From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com] Sent: Friday, October 30, 1998 5:24 PM To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #170 krnet-l-digest Friday, October 30 1998 Volume 02 : Number 170 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:37:13 -0800 From: "Tom Kilgore" Subject: KR: T4 Cranks was (Mark Stephens High Performance) - -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 8:55 AM Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance >William Thelen wrote: >> >> I see in HOT VW Magazine the SCAT ad has 2 types of forged cranks listed. >> Priced from ~$600 to ~$750 I can't find a $1500.00 crank listed from them. >> Is the higher price you are quoting because of the deep drilling? Or is the >> higher priced crank re-sold via someone else? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bill Thelen >> > >Are you looking at the SCAT crank for type 1s or type 4s? I havent >looked into this in over 2 years so maybe the prices have changed. The >price you quoted must be for a type one though. Mark knows more about >this so maybe he will pipe up? > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 949.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > I think the crank that Steve Bennet was selling for the T4 was custom made by Scat for GPASC which would account for the higher $$$$. If you use any other T4 crank I would suggest that you use a flywheel end drive system like the one Steve is now testing. Tom Kilgore Las Vegas, NV lvav8r@vegas.infi.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/1444/page1.htm __I__ _______( X )________ o/ \o ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:03:08 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: RE: Force One Hub KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-10-29 08:36:17 EST, you write: > > << It sounds like the stock crank with the F1 hub never broke. Is this what > you are saying? >> > > For those of you who are not aware of what the force one prop hub is or does, > I have pictures of my engine rebuild on my engine page. Steve at GP is very > anamate about not over torquing your prop hub to the crank...............do as > you are told here folks. > > For those of you who are considering a VW engine, a lot has already been said > on this subject here so I won't expound too much. If you are going to put any > VW in your airplane that is above an 1835, my recommendation is to go ahead > and drop the bucks and go with the Force 1 and the billet forged crank. You > can also see the stock crank beside the stroker crank on my engine page. > > I'm going out on a limb here, but I have heard that there have been no known > instances of crank failure, at least in the 2180, when someone properly > installed the 4340 crank along with the Force 1 hub. > > BTW, I upgraded my 1835 to the 2180 with F1 for under $1,600.00. > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ Based on everything I have READ over the past 10 years, I agree with Dana's assement 100%. Someday, I will either upgrade my 1835cc to 2180 with a Force 1 hub, or purchase a spare 2180cc engine to rotate in when I take the 1835cc out for overhaul. I'm thinking that compared to a Continental, I may afford to have a spare engine sitting around just so I don't tend to skimp on maintence cause I'd rather fly. - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:30:15 -0400 From: "WARRON GRAY" Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance Tom ,this is nosey Warron here again. If steve was happy with any of the vw 's ,he woudn't have put in the soob. I know that the chatter will start again but after 3 cranks Steve got tired of breaking them. as for my decision all i could see was that four of my friends broke cranks that is why i went to soob, plus faa accident reports showed too many breaking . I flew a O-200 and blew a head off of a 300 hour reman. i figure if something is gonna break i may as well lead new paths. One thing about steve as far as doing things right, Steve is the most meticulous person i have ever met . the reason i built my soob to his r&d. Warron - -----Original Message----- From: Tom Crawford To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 9:36 AM Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance >SRMAKISH@aol.com wrote: >> >> One was a 78mm scat, the other 2 were stock 2 liter cranks. The last one had >> steve's forcr one hub in it. It seemed to be ok when I sold the engine. I have >> not heard from the kr builder I sold it too, so I don't know how it held up. > >Steve, > >From your post it sounds like the first crank to break was a stroker. >What sort of prop hub did it have? >It sounds like the second to break was a stock crank without a F1 hub. >Correct? >It sounds like the stock crank with the F1 hub never broke. Is this what >you are saying? > >There are people on this net who are trying to make engine decisions, >and need accurate information from people like you who have been there >and done that. > >Thanks for your help. > >Tom Crawford >tomc@afn.org >Gainesville, FL >N262TC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:12:05 -0800 From: "Joa" Subject: KR: Re: T4 Cranks was (Mark Stephens High Performance) I called SCAT and found they sell a solid Type 4 forged 4340 crank *without* the welded counterweights or journals (build into the forging) for $1400 (they make this in house.) They don't have any 78mm cranks left and won't be making any more for another 4 months. Mark Stephen's told me that SCAT is the only company that makes this beefy of crank. They are checking right now to see how SCAT's 80 and 82 mm cranks work with their pistons and heads. If they work then MS would be willing to build the engine with the SCAT crank for around $4K I'm guessing. They use Force1 hubs and bearings too so you'd have a pretty bomber engine IMHO. Joa - -----Original Message----- From: Tom Kilgore To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 9:37 AM Subject: KR: T4 Cranks was (Mark Stephens High Performance) > >-----Original Message----- >From: Micheal Mims >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 8:55 AM >Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance > > >>William Thelen wrote: >>> >>> I see in HOT VW Magazine the SCAT ad has 2 types of forged cranks listed. >>> Priced from ~$600 to ~$750 I can't find a $1500.00 crank listed from >them. >>> Is the higher price you are quoting because of the deep drilling? Or is >the >>> higher priced crank re-sold via someone else? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Bill Thelen >>> >> >>Are you looking at the SCAT crank for type 1s or type 4s? I havent >>looked into this in over 2 years so maybe the prices have changed. The >>price you quoted must be for a type one though. Mark knows more about >>this so maybe he will pipe up? >> >>-- >>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >>Micheal Mims >>SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now >>mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >>http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >>Irvine Ca >>Fax 949.856.9417 >>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> > >I think the crank that Steve Bennet was selling for the T4 was custom made >by Scat for GPASC which would account for the higher $$$$. If you use any >other T4 crank I would suggest that you use a flywheel end drive system like >the one Steve is now testing. > >Tom Kilgore >Las Vegas, NV >lvav8r@vegas.infi.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/1444/page1.htm > __I__ >_______( X )________ > o/ \o > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:23:33 -0500 From: "R.W. Moore" Subject: Re: KR: Anodizing Contact Wayne Oostman @ 706-886-1396. He workes for Toccoa Metal Finishers. He may help you. R. W. Moore N115RM - ----Original Message----- From: Adrian Carter To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 1:06 AM Subject: Re: KR: Anodizing >Ed Janssen wrote: >> >> Anyone out there in KR land have some info on getting started in doing >> aluminum anodizing - for aircraft parts.? Could use a suggestion from a >> book or two. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Ed Janssen > >Hello Ed and KRnetters, >This is relatively simple procedure. Main thing is to make sure you acid >etch well. You can get this acid at the same place usually as the >anodizing liquid. Procedure is to etch anywhere from five to fifteen >mins by just painting the acid onto the piece and then wash off with >water, do a good job here you want to get rid of all the acid. After you >do a few pieces you will know how well the etch is. Then let dry, I used >a heat gun, make for a faster job then air dry. Then you can paint or >spray on the anondine and let dry. I still have pieces that I did 15 >years ago. There are many other ways I'm sure but this is simple. >Good luck! >-- >Adrian VE6AFY >Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca >http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:02:47 -0800 From: david.pearson@ucdmc.ucdavis.edu (David Pearson) Subject: Re: KR: Re: KR2S info I want to thank everyone for the information about the KR2S. Regards David Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:40:54 -0600 From: "Tom Cummings" Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance I am new to the group and have been reading the posts for about a week.. I was curious if anyone could tell us the type of propellers that were being used when experiencing these broken crankshafts? Tom Cummings tomlc@gs.verio.net - ---------- > From: WARRON GRAY > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance > Date: Friday, October 23, 1998 8:30 AM > > Tom ,this is nosey Warron here again. If steve was happy with any of the vw > 's ,he woudn't have put in the soob. I know that the chatter will start > again but after 3 cranks Steve got tired of breaking them. as for my > decision all i could see was that four of my friends broke cranks that is > why i went to soob, plus faa accident reports showed too many breaking . I > flew a O-200 and blew a head off of a 300 hour reman. i figure if something > is gonna break i may as well lead new paths. One thing about steve as far as > doing things right, Steve is the most meticulous person i have ever met ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:45:06 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance Tom Cummings wrote: > was curious if anyone could tell us the type of propellers that were being > used when experiencing these broken crankshafts? > Tom Cummings > Not sure if it matters but both the 1835s that lost the end of the crank were running wood props. One was a Ed Sterba and the other Was a Props Inc. I think. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:07:22 -0700 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: Anodizing/Alodining I alodine treated almost all of the aluminum parts on my KR. Alodine treatment is a good prep for paint as well and a very nice anti-corrosive for aluminum. It's available at most any autoparts store. Part A is a mild phosphoric acid wash for cleaning away the aluminum oxide. Part B is the conversion coating that gives the aluminum a gold tint. It is the enviro-nasty stuff. It contains Chromic Acid, FerriCyanide salts and Flourides. The Dupont part numbers are 225 S for part A and 226 S for part B. They are sold as an Aluminum Prefinishing System. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 02:38:47 EST HAshraf@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 98-10-28 08:31:03 EST, you write: > ><< Its not anything you want to do at home. Too many chemicals acids >etc. > Find a local vendor in the Thomas register or yellow pages and ask >them > if they will throw your parts with one of there other jobs >> > >There is a process called alodining that you can probably do in a >shop. It >does use phospohoric acid which need to be disposed off properly as it >may >damage sewer systems. Or it may be illegal to dispose in the sewer >system. I >have used it when I was in school for space hardware as a substitute >for >anodizing. I think AS&S sells the required chemicals. All you need is >a metal >cleaner and the alodining solution. > >Haris > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:04:33 -0600 From: "Tom Cummings" Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance Okay, thank you, Micheal, I was curious specifically if the props were composite, one piece wood, real heavy, etc, but you answered that. Thanks Tom - ---------- > From: Micheal Mims > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance > Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 6:45 PM > > > > Tom Cummings wrote: > > > was curious if anyone could tell us the type of propellers that were being > > used when experiencing these broken crankshafts? > > Tom Cummings > > > > Not sure if it matters but both the 1835s that lost the end of the crank were > running wood props. One was a Ed Sterba and the other Was a Props Inc. I > think. > > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Irvine Ca > Fax 949.856.9417 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:40:17 EST From: AeroManx@aol.com Subject: KR: Re: KR High Performance Has anyone ever used a 3 or 4 blade prop on a KR? Any Ideas on how that would affect the performance either positively or negatively for this plane? Steve Majercik ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:30:40 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: KR: test do not read This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------737BB3311FC30D63B1A04F36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry guys setting up new email client. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - --------------737BB3311FC30D63B1A04F36 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="mikemims.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Mike Mims Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mikemims.vcf" begin:vcard n:Mims;Micheal tel;fax:949-856-9417 tel;home:949-856-1560 tel;work:949-863-1122 x-mozilla-html:TRUE org:Rosemount Analytical Uniloc;IS adr:;;;Irvine;CA;; version:2.1 email;internet:mikemims@pacbell.net title:LAN Administrator fn:Mike end:vcard - --------------737BB3311FC30D63B1A04F36-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:19:45 -0400 From: "WARRON GRAY" Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance Tom , Warron again. i believe it was a 52x 60 warneke. i amm doing my testing with that prop and it uses the v w pattern , borrowed it from steve Makish. Warron - -----Original Message----- From: Tom Cummings To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 7:45 PM Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance >I am new to the group and have been reading the posts for about a week.. I >was curious if anyone could tell us the type of propellers that were being >used when experiencing these broken crankshafts? >Tom Cummings >tomlc@gs.verio.net > >---------- >> From: WARRON GRAY >> To: krnet-l@teleport.com >> Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance >> Date: Friday, October 23, 1998 8:30 AM >> >> Tom ,this is nosey Warron here again. If steve was happy with any of the >vw >> 's ,he woudn't have put in the soob. I know that the chatter will start >> again but after 3 cranks Steve got tired of breaking them. as for my >> decision all i could see was that four of my friends broke cranks that is >> why i went to soob, plus faa accident reports showed too many breaking . >I >> flew a O-200 and blew a head off of a 300 hour reman. i figure if >something >> is gonna break i may as well lead new paths. One thing about steve as far >as >> doing things right, Steve is the most meticulous person i have ever met ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 01:41:33 EST From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: KR: Anodize vs. Alodine I've been following this thread, and I think there is some confusion between what these two different processes are. Anodizing is an electrolytic process that you probably can't do economically or safely at home. Alodine, on the other hand, is a simple treatment that you CAN do at home. This is the process most folks have been describing, where you first etch the parts to clean them and then apply the alodine. This treatment is typically used as a corrosion inhibitor and to prepare aluminum for painting. It's what I used, and it works great. All you have to do is brush/spray the acid on the parts, allow it to "work" for a few minutes, and then rinse the parts with clear water. Repeat the same process with the alodine, and you're done. As has been mentioned already, you can get the etching acid and alodine from Wick's or AS&S. Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:54:01 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: KR: Mags and stuff This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------F37912327344DDA5D38D060C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well I picked up all my new mag parts today and spent the evening putting the mags back together. It was kinda fun and very easy as long as you have the instructions. There sure isnt much in side those things to go wrong. Anyway I got them together and timed (internally) so they are ready to go back on the engine. Kinda fun flipping the gear over and watching the bright blue spark. Don't believe anyone who tells you mags don't produce good spark! Makes me want to carry one around just in-case I hear someone mention bad spark so I can hold it against their butt and flip it over! :o) Yes I shocked myself at least twice tonight. Everybody laugh because I did and so did my wife. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - --------------F37912327344DDA5D38D060C Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="mikemims.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Mike Mims Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mikemims.vcf" begin:vcard n:Mims;Micheal tel;fax:949-856-9417 tel;home:949-856-1560 tel;work:949-863-1122 x-mozilla-html:TRUE org:Rosemount Analytical Uniloc;IS adr:;;;Irvine;CA;; version:2.1 email;internet:mikemims@pacbell.net title:LAN Administrator fn:Mike end:vcard - --------------F37912327344DDA5D38D060C-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:15:09 +0100 From: "Stefan den Boer" Subject: Re: KR: Anodizing/Alodining There is also a primer you can spray on. This primer is doing the same as alodine. And it is the purfect base for the next layer off paint. If you want I can check this out for you.Allodine is really dangeres. Bad writing Dutch guy ---------- > Van: Jeffrey E Scott > Aan: krnet-l@teleport.com > Onderwerp: Re: KR: Anodizing/Alodining > Datum: vrijdag 30 oktober 1998 3:07 > > I alodine treated almost all of the aluminum parts on my KR. Alodine > treatment is a good prep for paint as well and a very nice anti-corrosive > for aluminum. It's available at most any autoparts store. Part A is a > mild phosphoric acid wash for cleaning away the aluminum oxide. Part B > is the conversion coating that gives the aluminum a gold tint. It is the > enviro-nasty stuff. It contains Chromic Acid, FerriCyanide salts and > Flourides. > > The Dupont part numbers are 225 S for part A and 226 S for part B. They > are sold as an Aluminum Prefinishing System. > > > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com > See N1213W construction and first flight at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html > http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > > On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 02:38:47 EST HAshraf@aol.com writes: > >In a message dated 98-10-28 08:31:03 EST, you write: > > > ><< Its not anything you want to do at home. Too many chemicals acids > >etc. > > Find a local vendor in the Thomas register or yellow pages and ask > >them > > if they will throw your parts with one of there other jobs >> > > > >There is a process called alodining that you can probably do in a > >shop. It > >does use phospohoric acid which need to be disposed off properly as it > >may > >damage sewer systems. Or it may be illegal to dispose in the sewer > >system. I > >have used it when I was in school for space hardware as a substitute > >for > >anodizing. I think AS&S sells the required chemicals. All you need is > >a metal > >cleaner and the alodining solution. > > > >Haris > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 02:36:48 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re: 133RM Dows Roy Marsh's plane N133RM have the 2S canopy on it? Richard E. Parker Jaffrey, NH theparkers@monad.net richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 02:53:46 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: The SP myth Well if Mike hadnt come up with the "SP" designation I think I would have had to use it. I just realized that every time since February that I've said to my wife that I'm going into the garage to work on my plane without bringing my 18 month old son, my wife has mumbled under her breath "Stupid Plane" Fortunately when I do bring out my son so that she can get some time to herself she smiles. Back to business, FYI The AOPA web site has a classified section that I've seen some engines and parts listed for sale that some of you may be interested in. www.aopa.org (have to be a member) Also I'm looking for brake calipers for Cleveland 6.00 x 6 wheels if anyone has or knows where to acquire some. check with your local mechanic. Richard E. Parker Jaffrey, NH theparkers@monad.net richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:57:44 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Mags and stuff-joke In a message dated 98-10-30 03:13:24 EST, you write: << Yes I shocked myself at least twice tonight. Everybody laugh because I did and so did my wife. >> Yea, so did I, Thumb on the P lead watching the spark then ................... WHAM followed shortly by DAM#$@#$. Dana ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:50:55 -0600 From: "Tom Cummings" Subject: Re: KR: Anodizing/Alodining Can one alodine steel parts? or just aluminum? Tom - ---------- > From: Stefan den Boer > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: Anodizing/Alodining > Date: Friday, October 30, 1998 3:15 AM > > There is also a primer you can spray on. This primer is doing the same as > alodine. And it is the purfect base for the next layer off paint. If you > want I can check this out for you.Allodine is really dangeres. > Bad writing Dutch guy ---------- > > Van: Jeffrey E Scott > > Aan: krnet-l@teleport.com > > Onderwerp: Re: KR: Anodizing/Alodining > > Datum: vrijdag 30 oktober 1998 3:07 > > > > I alodine treated almost all of the aluminum parts on my KR. Alodine > > treatment is a good prep for paint as well and a very nice anti-corrosive > > for aluminum. It's available at most any autoparts store. Part A is a > > mild phosphoric acid wash for cleaning away the aluminum oxide. Part B > > is the conversion coating that gives the aluminum a gold tint. It is the > > enviro-nasty stuff. It contains Chromic Acid, FerriCyanide salts and > > Flourides. > > > > The Dupont part numbers are 225 S for part A and 226 S for part B. They > > are sold as an Aluminum Prefinishing System. > > > > > > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > > mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com > > See N1213W construction and first flight at > > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html > > http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > > > > On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 02:38:47 EST HAshraf@aol.com writes: > > >In a message dated 98-10-28 08:31:03 EST, you write: > > > > > ><< Its not anything you want to do at home. Too many chemicals acids > > >etc. > > > Find a local vendor in the Thomas register or yellow pages and ask > > >them > > > if they will throw your parts with one of there other jobs >> > > > > > >There is a process called alodining that you can probably do in a > > >shop. It > > >does use phospohoric acid which need to be disposed off properly as it > > >may > > >damage sewer systems. Or it may be illegal to dispose in the sewer > > >system. I > > >have used it when I was in school for space hardware as a substitute > > >for > > >anodizing. I think AS&S sells the required chemicals. All you need is > > >a metal > > >cleaner and the alodining solution. > > > > > >Haris > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:43:19 EST From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Anodizing/Alodining In a message dated 10/30/98 8:57:09 AM, you wrote: <> I believe that alodine produces a chemical reaction with the aluminum which provides the corrosion resistance. Don't think you will get any benefit from use on steel. With steel I use 220 to scuff the surface, then use PreCleanO or any paint prep cleaner to clean the steel, then follow with primer and color coat. This will give you a strong barrier. If you are doing your wing attach fittings, you might consider an electro type coating for maximum durability. Steve Horn Horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:15:42 PST From: "Bill Shambrook" Subject: KR: Re: KR2S plans and KR Newsletters I have a set of KR2S plans and KR newsletters for sale. Asking price $190 obo. Bill Shambrook 4 Oxford Drive Lincolnshire, IL 60069 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:36:39 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Babysitting Project Richard Parker wrote: > > Well if Mike hadnt come up with the "SP" designation I think I would > have had to use it. > > I just realized that every time since February that I've said to my wife > that I'm going into the garage to work on my plane without bringing my > 18 month old son, my wife has mumbled under her breath "Stupid Plane" > > Fortunately when I do bring out my son so that she can get some time to > herself she smiles. > When I started my project in '88, my youngest daugter was 4 years old. She liked to hang out with dad in the Garage, and one major concern I had was about the noise of some of the power tools. Julie called it "the noisy". We worked out a system where if dad was going to make "the noisy" I would let her know, and she would go outside the garage so it wouldn't hurt her ears. Then when I was done she would come back in so she could watch dad. Most of the boat stage construction of my KR was done with this intense supervision. She had a doll with hair that went through some type of Alodine treatment, and insisted that I take a picture of her next to the spar lamination photo. I still have this photo of her standing next to the workbench with this crazy looking doll with my spars. On second thought, perhaps the doll was getting Mike Mimm's magneto treatment. If I recall, one of the toughest rules I had for her was to wear shoes, she always wanted to come out and walk around barefoot. We lived in Arizona at the time, and this was the major problem. I had to keep an eye on barefoot neighbor kids who came to visit the village crazy man who was building an airplane. They all knew it was really a boat but played along. I was afraid I was going to let one kid slip by one day barefoot, and have him cut his/her foot open on somthing. When I moved the project to the hangar, my oldest daughter had trouble sleeping for a short while, since she was used to dad working till about 10:00-12:00 and with the kids rooms above the garage the absence of my working at night was disturbing. I think some appropriate spruce scraps awould make good building blocks, but keep an eye out. At 18 months my kids were into everything and my garage was never toddler proof. -- Ross - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:04:44 -0600 From: "Tom Cummings" Subject: Re: KR: Anodizing/Alodining Thanks Steve, Tom C. - ---------- > From: Horn2004@aol.com > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: KR: Anodizing/Alodining > Date: Friday, October 30, 1998 9:43 AM > > > In a message dated 10/30/98 8:57:09 AM, you wrote: > > < > Tom>> > > I believe that alodine produces a chemical reaction with the aluminum which > provides the corrosion resistance. Don't think you will get any benefit from > use on steel. With steel I use 220 to scuff the surface, then use PreCleanO or > any paint prep cleaner to clean the steel, then follow with primer and color > coat. This will give you a strong barrier. If you are doing your wing attach > fittings, you might consider an electro type coating for maximum durability. > > Steve Horn > Horn2004@aol.com > Dallas, TX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:39:59 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: KR-Net Shirts Oscar, Any updates on the shirts Sorry guys (and gals?) for the on net question but I cant remember his e-mail address. Rich Parker ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:51:35 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: KR: Gear Stance Could someone with the Dan Diehl gear measure the distance between the mains (center of tire to center of tire)and let me know what it is? Thanks. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:20:33 -0800 From: g hamilton Subject: KR: RE: Gear Stance - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE043A.850898E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am also interested in the distance forward from the front face of the = spar to the axle, and/or any of the other many dimensions the plans seem = to leave out. 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