL prop spacer for the F1 prop hub if you could use it. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:04:36 -0400 From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: Re: KR: T4 VW-Cheap! Thanks for the info Tom. I'll check into it. Mark Langford talks about his T-4 on his web site. He apparently is going to use an early Rabbit mechanical FI system. Sounds like a good idea. Doeas anyone know what year Rabbit has this system?? WD > but I will need a carb, >> flywheel, starter, alternator and prop hub, at least. >> >> Any recomendations on these items are welcome. >> >> >Steve is the man to see about these. >There is a place in CO called Mark Stephens High Performance that >GUARANTEES you will never drop a valve seat if he does your heads. While >your at it, have him put in bigger valves. The 2L had the smallest >valves of any of the T4 engines because of the fuel injection. > >Tom Crawford >tomc@afn.org >Gainesville, FL >N262TC > Wayne DeLisle Sr. Email:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:54:18 -0700 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: [Fwd: Newbie Lurker] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------7E1CA57CAD6D4D961F8127EB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joa, I forwarded this to the list... post krnet posts to krnet-l@teleport.com krnet@krnet.org is just me (Sorry for the confusion, but it would cost $100/mo to have krnet-l@krnet.org so we use krnet-l@teleport.com instead) -- Ross - --------------7E1CA57CAD6D4D961F8127EB Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by mail1 for krnet (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.21 1997/08/10) Thu Oct 8 13:42:31 1998) X-From_: joa@teleport.com Mon Sep 28 00:49:42 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: krnet@smtp1.teleport.com Received: (qmail 3669 invoked by uid 10244); 28 Sep 1998 00:49:41 -0000 Delivered-To: krnet+krnet.org-X-krnet@krnet.org Received: (qmail 3666 invoked from network); 28 Sep 1998 00:49:41 -0000 Received: from mail2.teleport.com (192.108.254.43) by smtp1.teleport.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 1998 00:49:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 17767 invoked from network); 28 Sep 1998 00:49:39 -0000 Received: from ben01-pm3-17.teleport.com (HELO default) (198.106.134.31) by mail2.teleport.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 1998 00:49:39 -0000 Message-ID: <001b01bdea7a$25b6f960$1f866ac6@default> From: "Joa" To: Subject: Newbie Lurker Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:50:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Hey all you KRNET folks, Thought I'd pipe up and introduce myself. Name's Joa Harrison and I live in Redmond OR and work with a company that makes Titanium investment castings for the aerospace industry. Sorry to say I'm just a lurker and am not building a KR (yet anyways) but plan to start building a VP-2 and modify it some later. Actually, and don't flame me for this, but from what I've seen of KRs they're pretty similar in many ways to the VPs (yaa, I know, you'll all chip in and let me know all the ways they're *different*!) Anyway, couple of questions... I've heard of wing skins offered for the KRs. Are these precured and gel coated (no painting required)? If so how well does the precured glass adhere to the wood/foam? Also, I get digest mode, is there any way to not get all the detailed "sender/receiver/yaddayadda" info but only the messages? Thanks and I look forward to learning more all the time (just found a KR builder here in Redmond so am anxious to see his progress.) Joa Oh, all you builders in Eugene/Corvallis area, I'll be in your neck of the woods this weekend (Oct 3-4) and would love to see your progess and chat. Any of you willing? - --------------7E1CA57CAD6D4D961F8127EB-- ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #158 *****************************